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Author Topic: I actually need an answer ?  (Read 14803 times)

Offline Megaverse

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I actually need an answer ?
« on: February 12, 2009, 05:48:21 PM »
I'm looking for the name of the company who runs the generators (or who OWNS them them actually) for phones line when there's a blackout ?

ever notice your phone works when there's a blackout ? that 70 volt has to come from somewhere and i've heard of a company who are looking for guys like us that will come with new ideas of how to generate some current and so i would like to take a chance and try them.

I live in Québec / canada but it's possible that it's a damn american company since they're invading everywhere ! anyway for that specific cathegorie i wouldn't mind working for americans.

Thanks you in advanced and if you know the answer for your local place and it's not mine you could tell anyway it might help someone else, bye

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I actually need an answer ?
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Offline jadaro2600

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Re: I actually need an answer ?
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2009, 03:12:07 AM »
Those crazy boxes with all the wires and tele-connects have batteries in them.  It's batteries that keep the phones online when the power goes out - after all, the linemen had to use something to communicate with the operations center.

Phonelines developed independently of the transmission lines.  They're on seperate systems unless you've moved into some newer neighborhood where the power company has a monopoly.

If you phone line is carrying 70 volts, there's something wrong with it.  It should be only 35 or so, and that's still high.

Voltages are maintained durring outages with batteries; the systems would otherwise require rebooting and what-not - they're esentially computerized switches now days.

Offline Megaverse

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Re: I actually need an answer ?
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2009, 03:21:09 PM »
wow thanks jarado2600 for this amount of information, though i have a friend who has been approched by such a company ? you think he was lying ? what he told me is their job is to keep theses lines alive when there's no power ? so maybe they are the batteries owners ? well i wouldn't be too much surprised if he lied but he really didn't have any purpous to do so.

and for the 70 volt information i took this info there..: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoaLGvJkoP8

it was bettween 40 to 70 volt ...well in his opignion.

(so in bref you think there's no company behind this ? that the phone lines are maintained only by the phone company or maybe an affilate of the same nature ?)

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Offline Tempest

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Re: I actually need an answer ?
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2009, 05:55:09 PM »
Most likely they have a very large UPS system with diesel generator as a back up. The company that I work for has a UPS system the size of the first floor of my house. The room has over a hundred glass housed lead acid batteries with two units for switching to battery power and switching the generator on. At the company that I work for it is used for computer power back up.

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Re: I actually need an answer ?
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2009, 06:51:16 PM »

For the central telephone companies those very large Common DC Batteries
have always been part of business of supplying telephone service. They
are probably backed up by standard large diesel engine generator sets.
Those generators take a long time to start up, but then can be run
continuously by simply getting another tanker truck load of diesel fuel if
need be, in an emergency.

On the other end, the business Private Branch Exchanges PBX operating
electronically and even user telephone equipment requires some
form of standard UPS in the event of a primary power system failure.

The telephone company doesn't function as UPS because telphone
lines have a 600 ohm impedance at best. Only enough power is
available for telephone audio and signaling, but it still needs to
(has always) come from the central telephone office.

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Offline jadaro2600

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Re: I actually need an answer ?
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2009, 10:38:48 PM »
@all:

I think you missed my point; the central office may have a diesel backup; each telephone switching station ( large boxes on the side of the road ) has a battery backup system in it - this is part of why they are so large, additionally, they somtimes share services with other utilities, such as underground electric and / or cable.  When these other utilities go out, they can / could use phones to turn on or off circuits that were previously damaged.

Don't confuse these with the ground transformers, they usually say high voltage on the sides of them and , if you're chancy enough to go sit on one, it usually vibrates because of the AC electricity flowing through it.  Telephone switches are located, mainly at the ends of neighborhoods or the corners of roads ( where they can easily be hit by cars, ironically - costing up to $150k if they're destroyed ), they usually don't buzz, for one, and are pretty clear about who owns them - being labled and what not.  Either one way or another - stay away from them.  It's not wise to be near either, gawking at one or another what with all this 9-11 crap.

Either way - what happens, is that there is a voltage drop across the line when a phone call comes in, and the reciever picks this up and starts to ring.  All call going from one box to another are digital now, it the signal from the box to your house that';s a combination of digital and analog ( voice ).  The wierd thing about the lines are that the one going to your house can usually carry up to 6 analog lines, so it has 12 conductors.  But, if you were to get all 6 hooked up and simultaneously subcsribe to commercial grade DSL - you could get something like 18 megabits downstream and 1.5 or 3 megabits upstream - which is insane for a single house.

In either case though, the boxes which take care of the digital to digital links between boxes are controlled by microprocessors that have to be on all the time - hence each one needs to have it's own supply of electricity - usually a battery in the case of AC outages - otherwise it's just working off of regular power grid being converted to DC and then controlled from there.

The interesting part is when the information goes long distance - they usually use Tesla's technology - wireless transmission with microwaves.  There is a thread on the forum about Avramenko and Tesla single wire transmission of electricity.  In this instance, conical collectors and emitters are set up at the sending and recieving stations and a single wire is run between them as would a normal transmission line would, instead, it's launching microwaves onto the wire and sending electricity via this mechanism.

Microwave towers do this without a wire - they're being outmoded where they can - they're usually just use to transmitt info across mountian ranges or where lines couldn't be burried easily.  All else is on the fiberoptic network - which usually gets burried beside the railroad or along side gas pipelines.

Our infrastructure is jumbled like this because of right-of-way issues - they could be damaged, more than one utility taken off line by car accident or what-not.  Sorry I have no solutions for preventing such a calamity, especially when there is a universality of utilites with regard to right-of-way issues.

Offline Megaverse

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« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2009, 04:31:04 PM »
Wow err ok ! So in bref no one knows if there is an independent company or affiliates (doesn't matter) that their goal is to always find news ways to make electricity to keep those damn lines up 24/24 7/7 ?

about what everyone here is trying to do ...the dream job in bref ? that's what i was looking for, to at least know if it existed, then i'll do something about it. but knowing one over there in the US while i'm living in Quebec ??? not sure it will help at all.

So i think it's better to let that thread die even though it was really interesting !


Thank you all again, i've learned alot and "off topic" if anyone has an old metal spinning top that you have to push down on the handle to make it turn, could you open it and take a photo of the interior and post it please i need an exact plan of it so if i can just see the mechanism in it on the photo it should be enough for my presentation ...thanks in advanced.

Sincerely,

Megaverse

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Offline Megaverse

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Re: I actually need an answer ?
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2009, 10:06:48 PM »
err nevermind the last request i got one from the flee market, thanks ;D

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Re: I actually need an answer ?
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2009, 10:27:21 PM »
LOL,

Well, do you mind taking it apart and posting a picture; now i'm curious too.

As for the company your asking about; it would really be an indie company; most likely specialist near retirement or a consultancy agency.  As for names, I don't really know of any - they are rare finds - that is, people that know these kinds of things with certainty.

I don't know of any company that specializes in keeping phone lines active when power goes out other than the phone company itself - have you tried a general inquiry?

One time, I wired the entire house for DSL filtering - so that there weren't dsl dongles all over the house, and when the crew came up and saw all my handy work in the box, they rewired everything - filtering was already available in the corporate side of the outside wall box - don't I feel stupid.   ..but these guys were older, it looked like they knew what they were doing - of course it's rather suspicious that two of them were old, and that it took two of them to do the job.  Or the fact that two of them were sent at all - usually the work of one man, after all, I had done that stuff on my own.

By the way, if you're in the US, you can and do have the right to access the consumer side of the phone box, it's not locked and it not illegal - after all, they have to switch services on from somewhere else anyway...it's nothing like cable.

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Offline Megaverse

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Re: I actually need an answer ?
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2009, 01:12:37 AM »
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Well, do you mind taking it apart and posting a picture; now i'm curious too.

hmm ok i hope people don't mind too much of the off topic i'll post 4 image i took without ripping it apart. you'll see it's quite deceiving. I really would need to break it (break the little 1cm dia. shaft in the middle) to see anything and even then lol i think it would be ruined so since my children are playing with it i'll let it like that for now and i'll open it in a week or 2 ...

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By the way, if you're in the US, you can and do have the right to access the consumer side of the phone box

and no i'm in quebec ...here it's quite different and you can barely do anything. it may not be against the law to play or at least open the boxes but you'll never see anyone play with it that's for sure, lol.
probably because 1) no one knows and 2)no one knows what the hell they are hahaha.


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have you tried a general inquiry?

Ohh yes i've tried the general inquiry from the cusumer services and they reffered me to the repair services so i called them and they didn't even know that it worked with electricity AND they reffered me back to consumer services ???>:(???


Sincerely,

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Re: I actually need an answer ?
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2009, 01:55:36 AM »
and no i'm in quebec ...here it's quite different and you can barely do anything. it may not be against the law to play or at least open the boxes but you'll never see anyone play with it that's for sure, lol.
probably because 1) no one knows and 2)no one knows what the hell they are hahaha.

Here in the states, the telcos have access boxes on the side of the house - each with a consumer and telco access side, where consumers or electricians can access the box via one side, and the telco can get to the other side of the box.

Ohh yes i've tried the general inquiry from the cusumer services and they reffered me to the repair services so i called them and they didn't even know that it worked with electricity AND they reffered me back to consumer services ???>:(???

Holy smoke friend, you've got one screwy telco there.  Might be better to call a local technical or trade school and see if they know anything.  I live in the 'deep south' ..calling is usually pointless - you have to go in person to get answers - at the school that is.  Generally, they have answers; you'll want to talk to someone who specialized in low voltage wiring - I think.

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Offline Megaverse

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Re: I actually need an answer ?
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2009, 05:05:18 AM »
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you have to go in person to get answers - at the school that is.  Generally, they have answers; you'll want to talk to someone who specialized in low voltage wiring - I think

now that's a good idea ...where do you get answers ? at school of course, lol i'll check for that.

And just for future references if anyone is from my corner of the earth the phone company that is completly retarded around here is Bell and their internet services is called Sympatico witch is completly crappy and don't even start me on their consumer services ...actually we shouldn't even call it a service it's a mental institution hahaha.


thanks again jarado2600 your an awesome source of genuine information.
do you work on anything that involves free energy ? (a reason at all for being here ?) anyway if it's the case i think we should continue in PM or else the whinners will come and harass us for changing topic ? why ? i don't know there must be dumbasses here like there are an idiot in all villages; bush has been elected 2 times after all hahaha.

Offline jadaro2600

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Re: I actually need an answer ?
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2009, 06:05:26 AM »
And just for future references if anyone is from my corner of the earth the phone company that is completly retarded around here is Bell and their internet services is called Sympatico witch is completly crappy and don't even start me on their consumer services ...actually we shouldn't even call it a service it's a mental institution hahaha.

A Canadian telco with a spanish name which means sympathetic!~?

Offline Megaverse

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Re: I actually need an answer ?
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2009, 02:47:44 PM »
I though it was more pathetic than sympathetic lol but i'm no good with spanish hahahaha.

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Re: I actually need an answer ?
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2009, 08:11:13 PM »
I've finally opened the spinning top to see a really decieving result... see the photo by yourself.


 

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