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Title: Overunity by unbalanced shielding of the magnetic field
Post by: andreas_varesi on April 17, 2005, 12:55:07 AM
I did some experiments with a large number of strongest Neodym magnets but couldn't manage to get the smallest overunity effect.
My idea was quite simple, I tried to shield the magnetic field of Neodym magnets to reach an unbalance between the force which pulls the magnet wheel towards a fixed magnet and the force which pushes it away from another fixed magnet with opposed polarity. Therefore I used diamagnetic graphite and sheet iron to shield the magnetic field. With a magnetic pendulum I could show, that the power of the magnetic field decreased where I placed the shield. But the wheel didn't run like a wind mill. I was very confused and tried to eliminate any kind of friction but always I had the same result. After nearly the same number of rotations like a similar, non magnetic wheel the movement stopped. In my frustration I used iron powder to visualize the streamlines of the field. What I found was very disillusioning, the streamlines of the field had only been deformed but in sum their number was constant. At the edge to the shield material, the density of streamlines was very high, behind the shield there where less streamlines. So I couldn't create any kind of net unbalance between the push and pull forces. Maybe I did something wrong, but I have no more idea how I can achieve overunity from magnets. :'(


Perhaps someone here can solve the problem.


Regards

Andreas Varesi
Title: Re: Overunity by unbalanced shielding of the magnetic field
Post by: norman6538 on April 26, 2005, 01:18:34 PM
Well this is what I have been saying all along. If we knew what magnets were we would not even be having this discussion. I have said that they are very symetrical - meaning that all you can do is adjust or distort symetry.
Another freeky thing I found is I had a nice rotating sequence of magnets working about 270 degrees and I glued another sequence in, then next morning what worked the night before stopped working in the morning.

Norman
Title: Re: Overunity by unbalanced shielding of the magnetic field
Post by: drsquires on May 05, 2005, 07:32:03 PM
It is possiible to do, but very, very tricky.  Consider force vectors and the direction
they point.  If all are tangential or circumferential you will always get a net of zero
and no rotation.   The drag force vectors must have a portion ( or all) their force
vectors redirected somehow to be radial or axial and the boost force vectors left
to be tangential or circumferential.    All forces are still conservative just not
acting plus and minus directly against each other cancelling out.  Then you can
get a net torque.  It is not easy because nature will try to find a way to prevent it.

Keep trying,
Dave Squires
Title: Re: Overunity by unbalanced shielding of the magnetic field
Post by: andreas_varesi on May 12, 2005, 10:10:08 PM
Hi drsquires,

your suggestion sounds quite interesting. Do you have already build such a machine that really works??? I'm very keen on your results.

Regards
Andreas