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Author Topic: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.  (Read 169525 times)

Offline MarkE

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #150 on: April 29, 2015, 07:06:29 PM »
Hey tinman

I don't see much sense in trying to debate this with the critics because there is no real debate in it. However others might be interested in finding creative solutions that work. Your venturi nozzle is an interesting idea because if the pressure is converted to kinetic energy then it may absorb heat from ambient and add it when this kinetic energy is converted back to pressure inside the tank. In effect a heat pump and some early refrigeration systems used compressed air.


I have done a great deal of R&D and over the years found most all Free Energy relates to a single statement. Action A is transformed into another form having no direct relation to reaction B allowing it to interact with C (the external environment) thus A-C upon conversion may increase B. The reaction B is not dictated by action A alone but the extent of interaction with C.


So simple and yet the critics must in every case deny the external environment even exists. It is a fools game played out by senile old men stuck in the past in my opinion. It's the same old story and if were not part of the solution then we are the problem.


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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #150 on: April 29, 2015, 07:06:29 PM »

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #151 on: April 29, 2015, 07:37:00 PM »
Quote Memoryman'most discussions are about a closed system; using the environment will turn the system in question from a closed one to an open one.'

There's no such thing as a closed system anyways thus every system in existence will involve the environment and heat-traffic with it.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #152 on: April 29, 2015, 07:48:40 PM »

As I stated at http://peswiki.com/index.php/Blog:GAIA%27s_AuKW_Demo#Official:_Club_GAIA_on_Outage

From my limited perspective, what is seen in that video is consistent with GAIA's description.

Prior to the outage (of the 5 kW system), the power for the lighting was coming from the lamps around the system. Then the AuKW went down, so the lights went out. The other lights in the hall were already off.

The darkness triggered the light-sensing safety lighting, which then turned on.
Safety lighting is triggered by power failures in Germany , the USA and even here in the Philippines. This really shows how you often jump to false assumptions or just plain wrong. If they were light sensitive they would come on every night. LOL
You should go check things out before embarrassing yourself.
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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #152 on: April 29, 2015, 07:48:40 PM »
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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #153 on: April 29, 2015, 08:06:46 PM »
It is also interesting to note that since man has been building huge steel ships that displace 100s of 1000s of tons,and put up on dry dock during high tide,that the earths rotation speed reduction has not increased above the 2 microseconds each day since over 200 000000 years ago-it has remained constant regardless of mans intervention.

If we take a large ball,and tether a small ball to it some distance away from it,and then set it in a spinning motion in space-will it stop spinning?,no,it wont,and regardless of what you do on that large ball,it wont stop spinning unless you eject mass into space,and form some sort of rocket engine device or effect.

The fact that the earths decreasing rotational speed has remained constant for over 200 000000 years that we know of,clearly shows that mans intervention has had no effect-and we are talking microseconds here,so a very precise measurement.

Extracting energy from the rotational energy of the Earth with the ship will slow it down and you can work it out with a hand calculator.  It's just a question of the order of magnitude.  It's too small to affect the 2 microseconds each day.  It would affect the moon too.  It's a good college physics problem.

The ball will slow down if there is an unbalanced force on it.  Why don't you read up on the Earth-moon system.  The clockwise and counter-clockwise torques on the Earth from the Earth-moon gravitational attraction are NOT equal.  There is more of the Earth's mass on one side of the center line than the other when looking at the Moon's gravitational attraction towards the Earth.  That causes the torque.  That's why the Earth is slowing down.  That's what you are not getting.  Just find a web page and look at the diagram.

There is torque on the Earth's rotation slowing it down, and there is torque on the moon's orbit throwing it farther out into space.  The moon's orbit is going "up the orbital potential energy elevator" because of that torque.

The Earth is undergoing toque because the tides put more of the Earth's mass on one side of the center line of the Earth-moon system than the other.  Because of that, the Earth is acting like a "gravitational tug boat" pulling on the moon which is equivalent to putting torque on the orbit of the moon.   Since the Earth is acting like a "tug boat" there is a N3 tug back on the rotating Earth, slowing it down.  It's like there is an elastic band under tension between the "heavy" side of the Earth and the moon.  To the moon, it looks like it is at the end of a slingshot pulling on it and speeding it up.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #154 on: April 29, 2015, 10:28:41 PM »
Yes Mark,, it surely does, and it surely can.

What a fantasy it was then to think about harnessing electricity,, or going to the moon,, or many other "breakthroughs".

Fantasy, or creative thinking, is the spark that drives innovation.

You know what is getting really fatiguing in the world in general?  It's the redefining of words on the fly just because.

"Fantasy" means that it's not true.  Whereas going to the moon and a pistol shrimp are not fantasy, they are real.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
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Offline MileHigh

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #155 on: April 29, 2015, 11:50:31 PM »
Yes, and this is the one that readily comes to mind when reading some of this thread:

<<< A fanciful mental image, typically one on which a person dwells at length or repeatedly and which reflects their conscious or unconscious wishes.  >>>

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Re: Is the motor and generator atop the Rosch's KPP actually a QMoGen?
« Reply #156 on: April 29, 2015, 11:59:59 PM »
Yes, I did have some interesting conversations with a certain celebrity.

Sterling, sorry to break this to you, but I am the Peter Hughes who commented on your youtube video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA9WSRDwUiI - Seeking some kind of reply from Lindsey Stirling -- Day 54 of Sup Quest

Myself and John Doe chatted a bit, and well, we have been messing with you.

You have never had a conversation with Lindsey or anyone  who has relayed your "stuff" to her.

Sorry.

Pete


BTW, I don't feel bad about this due to your 911 ravings.

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Re: Is the motor and generator atop the Rosch's KPP actually a QMoGen?
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Offline ramset

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #157 on: April 30, 2015, 12:19:40 AM »
Seems like somebody  spiked the Punch bowl...

Whacky party indeed...

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Re: Is the motor and generator atop the Rosch's KPP actually a QMoGen?
« Reply #158 on: April 30, 2015, 01:26:35 AM »
Sterling, sorry to break this to you, but I am the Peter Hughes who commented on your youtube video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA9WSRDwUiI - Seeking some kind of reply from Lindsey Stirling -- Day 54 of Sup Quest

Myself and John Doe chatted a bit, and well, we have been messing with you.

You have never had a conversation with Lindsey or anyone  who has relayed your "stuff" to her.

Sorry.

Pete


BTW, I don't feel bad about this due to your 911 ravings.

That is astounding. One single comment from "John Doe" reaching to 8036 words. Talk about TLDR ! That's not a comment, that's a novelette !


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Re: Is the motor and generator atop the Rosch's KPP actually a QMoGen?
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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #159 on: April 30, 2015, 01:31:54 AM »
Yes Mark,, it surely does, and it surely can.

What a fantasy it was then to think about harnessing electricity,, or going to the moon,, or many other "breakthroughs".

Fantasy, or creative thinking, is the spark that drives innovation.
Faantasy may inspire.  It does not solve problems.  Electricity was not harnessed because someone imagined it was harnessed.  It was harnessed when they worked it out.  We did not get to the moon when Jules Vern wrote about it.  We got there after thousands of people worked each of the many problems that had to be overcome.

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Re: Is the motor and generator atop the Rosch's KPP actually a QMoGen?
« Reply #160 on: April 30, 2015, 01:36:05 AM »
That is astounding. One single comment from "John Doe" reaching to 8036 words. Talk about TLDR ! That's not a comment, that's a novelette !

And by some freak coincidence, when put through ASCII.com, that post added up to exactly 84627 (Sterlings Zipcode)
(when divided by 23.468 of course).

I really think he is onto something here.

Maybe I am HMITF, sans perky boobies.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #161 on: April 30, 2015, 01:42:55 AM »

As I stated at http://peswiki.com/index.php/Blog:GAIA%27s_AuKW_Demo#Official:_Club_GAIA_on_Outage

From my limited perspective, what is seen in that video is consistent with GAIA's description.

Prior to the outage (of the 5 kW system), the power for the lighting was coming from the lamps around the system. Then the AuKW went down, so the lights went out. The other lights in the hall were already off.
This statement appears to make no sense. "The power for the lighting was coming from the lamps around the system." So lamps provide power for themselves, now? Well considering some of the other wild claims you have championed.... I suppose this is par for the course.
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The darkness triggered the light-sensing safety lighting, which then turned on.
As others have explained to you, most emergency lighting is triggered by loss of mains power, not "darkness". Do you have any evidence for the assertion that this hall has some unusual emergency lighting system that is triggered by darkness rather than loss of mains power? Do these emergency lights then come on whenever the building's main lights are simply turned off and it gets dark inside? You really aren't making much sense here.

The explanation from Gaia also doesn't make a lot of sense. The thing failed 2 or 3 hours after the heavy load was removed, because somebody forgot to plug the heating panels back in? And this was an error in "control programming"? And a few minutes of programming found and fixed that problem?

You really will believe just about anything, that's clear enough.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #162 on: April 30, 2015, 02:30:42 AM »
Hey tinman


So simple and yet the critics must in every case deny the external environment even exists. It is a fools game played out by senile old men stuck in the past in my opinion. It's the same old story and if were not part of the solution then we are the problem.


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I don't see much sense in trying to debate this with the critics because there is no real debate in it.

In the past couple of week's,i have found this to be very true.

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I have done a great deal of R&D and over the years found most all Free Energy relates to a single statement. Action A is transformed into another form having no direct relation to reaction B allowing it to interact with C (the external environment) thus A-C upon conversion may increase B. The reaction B is not dictated by action A alone but the extent of interaction with C.

This is exactly what i did. I had two tanks-1 x 10ltr volume and 1 x 20ltr volume. The 10ltr tank was tank A. This was the tank that stored the energy in the form of compressed gas. Tank B was the receiver. When the venturi was added to the system,this became what you call C.

Now,a series of 5 test were carried out,where the gas in tank A was aloud to flow into tank B via way of a ball valve. MarkE done the calculations,and we were getting an efficiency of 98% in the transfer when the gas temperature was aloud to settle to ambiant temperature. At this time,all was good. Then i fitted the venturi between tanks A and B,so as external gas(ambiant air) was drawn into tank B when the ball valve was opened between tank's A&B. I then gave MarkE the results in way of pressure and temperature when the gas was once again aloud to settle to ambiant temperature-->both test carried out in identical circumstances and conditions,only one could draw in gas from the enviroment. I got back--this makes no sense,as the result was 110%.

From there on in,it just went down hill from there. I continued to implement the ram into the system,and once again obtained the results over 5 test runs. As in the last two test,the results were averaged out over the 5 test runs. I once again gave the figures to MarkE to calculate. From there on in,everything went pear shaped. I was told that no results would be given until i disclose the units working as a whole. I was told they were nonsense figures,and mean nothing until i disclose the system as a whole,and exactly how it work's. This can be read by all those that are interested in the open systems thread.

I had some one else crunch the number's,and we ended up with around 133% efficiency.
We now see comments like-wait until you try to do useful work with your stored energy :o-->What kind of an idiotic comment is that?. I think we can be quite confident that a 30ltr volume of gas at a pressure of 18psi over the two tank's is going to do more work that a 30ltr volume of gas at a pressure of 12psi over the two tanks-->when both temperatures are the same.

It is funny to see how the guru's bail out when things dont make sense to them,and when things start looking better than they should,they demand to see the system as a whole before helping out any further.

The truth is that-the energy stored in tank A was able to create a situation where it could draw energy in from the enviroment without loosing any energy itself. I dont know why the guru's find it so hard to understand that when you allow gas from the enviroment to flow into the tank's,and no gas can escape the tank's,that the end result wont be a higher gas mass amount in the two tanks when the cycle has finished.

MarkE was confused as to why i would use the small tank as the energy storage tank,and not the large one,as i would loose less energy during the transfer if i used the large tank as tank A,and the small tank(the receiver)as tank B. Well im sure there are those that will understand now as to why i did it that way,and the results speak for them self.

I think some guru's have a diode like mind,where there physics(or known physics)may leave,but if results dont agree with there physics,then that cannot enter-and everything comes to a holt for them-->as it did in my case.

So there you go AC,we started with 100% energy in tank A,and when the cycle was complete,we ended up with 133% of stored energy in tanks A&B. The extra 33% came from the enviroment,and that is exactly where it will be returned when put to work. No laws broken here,as when the energy stored in the tanks is returned to the enviroment,energy has been conserved.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #163 on: April 30, 2015, 02:32:56 AM »
Newest findings:

Gaia admitted, that they use 2 IPCameras with Infrared Nightvison InfraredLEDs
with Power over Ethernet.
So there was no Emergency light from the hall, but this was the second IP Camera switching on its
Infrared LEDs and both cams were powered by Power over Ethernet cables
and IMHO probably the router was on an USV, so no power outage for the cams and router,
but the AuKW shut down, because the hall had a power outage..-> SCAM...


Also Gaia just posted 2 new videos themself here:

http://gaia-energy.org/liveticker-aukw-besichtigungen-30-04-2015/

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #164 on: April 30, 2015, 03:07:01 AM »
Newest findings:

Gaia admitted, that they use 2 IPCameras with Infrared Nightvison InfraredLEDs
with Power over Ethernet.
So there was no Emergency light from the hall, but this was the second IP Camera switching on its
Infrared LEDs and both cams were powered by Power over Ethernet cables
and IMHO probably the router was on an USV, so no power outage for the cams and router,
but the AuKW shut down, because the hall had a power outage..-> SCAM...


Also Gaia just posted 2 new videos themself here:

http://gaia-energy.org/liveticker-aukw-besichtigungen-30-04-2015/

Stefan:

Bingo.  Their device can not operate without power supplied to the hall.  What does this tell us about this FREE energy device?

They are busted, and so is Sterling if he continues to try to defend, deflect, make excuses (using false facts about emergency lighting) and offer other ridiculous explanations.

Remember this and do not forget:  "Believe Or Leave!"

Sterling should have T-shirts made with this slogan printed on them.  The sales of which can help him pay his electric bill to the power company since none of his Qmogens appear to be doing the job.

Bill

 

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