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Author Topic: Slowing or reversing a KWH meter.  (Read 16840 times)

pomodoro

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Slowing or reversing a KWH meter.
« on: April 12, 2015, 02:39:55 PM »
Can a device plugged into the mains, slow or even reverse the rotation of the disk in the power meter to your house?  A passive device that is, not a generator, solar panel etc etc.  I heard such circuits exist but could never figure one out.

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Re: Slowing or reversing a KWH meter.
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2015, 05:51:53 PM »
Can a device plugged into the mains, slow or even reverse the rotation of the disk in the power meter to your house?  A passive device that is, not a generator, solar panel etc etc.  I heard such circuits exist but could never figure one out.

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Yes, That is what the following thread is about.

http://www.overunity.com/14607/cop-20-00-2000-times-reactive-power-energy-source-generator/

Obviously, it is very mathematics intensive.

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It turns out that all instruments have limited electronic bandwidth. If you can design a signal generator that has a higher bandwidth
than the instrument, then you can *always* fool the instrument into giving erroneous readings of whatever you want. You do this by
synthesizing the signal you want the instrument to see, in it's input leads.

The electromechanical utility meter was a good example of this because it's bandwidth response was limited by it's electromagnetic
motor characteristics. One reason for pushing for a more modern all electronic utility meter is that the bandwidth can be raised
to listen to much higher frequencies locally and special routines could be added to detect local funny business if necessary.

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Rather than rotating the meter backwards which is rather obvious, they strive to have the meter read significantly less than what
is actually being taken. So then they can use or resell the excess taken in a more legitimate fashion.





Magluvin

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Re: Slowing or reversing a KWH meter.
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2015, 03:10:51 AM »
Can a device plugged into the mains, slow or even reverse the rotation of the disk in the power meter to your house?  A passive device that is, not a generator, solar panel etc etc.  I heard such circuits exist but could never figure one out.

Yeah, I would stay away from that sort of idea. The new digital meters send info back to base on usage. From what I have read, these meters can tell if you are using a pc, or a laptop, or even how many.

Read an article recently about phone chargers. Some are now being manufactured with key loggers that pick up wireless keyboards.

Now, if there are key loggers in some phone chargers, how is that info extracted? By someone outside the house with a receiver? Is it your wonderful, 'smart' cell phone?  Or is it your smart meter???  ;)

The depths that they will go to to get your info.


New bill aims to make 'smart' meters mandatory for entire nation

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Re: Slowing or reversing a KWH meter.
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2015, 04:53:22 AM »
I don't have a smart meter over here.  Years ago, I saw some videos on youtube that demonstrated how to slow the meter when spinning using very strong neos.  My understanding is that aluminum disk turns by diamagnetic action, or something like that.  Using 2 very strong (very, very strong) large neos I was able to duplicate what was shown in the video for a few seconds purely for scientific testing purposes.

I do not recommend that anyone else try this at home as it would be stealing.

As a matter of fact, possibly I dreamed that I did this and never did actually try it.  Possibly, I only thought about trying it.

Bill

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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2015, 11:08:21 AM »
A lot of smart meters use Rogowski air coils that are unaffected by bias.  Others use regular current transformers which can be biased into saturation.  It is a pretty safe bet that if one's reported power consumption takes a sudden and protracted drop that the utility will eventually roll a truck to find out why.  When the technician's screwdriver flies out of his hand to the neo magnet used to cheat the meter it is not going to be pleasant for the homeowner.

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Re: Slowing or reversing a KWH meter.
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2015, 02:08:45 PM »



   If you're at your WITTS end with utility bills why not build a QEG?
    All I can do is HOPE you can get it working!

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« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2015, 03:09:50 AM »


   If you're at your WITTS end with utility bills why not build a QEG?
    All I can do is HOPE you can get it working!

Nice.

Well done, ha ha.

Bill

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« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2015, 03:17:54 AM »
A lot of smart meters use Rogowski air coils that are unaffected by bias.  Others use regular current transformers which can be biased into saturation.  It is a pretty safe bet that if one's reported power consumption takes a sudden and protracted drop that the utility will eventually roll a truck to find out why.  When the technician's screwdriver flies out of his hand to the neo magnet used to cheat the meter it is not going to be pleasant for the homeowner.

Totally agree with you.  When I first moved into this apt. about 8 years ago, and had the electric turned on, the elect. company gave me (at my request) the past year's billings for the apt.  It was well over $100/month, every month.

So, I move in and my first month's bill was about $30.  I begin using all of my JT lights and going about my business and it dropped to $22.  I was awakened by the sound of a truck (I worked nights then) and saw the electric company replacing my meter.  I went out and asked about it and they told me there was a problem with it.  The next month my bill was $19 for the month.  They came back and were making some tests with the meter.  Since then, I have not seen them.  We have had huge rate increases so my bill is a bit higher now but, yes, as you can see, if there is a drastic or even sort of large usage change (using LESS power) for an address, they will be out looking into it.

I was doing nothing wrong so I had nothing to worry about, I just thought it was funny.

Bill

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Re: Slowing or reversing a KWH meter.
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2015, 10:04:12 AM »
Can a device plugged into the mains, slow or even reverse the rotation of the disk in the power meter to your house?  A passive device that is, not a generator, solar panel etc etc.  I heard such circuits exist but could never figure one out.
Maybe.  There was a file circulating on the net that described how to do it - see the attachment below. 

I have never tried it but it seems to have much higher chance of success with the electromechanical energy meters than the newer electronic ones.

If it works for you - let us know.

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Re: Slowing or reversing a KWH meter.
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2015, 10:25:20 AM »
Hi,
This method will reverse your old meter. Some meters might count also the reverse rotation also, BUT if you're smart enough, you can equalize the amps that go reverse the meter and the actual ampers used by you...That's stealing, so I'am not gonna get deep into it...

TIP FOR EVERYONE ON THIS FORUM: Look very carefully on this schematic, and check the Barbosa-Leal schematic about free energy;If you're smart enough you can make the electrons come from ground... LISTEN TO CLARENCE ADVICES!!!

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Re: Slowing or reversing a KWH meter.
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2015, 10:34:44 AM »
Totally agree with you.  When I first moved into this apt. about 8 years ago, and had the electric turned on, the elect. company gave me (at my request) the past year's billings for the apt.  It was well over $100/month, every month.

So, I move in and my first month's bill was about $30.  I begin using all of my JT lights and going about my business and it dropped to $22.  I was awakened by the sound of a truck (I worked nights then) and saw the electric company replacing my meter.  I went out and asked about it and they told me there was a problem with it.  The next month my bill was $19 for the month.  They came back and were making some tests with the meter.  Since then, I have not seen them.  We have had huge rate increases so my bill is a bit higher now but, yes, as you can see, if there is a drastic or even sort of large usage change (using LESS power) for an address, they will be out looking into it.

I was doing nothing wrong so I had nothing to worry about, I just thought it was funny.

Bill
At least they did not demand that you start using more electricity.

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Re: Slowing or reversing a KWH meter.
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2015, 10:36:59 AM »
Hi,
This method will reverse your old meter. Some meters might count also the reverse rotation also, BUT if you're smart enough, you can equalize the amps that go reverse the meter and the actual ampers used by you...That's stealing, so I'am not gonna get deep into it...

TIP FOR EVERYONE ON THIS FORUM: Look very carefully on this schematic, and check the Barbosa-Leal schematic about free energy;If you're smart enough you can make the electrons come from ground... LISTEN TO CLARENCE ADVICES!!!
That scheme defeats the meter as well as shorts the the meter output to neutral through the transformer resistance and leakage inductance.  No power will be available to your home and the wires will get very, very hot.

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Re: Slowing or reversing a KWH meter.
« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2015, 10:52:42 AM »
All you are doing aside from wasting some electricity in the transformer is bypassing the meter, which is illegal.

As you say this is totally illegal; In fact the topic is about stealing electricity, but if you read carefully what I said before you would found that this wasn't my intention. I just wanted to guide everyone to check the Barbosa topic, to do something useful with their time...Not to think about stealing... Steal electrons from ground if you want (that's not illegal)

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Re: Slowing or reversing a KWH meter.
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2015, 10:56:52 AM »
As you say this is totally illegal; In fact the topic is about stealing electricity, but if you read carefully what I said before you would found that this wasn't my intention. I just wanted to guide everyone to check the Barbosa topic, to do something useful with their time...Not to think about stealing... Steal electrons from ground if you want (that's not illegal)
In this case you can't use what you steal.  It only heats the wiring ahead of the wiring in your house.  The meter current sense shunt appears directly across the secondary of your transformer, shorting it.  That allows HUGE currents to flow through the primary.  The meter will not register those currents, but those huge currents will make all the wiring very, very hot and drop the voltage available to your house. 

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« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2015, 11:11:46 AM »
In this case you can't use what you steal.  It only heats the wiring ahead of the wiring in your house.  The meter current sense shunt appears directly across the secondary of your transformer, shorting it.  That allows HUGE currents to flow through the primary.  The meter will not register those currents, but those huge currents will make all the wiring very, very hot and drop the voltage available to your house.

Only the red lines are getting hot. The meter's principle is very easy, for example you use 100W, that's 0,45A, the meter's registering 220V at 0,45A, simple for now. The device works in this way: the meter's registering 2.5A(Example) at 220V, that means 550W. And if you have a load of 550W(Heater, Computer, etc) the power measured by your meter would be 0W