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Author Topic: Gadolinium Magnet Generator.  (Read 91766 times)


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Re: Gadolinium Magnet Generator.
« Reply #180 on: April 23, 2015, 10:21:53 AM »

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Re: Gadolinium Magnet Generator.
« Reply #181 on: April 29, 2015, 11:15:05 AM »
So what's the latest developments ekim.what's going down with the coins

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Re: Gadolinium Magnet Generator.
« Reply #182 on: April 29, 2015, 02:14:48 PM »
Well, nothing really.  I have kinda lost interest in this because I think it's a dead end.  But I still plan to do your experiment, I will commit to doing it this weekend.

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Re: Gadolinium Magnet Generator.
« Reply #182 on: April 29, 2015, 02:14:48 PM »
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Re: Gadolinium Magnet Generator.
« Reply #183 on: April 29, 2015, 03:30:17 PM »
There's 2 experiments that I highly doubt will end in a dead-end if done with sufficient tweaking ekim.those 2 are the classical smot experiment and the classical backspike electromagnetic experiment but ok let's see what you can do with the coins since they're not exactly ideal shape for many experiments

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Re: Gadolinium Magnet Generator.
« Reply #184 on: May 01, 2015, 06:48:08 PM »
The demonstrated effect of de-coupling Gadolinium from a ferrite magnet by "Hairdryer" opens the possibility of a magnetic gate shielded magnetically on the exit end. Heating the Gadolinium to just the right point is not costly to sustain. Meir Alfasi appears to gain in acceleration through the gate this way in his water video.

The cost to power a Gadolinium rotor by "Hairdryer" coupled to a tail end magnet shield could be Overunity.

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Re: Gadolinium Magnet Generator.
« Reply #184 on: May 01, 2015, 06:48:08 PM »
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Re: Gadolinium Magnet Generator.
« Reply #185 on: May 01, 2015, 07:01:47 PM »
I daresay I've got a similar idea mr synchro.in order to prove ou we need just one cycle demonstrated at a gain.we put the coin on a table or in a jar of water at just below curie point.we slowly bring a weak magnet close to the stationary coin from ONTOP.when the magnet gets close enough,bang,the coin flings onto it.the collision generates just enough heat to raise the temp of the coin above the curie and plonk,it falls right back dowwwnnnn.to where it began.one overunity cycle

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Re: Gadolinium Magnet Generator.
« Reply #186 on: May 01, 2015, 07:09:11 PM »
The demonstrated effect of de-coupling Gadolinium from a ferrite magnet by "Hairdryer" opens the possibility of a magnetic gate shielded magnetically on the exit end. Heating the Gadolinium to just the right point is not costly to sustain. Meir Alfasi appears to gain in acceleration through the gate this way in his water video.

The cost to power a Gadolinium rotor by "Hairdryer" coupled to a tail end magnet shield could be Overunity.

Yes, but the fact that I cannot repeat that with a neo might mean something else is happening.  GD is attracted more strongly to neo than ferrite.  You cannot get GD to drop off a neo, no matter what temp.  I believe this means that when GD is heated, GD passes from ferromagnetic to paramagnetic SEAMLESSLY.  There is no point at which GD is non-magnetic.  But it is very strongly paramagnetic above it's Curie.  Uniquely so. 

So, my interpretation of what is happening in the GD-ferrite magnet-hairdryer experiment is:  the GD sticks to the ferrite below it's curie.  the hairdryer heats it past it's curie at which point it becomes paramagnetic.  In it's paramagnetic state, it is still attracted to the ferrite, but much more weakly and so it drops off, making it look like something magic is happening.  But if this was the case, the experiment would also work with a neo.  It does not.

My uneducated guess is that the Curie Point and Paramagnetism must have some relationship.  The lower the Curie Point of a material, the stronger the paramagnetic state.  The higher the Curie Point, the weaker the paramagnetic state.  There is a give and take that evens things out making any net gain impossible.





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Re: Gadolinium Magnet Generator.
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Re: Gadolinium Magnet Generator.
« Reply #187 on: May 01, 2015, 07:24:44 PM »
Another idea is to shove a coin in a plastic groove rail which allows it to move only edgeways backward/forward.shove two bar magnets on eitherside and make that coin SMOTforward and fling.fling out of the magnets' field of influence.compare distance of breakaway of gadolinum to distance of breakaway of nickel.integrate relative magnetic susceptabilities/densities of the two metals vs distance FLUNG.

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Re: Gadolinium Magnet Generator.
« Reply #188 on: May 01, 2015, 07:29:50 PM »
I daresay I've got a similar idea mr synchro.in order to prove ou we need just one cycle demonstrated at a gain.we put the coin on a table or in a jar of water at just below curie point.we slowly bring a weak magnet close to the stationary coin from ONTOP.when the magnet gets close enough,bang,the coin flings onto it.the collision generates just enough heat to raise the temp of the coin above the curie and plonk,it falls right back dowwwnnnn.to where it began.one overunity cycle

Thought that too.  Thought it would be very simple to make a pendulum that would operate similarly.  But - a neo just grabs it and holds it.  a ferrite WILL NOT raise the temp of the GD enough to make the effect a reality.  It just doesn't work the way we are thinking it will.

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Re: Gadolinium Magnet Generator.
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Re: Gadolinium Magnet Generator.
« Reply #189 on: May 01, 2015, 07:35:27 PM »
Quote ekim'a ferrite WILL NOT
raise the temp of the GD enough'

It will if we controll the temperature of the environment and keep it at just the critical temp of release.I'm thinking of a pendulum under some water perhaps that is kept stable via fishtank-heater?

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Re: Gadolinium Magnet Generator.
« Reply #190 on: May 01, 2015, 07:48:37 PM »
Quote ekim'a ferrite WILL NOT
raise the temp of the GD enough'

It will if we controll the temperature of the environment and keep it at just the critical temp of release.I'm thinking of a pendulum under some water perhaps that is kept stable via fishtank-heater?

Yeah, that's an interesting idea.  For sure, if there is something to be exploited, it will depend on very precise control of ambient temperature.  The water may not be necessary, just encapsulating the rig and controlling the air temp might be enough.

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Re: Gadolinium Magnet Generator.
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Re: Gadolinium Magnet Generator.
« Reply #191 on: May 01, 2015, 07:57:37 PM »
If you have a way to controll airtemp then yes(a sauna-room?greenhouse?)but I'm thinking water will be easier.water has a lovely tendency to hold heat(high heat capacity)

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Re: Gadolinium Magnet Generator.
« Reply #192 on: May 01, 2015, 08:42:02 PM »

Quote ekim'a ferrite WILL NOT
raise the temp of the GD enough'

It will if we controll the temperature of the environment and keep it at just the critical temp of release.I'm thinking of a pendulum under some water perhaps that is kept stable via fishtank-heater?


One of those papers on the internet discloses using a scientific instrument that is essentially a "hotplate" that is driven
by *Peltier* devices such that it allows adjustment of the plate temperature +/- through room temperature. One could
create a ridge of two different temperatures that essentially *forces* the Gd through its state transitions then experimentally
- slowly drop the forcing temperature away while keeping the primary temperature range "in a groove".

I favor these type experiments rather skullduggery then because it is very difficult to get your head around the magnitude
of magnetic, mechanical, thermal momentum or thermal energy ranges with any degree of accuracy, especially enough to
project any accurate functionality out of it.

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Re: Gadolinium Magnet Generator.
« Reply #193 on: May 01, 2015, 09:05:15 PM »
Another thing, People are forgetting that if you want an adjustable magnetic field one can use an electromagnet
from one or two identical solenoids. There will be a heat pulse but one can isolate that. People seem to think that
since we are doing overunity experiments they must have all of or intermediate experiments overunity of permanent
magnets and then overlook the strength controllability of electromagnets.


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Re: Gadolinium Magnet Generator.
« Reply #194 on: May 03, 2015, 10:44:00 PM »
Quote from ekimtoor1: "But - a neo just grabs it and holds it".

At :40 seconds into this video JLN stresses how important perfect alignment is between North and South.

The ferrite torrid coil needs to be centered exactly between the two magnet poles to achieve the "Orbo" release effect:

The gap needs to be precisely controlled as well!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTMQFvWkS9s

The Gadolinium sample needs to be precisely positioned between two opposite poles of two neo magnets and separated by a gap to react to the change in Curie point just like JLN'S ferrite toroid coil does to applied voltage. Exact distance and balance are critical. The "Magnetocaloric effect" might be sufficient to raise the temperature of the Gadolinium in that "Goldilocks Zone" to release the rotor stud.

Positioned at just the right distance equidistant and away from each magnet pole, the hairdryer should get the Gadolinium to act just like it does with the ferrite. A string and two neo cylinders facing N and S out can suspend the Gadolinium at 45ยบ for testing.

 

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