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Author Topic: Is Newton's Law At Risk?  (Read 26052 times)

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Is Newton's Law At Risk?
« on: April 12, 2015, 03:50:41 AM »
Here's a video showing a crude replication of Linevitch's patent, suggesting it may be possible to create a torque on a generator without a counter torque on the prime mover.

Also note, Prof. Karanev's modification of E.I. Linevitch's patent uses an electronically controlled clutch that increases the transfer efficiency exponentially!

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Is Newton's Law At Risk?
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Re: Is Newton's Law At Risk?
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2015, 04:36:27 AM »
Here's a video showing a crude replication of Linevitch's patent, suggesting it may be possible to create a torque on a generator without a counter torque on the prime mover.

Also note, Prof. Karanev's modification of E.I. Linevitch's patent uses an electronically controlled clutch that increases the transfer efficiency exponentially!

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Looks great, did you get any OU?

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Re: Is Newton's Law At Risk?
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2015, 06:33:53 AM »
Looks great, did you get any OU?


The video of the OP was done by Laurence (whoopyjump), and is the only replication I can find on the internet of Karanev's work.  According to my research, Kanarev is using custom electronic clutches from 135o to 180o to overcome any negative torque to reach the efficiencies as shown in the below image.


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Re: Is Newton's Law At Risk?
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Re: Is Newton's Law At Risk?
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Re: Is Newton's Law At Risk?
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Re: Is Newton's Law At Risk?
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2015, 04:39:17 AM »
One could add an additional generator to the left of the motor with a properly orientated one way bearing to capture both the forward and reverse motions without any appearant counter torque.  The left generator can capture the forward motion and the right generator can capture the reverse motion.


Nobody has tried to debunk this yet,....hmmm.....interesting!


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Re: Is Newton's Law At Risk?
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2015, 05:30:08 AM »
I think Vince on this forum built similar machine.

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Re: Is Newton's Law At Risk?
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2015, 09:19:00 AM »
I think Vince on this forum built similar machine.

I don't think you correctly understand the basic working principles and concepts of whoopy's replication.  The motor isn't inducing the net torque on the flywheel.  The net torque on the flywheel is induced by the inertia of the unbalanced gears!

Please study the motionless axis (#6 in the below image and the snapshot in the video by Whoopy).  The unbalanced gears induces an oscillation, and the oscillations causes the motionless axis to oscillate the pulley which it sits on, transferring a net torque to the flywheel via the rope.  The rope/string has no net movement itself, and this is a clear indication that there is no counter torque on the prime mover or motor, thus a violation of Newton's third law.

This is an inertial drive!  Please show me a working inertial drive built on this forum which is similar to the machine found in the video of the OP.

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Re: Is Newton's Law At Risk?
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2015, 04:49:33 PM »
I don't think you correctly understand the basic working principles and concepts of whoopy's replication.  The motor isn't inducing the net torque on the flywheel.  The net torque on the flywheel is induced by the inertia of the unbalanced gears!

Please study the motionless axis (#6 in the below image and the snapshot in the video by Whoopy).  The unbalanced gears induces an oscillation, and the oscillations causes the motionless axis to oscillate the pulley which it sits on, transferring a net torque to the flywheel via the rope.  The rope/string has no net movement itself, and this is a clear indication that there is no counter torque on the prime mover or motor, thus a violation of Newton's third law.

This is an inertial drive!  Please show me a working inertial drive built on this forum which is similar to the machine found in the video of the OP.

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This sounds interesting - I didn't have the time yet to study  papers you referred to.
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Re: Is Newton's Law At Risk?
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Re: Is Newton's Law At Risk?
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2015, 05:16:26 PM »
I don't think you correctly understand the basic working principles and concepts of whoopy's replication.  The motor isn't inducing the net torque on the flywheel.  The net torque on the flywheel is induced by the inertia of the unbalanced gears!

Please study the motionless axis (#6 in the below image and the snapshot in the video by Whoopy).  The unbalanced gears induces an oscillation, and the oscillations causes the motionless axis to oscillate the pulley which it sits on, transferring a net torque to the flywheel via the rope.  The rope/string has no net movement itself, and this is a clear indication that there is no counter torque on the prime mover or motor, thus a violation of Newton's third law.

This is an inertial drive!  Please show me a working inertial drive built on this forum which is similar to the machine found in the video of the OP.

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I understand it completely. If you're right about the oscillation is the only reason why the CD-motor spins, you don't need a motor at all. You could just make a gear between the two purple flywheels and start spinning it by hand and released them. They would then power the CD-motor with its frictional loss forever. However, that will not happen. If you try it you will soon enough understand that you are some how mislead to think this is OU.
When you load an oscillation system, the initially 180 degree phase shift between inertia and movement will reduce to less than 180 degrees. Therfor this oscillation system will stop oscillate.


A good demonstration of this is to be found in my video here. As soon as I load the oscillation the wheel stop sooner:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vV3RAL-SWjc


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Re: Is Newton's Law At Risk?
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2015, 04:39:23 AM »
I understand it completely. If you're right about the oscillation is the only reason why the CD-motor spins, you don't need a motor at all. You could just make a gear between the two purple flywheels and start spinning it by hand and released them. They would then power the CD-motor with its frictional loss forever.

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Apparently you don't understand. There already is a gear between the two purple flywheels.

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Re: Is Newton's Law At Risk?
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Re: Is Newton's Law At Risk?
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2015, 06:57:29 AM »
We can replace the one way bearing with a scrollerwheel.  A scrollerwheel doesn't have the kinetic friction inherent in most mechanical bearings.  We can then convert the full reciprocating motion of the motionless axis by attaching a mechanical arm to it and the scollerwheel, or to one of the rollers inside the scrollerwheel.  This also eliminates the rope/chain and the friction associated with it.


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Scrollerwheel, http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrollerwheel


Scroller Mechanics, http://erikbrinkman.com/Scroller/Home.html


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Re: Is Newton's Law At Risk?
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2015, 07:16:59 AM »
We can replace the one way bearing with a scrollerwheel.  A scrollerwheel doesn't have the kinetic friction inherent in most mechanical bearings.  We can then convert the full reciprocating motion of the motionless axis by attaching a mechanical arm to it and the scollerwheel, or to one of the rollers inside the scrollerwheel.  This also eliminates the rope/chain and the friction associated with it.
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According to Linevich's publication on page 4, Newton's third doesn't apply in this case (because: action is always equal to counteraction along one general straight line and is not distributed to a perpendicular direction).

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Re: Is Newton's Law At Risk?
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2015, 07:30:15 AM »
While we're at it, let's replace the two unbalanced purple gears with two unbalanced scrollerwheels to eliminate nearly all of the kinetic friction of the device.


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Re: Is Newton's Law At Risk?
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2015, 07:42:16 AM »
By using the scroller wheels, eliminating the rope/chain and nearly all of the kinetic friction in the device, along with converting all of the reciprocating motion to rotary motion, we may achieve higher efficiencies than the electronically controlled customized clutch used by Karanev!


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