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tinman

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #165 on: April 30, 2015, 03:27:34 AM »
Stefan:


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since none of his Qmogens appear to be doing the job.

Aint that the truth.
In fact,none of the devices Sterling has presented as free energy device has ever paned out-->unless he has one in there with solar pannels some where ::)

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #166 on: April 30, 2015, 03:58:23 AM »
Often very true,, but sometimes it has something.

Someone wondered if we could,, then those that can, did.

Jules thought that it could be done,, somehow,,, and then those that can, did.

Science in a way is a closed system,, all hung  up on what is known and how things are done and used,, where as someone that does not have those things already in place may just make a "stupid" suggestion that in the end is not so silly, or stupid or unreasonable,, but by itself is useless.  Now give that to one of those who can,, and they will take it to the next step and make it useful.

If I had something that showed something new,, I myself could only take that so far,, but give it to some in this group that are talented,, then watch the stuff hit the fan :)
The imagined possibility is exactly that:  Imagined.  The fantasy does not make the reality.  It sometimes inspires people to do the work to make the reality, when such a thing is possible.

Your concept of science is at best poor and at worst completely wrong.  Science seeks to learn what is real through employment of the scientific method:  A reason and evidence based methodology.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #167 on: April 30, 2015, 04:00:18 AM »
In the past couple of week's,i have found this to be very true.

This is exactly what i did. I had two tanks-1 x 10ltr volume and 1 x 20ltr volume. The 10ltr tank was tank A. This was the tank that stored the energy in the form of compressed gas. Tank B was the receiver. When the venturi was added to the system,this became what you call C.

Now,a series of 5 test were carried out,where the gas in tank A was aloud to flow into tank B via way of a ball valve. MarkE done the calculations,and we were getting an efficiency of 98% in the transfer when the gas temperature was aloud to settle to ambiant temperature. At this time,all was good. Then i fitted the venturi between tanks A and B,so as external gas(ambiant air) was drawn into tank B when the ball valve was opened between tank's A&B. I then gave MarkE the results in way of pressure and temperature when the gas was once again aloud to settle to ambiant temperature-->both test carried out in identical circumstances and conditions,only one could draw in gas from the enviroment. I got back--this makes no sense,as the result was 110%.

From there on in,it just went down hill from there. I continued to implement the ram into the system,and once again obtained the results over 5 test runs. As in the last two test,the results were averaged out over the 5 test runs. I once again gave the figures to MarkE to calculate. From there on in,everything went pear shaped. I was told that no results would be given until i disclose the units working as a whole. I was told they were nonsense figures,and mean nothing until i disclose the system as a whole,and exactly how it work's. This can be read by all those that are interested in the open systems thread.

I had some one else crunch the number's,and we ended up with around 133% efficiency.
We now see comments like-wait until you try to do useful work with your stored energy :o-->What kind of an idiotic comment is that?. I think we can be quite confident that a 30ltr volume of gas at a pressure of 18psi over the two tank's is going to do more work that a 30ltr volume of gas at a pressure of 12psi over the two tanks-->when both temperatures are the same.

It is funny to see how the guru's bail out when things dont make sense to them,and when things start looking better than they should,they demand to see the system as a whole before helping out any further.

The truth is that-the energy stored in tank A was able to create a situation where it could draw energy in from the enviroment without loosing any energy itself. I dont know why the guru's find it so hard to understand that when you allow gas from the enviroment to flow into the tank's,and no gas can escape the tank's,that the end result wont be a higher gas mass amount in the two tanks when the cycle has finished.

MarkE was confused as to why i would use the small tank as the energy storage tank,and not the large one,as i would loose less energy during the transfer if i used the large tank as tank A,and the small tank(the receiver)as tank B. Well im sure there are those that will understand now as to why i did it that way,and the results speak for them self.

I think some guru's have a diode like mind,where there physics(or known physics)may leave,but if results dont agree with there physics,then that cannot enter-and everything comes to a holt for them-->as it did in my case.

So there you go AC,we started with 100% energy in tank A,and when the cycle was complete,we ended up with 133% of stored energy in tanks A&B. The extra 33% came from the enviroment,and that is exactly where it will be returned when put to work. No laws broken here,as when the energy stored in the tanks is returned to the enviroment,energy has been conserved.
It is disheartening to see you implode this way.  Complete your project.  Maybe then you will learn.  God knows you have your eyes wide shut right now.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #168 on: April 30, 2015, 04:22:18 AM »
Safety lighting is triggered by power failures in Germany , the USA and even here in the Philippines.

I sent the following email to Roberto just now (they're asleep presently):

Dansie said: "Safety lighting is triggered by power failures in Germany , the USA and even here in the Philippines. "   The safety lighting was on during the said time of the AuKW outage.   This is a pretty good point that needs a better explanation than what we've received so far.

/ END OF EMAIL

I just posted the following story:

   
Featured: Buoyancy > Rosch > GAIA > Demo >
 Interview with GAIA CEO, Roberto Reuter - Highlights: AuKW is a kinetic power plant; two new videos showing 1) close-up of generator on top of 5 kW tube and 2) changing load by unplugging heater; yesterday's outage, infrared camera; distance between kW-h meters is ~50 M; wall fasteners. (PESN; April 30, 2015)

In there, he explained why there was a lag between the time of forgetting to plug the heaters back in and the generator shutting off.


GENERAL COMMENT REGARDING PERCEPTION:

I wrote the following to someone else by email:

[/color][/color]It's amazing how one's world view can taint your outlook. Remember the photo
of the old woman versus the young woman. Exact same image is seen by half as
a young woman, and by the other half as an old hag.

I see the young woman. You see the old hag. Same image. Different
perspective.


sterlinga

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Re: Is the motor and generator atop the Rosch's KPP actually a QMoGen?
« Reply #169 on: April 30, 2015, 04:26:35 AM »
Sterling, sorry to break this to you, but I am the Peter Hughes who commented on your youtube video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA9WSRDwUiI - Seeking some kind of reply from Lindsey Stirling -- Day 54 of Sup Quest

Myself and John Doe chatted a bit, and well, we have been messing with you.

You have never had a conversation with Lindsey or anyone  who has relayed your "stuff" to her.

Sorry.

Pete


BTW, I don't feel bad about this due to your 911 ravings.

So, Pete, by your saying "your 911 ravings," I take it that can add you to the list of "show me the data" doofuses who believe the establishment line on 9/11. I bet you're in the bottom 5 percent in this crowd on that one. Pretty obvious. Come one. Can a building fall at free-fall speed without help from the inside? Any non-political physicist knows the answer to that one, easily.

I can't disclose details, but I assure you my conversations were extensive with LS. I'm not referring to the one post you're referring to.

sterlinga

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #170 on: April 30, 2015, 04:33:43 AM »
Aint that the truth.
In fact,none of the devices Sterling has presented as free energy device has ever paned out-->unless he has one in there with solar pannels some where ::)

To prove that you're "full of it" on the pathological skeptic end of the spectrum, let me cite AN example that obliterates what you just said.

SHT has had three third-party tests by highly reputable organizations doing quantitative analysis showing ~500x, ~1300x, and ~900x output. Four third-party tests showing ~97% H output, from H2O input.

Also, Rossi has had considerable testing done, not to mention that his technology was purchased by Industrial Heat, as part of a 2 billion dollar fund, if I remember right, after 1 year due diligence.

You're like the Wright Brothers skeptics who for four years continued to say heavier-than-air flight would not be possible, despite the FACT that they were flying around doing demonstrations. Now that is obvious, then it wasn't. Guess where I would have been back then... Versus you...

MileHigh

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #171 on: April 30, 2015, 04:57:30 AM »
I don't follow SHT so I can't comment.  If I recall MarkE said they are bogus.

That sounds like good news about Rossi with some qualifications.  If the tech is real, it's not free energy, it's atomic energy.  I know that you know that but so many people refer to it as free energy.  Rossi has a very shaky reputation so I can hope it's real.  Do you know when Industrial Heat is supposed to deploy the tech or put products on the market?

You are completely and utterly wrong on the Wright Brothers.  I read it all the time so this is push back.  Many scientists knew that flight was coming, but the people that controlled public opinion, the newspaper editors, where not scientifically literate and said it could not be done.  Do your proper research and you will never repeat that worn out and false cliche again.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #172 on: April 30, 2015, 05:00:51 AM »
I sent the following email to Roberto just now (they're asleep presently):

Dansie said: "Safety lighting is triggered by power failures in Germany , the USA and even here in the Philippines. "   The safety lighting was on during the said time of the AuKW outage.   This is a pretty good point that needs a better explanation than what we've received so far.

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Sterling:

Good for you.  I am glad you sent this email because Mark Dansie is 100% correct in his assertions about emergency lighting.  I have never seen any variations of emergency lighting work other than in the way he described.

Bill

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #173 on: April 30, 2015, 05:29:52 AM »

We now see comments like-wait until you try to do useful work with your stored energy :o-->What kind of an idiotic comment is that?. I think we can be quite confident that a 30ltr volume of gas at a pressure of 18psi over the two tank's is going to do more work that a 30ltr volume of gas at a pressure of 12psi over the two tanks-->when both temperatures are the same.


No one is disputing that you end up with more 'energy' inside the two tanks.  The point being made is that you will NEVER be able to do is end up back at the starting condition with the 40 psi tank refilled and  net external  work done.

The 'extra energy' you claim appears by 'drawing in from the ambient' is in fact coming from the work you must expend to raise the pressure in the 40 psi tank from atmospheric initially.  You don't even account for that energy in your analysis, so you can't claim 133% or 110% or whatever.. such numbers are meaningless drivel.

It's the same mistake that people make when analysing SMOT's and so forth by ignoring the energy their hand imparts to the system by bring the components to the starting configuration.

Rant all you like about 'senile old men who are still thinking in the dark ages' but until I see some analysis on your part that  is actually meaningful I'll continue to call you out.


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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #174 on: April 30, 2015, 05:47:08 AM »
@Mark E
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The imagined possibility is exactly that:  Imagined.  The fantasy does not make the reality.  It sometimes inspires people to do the work
to make the reality, when such a thing is possible.
Your concept of science is at best poor and at worst completely wrong. 
Science seeks to learn what is real through employment of the scientific method:
 A reason and evidence based methodology.
Science observes and studies natural phenomena while the inventor uses knowledge and understanding to create what others could not possibly imagine. The inventor makes fantasy reality and this has been proven throughout history. They invented the locomotive, the car, the airplane, the rocket and they will carry on inventing things in the future which others cannot possibly imagine and think is fantasy...that's the way it has been proven to work Mark. Your vote does not count and you don't actually have a say in the future because it is defined by whatever the inventors can dream up and make reality. I understand you have a great sense of self-importance but your nobody until such time as you become part of a solution to make things better in reality. Any fool can tell other people something cannot be done but some inventor somewhere always seems to show people different and this is the way it has always been.
 
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The imagined possibility is exactly that:  Imagined.  The fantasy does not
make the reality.  It sometimes inspires people to do the work
to make the reality, when such a thing is possible.
To be honest I find you guys kind of comical because you pretend to be some kind of authority and yet you have absolutely none, you are nobody so far as the future is concerned. People will understand new things and they will invent new things we could not possibly imagine and that is a fact which has been proven throughout our history. Let's put it this way, where do you think we will be 1000 years from now?, I will give you a little hint... based on how far we have come in the last 100 years you and most everything you know will be completely irrelevant and you will be seen in the same light as we look at chimpanzees. Right now due to the exponential growth of knowledge a person enroled in a 4 year university technology program will graduate to find 90% of what they were taught during that time is now obsolete. Put's a whole new spin on things doesn't it?.
 
AC
 

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Re: Is the motor and generator atop the Rosch's KPP actually a QMoGen?
« Reply #175 on: April 30, 2015, 06:26:36 AM »
I bet you're in the bottom 5 percent in this crowd on that one.

But at least I have a lot of things to be happy about.

I am glad your wife left you.
I am glad that you have not "Supped" yet.
I am glad that you were kicked out your church.
I am glad you are living with your parents.
I am glad that you have major financial issues.
I am glad that not one person has stepped forward to support you in alphabetics. (is Andrew Bradley helping you out financially ?).
I am glad that almost no-one funded your recent "begging campaign"
I am glad that you support Stuart as your moderator (since he is helping bring down what is left of your business).
I am glad that you have been wrong about EVERY single scam you have promoted as real.

I am probably in the bottom 5 percent on all of that lot as well.

but wait ..................................
In the last two weeks only:
You have started posting material which on the surface, shows you are willing to question obvious scams.
You also seem to have dropped the workload on the supping quest and are not stalking Lindsey nearly as much.
None of you recent PESN energy postings contain alphabetics, where many previous ones did.

So maybe you are starting to care about your reputation ?
And I guess you don't like being goofed with on your youtube channel and at greaterthings ?

Not that you are seeking advice (you being god and all), but maybe you might want to strongly consider
taking a more balance approach on all of your online content.
I believe it will attract more people to your business and enable you start supporting your family
again without having to resort to "begging for groceries for Cherie" on your website.

allcanadian

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #176 on: April 30, 2015, 06:50:03 AM »
@PIH123
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But at least I have a lot of things to be happy about.
I am glad your wife
left you.
I am glad that you have not "Supped" yet.
I am glad that you
were kicked out your church.
I am glad you are living with your parents.
I
am glad that you have major financial issues.
I am glad that not one person
has stepped forward to support you in alphabetics. (is Andrew Bradley helping
you out financially ?).
I am glad that almost no-one funded your recent
"begging campaign"
I am glad that you support Stuart as your moderator (since
he is helping bring down what is left of your business).
I am glad that you
have been wrong about EVERY single scam you have promoted as real.

I am probably in the bottom 5 percent on all of that lot as well.
That may be the most offensive post I have seen here at OU to date and your in the top 1% of the complete asshole department in my opinion.
AC

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #177 on: April 30, 2015, 06:56:57 AM »
Newest findings:

Gaia admitted, that they use 2 IPCameras with Infrared Nightvison InfraredLEDs
with Power over Ethernet.
So there was no Emergency light from the hall, but this was the second IP Camera switching on its
Infrared LEDs and both cams were powered by Power over Ethernet cables
and IMHO probably the router was on an USV, so no power outage for the cams and router,
but the AuKW shut down, because the hall had a power outage..-> SCAM...


Also Gaia just posted 2 new videos themself here:

http://gaia-energy.org/liveticker-aukw-besichtigungen-30-04-2015/
Well, that explains why the image is in black&white after the light came back on, and accounts for the specular reflection on the heating panel that is in view. But if you look up at the top of the frame, it is pretty evident that there is some kind of lighting coming from up there, illuminating the top of the AuKW and casting shadows on the back wall that are not coming from the IR LEDs... I think.  I thought this was from the emergency light fixture, which typically has two spotlight-type bulbs in it pointing down and away at angles. Whatever is casting that light is out of the frame, but it certainly looks like there is light coming from up there.


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Re: Is the motor and generator atop the Rosch's KPP actually a QMoGen?
« Reply #178 on: April 30, 2015, 06:57:33 AM »
So, Pete, by your saying "your 911 ravings," I take it that can add you to the list of "show me the data" doofuses who believe the establishment line on 9/11. I bet you're in the bottom 5 percent in this crowd on that one. Pretty obvious. Come one. Can a building fall at free-fall speed without help from the inside? Any non-political physicist knows the answer to that one, easily.

I can't disclose details, but I assure you my conversations were extensive with LS. I'm not referring to the one post you're referring to.
Any physicist that isn't a few eggs short of a dozen will tell you that there is no such thing as "free-fall speed".  There is acceleration due to gravity.  And there is velocity dependent viscous friction with air that changes with atmospheric conditions.  For a given vertical drag coefficient a terminal velocity exists that is reached after falling for a sufficient time.  For skydivers jumping around 10,000' that's about five seconds and almost 1000' drop.

To find out what happened physically to buildings damaged and destroyed at the WTC on 9/11 you could always read the NIST report.  That report was written by knowledgeable people who evaluated the evidence in detail.  And contrary to your evil and unfounded accusations not one of those people is part of the heinous cover-up plot that you allege without a shred of evidence.  You accuse those people of being part of a plot to cover up the murder of thousands of their country mates.  Consider how you will explain the false witness you've born and continue to bear when you eventually face your creator.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #179 on: April 30, 2015, 07:24:35 AM »
To prove that you're "full of it" on the pathological skeptic end of the spectrum, let me cite AN example that obliterates what you just said.

SHT has had three third-party tests by highly reputable organizations doing quantitative analysis showing ~500x, ~1300x, and ~900x output. Four third-party tests showing ~97% H output, from H2O input.

Also, Rossi has had considerable testing done, not to mention that his technology was purchased by Industrial Heat, as part of a 2 billion dollar fund, if I remember right, after 1 year due diligence.

You're like the Wright Brothers skeptics who for four years continued to say heavier-than-air flight would not be possible, despite the FACT that they were flying around doing demonstrations. Now that is obvious, then it wasn't. Guess where I would have been back then... Versus you...
You have been taken in by SHT just as badly as you were taken in by Mylow.  The third party tests performed for SHT did not establish an input / output energy balance.  They did not establish their claim that they convert water to hydrogen gram for gram.  The test reports published reported on:  1) Electricity supply to the unit under test, 2) Gas outflow volume, and 3) Chemical analysis of the outflow. 

What you seem to gloss over every time is that SHT's device uses a metal consummable that they admit is part of an oxidation reduction reaction evolving hydrogen.  That admission alone kills the gram for gram water to hydrogen claim, independent of the absurdity of the notion that they would transmute an oxygen atom consisting of 8 N, 8P, 8e to 16 hydrogen atoms of 1P + 1e each.  All fission for elements lighter than iron is energetically unfavorable.  That means that if SHT's claims were true, the energy value of hydrogen to oxidize  would be many orders of magnitude smaller than the nuclear energy imparted to fission the oxygen.  SHT's crack team would have you believe that they have a process that turns sand into small sapphires that just happens to make Hope sized diamonds as a side effect.

Rossi is yet another scam artist.  After more than four years of claims, and three years of supposedly delivering those trailer load MW power plants he still shivers each winter in his long coat and propane heated offices in Bologna.