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Author Topic: -----> Magnet Motor Drives Generator for FREE JUICE.  (Read 22607 times)

Offline ramset

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Re: -----> Magnet Motor Drives Generator for FREE JUICE.
« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2015, 02:42:16 AM »
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Wasif Kaloon and Greg Potter's claims have both been investigated.
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I did not know that !


When and by whom?

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« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2015, 06:04:29 AM »
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Wasif Kaloon and Greg Potter's claims have both been investigated.
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I did not know that !


When and by whom?
Multiple people including TK and myself.  Go read the threads form a year ago when he first tried to foist his fraud on the public.

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Re: -----> Magnet Motor Drives Generator for FREE JUICE.
« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2015, 10:05:51 AM »
reply Number 18

So no one ever spoke with the inventor, no one even knows of anyone that ever spoke with the inventor ,no interaction in any way shape or form with the
inventor or his invention has ever happened here...EVER ?
nothing
Zilch
Nada
ZERO
This is your case for a thorough debunking ,on which you an anonymous man call a known Man a thief and a liar..

I would truly say I hope you never get your Big dream of bigger government
A more Fascist position I could not imagine.
and to be clear unlike yourself I do not believe in big Government with no accountability or do process of law and unlike yourself I do not solicit work on an open source free energy forum from free energy investors.
I have no Dog in your Hunt

 ** nor do I endorse bold claims which have not been investigated,

*** never have never will.



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http://www.overunity.com/15585/-magnet-motor-drives-generator-for-free-juice/msg441315/#msg441315
« Last Edit: March 07, 2015, 02:37:10 PM by ramset »

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Offline MarkE

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Re: -----> Magnet Motor Drives Generator for FREE JUICE.
« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2015, 05:51:03 PM »
reply Number 18

So no one ever spoke with the inventor, no one even knows of anyone that ever spoke with the inventor ,no interaction in any way shape or form with the
inventor or his invention has ever happened here...EVER ?
nothing
Zilch
Nada
ZERO
This is your case for a thorough debunking ,on which you an anonymous man call a known Man a thief and a liar..
You have not been paying attention.  A number of people corresponded with the goof Wasif Kaloon despite the fact that his demonstrations alone clearly demonstrated his fakery.
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I would truly say I hope you never get your Big dream of bigger government
Strawman.
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A more Fascist position I could not imagine.
Strawman.
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and to be clear unlike yourself I do not believe in big Government with no accountability or do process of law and unlike yourself I do not solicit work on an open source free energy forum from free energy investors.
Strawman.
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I have no Dog in your Hunt
No, you promote exposed charlatans, and have the audacity to claim that promotion is morally superior to pointing out their fraud.  Do you also promote Nigerian 419 scams?  You never know Chet, you haven't been to Holland to see if that security case really exists or not.
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 ** nor do I endorse bold claims which have not been investigated,
Your posts say otherwise.
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*** never have never will.
Again, you should reread your posts.
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see also reply number 18 here,  line number 16- 17
http://www.overunity.com/15585/-magnet-motor-drives-generator-for-free-juice/msg441315/#msg441315

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Re: -----> Magnet Motor Drives Generator for FREE JUICE.
« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2015, 12:39:40 AM »

Quote chet- Water as fuel.....Water as Fuel ..
has a nice ring to it.
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Too bad it doesn't have any reality to it.
Now would be a good time to reply with caution Mark.

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Tomorrow, tomorrow, my miracle will work tomorrow..."
Or-My free time is very limited,and i will show my results as soon as i can?.

Definitions of fuel.
1.
Combustible matter used to maintain fire, as coal, wood, oil, or gas, in order to create heat or power
2.
something that gives nourishment

3.
An energy source for engines, power plants, or reactors:

4.
something that sustains or encourages; stimulant:

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« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2015, 12:46:12 AM »
Quote chet- Water as fuel.....Water as Fuel ..
has a nice ring to it.Now would be a good time to reply with caution Mark.
Except that water is the ash of the oxidation-reduction reaction between H2 and O2.  The chemical energy is gone, kaput, used up, gone to parrot heaven.
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"Or-My free time is very limited,and i will show my results as soon as i can?.
Or as in the common game of charlatans and swindlers:  "We are really close.  Your dollars today will be rewarded later.  Trust me as I have trusted you with my "secrets"."
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Definitions of fuel.
1.
Combustible matter used to maintain fire, as coal, wood, oil, or gas, in order to create heat or power
2.
something that gives nourishment

3.
An energy source for engines, power plants, or reactors:

4.
something that sustains or encourages; stimulant:
Water does not fit any of those definitions.   Even Greg Potter acknowledges that water does not supply energy in his contraption:
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As you know, it is impossible to create energy out of 4 gallons of water.

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Re: -----> Magnet Motor Drives Generator for FREE JUICE.
« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2015, 12:48:53 AM »
@ Ramset

Your rebuttal Posts are VERY WELL ARTICULATED, & I totally agree.

In fact, I think you are speaking for 95% of the people here that want to see "egotistical Nobody's"
BANNED so they stop BAD MOUTHING & SLANDERING other inventors & their inventions.

In fact, if I were the Administrator here, I would BAN THEM in a New York minute!
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Offline MarkE

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Re: -----> Magnet Motor Drives Generator for FREE JUICE.
« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2015, 12:54:25 AM »
@ Ramset

Your rebuttal Posts are VERY WELL ARTICULATED, & I totally agree.

In fact, I think you are speaking for 95% of the people here that want to see
the truth & NOT BAD MOUTH & SLANDER other inventors, ideas & their inventions.
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Slander requires that one make false defamatory claims.  You cannot establish falsity.  Ergo:  You cannot establish slander.  Greg Potter put a couple of motors in a box with a water tank and more importantly a couple of lead acid batteries powering off the shelf DC - AC inverters.  He now admits the obvious:  water does not and cannot power his "water powered generators".  Ergo his prior claims to "water powered generators" are false.


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« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2015, 01:02:55 AM »
Except that water is the ash of the oxidation-reduction reaction between H2 and O2.  The chemical energy is gone, kaput, used up, gone to parrot heaven.Or as in the common game of charlatans and swindlers:  "We are really close.  Your dollars today will be rewarded later.  Trust me as I have trusted you with my "secrets"."Water does not fit any of those definitions.   Even Greg Potter acknowledges that water does not supply energy in his contraption:
Marke
As most others are,you to are stuck in the simpelton meanings of fuel.

 Another def of fuel-->A substance that produces useful energy when it undergoes a chemical or nuclear reaction.

To say that water is an ash is incorrect,as an ash is a depleted fuel source,where water is a fuel in a stable state-->and is the only fuel that can be recycled over and over to be used again. The proof that water(as stated by clear definition)produces useful energy is clearly seen in any ICE when a water injection system is added.

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« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2015, 02:27:26 AM »
Marke
As most others are,you to are stuck in the simpelton meanings of fuel.

 Another def of fuel-->A substance that produces useful energy when it undergoes a chemical or nuclear reaction.

To say that water is an ash is incorrect,as an ash is a depleted fuel source,where water is a fuel in a stable state-->and is the only fuel that can be recycled over and over to be used again. The proof that water(as stated by clear definition)produces useful energy is clearly seen in any ICE when a water injection system is added.

Tinman:

Please correct me if I am wrong but water injection on an ICE is used mainly to effectively increase the octane of the fuel (raising its flash point) to stop valve knocking at a given compression ratio and timing.  The water is not being split, it just cools the combustion chamber enough to raise the flash point.  Maybe some of it is turned into steam?  I am not sure about that but I do not think the water itself is being burned in this case.

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« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2015, 02:28:09 AM »
Marke
As most others are,you to are stuck in the simpelton meanings of fuel.

 Another def of fuel-->A substance that produces useful energy when it undergoes a chemical or nuclear reaction.
A fuel is a substance that in the course of a reaction changes into a second substance plus released energy.  That applies to both chemical and nuclear reactions.
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To say that water is an ash is incorrect,as an ash is a depleted fuel source,
No, there are two usages of ash:  the formal definition used by chemists, which is mineral residue when all other components have been driven and/or burned off by heat, and the more common usage of the end product after a combustion process.
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  where water is a fuel in a stable state-->and is the only fuel that can be recycled over and over to be used again.
Water cannot be reused as fuel.  It has no chemical energy to give.  Energy may be used to hydrolyze water generating H2 fuel, and O2 oxidizer.
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The proof that water(as stated by clear definition)produces useful energy is clearly seen in any ICE when a water injection system is added.
No, that is incorrect.  Water injection systems can have thermodynamic benefits that result in more efficient use of the chemical energy in the gasoline fuel.  But the water is not converted into a second substance while releasing energy into the system as the gasoline fuel is.  Water absorbs energy in the phase change to vapor (steam) and releases energy as that vapor expands and cools.   Ultimately, every microgram of water injected ultimately leaves the cylinder still as H2O.

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« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2015, 03:05:40 AM »
You have not been paying attention.  A number of people corresponded with the goof Wasif Kaloon despite the fact that his demonstrations alone clearly demonstrated his fakery.
Well I was one of those that corresponded with him. Hardly an investigation though. We were all met with pretty much the same response. Come over and investigate if you are an engineer. So whilst the vids could easily be explained away I think he is right when he asserts there has been no thorough investigation of the claims published.As we say over here though, if it quacks like a duck.....
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« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2015, 04:49:56 AM »
Tinman:

Please correct me if I am wrong but water injection on an ICE is used mainly to effectively increase the octane of the fuel (raising its flash point) to stop valve knocking at a given compression ratio and timing.  The water is not being split, it just cools the combustion chamber enough to raise the flash point.  Maybe some of it is turned into steam?  I am not sure about that but I do not think the water itself is being burned in this case.

Bill
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Water cannot be burned full stop-regardless of what it may go through. Having to burn something in order for it to be classed as a fuel is incorrect. Fuel is a substance that produces a force/and or energy. As we cannot create energy,then the energy already existed in the fuel,so only a transformation takes place. Water to steam is such a transformation,but the steam is still water,just small particles.

Here is the experiment i started out with some 3 years ago to get to where i am today.This is one anyone can carry out that has some sort of mechanical skills.For this we will use an !off the shelf! catalyst,and an !off the shelf! generator of your liking--> i used a 1200 watt generator with a 4 stroke IEC.

First you pick a load that will be constant throughout the testing-->i used a 500 watt flood light,and had an AC volt meter across that light to make sure the voltage remains constant. A pre run of the generator to get it up to running teperature is also a good idea.

Test 1-You place 1/2 ltr of standard fuel into the tank(i swapped the original tank out for a 1 ltr tank.
Then run the generator with load until the fuel has been used,recording the teperature of the engine during the run,and the voltage across the load. The voltage should remain constant,as the generator is governed to run at a fixed RPM. Record run time,and engine temp.

Test 2.
Now you will need to run the generator with a catalyst mixed in with the fuel at a 4:1 ratio,but maintain the total liquid amount at 1/2 ltr. So for this test i used 400ml of gasoline,and 100ml of metholated spirits-->as it mixes both with gasoline and water. You then run test 1 again,and record run time and engine teperature.

Test 3
You now mix your fuel(the 4:1 gasoline/metho mix),BUT you add 100 ml of water to the metholated spirits first-->before adding it to the gasoline. You then run your test again,recording run time and engine teperature. The voltage across the load will remain the same due to the engine speed being governed-->but keep an eye on it anyway.

My results of that test as recoreded in my log's.

Test 1
Run time-27 minutes,38 seconds-->engine full stop.
Engine temperature at cylinder-142*C
Load 500 watts.

Test 2
Run time-25 minutes,22 seconds-->engine full stop
Engine temperature at cylinder-138*C
Load 500 watts

Test 3

Run time-36 minutes,42 second's-->engine full stop.
Load 500 watts
Engine temperature at cylinder-144*C

So from this we ask-->where did the energy come from to gain a longer run time,and a higher engine teperature?.

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Please correct me if I am wrong

There is not enough time for all of that. But I'll cover this issue at this moment.


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but water injection on an ICE is used mainly to effectively increase the octane of the fuel (raising its flash point)

If you had ever taken the time to learn enough about ICEs, you would have left out the word "mainly".


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to stop valve knocking

WTF is "valve knocking"? "valve knocking"?? I first began to learn about ICEs in the stereotypical American way of being a car fanatic in the '50s when I was a teenager. To this day, I have never heard anybody (that knows what they are talking about)  say "valve knock". Valves don't "knock", they clatter when their clearance to the rocker arm is wrong. Valve clatter has absolutely nothing to do with combustion chamber temperature or anything related to it, that water injection has anything to do with.


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at a given compression ratio and timing.

Valves don't knock no matter what the compression and timing are.


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The water is not being split,

I'm proud of you. You got a correct guess here.


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it just cools the combustion chamber enough to raise the flash point.

In your obvious gross ignorance you have neglected to write of the most notorious benefits; cooling the valve heads so they don't snap off of their stems, and, cooling the piston tops so they don't get a hole melted through them.  ::)

 Depending on the particular circumstances, the combustion chamber temperature can range from maybe 700 F. to well over 1,000 F.  Long ago and far away I was performing a science experiment in which I drove my 59 Chrysler 300E  at 110MPH and then punched it. 120 in what seemed like no time flat. Then I noticed the temp gauge was going down. A blown out freeze plug. Looking under the hood showed the stock cast iron exhaust manifolds glowing red hot. (It was about 10 in the evening). Tell me, Sherlock, the temp. of red hot iron.

In WW2 fighter aircraft water injection was used to COOL the engine parts to avoid melting and related destruction during use of WEP especially during dire emergencies in dogfights, but also to enable quicker take offs at higher power when bombed up.


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I am not sure about that but I do not think the water itself is being burned in this case.

You should be SURE. You SURE write boldly about winning IQ contests, for an amateur who doesn't even know enough basic chemistry to KNOW for certain that their is no way that water injection water can possibility be spoken of as BURNING in an ICE. 



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Re: -----> Magnet Motor Drives Generator for FREE JUICE.
« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2015, 05:01:10 AM »
When his own video shows without a doubt that it is the "generator" driving the "magnet motor" instead of the other way around, what more "proof" or investigation do you need?

This was all covered a year ago, when the "new" video in the OP was actually posted to YT.


 

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