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Author Topic: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.  (Read 145990 times)

Offline MarkE

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #450 on: May 25, 2015, 10:58:52 AM »
I seem to see a bit of irony in your answers............. I admit that my diagram is elementary and my thinking is simple, but in my defense I say that I posted it on a site called "Overunity - search for free energy and discussing free energy" and your answer seems rather a group that writes on a hypothetical site called "Never Overunity - free energy does not exist and if you believe it you are a fool", I mistakenly thought that this was the right place.. Or maybe you.
Why do you think that when you present old, refuted ideas that they should be considered viable now?
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However, I think you have me mistaken for someone else. To answer some allusions:
Yes, the circulator* is connected to a source of energy and the hope is, which is probably unfounded,  that using the weight of the water the generator can produce more energy than the circulator can consume. Even the container where there is the mechanism and the generator is part of the closed circuit.
Aside from wishful thinking, why do you think you are going to cheat gravity's conservative behavior?  You lift a mass of water up, and then you drop that mass of water.  What do you claim adds energy that you hope to tap?
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I view of the fact that a small circulator can move up to 4 cubic meters per hour of water, which means 4000 kg of water in an hour, or about 66 kg in a minute, and it consumes a maximum of 75 watts/hour. I wondered if it was possible, but apparently it is not (this is the link of the circulator of which I speak http://productfinder.wilo.com/en/IT/product/0000002e00037bbd0001003a/fc_product_tendertext )
75W/h is a nonsensical value that expresses a slow power rate of change.  That particular pump tops out at 20% electrical to mechanical efficiency.
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*Yes -Circulator: http://p.globalsources.com/IMAGES/PDT/B1055392017/Hot-Water-Circulator-Pump.jpg
  No - Water pump: http://www.fufamotors.com/uploadfile/20140704141152932.jpg

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #451 on: May 25, 2015, 11:12:48 AM »
Why do you think that when you present old, refuted ideas that they should be considered viable now?Aside from wishful thinking, why do you think you are going to cheat gravity's conservative behavior?  You lift a mass of water up, and then you drop that mass of water.  What do you claim adds energy that you hope to tap?75W/h is a nonsensical value that expresses a slow power rate of change.  That particular pump tops out at 20% electrical to mechanical efficiency.

a circulator of water in a closed circuit does not lift the water, it circulates the water. What you're talking about is a pump. the only question to be resolved is whether this loop so broken (but still closed) can ensure circulation

75 watt / hour of current consumption are those declared by the manufacturer of the circulator (see the link wilo) are not my invention.

you should take a vacation, I see you very resentful and do not see why you should be, maybe you're nervous and this is not good for health. my best wishes for you

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #452 on: May 25, 2015, 02:08:29 PM »
a circulator of water in a closed circuit does not lift the water, it circulates the water. What you're talking about is a pump. the only question to be resolved is whether this loop so broken (but still closed) can ensure circulation

75 watt / hour of current consumption are those declared by the manufacturer of the circulator (see the link wilo) are not my invention.

you should take a vacation, I see you very resentful and do not see why you should be, maybe you're nervous and this is not good for health. my best wishes for you
What do you think a circulator does to circulate the water?  Do you think it waves its vanes with a "come hither" expression, and the water molecules are unable to resist such overtures?

75 W/h is not on the data sheet.  It is a nonsensical term.  What do you think 75W/h means?  The data sheet specifies power consumption between 4W and 75W.  4W is 14.4kJ/h, and 75W is 270kJ/h.

There is no question:  You can build a fountain by powering the pump adequately.  Otherwise the machine quickly finds its rest state and remains there until external energy is added, or the internal configuration of the machine is changed in such a way that a new lower energy state can be reached.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #452 on: May 25, 2015, 02:08:29 PM »
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Offline MarkE

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #453 on: May 26, 2015, 11:26:13 AM »
In the meantime: The Rosch.ag web site has been down for several days now.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #454 on: May 26, 2015, 10:25:45 PM »
In the meantime: The Rosch.ag web site has been down for several days now.

Suspiciously like the absence of S+S on PISN!

I wonder if their trip got cancelled and they are too embarrassed to fess up?

Could be the Rosch gang has already exited the building and the country :-O

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #455 on: May 26, 2015, 10:45:40 PM »
Suspiciously like the absence of S+S on PISN!

I wonder if their trip got cancelled and they are too embarrassed to fess up?

Could be the Rosch gang has already exited the building and the country :-O
In the past 48 hours the number of posts on the Gaia blog has gone down due to pruning.  It peaked at 1412.  It is now 1408.  The RPP article is stuck at 195 comments. 

It could be that they have inept IT support.  Or it could be that they have a lousy hosting service.  Or it could be that Rosch have already heard from German law enforcement.   We will have to wait to see.  But it is not looking good for team bag of wet hammers.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #456 on: May 26, 2015, 11:31:22 PM »
In the past 48 hours the number of posts on the Gaia blog has gone down due to pruning.  It peaked at 1412.  It is now 1408.  The RPP article is stuck at 195 comments. 

It could be that they have inept IT support.  Or it could be that they have a lousy hosting service.  Or it could be that Rosch have already heard from German law enforcement.   We will have to wait to see.  But it is not looking good for team bag of wet hammers.

I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss the potential work output of hammers. Here is part of a working bucket of hammers OU device and it only uses 1 bucket, 20 hammers, a couple of saws and one sturdy chain...
http://images.dailykos.com/images/140259/lightbox/photo_2.JPG?1430061137

Notice all the rust; this proves it works as well as the Rosch Tskamverks contraption!

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #456 on: May 26, 2015, 11:31:22 PM »
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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #457 on: May 27, 2015, 12:03:41 AM »
I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss the potential work output of hammers. Here is part of a working bucket of hammers OU device and it only uses 1 bucket, 20 hammers, a couple of saws and one sturdy chain...
http://images.dailykos.com/images/140259/lightbox/photo_2.JPG?1430061137

Notice all the rust; this proves it works as well as the Rosch Tskamverks contraption!
The chain is an important touch.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #458 on: May 27, 2015, 02:26:27 AM »
The chain is an important touch.

You will notice that it exhibits no signs of rust like the Rosch bicycle chain. That is because it is coated with OU zinc rust proofing!
Those free energy folks just have no appreciation for how much drag rust can create on a mechanism as underunity as the Tskamverks thingy.
A decent zinc plating is work many KW/h of work!

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #458 on: May 27, 2015, 02:26:27 AM »
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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #459 on: May 27, 2015, 04:45:29 AM »
You will notice that it exhibits no signs of rust like the Rosch bicycle chain. That is because it is coated with OU zinc rust proofing!
Those free energy folks just have no appreciation for how much drag rust can create on a mechanism as underunity as the Tskamverks thingy.
A decent zinc plating is work many KW/h of work!
That's accelerated energy!  It has to be good!

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #460 on: May 27, 2015, 04:51:08 AM »
That's accelerated energy!  It has to be good!
So should we patent it or open source it?
Makes no difference to me if it saves humanity from itself  ;)

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #461 on: May 27, 2015, 06:25:21 AM »
In the past 48 hours the number of posts on the Gaia blog has gone down due to pruning.  It peaked at 1412.  It is now 1408.  The RPP article is stuck at 195 comments. 

It could be that they have inept IT support.  Or it could be that they have a lousy hosting service.  Or it could be that Rosch have already heard from German law enforcement.   We will have to wait to see.  But it is not looking good for team bag of wet hammers.

Shouldn't the TUV validation have taken place yesterday? I know that that was the GAIA claim, but I have no idea how long the process was to have taken. I'm sure that, had it happened and been anything but unequivocally negative, it would have been trumpeted by S+S/.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #462 on: May 27, 2015, 06:16:26 PM »
So should we patent it or open source it?
Makes no difference to me if it saves humanity from itself  ;)
With something as potent as kW/h open source is the only way to go.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #463 on: May 27, 2015, 08:48:15 PM »
With something as potent as kW/h open source is the only way to go.

OK, I'll get the literature printed up and we can sell the free instructions for $19.99  8)

I foresee a huge run on bags of hammers at Home Depot!

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #464 on: May 27, 2015, 09:34:34 PM »
Isn't it better to use inflatable hammers?

 

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