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Offline Jimboot

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Re: Magnetic Engine Video
« Reply #75 on: March 27, 2015, 10:49:58 AM »
Maybe his teacher was referring to Teslas quote


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Re: Magnetic Engine Video
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Re: Magnetic Engine Video
« Reply #76 on: March 27, 2015, 11:11:50 AM »
Sorry for the interruption , I've never seen TKs' video could somebody provide a link please?
Thanks artv

You tube link .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q21CjmPV8fg



Reply #584 on: November 07, 2013, 05:16:17 AM »

http://www.overunity.com/13879/building-a-self-looping-smot/570/


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Re: Magnetic Engine Video
« Reply #77 on: March 27, 2015, 11:57:24 AM »

Mr.Vidar,

Consult a physics professor, find out the exact energy equation and compare the input / output energy. Take your own time.
 
You are exactly right. Shield moves easily on the surface of magnet because it is parallel to the surface of magnet and experiences uniform flux theoughout in a parallel plane. It gets stuck at the bottom of magnet stack when it tries to move out of magnet.  I think now you have tried and realized. 
 
Shield will not move in horizontal plane because it is held with attracative force from the strong magnet on left side also.  That is the reason why I have said keep the fixed magnet very strong and moving magnet weak.
 
Once again I request you to build the engine as seen in my video and verify it.  Please don't make things complicated.
(I am getting bored!)
Take away friction/loss the input- and output energy is equal.
Don't get bored - this is suppose to be fun discussing and play with :-)

About eddy current: Using a shield of ferrite/ non-conductive magnetic material will solve that problem.


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Re: Magnetic Engine Video
« Reply #77 on: March 27, 2015, 11:57:24 AM »
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Re: Magnetic Engine Video
« Reply #78 on: March 27, 2015, 04:21:54 PM »
Vidar:

Please do not upset the space/time continuum with your experiment.  I have just now re-set all of my clocks and watches for the daylight savings time change.

Bill
I did upset  spac/time continuum, but it had only local effect...It happend yesterday
So my car turned into a snowplow and pushed all the snow from the courtyard into the garage with tremendous force!

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Re: Magnetic Engine Video
« Reply #79 on: March 27, 2015, 04:41:46 PM »
I did upset  spac/time continuum, but it had only local effect...It happend yesterday
So my car turned into a snowplow and pushed all the snow from the courtyard into the garage with tremendous force!

I wonder how you people live in such cold climate.  Here even if the night temperature falls below 20 deg C,  I cannot sleep.  Do you people have any electronic heaters fixed inside your bodies? 
 

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Re: Magnetic Engine Video
« Reply #80 on: March 27, 2015, 06:19:27 PM »

I wonder how you people live in such cold climate.  Here even if the night temperature falls below 20 deg C,  I cannot sleep.  Do you people have any electronic heaters fixed inside your bodies?
Hehe! It was only -1 or -2 deg. C yesterday. For us Norwegians that is normal at this time of the year, but the massive snowfall came yesterday and made total traffic chaos on all roads. Looking forward to the summer, +25-30 at most (On the contrary there is -25-30 in the mid winter...)

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Re: Magnetic Engine Video
« Reply #81 on: March 27, 2015, 09:55:42 PM »
You tube link .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q21CjmPV8fg



Reply #584 on: November 07, 2013, 05:16:17 AM »

http://www.overunity.com/13879/building-a-self-looping-smot/570/

Heh... that particular video is just a light-hearted response to the "one full turn" challenge that was made by a proven false claimant (who actually submitted a faked video of his claimed "self looping" device, then disappeared when challenged on it).

Here is the full development of the SNOT, with self-triggered drive pulser to perform True Experiments, and Arduino measurement of speed and KE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CKf5dUBmIU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4num28k4EnA
This unit was primarily designed to test "gate" configurations to see if any such would add to the KE of a ball passing through. The basic concept can be varied to make a unit that would track pendulum motions for the purpose of evaluating designs like Vineet's.

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Re: Magnetic Engine Video
« Reply #82 on: March 28, 2015, 09:16:27 AM »
Can a magnet of a given weight ,if dropped from a given height not preform work?
All the mag tracks I looked at don't go high enough.
Go up the ramp , drop out at the top, as going back down to the start travel past generating coils to produce power?
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Re: Magnetic Engine Video
« Reply #83 on: March 28, 2015, 10:20:04 AM »
Can a magnet of a given weight ,if dropped from a given height not preform work?
All the mag tracks I looked at don't go high enough.
Go up the ramp , drop out at the top, as going back down to the start travel past generating coils to produce power?
artv
The potential energy in an object is known by its mass, and altitude.
A magnet or not: If mass is 1kg, and you want to drop it 1 meter, the equation goes this.


E=m*h*g
E=1m*1kg*9,81N/kg=9,81Joule


So if you have a pendulum with a mass, the kinetic energy of that mass corresponds to the flucuation (angular displacement) and radius to the hub.
Say the pendulum fluctuate 45 degrees to each side and the legth of the rod between mass and hub is 1 meter, and the mass is 1 kg.
E max = m*L*sino*g
E max = 1kg*1m*sin 45o*9,81N/kg = 6,94Joule


Angular velocity at the bottom is:
V=(2*g*sino*L)1/2
V=(2*9.81*sin 45o*1m)1/2=3,72m/s


If a 1kg magnet dropped one meter is passing a coil, the maximum energy you can harvest from the coil is in theory 9,81Joule.
However, the potential energy in the magnets mass will determine the energy you can harvest, and how efficient the pick up coil is made, and how efficient the energy transferes from the magnet into the coil.


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Re: Magnetic Engine Video
« Reply #84 on: March 28, 2015, 11:56:09 AM »
Thanks Vidar, So if I get it to loop, that will be considered OU since there is no required input.
Also if it loops ,perpetual motion.
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Re: Magnetic Engine Video
« Reply #85 on: March 28, 2015, 04:18:24 PM »
Thanks Vidar, So if I get it to loop, that will be considered OU since there is no required input.
Also if it loops ,perpetual motion.
artv
Those equations applies to ideal non-frictional mechanism only. Friction will not allow things to selfsustain, or run perpetually.
If you apply more energy than required to complete one loop, it will, depending on friction, continue a couple of loops, but eventually stop. Not applying energy means only that the device that has no energy input will not have stored potential energy to use in order to start moving and empty that potential to do work.
Like a capacitor or a battery that is "flat". If you don't apply energy into it, it will not charge.
However, most batteries are made of chemical elements that react with each other. Appearently these batteries "self charge" after you have emtying them. But that happens only because there is a chemical process still going on in them.


General science that is used to makes things work, are relying on principles that nothing is OU. And devices made that way behave just as predicted if the math is done right in advance. If it was possible to achieve OU, then nothing would be predictable, and the worlds industries would collapse or run out of control. It would be impossible to calculate anything, becuse you would apply a factor in the equations that does not exist. How would you sort that puzzle out? You can't.


Honestly, you can forget everything about perpetual motion and OU. It does not exist. Whatever happened at the time of The Big Bang caused this universe to obey the physical laws we all know so well. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction - proven a trillion times. OU has not one single proof of existence.


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Re: Magnetic Engine Video
« Reply #86 on: March 29, 2015, 03:37:53 AM »
There is lots of friction, and it is causing problems. But the strength of the magnet can over take it, with the right layering of steel.
I don't have any form of input other than placing the magnet at the entrance of the track, where it gets drawn in by magnetism.
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« Reply #87 on: March 29, 2015, 10:43:05 AM »
There is lots of friction, and it is causing problems. But the strength of the magnet can over take it, with the right layering of steel.
I don't have any form of input other than placing the magnet at the entrance of the track, where it gets drawn in by magnetism.
artv
No, you can't. Steel is magnetic and will have influence on the magnets behaviour. You're putting steel there because you want to change the magnetic behaviour, but that also mean that the magnet is just as influenced by the steel as the steel is influenced by the magnet.
There is NO WAY you can make this work. No chance. Your best result will be unity - a selfsustaining device that is useless the moment you try to harvest energy from it.


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Re: Magnetic Engine Video
« Reply #88 on: March 29, 2015, 12:18:00 PM »

Honestly, you can forget everything about perpetual motion and OU. It does not exist. Whatever happened at the time of The Big Bang caused this universe to obey the physical laws we all know so well. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction - proven a trillion times. OU has not one single proof of existence.

Vidar

"whatever happened" seemed to input a whole lot of "energy" into this universe, and as such, must also mean there is a source of energy outside our universe for this to have occurred.

Which brings us to the simple fact that these "laws" we all know so well, only apply to a system that is closed, or in isolation.
We are very familiar with systems that utilize energy from sources outside the boundaries of the systems being analyzed.
Heat, Light, wind, Gravitational potential, physical motion, pressure, radiation, magnetic potential, to name a few.

When a system is designed to make use of external energy, though it cannot be labeled "pm", or "ou", still serves the same utility or economic function. Which is the conversion of this energy to provide it to us in a usable form.

These so-called "laws" of physics state that energy cannot be created nor destroyed, but the same physics that is used to describe these behaviors, can also be used to show that energy is seaming throughout all space, and that there is no such thing as a "closed" or "isolated" system. All systems have energy passing into and out of their boundaries.

Our methodology and theoretical approach, generally results in systems designed to pass energy out, resulting in loss.
But, the opposite can occur, where energy passes into the system, resulting in gain.
These are the systems we seek to advance.

So, when such a system is developed: It is common for nay-sayers to proclaim what is not possible, or must therefore be a hoax.
This is counter-productive, and goes against all that is scientific.
But rather, we should examine how energy might be passing into the system, to explain its' behavior, or identify those portions of the system which are yet unknown to us.

Many will make false claims such as: it is impossible to gain energy from a gravitational or magnetic potential.
  This is simply not true. There are situations where gravitational systems can lose energy, gain energy, or the energy can remain the same.
The same applies to magnetic systems, but in a much different manner, due to the lack of time-constraints.

Such does not make these systems "overunity", nor does such violate any "laws" of physics.
Just as energy from the sun passes into a solar-power system,  energy from atomic interactions passes into a gravitational or magnetic system. The common experience, is the opposite, however. Like a solar-panel without sun, energy will pass out of the system.  A gravitational or magnetic system passes energy out in a similar manner, but this is only due to our methodology.
It is not necessarily so in all cases.
And from our perspective, the energy available in gravitational or magnetic systems, is much in line with nuclear physics.
E = mc^2. 
We would have to consume all of the energy of the mass that we are interacting with, to "use it all up".
And that amount of available energy, to us tiny humans, can be considered near infinite.

There exists no law that states a magnetic or gravitational system (or combination of both, or others) cannot be looped.
And if looped, such system would not be technically "ou", "pm" nor violate any "laws" of physics.








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« Reply #89 on: March 30, 2015, 01:23:35 AM »
"whatever happened" seemed to input a whole lot of "energy" into this universe, and as such, must also mean there is a source of energy outside our universe for this to have occurred.

Which brings us to the simple fact that these "laws" we all know so well, only apply to a system that is closed, or in isolation.
We are very familiar with systems that utilize energy from sources outside the boundaries of the systems being analyzed.
Heat, Light, wind, Gravitational potential, physical motion, pressure, radiation, magnetic potential, to name a few.

When a system is designed to make use of external energy, though it cannot be labeled "pm", or "ou", still serves the same utility or economic function. Which is the conversion of this energy to provide it to us in a usable form.

These so-called "laws" of physics state that energy cannot be created nor destroyed, but the same physics that is used to describe these behaviors, can also be used to show that energy is seaming throughout all space, and that there is no such thing as a "closed" or "isolated" system. All systems have energy passing into and out of their boundaries.

Our methodology and theoretical approach, generally results in systems designed to pass energy out, resulting in loss.
But, the opposite can occur, where energy passes into the system, resulting in gain.
These are the systems we seek to advance.

So, when such a system is developed: It is common for nay-sayers to proclaim what is not possible, or must therefore be a hoax.
This is counter-productive, and goes against all that is scientific.
But rather, we should examine how energy might be passing into the system, to explain its' behavior, or identify those portions of the system which are yet unknown to us.

Many will make false claims such as: it is impossible to gain energy from a gravitational or magnetic potential.
  This is simply not true. There are situations where gravitational systems can lose energy, gain energy, or the energy can remain the same.
The same applies to magnetic systems, but in a much different manner, due to the lack of time-constraints.

Such does not make these systems "overunity", nor does such violate any "laws" of physics.
Just as energy from the sun passes into a solar-power system,  energy from atomic interactions passes into a gravitational or magnetic system. The common experience, is the opposite, however. Like a solar-panel without sun, energy will pass out of the system.  A gravitational or magnetic system passes energy out in a similar manner, but this is only due to our methodology.
It is not necessarily so in all cases.
And from our perspective, the energy available in gravitational or magnetic systems, is much in line with nuclear physics.
E = mc^2. 
We would have to consume all of the energy of the mass that we are interacting with, to "use it all up".
And that amount of available energy, to us tiny humans, can be considered near infinite.

There exists no law that states a magnetic or gravitational system (or combination of both, or others) cannot be looped.
And if looped, such system would not be technically "ou", "pm" nor violate any "laws" of physics.
I hope you're right, but wouldn't it require an immense amount of energy to "trigger" the energy that matter has in it?
If we could, we could provide power to 1500 housholds for one year by using all the energy there is in 1 gram of matter...by accelerate a grape to a velocity of 299 798 458 m/s...


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