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Author Topic: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.  (Read 120877 times)

Offline ramset

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Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« on: April 26, 2015, 03:52:03 PM »
http://pesn.com/2015/04/22/9602609_Gaia-Energy_demonstrating_5-kW-home-power_Rosch-KPP-prototype_Germany,_taking-orders/

I know the TinMan is working on a similar Claim.
in the open systems thread

thanks for looking

Chet K

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2015, 04:37:48 PM »
http://pesn.com/2015/04/22/9602609_Gaia-Energy_demonstrating_5-kW-home-power_Rosch-KPP-prototype_Germany,_taking-orders/

I know the TinMan is working on a similar Claim.
in the open systems thread

thanks for looking

Chet K
Rosch is a complete fake.  See Overunity.DE.  See Stefan's comments to Sterling.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2015, 05:14:15 PM »
From April 25 - May 6, GAIA will be demonstrating a 5 kilowatt version of Rosch' technology that harnesses power of rising floats using pressurized air, which then descend after the air escapes above the water chamber. They will be making 500 units in their first round, half of which are already sold.

perhaps Someone  could be enticed to go visit and investigate ??

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2015, 05:14:15 PM »
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Offline MarkE

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2015, 05:26:22 PM »
I think that people who post on overunity.de are way ahead of you on that.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2015, 06:51:53 PM »
have you got any MEAT to go with those potatoes...?
perhaps some independent test lab reports ??

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2015, 08:25:21 PM »
Damn.de-ja-vu?

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2015, 09:12:15 PM »
have you got any MEAT to go with those potatoes...?
perhaps some independent test lab reports ??

Shirley you don't think they'll ever allow any independent testing.

I hope Stefan doesn't mind me copy-pasting this post that he made, with a quote from a visitor to the demonstration, posted at overunity.de:

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So there is a first visit report:
  by:
  http://www.allmystery.de/fcgi/?m=mposts&user=156099

  I was there and had a look at the "demonstration or presentation".

  I'm sure none of this would-physics Nobel Prize winners, but what there at 25.04.  was shown was more than poor.
  An approximately 500 square meter hall with an approximately 4 m high pipe in a corner, from which one could infer any indefinable noises.

  On the device itself could not approach.
  Window did not exist.
  Answer: Technically not solvable.

  When asked why not the input and the output has been shown separately.
  Answer: It works, you have to believe or leave.

  With such an argument they will also lose the few customer (about 330 orders) yet.

  Basic tendency was: You have to believe it, or just leave.
  The whole has rather reminds me of a church visit.  Just believe none of it.
  It's a pity about the time you wasted with this topic.

  I'm not technically, I come from the sale.

  So a PR action, however, I have never seen.

  They have done everything so that even the last doubts of the non-functioning was eliminated.

  In our group with more than 5 persons were all more or less disappointed.

  So you can not sell anything.  There have been a few arguments be present, which can be used to convince potential buyers.

  I will not talk about technical possibilities.  The were also not addressed.

  Actually, I think it comes as many people to lure to yourself to nothing to show, and then to pocket times 40 Euro as profit the number of visitors.

  Photos could be done but of what?
  in the other corner was the first demonstration next to light a blue police lamp.
  For what was necessary or what purpose, should fulfill.  White Gaia !!!!!

  On the tube sits the compressor and motor.

  I'll see that I can later adjust images.

It works, believe or leave.

That comes through the google-translation very well, don't you think?

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2015, 09:28:40 PM »
Shirley you don't think they'll ever allow any independent testing.

I hope Stefan doesn't mind me copy-pasting this post that he made, with a quote from a visitor to the demonstration, posted at overunity.de:

It works, believe or leave.

That comes through the google-translation very well, don't you think?

TK:

Wow, that sure looks like a lot of "Meat" to me.  Probably enough "Meat" to get through next winter.

Good find.

Bill

PS  I take it that Stefan chose the latter choice of Believe or Leave.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2015, 09:58:01 PM »
have you got any MEAT to go with those potatoes...?
perhaps some independent test lab reports ??
Surely you jest.  The premise is that a wet bag of hammers magically produce free energy.  Interviews with wet hammers of distinction reveal that the hammers resent being drawn into such a scam.

There are plenty of detailed analyses on overunity.de.  In five words or less: "Gravity is a conservative field."

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2015, 09:58:01 PM »
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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2015, 10:33:54 PM »
Here are the first pictures of the Gaia KPP.

DonĀ“t you find it also strange, that these
come from a visitor and ROSCH-GAIA was not able
to post them themself ??


http://www.directupload.net/file/d/3969/l2ooeups_jpg.htm
http://www.directupload.net/file/d/3969/hzm9ff8i_jpg.htm
http://www.directupload.net/file/d/3969/u5xjt4nv_jpg.htm
http://www.directupload.net/file/d/3969/rsmgccew_jpg.htm
http://www.directupload.net/file/d/3969/o3h8ku4b_jpg.htm
http://www.directupload.net/file/d/3969/rkb9946t_jpg.htm


Seems to be probably a scam to get money from gullible people...

The orders have to be fixed at the 6th of May already before all
preorder guys have had a chance to take even a look at it...
All very fishy right now...

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2015, 10:50:04 PM »
They probably have a hidden cable again inside their Tube holder rods which are fixed to the hall walls. There they probably input the power going up to the generator sitting ontop which will again idle only with no real load and as it is about 4.5 Meters up you can not see it very well from the ground, so nobody will again see the shaking chains, that a Lenz law generator can not have at 5 KWatts load...!

( This was also the case at the Belgrade demo unit)

The only way, they could have pulled it off, if they would have a Lenz law violating generator, which would have no backdrag , but then they would not need these buoyancy floats and could just couple a good motor to this special generator and then they would just have a QMOGEN...no need for all this water floats bullshit...

The maximum theoretical possible power coming out of such a device would be around
160 Watts mechanically from the buoyancy of these floats, but not 5 KWatts ! Also it would then need more than 160 Watts for the compressor...but they claim only 100 Watts input into the compressor...very strange...

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2015, 10:53:37 PM »
Well have a look at this diagramm:

http://www.overunity.de/1797/rosch-auftriebskraftwerk-gaia-auftriebs-kraftwerk-wie-es-funktioniert/dlattach/attach/14769/

There is definately less output than input calculated by normal physics.

Here is an Excel Spreadsheet to calculate it all:
http://gaia.ws1.eu/files/berechnung-auftrieb.xls

Here is the calculation of engineer Brugmueller:
http://gaia.ws1.eu/files/Wirkungsgrad_eines_Auftriebskraftwerks_pb.pdf

Hope this helps.

There is now a first witness report who also posted these 6 pictures and he said, that Rosch-Gaia said:
"Believe in it and buy it or get lost..."

This seems to be their attitude right now...

No technical measurements allowed in this moment... maybe only at the last
day at the 6th of May and then only on certain measurement points they provide...

They even did not publish a complete picture of their system !
Sounds all very fishy...

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2015, 11:04:21 PM »
Surely you jest.  The premise is that a wet bag of hammers magically produce free energy.  Interviews with wet hammers of distinction reveal that the hammers resent being drawn into such a scam.

There are plenty of detailed analyses on overunity.de.  In five words or less: "Gravity is a conservative field."

And, of course.... "Buoyancy is nothing but gravity misspelled."

Wait... that's six words.

 :P

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2015, 11:12:05 PM »
And, of course.... "Buoyancy is nothing but gravity misspelled."

Wait... that's six words.

 :P

Buoyancy: Nothing but gravity misspelled.

There, 5 words.

Seems like Stefan has given us even more meat to go along with those potatoes.

Thanks Stefan.

Bill

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2015, 01:59:31 AM »
Hi Bill and All,
yes, I am watching this Gaia-Rosch buoyancy thing already for about half a year now.

Last year in October 2014 I was in Bregenz, Austria for this conference from Netjournal
(Adolf Schneider) to have a closer look at the 2 Meter Modell, which was powered
by batteries and never ran longer than 2 hours...(probably until the batteries needed to be recharged...)

Here you can still see my videos I took at this conference:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=overunitydotcom+Auftriebskraftwerk+GAIA+-+ROSCH


Well, we the overunity.de measurement team (  a few users from the overunity.de forum)
wanted to measure that 2 Meter modell and Rosch invited us also to do this, but they never gave us any
real date to do it and then always had an excuse to shift the dates...

so the measurements never took place although we already did a lot of preparation for it...

Anyway, we decided to wait for the 5 Meter Modell, which would only be a few days away they told
us in October, but then things got delayed and delayed, Rosch bought their new location
at Spich first and then needed to renovate it.
Then Gaia did not raise enough money for
paying Rosch and so the time went on and on....
Okay, then a mysterious TUEV Report surfaced, which was done for the 2 Meter
modell, but was never published, but only it came out up until now, that it was done
by an Italian friend of Mr. Gaedke, having worked with him at an Italian outlet
of the TUEV Saarland or so...
The TUEV Report was never published until now, but Gaia members say, it contained
only gibberish language and unreadable diagramms and strange measurements, not
showing what was really measured... so it probably was just written by somebody
who could just stamp his TUEV stamp onto it and that was it...
Rosch just wanted to have any TUEV report, also if it was bullshit, so they could claim
it was TUEV approved...

Anyway, the GAIA team ( about 20 people) travelled only to see this TUEV report from
Austria to Spich ( near Cologne in Germany) and they only saw this
paper and nothing else... then they raised the rest of the required money again
from their member fees and ordered the 500 units at Rosch of the 5 KWatts modell.

Then Rosch got these tubes delivered from a metal factory, probably the company Haslach,
which also tried to build such a KPP with 8 Meters height, but never got it to work and
resigned to do any further work with it...anyway, now Rosch in Spich got the parts at the middle of March and needed
until now to put it all together with a generator bought from China and  a mebrane air compressor pump,
probably again the ALITA AL-120  or AL-200 or AL-300 or so..
See:
http://www.alita.com/airpump/pi_100u_en.php
or
http://www.alita.com/airpump/pi_250u_en.php

And now they claim 4.8 KWatts of output, although such a device can mechanically only
deliver around maximum 150 to 200 Watts with about 100 Liters/minute air driven into the floats
at this height...

It is really all very fishy and the only question I still have is, was Gaia really scammed by Rosch or
is Gaia fully involved in this possible scam ?

Well, we will see...but it does not look good so far...

Regards, Stefan.

 

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