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Author Topic: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.  (Read 169520 times)

Offline tinman

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #135 on: April 29, 2015, 01:20:12 PM »
, I started with the best case:  The device doesn't consume any net energy.  All real cases are worse.  Please pay better attention.Evidence, you should look into that concept The thermal losses only take you downhill from the starting point of no net energy being available from buoyancy.Zero less any positive value is less than zero.  You start with zero net energy available and suffer losses. 

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I just love how you continue to laugh at peoples ideas and thought's MarkE. This is a common occurrence with you. You always laugh at those you consider to be below you.

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.LOL, to be "more efficient" than the work evolved is to ask for free energy.

No,as i proved useing your calculations,the energy you call free actually came from the enviroment. And at the end of the cycle,it will be returned to where it came from-the conservation of energy :D

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If you get rid of all of the losses you are back to nothing.

And yet i showed a net energy gain(useing your calculations),even with the losses. This is there along with a simple schematic for all to try,and see the results for them self.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #135 on: April 29, 2015, 01:20:12 PM »

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #136 on: April 29, 2015, 01:28:15 PM »
I just love how you continue to laugh at peoples ideas and thought's MarkE. This is a common occurrence with you. You always laugh at those you consider to be below you.

No,as i proved useing your calculations,the energy you call free actually came from the enviroment. And at the end of the cycle,it will be returned to where it came from-the conservation of energy :D

And yet i showed a net energy gain(useing your calculations),even with the losses. This is there along with a simple schematic for all to try,and see the results for them self.

So why don't you make comment on the concept of chaining several of your venturi nozzles together? Should be a no brainer to produce an ever increasing output, no?

Or does the effect miraculously disappear when it knows the secret to eternal free energy is under threat of exposure. These things must remain hidden after all :)

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #137 on: April 29, 2015, 01:59:43 PM »
You are wrong on this one Brad, but I am not going to push it further.   Something to think about or look up if you are curious, is how many Joules of energy are there available due to the angular momentum of the rotating Earth?  Then suppose you give yourself the "right" to harvest just 10% of that rotational energy.  How much energy is there in that 10% chunk?  How many Bay of Fundy ship tidal power up and down "rides" does that give you?   That might be an interesting number.

I know what your saying MH,and to a point-i agree. But then ask yourself this-how much energy (in this offset you speak of) would Mt everest be taking away from the earths rotation. Lets just knock 50 000 tons off the peak,and where done-right?--we have gained ballance?. No,we havnt. The midway point is the ballance with the ship. Do you see it as being raised 14 meters,or being raised 7 meters,and dropped 7 meters?. It's all the same thing-the mass remains the same,so the energy required remains the same. The earth is fluid ballanced,and that ballance is offset by the moons gravitational pull. We are loosing no energy,only transforming energy. It is also interesting to note that since man has been building huge steel ships that displace 100s of 1000s of tons,and put up on dry dock during high tide,that the earths rotation speed reduction has not increased above the 2 microseconds each day since over 200 000000 years ago-it has remained constant regardless of mans intervention. If we take a large ball,and tether a small ball to it some distance away from it,and then set it in a spinning motion in space-will it stop spinning?,no,it wont,and regardless of what you do on that large ball,it wont stop spinning unless you eject mass into space,and form some sort of rocket engine device or effect. So why do you think that the same would not apply here on earth?,why would anything we do on earth effect the spin of the earth when we are just that big ball with a smaller balled tethered to it spinning in space. Did the thought ever cross your mind that the slowing of the earths rotation may have something to do with the earths position in the galactic plane?. How do you know that once we pass through the galactic plane to the other side where the earth will now be seeing a counter rotation in relation to the rotation of the galaxy,that the earth wont once again start to speed up?. Only another 65 million years,and we will know the answer to that.

The fact that the earths decreasing rotational speed has remained constant for over 200 000000 years that we know of,clearly shows that mans intervention has had no effect-and we are talking microseconds here,so a very precise measurement.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #137 on: April 29, 2015, 01:59:43 PM »
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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #138 on: April 29, 2015, 02:04:57 PM »
So why don't you make comment on the concept of chaining several of your venturi nozzles together? Should be a no brainer to produce an ever increasing output, no?

Or does the effect miraculously disappear when it knows the secret to eternal free energy is under threat of exposure. These things must remain hidden after all :)
Sure-you send the cash to pay for the equipment and my time,and i will give you a looped system.
You seem to think this is some sort of miracle,when it is nothing more than useing the enviroments energy to power a device. The solar pannel dose this with ease,and to you it's just a common item that can be bought and used at will. So why dose this system that uses a different enviromental energy seem so far fetched to you? Your partner in crime even stated that the enviroment gases hold a huge amount of energy,and yet you seem bewildered as to how enviromental gases could be used to increase the energy within a system. :o

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #139 on: April 29, 2015, 02:18:36 PM »
Sure-you send the cash to pay for the equipment and my time,and i will give you a looped system.
You seem to think this is some sort of miracle,when it is nothing more than useing the enviroments energy to power a device. The solar pannel dose this with ease,and to you it's just a common item that can be bought and used at will. So why dose this system that uses a different enviromental energy seem so far fetched to you? Your partner in crime even stated that the enviroment gases hold a huge amount of energy,and yet you seem bewildered as to how enviromental gases could be used to increase the energy within a system. :o

I'd have thought that you'd recognise that performing such a test would perhaps be the simplest way to test your hypothesis that this device provides for an energy increase. What you have done so far does NOT preclude the result that all you have done is create a more efficient nozzle.

I've got absolutely zero interest in providing cash for you to test a looped system though, as I already know what the result would be.

This device has nothing in common with the well established principle of turning light into electrical energy such as occurs in a solar panel. Solar panels are ~30% efficient at best. There is no chance of them becoming anywhere near 100 per cent efficient, let alone the 133% you seem to be claiming for a venturi nozzle.


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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #139 on: April 29, 2015, 02:18:36 PM »
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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #140 on: April 29, 2015, 02:20:13 PM »
With the apparatus as set-up you have not performed any useful work.  See how much useful work you can do by any means from your now 30 liters of 16.2 psi gauge air.  A simple test to see if it is more than 10 liters of 40 psi gauge air is to devise a scheme where you end up with 10 liters of 40 psi gauge air again, and some additional non zero quantity of air still above zero gauge, or alternately fill more than 10 liters to 40 psi gauge, or 10 liters to more than 40 psi gauge.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #141 on: April 29, 2015, 03:47:03 PM »
Quote Libre-energia:'Solar panels are ~30% efficient at best. There is no chance of them becoming anywhere near 100 per cent efficient.'

You sure about this?there are caesium based panels which can push 60% and up

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #142 on: April 29, 2015, 04:32:02 PM »

I've got absolutely zero interest in providing cash for you to test a looped system though, as I already know what the result would be.


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I'd have thought that you'd recognise that performing such a test would perhaps be the simplest way to test your hypothesis that this device provides for an energy increase. What you have done so far does NOT preclude the result that all you have done is create a more efficient nozzle.


Please explain as to how a nozzle can increase the energy within two vessel's to over 100%.

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This device has nothing in common with the well established principle of turning light into electrical energy such as occurs in a solar panel. Solar panels are ~30% efficient at best. There is no chance of them becoming anywhere near 100 per cent efficient, let alone the 133% you seem to be claiming for a venturi nozzle.

Nope-you got it wrong again. The venturi increased the energy within the two vessels to 110%-->this was MarkE's calculations with the numbers i provided,not the 133% you claim. The 133% result was with the use of a ram-->not the venturi.

If you are going to quote people,make sure you are quoting the correct results with the correct device. All the information on these results is on the open systems thread-which i thought you were following correctly when you made your statements.

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Solar panels are ~30% efficient at best. There is no chance of them becoming anywhere near 100 per cent efficient

Another incorrect statement. You mean to say-->solar pannels only convert 30% of the suns energy that they recieve to electrical energy,the rest is transformed into heat,and a portion is reflected. For some one that insists on going by the book,you sure do miss a lot.

Oh,and for the record,over here in Australia,we have solar pannels that top 40% sun light to electrical energy conversion. The good news is that now they have managed to put all this into one cell insted of four.
http://rt.com/business/212383-australia-record-solar-energy/

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #143 on: April 29, 2015, 05:48:23 PM »
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Please explain as to how a nozzle can increase the energy within two vessel's to over 100%.


I don't see much sense in trying to debate this with the critics because there is no real debate in it. However others might be interested in finding creative solutions that work. Your venturi nozzle is an interesting idea because if the pressure is converted to kinetic energy then it may absorb heat from ambient and add it when this kinetic energy is converted back to pressure inside the tank. In effect a heat pump and some early refrigeration systems used compressed air.


I have done a great deal of R&D and over the years found most all Free Energy relates to a single statement. Action A is transformed into another form having no direct relation to reaction B allowing it to interact with C (the external environment) thus A-C upon conversion may increase B. The reaction B is not dictated by action A alone but the extent of interaction with C.


So simple and yet the critics must in every case deny the external environment even exists. It is a fools game played out by senile old men stuck in the past in my opinion. It's the same old story and if were not part of the solution then we are the problem.


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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
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Re: Is the motor and generator atop the Rosch's KPP actually a QMoGen?
« Reply #144 on: April 29, 2015, 06:08:36 PM »

Hi Sterling,
unlike your site where most comments are suppressed and posters banned (again) you are always welcome to post your opinions here or at Revolution-Green.com
As you know form many years experience, not one QMoGen you either reported on or promoted with you fee for story journalism approach has ever worked out. Not one has been independently verified or gone into production. So why carry on with this delusional fantasy?


Speaking of fantasy, on a personnel note I was wondering
1. Did Jesus ever come for supper after you invited him ?
2. Did the young ,famous violinist you were stalking ever take you up on a date ?
3. Are you still expecting to be arrested for your self confessed inappropriate sexual behavior ?
4. Do you still believe anyone takes you seriously anymore or wants to be associated with you given the above questions?


I also find it amusing you would post here given the hatchet job and bad mouthing your moderator Stuart is giving Stefan. Stefan is well respected by all and is also entitled to an opinion without emotive and derogatory comments being made.


On a positive note some of your recent stories have been balanced and well written


Kind regards and best wishes
Mark Dansie


Kind Regards
Mark

Unlike you, I have patience and hope in a better future. Things don't have to happen today for them to be viable future possibilities.

Yes, I'm still holding out for amazing things in my personal quest. Yes, I did have some interesting conversations with a certain celebrity.

As I told you in the PESN comments where you posted your usual pathological skepticism:

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 Remember, this comment [referring to Dansie] is coming from Mr. "guilty until proven innocent" attitude, who has no qualms about that and is actually proud of it.   It's also coming from Mr. "show me the data" who doesn't believe 9/11 was an inside job (lack of core courage/honesty to see/accept what is blatant). It also comes from someone who doesn't see any core problems with Socialism, which is another word for tyranny by government.
There are over 50 independent groups worldwide from 17+ countries who think they have come up with this on their own, and have shown interesting videos demonstrating it. I think it's safe to say there is something to it.
See our listing at http://QMoGen.com
I think the reason none of them have given an indisputable proof, and why none of them have come to market is because free energy is all about freedom; and right now, having sewn wickedness, the world doesn't yet deserve freedom, they deserve the tyranny they are getting. That's why I've been focusing on spiritual stuff in recent times, to help bring about a major spiritual awaking on the planet, so we can avert the incarceration the world is heading toward, aka New World Order, global police state, martial law, Jade Helm, etc.
That Rosch/GAIA are now coming forward, so close to market, makes me think we might be on the brink of a major spiritual awakening, or this wouldn't be so close. If that awakening doesn't happen, then things will keep "popping up" to prevent the full  roll-out until it does -- unless they opt to target individuals and groups who are awake, and don't try to go mainstream. To a large extent, I would argue that this is what has been going on by default, since at this point, it is mostly only the "awake" who have been attracted to this to the point of being pioneers to get the first systems as they become available.
 

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #145 on: April 29, 2015, 06:17:57 PM »
"So simple and yet the critics must in every case deny the external environment even exists."
most discussions are about a closed system; using the environment will turn the system in question from a closed one to an open one.
Why is it that the OU enthusiasts seem to use very poor English, even allowing for differences between countries?

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #145 on: April 29, 2015, 06:17:57 PM »
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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #146 on: April 29, 2015, 06:33:48 PM »
Here also a Screenshot of the Youtube Channel from Verein Gaia at:
https://www.youtube.com/user/VereinGAIA

Now there is also the Thumbnail icon to see from the old Livestream:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaspEl8WJW0


As I stated at http://peswiki.com/index.php/Blog:GAIA%27s_AuKW_Demo#Official:_Club_GAIA_on_Outage

From my limited perspective, what is seen in that video is consistent with GAIA's description.

Prior to the outage (of the 5 kW system), the power for the lighting was coming from the lamps around the system. Then the AuKW went down, so the lights went out. The other lights in the hall were already off.

The darkness triggered the light-sensing safety lighting, which then turned on.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #147 on: April 29, 2015, 06:44:38 PM »
"The darkness triggered the light-sensing safety lighting, which then turned on." In my experience the emergency lights are NOT triggered by light sensors. They turn on when their MAINS POWER has been removed, if they are not permanently on to start with (many are).

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #148 on: April 29, 2015, 06:51:32 PM »
   As if the lights would be powered by that silly contraption????

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #149 on: April 29, 2015, 06:56:42 PM »



  You have to hand it to old Rossi,he had the wit to hire in a 500kva Diesel generator!
 

 

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