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MarkE

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Re: Is the motor and generator atop the Rosch's KPP actually a QMoGen?
« Reply #195 on: April 30, 2015, 08:21:54 AM »
No,im talking about thermite residue found blocks away in the settled dust. The engine on the ground below the WTC was the wrong engine for the planes that supposedly hit the WTC. Science has proved beyound doubt that the planes impact could not have brought down those buildings-period. The black smoke shows the fires were starved for oxygen,and so the temperatures from those fires wouldt be any higher than it's maximum temperature that 1800*F. Steel needs around 2500*F to melt. So why so much melted steel found in the basements of the building's?

You may think this video is funny,but it is the truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLXyB5GtfBU
Are you familiar with the terms:  tensile strength, and yield strength?  Do you think that steel suddenly loses its strength at its melting temperature?  Did you read the NIST report?

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #196 on: April 30, 2015, 08:23:17 AM »
@ Tinman

Regarding Yildiz.

Murphy's law works well in demos. I was there when his magnet motor had problems. I could hear the pieces. I saw him before after trying to repair it. I can understand why he went cautious after that. This is his baby.

I'm generous, not an ogre. It's innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.

Do unto others as you would have others do to you. That's a good motto. I give people a lot of room to prove themselves.

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Done over here for a while
« Reply #197 on: April 30, 2015, 08:28:27 AM »
I've spent way too much time over here bantering with you all. I need to get to work on things more productive. Sorry if I've been too rough. I tend to pound pretty hard on skeptics, in pushback from how relentless they are in their rants.

I so look forward to the day when we are so vindicated and they get to walk off with their tails between their legs.

MarkE

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #198 on: April 30, 2015, 08:31:43 AM »
@ Tinman

Regarding Yildiz.

Murphy's law works well in demos. I was there when his magnet motor had problems. I could hear the pieces. I saw him before after trying to repair it. I can understand why he went cautious after that. This is his baby.

I'm generous, not an ogre. It's innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.

Do unto others as you would have others do to you. That's a good motto. I give people a lot of room to prove themselves.
Ignore the electrical wires comeing out fo the "all magnet motor".  That farce was probably close to if not Yildiz's last hurrah.  The demonstration for Chava like demonstrations for other parties with checkbook in hand did not happen.  It has been two years since the show in Geneva and almost two years since he reneged on Chava. 

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« Reply #199 on: April 30, 2015, 08:32:37 AM »
I've spent way too much time over here bantering with you all. I need to get to work on things more productive. Sorry if I've been too rough. I tend to pound pretty hard on skeptics, in pushback from how relentless they are in their rants.

I so look forward to the day when we are so vindicated and they get to walk off with their tails between their legs.
The available evidence suggests that such a day will never come.

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Re: Is the motor and generator atop the Rosch's KPP actually a QMoGen?
« Reply #200 on: April 30, 2015, 08:55:29 AM »
Are you familiar with the terms:  tensile strength, and yield strength?  Do you think that steel suddenly loses its strength at its melting temperature?  Did you read the NIST report?
Yes,i am quite familiar with tensile and yield strengths,but that is not what i asked. How is it that the steel melted when the temperatures just didnt get anywhere near the temperatures needed to melt the steel columns. Demolition experts also confirmed that building 7 was a controlled demolition. The fire could have guttered that building,and the framework would have still been standing.

See pic below. Now that is what you call a hot fire-->but even so,even the mild steel scafolding is still standing lol,yet the buildings designed to withstand plane strikes come tumbling down-->aint that a hoot,and the building that never got hit by anything other than some debris,managed to fall all in one hit,and do so that resembled a controlled demolition in every way lol.. Oh,and the pilot that couldnt even fly a single engine cessna managed to overcome the ground effect,and fly a 757 just above the ground to crash it into the pentagon-->undetected and unchallenged by one of the worlds most heavily guarded air spaces lol. They even interviewed his flight instructor,who said Quote: the lad couldnt even perform a solo flight in a single engine cessna-->but it seems a 757 was a piece of cake lol.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #201 on: April 30, 2015, 09:21:52 AM »

PVC has higher density than I assumed... I grabbed some half-inch PVC and was playing with it... but having air in it and capped and it almost sank on its own :(


So... accounting for pipe wall thickness and applying the 1.3-1.45 density of PVC 0.5" and result is less output than input....


half to go up to at least .75... but will probably 1+ is better so the air displacment exceeds the weight of pvc displacment




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Re: Is the motor and generator atop the Rosch's KPP actually a QMoGen?
« Reply #202 on: April 30, 2015, 09:45:31 AM »
Yes,i am quite familiar with tensile and yield strengths,but that is not what i asked. How is it that the steel melted when the temperatures just didnt get anywhere near the temperatures needed to melt the steel columns. Demolition experts also confirmed that building 7 was a controlled demolition. The fire could have guttered that building,and the framework would have still been standing.
Apparently you are not despite your claims or you would understand that structural steel loses 90% of its strength at temperatures of ordinary plastic and wood fires.  Fireproofing applied to structural steel slows down heat penetration.  Those fires burned all day. Have you read the NIST report?
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See pic below. Now that is what you call a hot fire-->but even so,even the mild steel scafolding is still standing lol,yet the buildings designed to withstand plane strikes come tumbling down-->aint that a hoot,and the building that never got hit by anything other than some debris,managed to fall all in one hit,and do so that resembled a controlled demolition in every way lol..
The LOL joke is on you and all the conspiracy theorists who substitute what they think is "common sense" for science.  It is willful ignorance on parade.
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Oh,and the pilot that couldnt even fly a single engine cessna managed to overcome the ground effect,and fly a 757 just above the ground to crash it into the pentagon-->undetected and unchallenged by one of the worlds most heavily guarded air spaces lol. They even interviewed his flight instructor,who said Quote: the lad couldnt even perform a solo flight in a single engine cessna-->but it seems a 757 was a piece of cake lol.
Do you fly?  Do you understand that ground effect helps keep the plane off the ground?

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #203 on: April 30, 2015, 12:12:33 PM »
Well, Gaia explained now here:
http://gaia-energy.org/liveticker-aukw-besichtigungen-29-04-2015/#comment-337
(you can see this comment only, if you are logged into the Gaia Site...)

what IP-Cameras they used.
It were:

TRENDNET TV-IP310PI with Infrared-LEDs und Power over Ethernet Connections.


Here are the spec sheets:

http://www.trendnet.com/langge/products/proddetail.asp?prod=190_TV-IP310PI

http://www.trendnet.com/langge/products/proddetail.asp?prod=190_TV-IP310PI#tabs-solution02


Due to that they record at 30 frames/sec you can also see the flickering as the difference
frequency 20Hz as interference to the 50 Hz used in Germany.

These cameras toggle to Infrared Mode, if the light went out, so that is why they put on their
Infrared LEDs which illuminated the room, which I thought was an emergency hall light...
but it was only these Infrared LEDs of the cameras.

So as they are powered By Power Over Ethernet, we still are not sure, if there really
was a power outage in the hall, so the cameras still operated from the hall power supply
or if the cameras hang over Ethernet on a different power supply via the router then...


Anyway, here are now the 2 new Videos from Gaia.

http://gaia-energy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/150410-gaia-rosch-aukw-generator-closeup-shortvideo-copyright-ssb.mp4
http://gaia-energy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/150429-gaia-rosch-aukw-generator-loadtest-copyright-ssb.mp4


Now it is hard to explain, how they do the frequency change on the load change, if they would have faked
it with a hidden power cable...

As the frequency is very stable if this would be powered by a hidden cable by the grid, this
would be an indication that they really have a generator sitting there acting to a load change with
a frequency change...

So if they would have faked this somehow, they would have needed to manipulate the frequency counter
somehow, so that it reads different frequencies, when the load on the "motor(generator)" is changed...

Hmm, either they use a 3 Phase Frequencychanger unit, which would be really elaborate expensive
or something simpler, like a hacked or modded frequency meter....

Hmm, or I am totally wrong and it really works and they might have really there an OU generator
which does not need much more torque, if more loads are applied..but only changes slightly in output frequenvy...

I am still puzzled a bit now and scratching my head...(from the standpoint of the skeptic)

P.S: Also there is now a new interview from STerling Allan with Roberto Reuter and Ronny Korsberg here:

http://pesn.com/2015/04/30/9602615_Roberto-Reuter-GAIA-CEO_interview/

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #204 on: April 30, 2015, 12:32:45 PM »
Okay, Gaia has just posted a new article that says:

http://gaia-energy.org/liveticker-aukw-besichtigungen-halbzeitbilanz/

Heute am 5. Tag der Livebesichigungen in Spich wollen wir uns ganz herzlich bei Euch bedanken.
DAS ERSTE MEGAWATT IST ÜBERSCHRITTEN ….
Auch die stetige Wiederholung von Argumentationen, weshalb es nicht funktionieren soll,
können die Wahrheit nicht verhindern … unser AuKW läuft stabil und zuverlässig!


 Danke an Alle, die dieses Projekt unterstützen. Danke an Jeden, der bald sein eigenes AuKW errichtet und an Jeden,
der uns sein Vertrauen noch schenken möchte. Wir danken auch den süßen und bitteren Kommentatoren –
auch Ihr habt zur Wahrnehmung dieser großartigen Technologie und deren Weiterentwicklung beigetragen.
 Wir sind eine große Gemeinschaft von Energiepionieren und gemeinsam schreiben wir große Geschichte.
Ohne die zahlreichen Kommentare, Meinungsbekundungen und kritische Hinterfragungen wären
wir vielleciht nicht da, wo wir sind – nach dem erstem Megawatt eigenen AuKW Strom.

That means:
Today is the 5th day of the Live Demo in Spich and we want to thanks you all.
The first produced MegaWatt of power is surpassed... and the contineous argumentation, why it should not work,
can not prevent the truth. our AuKW is running stable and reliable.



Thanks to all who supported this project.
Thanks to those who will soon have their own AuKW at their homes and to all, who still want to trust us and still want to order.
We also thank for all the sweet and bitter comments, also you have contributed to the spreading of this great technology
and their further development. We are a big community of energy pioneers and together we write new history.
Without the multiple comments, opinions and critical thinkings we would not be there where we are now
at the surpassing of the first own produced MegaWatt of power from our own AuKW.


MarkE

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #205 on: April 30, 2015, 12:56:35 PM »
What connects to meters does not have to connect to loads.  So it is pretty easy to have a driven generator go to the meters and frequency will go up and down with the motor speed that drives it.

There is no need to fret about whether what they have is real or not:  Buoyancy is not an energy source.  That is an immediate and full-stop on their claims that they have a buoyancy driven generator.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #206 on: April 30, 2015, 12:58:04 PM »
Okay, Gaia has just posted a new article that says:

http://gaia-energy.org/liveticker-aukw-besichtigungen-halbzeitbilanz/

Heute am 5. Tag der Livebesichigungen in Spich wollen wir uns ganz herzlich bei Euch bedanken.
DAS ERSTE MEGAWATT IST ÜBERSCHRITTEN ….
Auch die stetige Wiederholung von Argumentationen, weshalb es nicht funktionieren soll,
können die Wahrheit nicht verhindern … unser AuKW läuft stabil und zuverlässig!


 Danke an Alle, die dieses Projekt unterstützen. Danke an Jeden, der bald sein eigenes AuKW errichtet und an Jeden,
der uns sein Vertrauen noch schenken möchte. Wir danken auch den süßen und bitteren Kommentatoren –
auch Ihr habt zur Wahrnehmung dieser großartigen Technologie und deren Weiterentwicklung beigetragen.
 Wir sind eine große Gemeinschaft von Energiepionieren und gemeinsam schreiben wir große Geschichte.
Ohne die zahlreichen Kommentare, Meinungsbekundungen und kritische Hinterfragungen wären
wir vielleciht nicht da, wo wir sind – nach dem erstem Megawatt eigenen AuKW Strom.

That means:
Today is the 5th day of the Live Demo in Spich and we want to thanks you all.
The first produced MegaWatt of power is surpassed... and the contineous argumentation, why it should not work,
can not prevent the truth. our AuKW is running stable and reliable.



Thanks to all who supported this project.
Thanks to those who will soon have their own AuKW at their homes and to all, who still want to trust us and still want to order.
We also thank for all the sweet and bitter comments, also you have contributed to the spreading of this great technology
and their further development. We are a big community of energy pioneers and together we write new history.
Without the multiple comments, opinions and critical thinkings we would not be there where we are now
at the surpassing of the first own produced MegaWatt of power from our own AuKW.

<img src="http://gaia-energy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/150430-Zaehlerstand-gaia-rosch-aukw-752x211.jpg" />
5kW * 24h * 5 days would be 600kWh not 1MWh.

tinman

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Re: Is the motor and generator atop the Rosch's KPP actually a QMoGen?
« Reply #207 on: April 30, 2015, 01:13:54 PM »
   

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Apparently you are not despite your claims or you would understand that structural steel loses 90% of its strength at temperatures of ordinary plastic and wood fires.

Absolute rubbish. My own home gas BBQ can run a blue/white hot flame all day right under the cook plate(that is only 4mm thick mind you),and that plate will still maintain 90% of it's strength. I also think you might like to have a look at some brake rotors glowing red hot,and still have enough strength to stop a race car-plain old cast iron. Then there is the old steam engine boilers--how hot do you think they get,and still,the boiler tubes can withstand extream pressures-even though they are glowing red/white hot. And no,boiler tubes are not some fancy steel,they are mild steel with thicker walls. You can cut these tubes with a hacksaw-as i have done many times.-! And i repeat-->the heat generated by the fires in the towers was not hot enough to melt even mild steel,and that is fact.
Im sorry Mark,but your smokey oxygen starved fires in the towers was no where near hot enough to weaken the giant sized columns enough to cause a building designed to withstand fire,plane strikes,and cyclones to collaps.__> now,about those columns that were melted?.

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Fireproofing applied to structural steel slows down heat penetration.  Those fires burned all day.


And so what if they burned all day. Light a candle and place it under a half inch steel rod !all day if you like!,and the steel rod wouldnt even glow red. This is your comparison on the scale we are looking at here.

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Have you read the NIST report?

Yes i have-and what a joke. Both FEMA's and the NIST reports failed to include the core columns dimentions. The NIST report you speak of said there were only 4 core columns on each core corner that had the larger dimention core's,and that is a load of crap.
These core columns had dimentions of 16" x 36",and 22" x 52"-your little fire isnt going to weaken them by 90%. The 9/11 commission report even denied there existance,and said they were hollow steel shafts lol.

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The LOL joke is on you and all the conspiracy theorists who substitute what they think is "common sense" for science.

Your common sense science go's against every other scientific,structual,and just plain impossible outcomes that all independant(not under the governments controll)reports show.These were all done by people that live that industry every day-real experts in there field,and not some one under government influence.

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It is willful ignorance on parade.Do you fly?  Do you understand that ground effect helps keep the plane off the ground?

No,i dont fly-->do you have a degree in physics?
 I do know what is, and how the ground effect work's,and if you knew what the effects of it are,then you would know it takes a skilled pilot to deal with it when it come's. When you come in to land a plane,you have to compensate for the ground effect. It wants to lift you back up,when you want to go down. Pilots use the ground effect to gain takeoff speed when running down the runway. They use the ground effect to lift the plane slightly of the tarmac,and when liftoff speed is gained,they lift off. When you come into land,the ground effect will want to lift the plane back up,so pilots compensate for this. Here we have a pilot that hadnt even finished his cessna licence,and your telling me that he could compensate for the ground effect in a 747 lol-->who is the joke on?.This so called pilot would have come up against the ground effect,and not know WTF to do. If he was the pilot,then that plane would have shot right over the top of the pentagon.

Here is an actual quote from the 9/11 commission report.
Quote: Hani Hanjour's pilot application was rejected, as he is a "terrible pilot,"
LOL-This is the same bloke that apparently piloted flight 77(a boeing 757),managed a 330* spiral dive,overcome and compensated for the ground effect,and hit the pentagon dead on target lol-(which just happened to be the very same section of the pentagon where they were trying to find all those billions of dollars that the armed forces couldnt account for)These are the words of the guys you believe,the guys that wrote the bloody report lol. You can read this for your self-the report is there for all to read.

Here is another good one to read in the report.
The terrorists decided not to target  a nuclear power plant,because(get this) the air space around it would be restricted LOL,so they decided to go for the pentagon insted ::) This is in one of your !so called! reports Mark-along with so much more comedy.

You should take your own advice Mark,and go read the !official! government report's-->it's bloody clasic ;D

You could come join the discussion at OUR so as we dont fill this thread with unrelated stuff (link below),but im guessing that you wont take on an actual physics professor-->the very one that found the traces of thermite at the twin towers site.
Just one of the many guys that actually knows what he is talking about-->with reserch and results to back it up.

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=1195.0

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #208 on: April 30, 2015, 01:18:22 PM »
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How is it that the steel melted when the temperatures just didnt get anywhere near the temperatures needed to melt the steel columns.

I am pretty sure the answer to that is very simple.  The temperatures did get high enough to compromise the steel columns.   In the lay press you read something like, "paper burns at a lower temperature than steel melts."  That is simply dumb.  If you are burning fuel in an enclosed space, then you are creating a flow of heat power.  If the flow of heat power cannot escape, then the temperature must increase.

You have a one-volt voltage source connected to a discharged capacitor.  What happens?  The answer is that the capacitor charges to one volt.

You have a one-amp current source connected to a discharged capacitor.  What happens?  The answer is that the voltage on the capacitor starts at zero volts and increases linearly forever.  Burning paper is modeled as a current source that produces a continuous flow of heat power.  It's not a voltage source.

The idea that the metal would not get compromised or melt is just one example of the silliness and insanity surrounding this tragedy.

Here is a reality check:  There is video that we have all seen with molten metal pouring out of the towers.  The firemen said there were pools of molten metal in the basement.  Yet at the same time you have people saying that the fires could not compromise the steel colums or melt metal.  Can't you see how crazy that is?

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #209 on: April 30, 2015, 01:56:04 PM »
I'm generous, not an ogre. It's innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.
Do unto others as you would have others do to you. That's a good motto. I give people a lot of room to prove themselves.
So is this your approach to the victims of you sexual inappropriate behavior Sterling to minors. I have many emails from people where you scream at people, make demands, throw tantrums and act like a real bully boy. I think it is in everyone's interest you start seeking professional help and take your meds.


Speaking of generosity I challenge you to donate $1000 (to match mine)to help the people in Nepal. Here is the link


http://www.gofundme.com/tab3b3sc


Kind Regards
Mark