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Title: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on February 24, 2015, 10:12:38 PM
Here's Skycollection's latest video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9FqHSYzU4Q&list=TLEoOMpHCLc8o

Skycollection shows a schematic of one centered power coil sandwiched by two single wire coils to each side. The intriguing aspect is that Jorge infers that the additional inductively coupled coils in oscillation along with their LED loads, are not reflected by increased input from his power capacitors source.

Question:

"Does the drive coil current increase with powering 1 light vs. 4 lights"?

Here's what he said:

Skycollection:

"When the circuit goes into "self-oscillation" is similar to how a JOULE THIEF works, everything illuminates brightly"...!

It would be very easy to loop the output from one or two of those oscillating coils back to the super capacitors through a fast switching diode! 

                                            This looks like it has some very serious "Overunity" potential!

It's important to understand that the magnetic oscillation alone is itself generating the power in the inductively coupled coils that run the LEDS, and not the stored power in the super capacitors.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on February 25, 2015, 12:19:02 AM
Here's a video from a week ago with thee coils:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY9TjsGccM4

The question is Folks; How many coils can we pack end to end this way in a PVC pipe? Thery're seemingly limitless, right? We should be in store for a "Septefilar" next, with two additional LED arrays for the same money! Hallelujah!

                                          This is an extrodinarily awesome demonstration from Jorge!

                                                                            BRAVO JORGE!

                                                                             
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on February 25, 2015, 02:54:22 AM
Here's Skycollection's latest video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9FqHSYzU4Q&list=TLEoOMpHCLc8o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9FqHSYzU4Q&list=TLEoOMpHCLc8o)

Skycollection shows a schematic of one centered power coil sandwiched by two single wire coils to each side. The intriguing aspect is that Jorge infers that the additional inductively coupled coils in oscillation along with their LED loads, are not reflected by increased input from his power capacitors source.

Question:

"Does the drive coil current increase with powering 1 light vs. 4 lights"?

Here's what he said:

Skycollection:

"When the circuit goes into "self-oscillation" is similar to how a JOULE THIEF works, everything illuminates brightly"...!

It would be very easy to loop the output from one or two of those oscillating coils back to the super capacitors through a fast switching diode! 

                                            This looks like it has some very serious "Overunity" potential!

It's important to understand that the magnetic oscillation alone is itself generating the power in the inductively coupled coils that run the LEDS, and not the stored power in the super capacitors.




Very soon i will make an amazing experiment with more LED BULBS and more pancake coils connected in series, is possible that this experience be close to overunity potential...!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on February 25, 2015, 05:19:45 AM
Skycollection's "Complementary Transistors" are driving current in both directions through the primary pancake coil! Jorge calls this "Singing Oscillation "The Swing".

"Two different types of transistors “PNP” and “NPN”, can be a great advantage when designing power amplifier circuits such as the Class B Amplifier".

Class-B amplifiers uses “Complementary” or “Matched Pair” (that is one PNP and one NPN connected together) transistors in its output stage or in reversible H-Bridge motor control circuits were we want to control the flow of current evenly through the motor in both directions.

A pair of corresponding NPN and PNP transistors with near identical characteristics to each other are called "Complementary Transistors" such as the 2N3906 PNP and the 2N2222 NPN Skycollection's using.

Also, class B amplifiers use complementary NPN and PNP in their power output stage design. The NPN transistor conducts for only the positive half of the signal while the PNP transistor conducts for negative half of the signal.

This allows the amplifier to "drive the required power in both directions" at the stated nominal impedance and power resulting in an output current which is likely to be in the order of several amps shared evenly between the two complementary transistors.

Skycollection shows his circuit schematic at 1:05 in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY9TjsGccM4
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on February 25, 2015, 05:42:58 AM
When the circuit goes into self-oscillation, is similar to how a joule thief circuit works, and everything iluminates brightly...! very soon i will make an amazing experiment with more led bulbs and more pancake coils, this experience with pancake coils is awesome...!
The pancake coils have a dark side, it was not easy to get here, there is still much to investigate.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on February 25, 2015, 05:22:20 PM
I don´t know if have any sense  to produce the SEPTEFILAR PANCAKE COIL, I know that it works but I have other ideas for further research, soon you will see another amazing video of these coils, according to my experience, I think I can work with 8 groups of pancake coils and seven led bulbs very well, but is not easy, is complicated to build 8 groups without failures or short circuits...!



Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on February 25, 2015, 06:42:57 PM
@Skycollection,

Anything you say! Tu eres "El Ingenioso". It appears from your videos that the intensity of the illumination increases in the LEDS from 3 to 5 coils. It seems that the addition of coils helps re-inforce and strengthen the magnetic oscillation.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on February 25, 2015, 10:08:13 PM
Skycollection's "Complimentary Transistors" are activated by the AC sine wave generated by his spinning diametric tube magnet. The PNP & NPN transistors are alternately triggered by the two phases of the sine wave signal. This creates a powerful AC Inverter, amplifier, high voltage inductive transformer powered by a low voltage DC source. The high voltage output is rectified by the AC LED bulb circuitry, and yields super luminosity. This is a "Grand Slam" magnifying transformer. It would be interesting to attach this "Pancake Transformer" to a scope and calculate the "Power Factor".
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on February 25, 2015, 10:11:13 PM
Yessss......you right.....its an OVERUNITY TRANSFORMER....!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: mscoffman on February 25, 2015, 10:41:22 PM
Remember;
Overunity is accomplished by impedance matching.
Any light is wasted energy.

One way to collect the energy is small audio transformers or toroids followed by bridge rectifiers and a filter cap and matching load resistors.
The filter suppresses the AC pulse energy to DC and the transformers blocks interaction between stages. This would be followed by
an efficient DC to DC converter and removal of load resistors.

:S:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on February 26, 2015, 02:00:29 AM
Remember;
Overunity is accomplished by impedance matching.
Any light is wasted energy.

One way to collect the energy is small audio transformers or toroids followed by bridge rectifiers and a filter cap and matching load resistors.
The filter suppresses the AC pulse energy to DC and the transformers blocks interaction between stages. This would be followed by
an efficient DC to DC converter and removal of load resistors.

:S:MarkSCoffman

@MarkSCoffman,


A fast switching Shotky diode from the positive output coil lead in series directly to the positive leg of a storage capacitor and the negative leads connected to each other is all it would take to rectify and store the output current.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Paul-R on February 26, 2015, 04:07:48 PM

One way to collect the energy is small audio transformers or toroids followed by bridge rectifiers and a filter cap and matching load resistors.

What I like,where possible, is a resistive load plunged into water whose temperature rise is measured. Nobody can argue with that, particularly if you get the right value for the specific heat.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on February 26, 2015, 08:41:09 PM
What's the frequency that the "Pentafilar's" ringing at?  "Maximum frequency is 250 MHz for the 2N2222". Perhaps the "Pentafilar Primary" may be considered as Broadcasting Power, encountering zero resistance. Might it be a radio? It sounds like a radio!

The spinning magnet generates a sine wave that triggers the "Complentary Transistors"; Then they continue to trigger from cascading feedback untill they rise to their maximun switch rate nearly instantaneously.

"When radio waves strike an electrical conductor, the oscillating fields induce an alternating current in the conductor".

Is the "Pentafilar Primary" broadcasting radio waves? Is it a "Marconi Set"? Can the output coil be viewed as a reciever and new broadcasting antenna? A series of radio wave repeaters? Is it posible to actually "Multipy Power" this way?
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Vortex1 on February 26, 2015, 09:30:06 PM
Skycollection's "Complementary Transistors" are driving current in both directions through the primary pancake coil! Jorge calls this "Singing Oscillation "The Swing".

"Two different types of transistors “PNP” and “NPN”, can be a great advantage when designing power amplifier circuits such as the Class B Amplifier".

Class-B amplifiers uses “Complementary” or “Matched Pair” (that is one PNP and one NPN connected together) transistors in its output stage or in reversible H-Bridge motor control circuits were we want to control the flow of current evenly through the motor in both directions.

A pair of corresponding NPN and PNP transistors with near identical characteristics to each other are called "Complementary Transistors" such as the 2N3906 PNP and the 2N2222 NPN Skycollection's using.

Also, class B amplifiers use complementary NPN and PNP in their power output stage design. The NPN transistor conducts for only the positive half of the signal while the PNP transistor conducts for negative half of the signal.

This allows the amplifier to "drive the required power in both directions" at the stated nominal impedance and power resulting in an output current which is likely to be in the order of several amps shared evenly between the two complementary transistors.

Skycollection shows his circuit schematic at 1:05 in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY9TjsGccM4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY9TjsGccM4)

I think rather than a class B push pull drive, the circuit is more in the arrangement of a regenerative latch circuit with the 2n2222 doing the hard switching. Examine the current path, the 2n3906 current is severely limited by the 1K. Nevertheless it is a novel circuit arrangement.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on February 26, 2015, 09:41:28 PM
@Vortex1,

Thanks for uploading Skycollection's schematic. Do you think the circuit's broadcasting in the RF range?
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: picowatt on February 26, 2015, 09:42:25 PM
Synchro1,

Your description of the operation of Skywatcher's circuit is incorrect.

Although his circuit does indeed use both an NPN and PNP transistor, they are not connected similarly to, or being used in a like manner to, the complimentary emitter follower circuit you posted.  They are totally different circuits with very little in common regarding their operation.

Speaking simply, and briefly, in Skywatcher's circuit, only the NPN transistor passes significant coil current.  The PNP is being used to drive the base of the NPN, turning the NPN on and off.

Also, the frequency of oscillation is not determined by the ft of the transistors.

PW
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on February 26, 2015, 10:11:20 PM
Synchro1,

Your description of the operation of Skywatcher's circuit is incorrect.

Although his circuit does indeed use both an NPN and PNP transistor, they are not connected similarly to, or being used in a like manner to, the complimentary emitter follower circuit you posted.  They are totally different circuits with very little in common regarding their operation.

Speaking simply, and briefly, in Skywatcher's circuit, only the NPN transistor passes significant coil current.  The PNP is being used to drive the base of the NPN, turning the NPN on and off.

Also, the frequency of oscillation is not determined by the ft of the transistors.

PW

@picowatt,

You don't think the circuit's generating a sine wave oscillation? The base and collector of each transistor are connected. The 2N2222 has it's emitter connected to the ground and the emitter of the 2N3906 connects to the positive pole of the power source. The only pathway to the ground for the 2N3906 is through the 2N2222. The PNP drives the base of the NPN, but the emitter of the NPN drives the base of the PNP. That equals a "Push Pull"!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on February 26, 2015, 10:25:31 PM
Is very simple: when the circuit goes into self oscillation is similar to how a JOULE THIEF CIRCUIT operates, Eeverything iluminate brightly....! The circuit and the magnet "open the door" of the power and induce the voltage to the other groups of pancake coils, its only INDUCTION produced by the principal pancake coil, (number 1) this is not RADIO WAVES, or ANTENA...! THIS IS A GREAT TRANSFORMER....!!





Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on February 26, 2015, 10:38:38 PM
@Jorge,

There's no doubt it's a "Great Transformer". It may be a great "Short Wave Radio" too.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Vortex1 on February 26, 2015, 10:48:29 PM
@Vortex1,

Thanks for uploading Skycollection's schematic. Do you think the circuit's broadcasting in the RF range?

If the circuit is switching at the frequency of rotation of the rotor, it would be in the low audio range, especially if it is a sine wave as sky collection claims.

If the coil is being hard switched, and no other significant capacitance shunts the coil, then there may be harmonics that could get into the low frequency radio spectrum, although the amount of energy would be very small due to the catch diode allowing most of the flyback energy to be captured by the lights.
 
Without scope shots my guess is that the waveform is of a typical clamped flyback circuit with only minor ringing due to coil stray capacitance.

Search for "SCR equivalent circuit" and you will find similar images to the pnp-npn connected pair, although  the usage in this circuit is a bit different. The real name is "silicon controlled switch" invented over 60 or more years ago.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Vortex1 on February 26, 2015, 11:34:47 PM
Is very simple: when the circuit goes into self oscillation is similar to how a JOULE THIEF CIRCUIT operates, Eeverything iluminate brightly....! The circuit and the magnet "open the door" of the power and induce the voltage to the other groups of pancake coils, its only INDUCTION produced by the principal pancake coil, (number 1) this is not RADIO WAVES, or ANTENA...! THIS IS A GREAT TRANSFORMER....!!

The question then: does the oscillation continue when the rotor is stopped and taken off? if so it is self oscillation, if not it is an oscillation synchronized to rotor speed and magnet polarity reversals.

If it is similar to a JT aka "blocking oscillator" as it is traditionally known then these usually produce sharp pulses, not sine waves.

Why not post your scope shots to clarify.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on February 27, 2015, 12:54:08 AM
@Vortex1,

Why not offer to send an Oscilloscope to Skycollection in Mexico? The "Silicon controlled Switch" schematic you uploaded looks pretty close. You're probably right about the sharp pulse. Thanks for helping clear that up.

I sometimes advance unfounded ideas just to get a discussion going, without really knowing too much about the subject. Don't be too hard on Jorge, he never said anything about "Sine Waves". Jorge compared it to the JT just like you did.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Vortex1 on February 27, 2015, 02:51:10 AM
@Vortex1,

Why not offer to send an Oscilloscope to Skycollection in Mexico? The "Silicon controlled Switch" schematic you uploaded looks pretty close. You're probably right about the sharp pulse. Thanks for helping clear that up.

I sometimes advance unfounded ideas just to get a discussion going, without really knowing too much about the subject. Don't be too hard on Jorge, he never said anything about "Sine Waves". Jorge compared it to the JT just like you did.

I have high respect for the quality of Jorge's builds and if I am able, would like to help him gain insight into the operation of his circuit. If he could go to a local high school or university, I'm sure they would be willing to hook his device up to a scope and snap a few shots. We have many here including myself that are very good at analyzing waveforms, having many decades of bench experience with transistor switching circuits. No disrespect to Jorge intended. If he does not want any assistance that is ok too.

Kind Regards
Vortex1
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on February 27, 2015, 02:53:39 AM
@Skycollection,

Where did you get your circuit from? Is this circuit an original design of your own, or is it a patented version of someone elses? I can't find anything that looks identical to it. The 2N2222 turns on and sends power to the primary coil, and simultaneously turns  on the PNP. The only difference in timing looks like it comes from the resistor.

It appears as though a tiny potentiometer in place of the 1K resistor might control the oscillation frequency.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on February 27, 2015, 03:28:55 AM
I have high respect for the quality of Jorge's builds and if I am able, would like to help him gain insight into the operation of his circuit. If he could go to a local high school or university, I'm sure they would be willing to hook his device up to a scope and snap a few shots. We have many here including myself that are very good at analyzing waveforms, having many decades of bench experience with transistor switching circuits. No disrespect to Jorge intended. If he does not want any assistance that is ok too.

Kind Regards
Vortex1

@Vortex1,

Jorge has been victimized by several very insulting members on this forum, most notoriously by "Zerofossilfuel" who inferred Jorge was a "Big Money Tycoon". He has English for a second language, and is sometimes misinterpreted. I, like you, admire him alot and am delighted that he has chosen to return to contribute once again to the forum. Thanks from me for your kind words and offer of support.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on February 27, 2015, 06:06:01 AM
I apreciate very much about to send a scope to mexico, i have an old osciloscope but i don´t know how to used it, i have no the terminals, is incomplete, i will send you a photograph, and i think the terminals are cheap, but here in my city is difficult to get this  things, and the other problem is that i have no economic support to buy implements, (i have no job for the moment) and is difficult to me in this moment. PLEASE GIVE ME SOME E MAIL of someone and i will send the photo of the osciloscope, the other problem is that i never used one....!


About the circuit, i sow one video of LIDMOTOR, I did not copy the circuit, i never studied electronics, it was my "imagination" and the circuit was an invention of mine with one pancake coil and all works very well, i built many pulse motors and by accident i sow the "oscillation" and the singing of the oscillation, and the story ends with the PENTAFILAR PANCAKE COIL. The induction of the pancake coils is different to the conventional coils, the pancake coil have THE INDUCTIVE COUPLING EFFECT, in my pancake coils i have many other effects, and unknown effects that i am studying.


PENTAFILAR PANCAKE COIL takes me a week, the process is complicated and hard, i am building now THE SEPTEFILAR PANCAKE COIL, SIX GROUPS OF PANCAKE COILS in a pvc pipe like a sandwich, the
problem of this pancake coils is the PLASTIC RESIN that take a long to dry, and i have only one mold and takes days of work. The molds i invented, and i have a special process to get PERFECT PANCAKE COILS, build perfect things is an "immediate success"...!











Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on February 27, 2015, 06:11:22 AM
My e mail is: skycollection@hotmail.com
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on February 27, 2015, 06:58:28 AM
Skycollection's latest video. "MULTIFILAR PANCAKE COILS":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHYF6bqSqZ0

Skycollection appears to be doubling his output with the two sets in series. This makes one wonder if the output from the second might be sufficient to loop back and power the first? How much would a loop extend the run time? Suppose he looped five coils and ran one bulb? Suppose he looped all six coils and just ran the one bulb on BEMF? This looks like a possible OU transformer to me!

The transformer only has to be around 100% efficient to be OU the BEMF.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on February 27, 2015, 10:19:01 AM
@Skycollection,

I have a suggestion to try something. Simply remove the LED that's powered by the BEMF, and attach the leads to the power capacitors. The positive with the diode to the positive leg of the capacitors and the negative to the negative. Check the discharge rate of the capcitors with a digital multi-meter set to the correct voltage scale. Time and compare the difference in voltage drop in the capacitors while running between the LED and the BEMF loop.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on February 27, 2015, 03:41:29 PM
Ok, i will try to use the BEMF and connect the supercaps...!
 
Stefan proposes using BETA DECAY MINERAL (Urban Decay Surreal Skin Mineral Foundation ~NEW~ NIRVANA (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Urban-Decay-Surreal-Skin-Mineral-Foundation-NEW-NIRVANA-/271788839935?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f47e093ff)[/size][/color]), and i can´t buy this product because i don´t have economic resoucers, other thing is that i don´t know if this product can hurt my health or  if it is dangerous to use...! DOES ANYBODY KNOWS ABOUT THIS PRODUCT...?


Stefan proposes usisng this product in the construction of my new SEPTEFILAR PANCAKE COIL, that i start the construction this week, i will wait for mere information...!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: deslomeslager on February 27, 2015, 04:41:48 PM
Ok, i will try to use the BEMF and connect the supercaps...!

Please do not feed BEMF in supercaps.
It will create very tiny holes in the inner structure, making them leak energy. A supercapacitor is NOT able to withstand a higher voltage than rated, even 3 Volts in stead of 2.75 is already shortening the life considerably. A better way to do this is by putting another capacitor which itself is connected with a diode to the supercap (plus to plus with a diode in between from cap to supercap).

A better way to is to transform the BEMF down first, that way you loose less of the possible charge.

Happy experimenting!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on February 27, 2015, 05:19:28 PM
Ok, thanks i did the experiment last night but with one of the pancake coils, not with the BEMF, with a rectifier, and i sow that the voltage produced was 6 volts (and with a capacitor 14 volts) and desisted continue the experiment, because i know that i can damage the supercaps...!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MileHigh on February 27, 2015, 06:28:59 PM
Please do not feed BEMF in supercaps.
It will create very tiny holes in the inner structure, making them leak energy. A supercapacitor is NOT able to withstand a higher voltage than rated, even 3 Volts in stead of 2.75 is already shortening the life considerably. A better way to do this is by putting another capacitor which itself is connected with a diode to the supercap (plus to plus with a diode in between from cap to supercap).

A better way to is to transform the BEMF down first, that way you loose less of the possible charge.

Happy experimenting!

I view the problem that you are suggesting as being highly unlikely.  When the BEMF goes into the supercapacitor, the voltage will be very low.  If you start off with the supercapacitor discharged, then the voltage starts at (very close to) zero volts and then slowly climbs as the supercapacitor charges.  If you are careful and monitor the supercapacitor voltage with a mulimeter as you charge it, then you can stop the BEMF charging before the voltage gets too high.

If you are thinking that the BEMF outputs high voltage when it discharges into a discharged capacitor then that is not the case.  The voltage is determined by the slowly increasing capacitor voltage.

The one possible issue is related to how much charging current in amps that the supercapacitor can sustain without damage.  This might be in the datasheet.  My gut feel is telling me that the initial charging current from the BEMF in Skycollecion's setup will not be so high that you have to worry about that.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MarkE on February 27, 2015, 06:36:11 PM
I view the problem that you are suggesting as being highly unlikely.  When the BEMF goes into the supercapacitor, the voltage will be very low.  If you start off with the supercapacitor discharged, then the voltage starts at (very close to) zero volts and then slowly climbs as the supercapacitor charges.  If you are careful and monitor the supercapacitor voltage with a mulimeter as you charge it, then you can stop the BEMF charging before the voltage gets too high.

If you are thinking that the BEMF outputs high v9ltage when it discharges into a discharged capacitor then that is not the case.  The voltage is determined by the slowly inchreasing capacitor voltage.

The one possible issue is related to how much charging current in amps that the supercapacitor can sustain without damage.  This might be in the datasheet.  My gut feel is telling me that the initial charging current from the BEMF in Skycollecion's setup will not be so high that you have to worry about that.

MileHigh
Yes and no.  How fast the external circuit switches current into the supercapacitor and the inductance of the supercapacitor will determine the peak voltage across it as a result of a switched current such as BEMF.  A little filter placed in front of the supercapacitor will protect it.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MileHigh on February 27, 2015, 06:59:59 PM
Thanks and I stand corrected.  You learn something new every day.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: ALVARO_CS on February 27, 2015, 07:02:33 PM
hola Jorge
Un trabajo impecable con los pancakes, felicitaciones.

Creo que el producto mencionado es "dioxido de Titanio, TiO2"
que es supuestamente inocuo para la salud.
el producto recomendado de hecho es una base de maquillaje.

Para info más detallada: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%93xido_de_titanio_%28IV%29

abajo, en referencias, hay un artículo muy interesante (inglés) acerca de su uso
como ánodo (polo negativo) de baterías en una nueva invención:

http://media.ntu.edu.sg/NewsReleases/Pages/newsdetail.aspx?news=809fbb2f-95f0-4995-b5c0-10ae4c50c934

¿ puedes aclararnos para qué uso te lo recomiendan?
gracias
un saludo
Alvaro

Hello Jorge
An impeccable work with the pancake congratulations.

I believe that the mentioned product is titanium dioxide " TiO2 "
which is supposedly harmless for your health. (a face makeup)
see TiO2 in Wikipedia

A very interesting article in the references, about a new invention using it as battery anode
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on February 27, 2015, 07:08:35 PM
@Skycollection,

Good advice from MarkE:

"A little filter placed in front of the supercapacitor will protect it".
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on February 27, 2015, 08:24:12 PM
MILEHIGH: Ok, i will discharge the supercaps and i will MAKE THE EXPERIMENT...!


ALVARO: That is that Stefan propose.....: Try to wrap a coil around some Beta Decay mineral and see, if you can exite the radioactive decay with the BackEMF pulses,,,, This way you might get radioactive free beta decay electrons that work like a negative resistance...! [/font][/size]
This is the commentary of Stefan and i don´t know what kind of effect could be the result of using BETA DECAY O DIOXIDO DE TITANIO.[/font][/size]
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on February 27, 2015, 08:35:39 PM
MILEHIGH: Ok, i will discharge the supercaps and i will MAKE THE EXPERIMENT...!


ALVARO: That is that Stefan propose.....: Try to wrap a coil around some Beta Decay mineral and see, if you can exite the radioactive decay with the BackEMF pulses,,,, This way you might get radioactive free beta decay electrons that work like a negative resistance...! [/font][/size]
This is the commentary of Stefan and i don´t know what kind of effect could be the result of using BETA DECAY O DIOXIDO DE TITANIO.[/font][/size]

@Skycollection,

You need to leave enough charge in the capacitors to start the oscillation. Remember, the BEMF recovered is only a fraction of the input, so the capacitor's going to drain and not over charge and explode.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on February 27, 2015, 08:43:21 PM
Synchro1: Thanks i know that i need charge in the supercaps to get self oscillation, and if you see my video, in my circuit i have four swiches, one is for the supercpas, one is for the batteries, one is for the BEMF and other is for my saving lamp....!


I can make the experiment with the initial power of the batteries and the supercaps discharged, i have to see what happen with the supercpas with the ammeter...! i think in all posibilities.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on February 27, 2015, 11:37:22 PM
@Skycollection,

Tienes razón! Buena suerte.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Vortex1 on February 28, 2015, 12:34:11 AM
Yes and no.  How fast the external circuit switches current into the supercapacitor and the inductance of the supercapacitor will determine the peak voltage across it as a result of a switched current such as BEMF.  A little filter placed in front of the supercapacitor will protect it.

The other usual practice when dealing with capacitors that have high inductance is to shunt them with a high quality film or ceramic capacitor to absorb the spikes. I would also add an excess voltage shedding circuit in the form of a low voltage Zener and auxiliary load so that excess charging can be shed into the load. There are numerous ways to do this in addition to the simple Zener. Series/ parallel strings of LED that begin to light at the appropriate threshold voltage would work if light is the end product needed.

In the case of needing only light output it would be better to eliminate the super capacitor altogether and drive the high current BEMF pulses directly into the LED array.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on February 28, 2015, 12:51:08 AM
Lidmotor shows how a "Pancake Coil" broadcasts radio waves with a "Joule Thief" oscillator circuit in this video:

Pancake coil JT-- radio transmitter.ASF

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoKDU1yGkPo
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on March 05, 2015, 05:38:38 PM
Skycollection's "Septefilar Pancake Coil" video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjggh28x_9s
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on March 05, 2015, 07:48:57 PM
@Skycollection,

Congratulations! It appears the LEDS just turned on by switch alone, without spinning the rotor magnet to trigger the oscillation. The the new addition of the oscillascope looks very impressive.

Maybe you can start a small factory to begin to manufacture those encased Pancake coils?
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on March 05, 2015, 08:16:32 PM
Thanks Synchro1, it´s possible to make pancake coils but i need a lot of money to start a company.......the pancake coils have potential overunity and i will make the process soon, i hope. About the oscilloscope is the first time that  i connect this device, i don´t know how to use it, but i hope it serves the information i presented in this video.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on March 05, 2015, 08:25:26 PM
About the leds turned on........sometimes happens tha the leds turned on by switch alone without the magnet rotor, but not all time, sometimes i need to move the rotor to start "self oscillation" i did many times the test and 4 of 9 truned on and 5 needs to move the magnet. I am looking some way to start on without the help of the magnets, but this is "investigation" that takes time, i will make it soon.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Void on March 05, 2015, 08:32:07 PM
About the leds turned on........sometimes happens tha the leds turned on by switch alone without the magnet rotor, but not all time, sometimes i need to move the rotor to start "self oscillation" i did many times the test and 4 of 9 truned on and 5 needs to move the magnet. I am looking some way to start on without the help of the magnets, but this is "investigation" that takes time, i will make it soon.

Hi skycollection. What are you using to power the circuit in your last video? 
If you power from a battery, how much current is drawn from the battery to
power the circuit when you are light all those LEDs? Are you using 3 volts?
All the best...

Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MileHigh on March 05, 2015, 08:48:27 PM
Jorge:

The simple truth is that you are making a transformer with one primary and multiple secondaries.  If you took a toroidal ferrite core, and made your own primary and secondary windings and connected up your LEDs you would get the same or better results.  Most likely you would get better results because the coupling between the primary and the multiple secondaries would be much better.  I am assuming that any power losses in the core will be much much less than the power that goes into your LED loads.

Have fun with your experimenting.  I encourage to experiment.  But it would be a mistake to believe that you are doing something different or unique or doing something that might be over unity.  You are simply making a multi-tap air core transformer by putting several pancake coils inside the plastic tube.

I am really not sure if a multi-tap toroidal ferrite core transformer would give you better results than your multi-tap air core transformer based on your pancake coils.  The real way to find out would be to make precision power-in and power out measurements for both configurations using a digital storage oscilloscope.

However, you could make a pretty good alternative measurement by driving the primary with a pure sine wave from an audio amplifier and changing the LED lights for load resistors.  If you did that then you could make precision power-in and power-out measurements with your oscilloscope or a good quality true-RMS multimeter.  You could make the precision measurements on the pancake coil transformer and the toroidal core transformer like this and compare the two setups for their power-in vs. total power out efficiency.  That would at least give you some data that would indicate which of the two transformer configurations gives you better performance for a sine wave input and driving multiple resistive loads.

I will repeat, I encourage you to experiment.  If you don't want to make measurements that's fine and that your choice.  But you have to be realistic and understand what you are dong and have reasonable and realistic expectations for your results.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on March 05, 2015, 08:49:52 PM
Void, in this experiment i used three AA batteries, and i can use the supercaps with the same result, but the supercpas needs to charge every 4 minutes, i am implementing the system to charge the supercaps "in series" in less time with a SIX VOLTS BATTERY in less time and disconnect the supercapas to avoid to overload, soon i will make the video on youtube.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on March 05, 2015, 09:01:17 PM
Milehigh, to be realistic, the toroid that you present i know very well, but if you pretent swicht on 5 12 volts bulbs leds, never will work like my inductive coupling transformer, I would challenge the best members of  Overunity  to build a torus and swicht on 5 12 volts LED bulbs with only 3 volts ....!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Void on March 05, 2015, 09:27:42 PM
Void, in this experiment i used three AA batteries, and i can use the supercaps with the same result, but the supercpas needs to charge every 4 minutes, i am implementing the system to charge the supercaps "in series" in less time with a SIX VOLTS BATTERY in less time and disconnect the supercapas to avoid to overload, soon i will make the video on youtube.

Thanks skycollection.  So, 3 AA batteries in series to give about 4.5 volts? Do you have a meter that can measure DC current,
that you can use to measure the DC current that is being drawn from the batteries while lighting all the LED lights? This
can really help to give a better idea how the circuit is performing.
All the best...

Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on March 05, 2015, 11:35:17 PM
Milehigh, where did you see that a torus works like my inductive coupling transformer...? With this torus that you put an example, never will work...!





I will insist you that the best member of overunity build a torus and swicht on 5 12 volts Led bulbs with only 3 or 4 volts ...!

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Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Void on March 06, 2015, 12:11:43 AM
I will insist you that the best member of overunity build a torus and switch on 5 12 volts Led bulbs with only 3 or 4 volts ...!

Hi Skycollection. Volts in compared to the volts out is not a useful comparison. You have to compare power in
compared to power out to get any idea how the circuit is performing. AA batteries can supply quite a bit of power
(current times voltage) and 12V LED bulbs are only usually around one to a few watts per bulb at maximum brightness,
depending on the bulbs you are using.
All the best...


Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Vortex1 on March 06, 2015, 12:58:11 AM
Hi Jorge

You mentioned wanting to eliminate your rotor magnet.

Try this "old school" multi-vibrator circuit. It is one of my favorites.

It uses the same transistors you are now using in a slightly different configuration.

You may have to experiment with the values for C1 and R1, and if you can measure the inductance of your driving coil, I can approximate better values for C1, R1.

As the circuit  stands it charges the inductor about every 8 milliseconds and discharges in 2 milliseconds, with a burst of high current pulses into the LED.

The scopeshot shows the inductor ramp up and discharge current (white), during the inductor discharge, you can see the LED current pulses in blue'

It should be self starting. You can use a potentiometer in series with R1 to adjust the firing rate and brightness.

It might also help to add a ferrite rod through your coils to raise the inductance. It will also allow the circuit to operate at a lower frequency, so switching loss will not be a big problem.

When everything is properly tuned to your coils, you will be amazed what this little circuit can do.

There are many additional refinements that can be added to the circuit to increase its efficiency, but this is a good starting point for you.

Kind Regards
Vorex1 / ION
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: TinselKoala on March 06, 2015, 01:22:07 AM
@skycollection:

I encourage you to learn how to use and interpret your oscilloscope. From the display in your video we can see (although not properly triggered and stable) a signal that indicates very normal "joule thief" behaviour: That is, sharp pulses of higher voltage, with a shoulder that indicates the LEDs turning on, a relatively short "on" duty cycle, and a blank (off) space between them. 

The scope, when properly used and properly interpreted, will show you exactly what is happening in your circuit, and you will probably see that you are creating relatively high _peak power_ levels to the LEDs, but since there are those long "blank" spaces, the _average power_ output to the LEDs developed by your circuit will be less than the average input power. The difference is in waste heat (the components warm up slightly) and RF radiation (as your radio receiver indicates.)

Voltage amplification is not energy, peak power is not energy. Below you can see my HVJT, which lights up 6 each 90-volt NE-2 neons _in series_ from a single AAA battery delivering less than 1.3 volts. This circuit makes spikes that are in excess of 800 volts -- very short duration spikes. This is how it is able to boost the voltage so high. The neons look like they are continuously lit, but they are not. The -peak power- developed in this circuit is high... but the average power is low. People on this forum, in the long-running Joule Thief threads, have seen hundreds of LEDs lit up brilliantly on much less input voltage than you are using with your circuit. CFLs, too. The message here is that voltage amplification alone is not energy amplification, so please don't get too excited about it.


By the way, I really liked your PMBO entry, I thought it should have won the contest, perhaps in a tie with Tommey Reed's radial PM.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on March 06, 2015, 01:32:45 AM
Thanks VORTEX1 i have a similar circuit but i like yours, i apreciate your time, i would like to know more about this multi-vibrator, if you have some link and the applications, i would like to study the properties, i will make the circuit this week and make a test with the pancake coils. The zener diode 1N5817 is the same a "fast diode"...? how many volts...? i sow the link and is a schottky barrier rectifier, i have little diodes and i will try.
The .01 ufd is ceramic capacitor...? is not difficult to make, it uses the same transistors that i am using with different configuration.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on March 06, 2015, 01:53:36 AM
Tinselkoala, i understand your explanation and i will continue experimenting with my oscilloscope, i sow that my scope is not complete, i will try to study more about the use and specifications, (MY PROBLEM IS THAT I NEVER STUDIED ELECTRONICS) but i will the best i can.


About the entry 2014, i have a potential enemy, is ZERO FOSSIL FUEL, which attacked me with a stupid video  few years ago for no reason, for that  was my disqualification, this man needs urgent to visit A GOOD PSYCHIATRIST...![/size]
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Vortex1 on March 06, 2015, 02:06:22 AM
Hi Jorge

For best efficiency, you don't want to switch too fast, 30 pulses per second should be fine. You can adjust C1 and R1 as I said, but may get best results by adding a ferrite rod.

The circuit is generic and should be all over the net, I don't have any links, did it from my old memory.

TK:

Good advice on the scope use. I always enjoy seeing your innovative breadboards....like the battery holder in the last one with the anode adjuster!  ;)

I have some neons with a Radium coating on the outside envelope, removed from old electronic equipment. I think the Radium was put on to lower the ionization voltage, but I haven't tested them yet . Can't wait to put those into a project, but need to find my lead suit.  :P I've also read somewhere that certain neons have radioactive doped electrodes.

Regards, Vortex1 / ION

Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Void on March 06, 2015, 03:05:00 AM
Hi Skycollection, an oscilloscope is useful if you want to look at the waveform shapes, but not essential
for what you are doing. It will probably be more useful and simpler for you to place a current meter (ammeter) in one of the
battery wires to measure the DC current coming from your batteries (or from your super capacitors). You can then multiply
the current you measure from the battery times the battery terminal voltage to get a fairly good idea of your input power.
Without making this measurement you just don't know how your circuit is performing at all. This is easy to do and would be a
good start if you are interested in trying to see how you circuit is really performing. Your circuit is working well, but LED lights can be
quite deceiving. The LED lights could be running at half power or less, and the LED lights can still glow quite brightly.
All the best...


Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MarkE on March 06, 2015, 05:26:08 AM
Hi Skycollection, an oscilloscope is useful if you want to look at the waveform shapes, but not essential
for what you are doing. It will probably be more useful and simpler for you to place a current meter (ammeter) in one of the
battery wires to measure the DC current coming from your batteries (or from your super capacitors). You can then multiply
the current you measure from the battery times the battery terminal voltage to get a fairly good idea of your input power.
Without making this measurement you just don't know how your circuit is performing at all. This is easy to do and would be a
good start if you are interested in trying to see how you circuit is really performing. Your circuit is working well, but LED lights can be
quite deceiving. The LED lights could be running at half power or less, and the LED lights can still glow quite brightly.
All the best...
In low power circuits, the burden voltage of a DMM's current measuring circuit can be a problem.  Additionally, while high quality meters have low inducatnce current sense resistors, that is not universally true.  The result is that for spikey signals, you can get inaccurate averages.  The burden voltage is specified for most meters. 

The preferred way to measure current is using a current shunt that is in the circuit and that has a sufficiently low inductance that it will not cause serious measurement distortion.  For that, a low inductance resistor, preferably a four wire Kelvin resistor is the way to go.  You can make a poor man's Kelvin resistor by soldering wires to a low inductance sense resistor right at the body.  Or you can pay more and just buy four wire sense resistors.  The lower the value of the current sense resistor, and the faster the current rise time and fall times, the more important it is to sense with a very low inductance shunt.   These sorts of shunts are available for about $1.00 each from Digikey for the two terminal types and $2 - $6 each for the four terminal types depending on wattage.  TK shows some of the two terminal types in some of his videos.  In one video in particular he demonstrates the huge difference between measurements made across a low inductance shunt and an ordinary cement wire-wound power resistor.







Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MarkE on March 06, 2015, 05:31:50 AM
Hi Jorge

You mentioned wanting to eliminate your rotor magnet.

Try this "old school" multi-vibrator circuit. It is one of my favorites.

It uses the same transistors you are now using in a slightly different configuration.

You may have to experiment with the values for C1 and R1, and if you can measure the inductance of your driving coil, I can approximate better values for C1, R1.

As the circuit  stands it charges the inductor about every 8 milliseconds and discharges in 2 milliseconds, with a burst of high current pulses into the LED.

The scopeshot shows the inductor ramp up and discharge current (white), during the inductor discharge, you can see the LED current pulses in blue'

It should be self starting. You can use a potentiometer in series with R1 to adjust the firing rate and brightness.

It might also help to add a ferrite rod through your coils to raise the inductance. It will also allow the circuit to operate at a lower frequency, so switching loss will not be a big problem.

When everything is properly tuned to your coils, you will be amazed what this little circuit can do.

There are many additional refinements that can be added to the circuit to increase its efficiency, but this is a good starting point for you.

Kind Regards
Vorex1 / ION
A modest capacitor across the LED should improve the circuit efficiency quite a bit.  Alternatively, remove the Schottky diode and you have something similar to your basic garden stick light.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Vortex1 on March 06, 2015, 06:25:06 AM
A modest capacitor across the LED should improve the circuit efficiency quite a bit.  Alternatively, remove the Schottky diode and you have something similar to your basic garden stick light.

Yes, agreed

You can also eliminate C1 and use a 220k resistor  in it's place to eliminate the burst firing effect. The Schottky diode is not really needed as the reverse voltage is not that high.

As I said, this is the most basic circuit, there are considerable enhancements that can be implemented, I have not included them to keep it simple.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Void on March 06, 2015, 09:55:01 AM
@MarkE:  The method I mentioned for measuring the DC input current from the battery using any sort of half decent
quality ammeter should give a fairly reasonably accurate current measurement for the type of circuit that Jorge is using.
That is all Jorge really needs at this point, so that he can get a half decent idea how his circuit is performing, if he is interested.

@Skycollection: When you say bifilar, trifilar, pentafilar, etc., for your primary pancake coil, do you mean as in the way Arto shows it?
Also, what capacitance value are your two super capacitors?

All the best...


Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MarkE on March 06, 2015, 11:39:03 AM
@MarkE:  The method I mentioned for measuring the DC input current from the battery using any sort of half decent
quality ammeter should give a fairly reasonably accurate current measurement for the type of circuit that Jorge is using.
That is all Jorge really needs at this point, so that he can get a half decent idea how his circuit is performing, if he is interested.

@Skycollection: When you say bifilar, trifilar, pentafilar, etc., for your primary pancake coil, do you mean as in the way Arto shows it?
Also, what capacitance value are your two super capacitors?

All the best...
If a decent decoupling network is placed on the load side of the DMM, then the DMM can read average current well without question.  If there are pulse currents, then it depends on:  frequency, duty-cycle, and rise-time.  Poynt99 and others have demonstrated that DMMs do a surprisingly good job of averaging AC voltages measured across current sense resistors  going through the DMM carries the caveats that I mentioned.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on March 06, 2015, 03:06:57 PM
Mark E: The supercaps value is 25 F 2,7 volts each one. About the pancake coils, trifilar, cuadrifilar etc, i have in the primary group of pancake coils in "series" is a group of 4 pancakes coils connected in series, and i have other groups in parallel to the primary group, insolated and divided, individually no contact with the primary group, those groups no connected enter in "self oscillation" they are pickup coils, all the pickup coils have a 12 volts led bulbs connected in the green terminal.
I realy have a "simple transformer" and MILEHIGH is correct to say "that is only a simple transformer", i am trying to measure the input voltage, i have a new circuit that i am testing, VORTEX1 send me the squematic circuit, this circuit is good for me because i don´t need the magnet rotor, yesterday i did a test and it works, but i have to change the ceramic condenser and the resistance of 20K, I AM TRYING with different values. I will post a new video and i hope i can measure the input voltage, but i don´t really know how the measure the output voltage because i have a lot of pickup coils....! saludos from mexico...!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Vortex1 on March 06, 2015, 03:43:39 PM
Hi Jorge

Here is a variation that uses a resistor R2 in place of capacitor C1. It runs at about 1000 Hz with 50 millihenry coil.

I have also eliminated the 1N5817 diode, which is ok to do if you keep your input voltage low @4.5 Volts.

You can try different values for R1 and R2 to get the wave shape and frequency that works best with your coils.

If you are going to be working with coils I recommend you buy a cheap LC meter, it will help you understand your circuits better. A cheap one is better than none. I bought this one and am happy with it, although there are cheaper ones on ebay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LC200A-Inductance-Inductor-Capacitance-Capacitor-L-C-Multimeter-Meter-Tester-/111322018636?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19eb4f334c

Regards
Vortex1



Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Void on March 06, 2015, 04:09:02 PM
As I said, this is the most basic circuit, there are considerable enhancements that can be implemented, I have not included them to keep it simple.

Hi Vortex1. I would like to test with the multivibrator circuit you showed as well.
Do you have any suggestions for efficiency improvements for this circuit?
All the best...


Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Void on March 06, 2015, 04:14:47 PM
A modest capacitor across the LED should improve the circuit efficiency quite a bit. 

Hi MarkE. Why does a modest size capacitor across the LED improve the efficiency quite a bit?
Roughly what sort of capacitance value would be suitable?
All the best...

Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: magpwr on March 06, 2015, 04:56:59 PM
Hi Jorge

Here is a variation that uses a resistor R2 in place of capacitor C1. It runs at about 1000 Hz with 50 millihenry coil.

I have also eliminated the 1N5817 diode, which is ok to do if you keep your input voltage low @4.5 Volts.

You can try different values for R1 and R2 to get the wave shape and frequency that works best with your coils.

If you are going to be working with coils I recommend you buy a cheap LC meter, it will help you understand your circuits better. A cheap one is better than none. I bought this one and am happy with it, although there are cheaper ones on ebay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LC200A-Inductance-Inductor-Capacitance-Capacitor-L-C-Multimeter-Meter-Tester-/111322018636?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19eb4f334c (http://www.ebay.com/itm/LC200A-Inductance-Inductor-Capacitance-Capacitor-L-C-Multimeter-Meter-Tester-/111322018636?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19eb4f334c)

Regards
Vortex1

hi Vortex1,

I agree with you since i am using this similar  model LC200A a cheap and reliable L/C meter which produce accurate reading. :D
Optional-I merely modified the wire to thicker transparent audio wire of the same length along with new plug for L/C meter.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Vortex1 on March 06, 2015, 06:49:46 PM
Hi Vortex1. I would like to test with the multivibrator circuit you showed as well.
Do you have any suggestions for efficiency improvements for this circuit?
All the best...
.

Before you get into improvements you need to define the goal or end use of the device you want to build. When all the required parameters the device are noted, that is usually the stating point for the design.

Then some tailoring can be looked at. I recommend getting very familiar with the circuit and the effects of changing values. Keep a log of coil inductance, R1, R2 values, and log overall efficiency by measuring power input and power output.

Be aware that the transistors may vary in current gain,  so you may get different results from batch to batch. If possible measure the transistors gain then you can easily compute the compound gain of the two devices and set inductor ramping current with R1//R2.

Read the transistor data sheets. If you want to operate at higher voltage input and / or higher power, you may need different transistors.

The circuit can be made to switch faster with a little speedup network (RC) across R2, sometimes just a small capacitor across R2 is all that is needed.

More to come

Regards
Vortex1

Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Vortex1 on March 06, 2015, 06:52:34 PM
hi Vortex1,

I agree with you since i am using this similar  model LC200A a cheap and reliable L/C meter which produce accurate reading. :D
Optional-I merely modified the wire to thicker transparent audio wire of the same length along with new plug for L/C meter.

That's a good idea, the leads and connectors are not the highest quality and can be upgraded.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Void on March 06, 2015, 08:48:37 PM
@SkyCollection. Thanks for the reply. See the attached diagram of a quadrifilar pancake coil
as designed by Arto Juhani Heino. Is this the design you are using for your quadrifilar primary pancake coil?

@Vortex1. Thanks for the preliminary info on increasing efficiency of the multivibrator circuit.
I hope to find some time this weekend to breadboard it and do some initial tests.

All the best...
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on March 06, 2015, 09:24:58 PM
VOID, i have other configuration, Heino have four wires in the pancake coil at the same time, my configuration is the same if i put the four pancake coils in parallel...!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on March 07, 2015, 01:55:11 PM
Vortex1 with the R2 220K resistance, it doesn´t work, the ceramic small condenser is fantanstic...!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Vortex1 on March 07, 2015, 03:24:56 PM
Vortex1 with the R2 220K resistance, it doesn´t work, the ceramic small condenser is fantanstic...!

Hi Jorge

See if you can measure or otherwise compute the inductance of your coils(e.g. by resonant frequency with a parallel known value capacitor). Then I can tell you the best value for R2 or C1. Or just try different values for R2 or C, until it runs to your liking.

Regards
Vortex1
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on March 07, 2015, 09:51:49 PM
Skycollection's new video; "Vortex1 Multi-Vibrator":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akAVY0rLXTE
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on March 07, 2015, 10:22:59 PM
Vortex1 we don´t need to change nothing, your multi-vibrator is perfect for me.....! thnaks for sharing. saludos from mexico...!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: TinselKoala on March 07, 2015, 11:48:09 PM
Measuring inductance by resonating a tank circuit, using oscilloscope and function generator and frequency counter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpJwCNBHUh0

Measuring frequency with an analog oscilloscope:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teXXF0a_WoI
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on March 08, 2015, 02:22:56 AM
Tinselkoala, for you is easy to make a test in the oscilloscope because you studied electronics, for me is the first time i connect an "incomplete oscilloscope" i don´t have the testers that i see in your video, i don´t have a teacher or person who can make a test for me, here in mexico do not exist interest in free energy, all people are very happy and pay extraordinary money for gas and energy because they don´t mind the future....! for me is difficult because i don´t have economic resourcers for investigation and experimentation, and is difficult to understant for me the first time how to use an oscilloscope.....! i apologize for the test you want, and i hope i can measure my pancake coils in the future....! i would like that somebody do the test for me but i need an economic doanations to send my pancake coils to a good laboratory in USA end trust in god...!
Saludos from mexico
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MarkE on March 08, 2015, 02:34:54 AM
Tinselkoala, for you is easy to make a test in the oscilloscope because you studied electronics, for me is the first time i connect an "incomplete oscilloscope" i don´t have the testers that i see in your video, i don´t have a teacher or person who can make a test for me, here in mexico do not exist interest in free energy, all people are very happy and pay extraordinary money for gas and energy because they don´t mind the future....! for me is difficult because i don´t have economic resourcers for investigation and experimentation, and is difficult to understant for me the first time how to use an oscilloscope.....! i apologize for the test you want, and i hope i can measure my pancake coils in the future....! i would like that somebody do the test for me but i need an economic doanations to send my pancake coils to a good laboratory in USA end trust in god...!
Saludos from mexico
If you do not have a precision capacitor, or a calibrated oscilloscope, or a frequency counter, then you can find the inductance of your windings by other means, such as a $25. LCR meter.

Here is one advertised for $7.14:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/gib-A830L-Digital-LCD-Capacitance-Inductance-LCR-Meter-Tester-Multimeter-NEW-/171505558794?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item27ee87250a
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Pirate88179 on March 08, 2015, 02:54:11 AM
If you do not have a precision capacitor, or a calibrated oscilloscope, or a frequency counter, then you can find the inductance of your windings by other means, such as a $25. LCR meter.

Here is one advertised for $7.14:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/gib-A830L-Digital-LCD-Capacitance-Inductance-LCR-Meter-Tester-Multimeter-NEW-/171505558794?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item27ee87250a (http://www.ebay.com/itm/gib-A830L-Digital-LCD-Capacitance-Inductance-LCR-Meter-Tester-Multimeter-NEW-/171505558794?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item27ee87250a)

Mark:

Thanks!  I am still broke but I just ordered one of those meters.  It was $7.32 with the exchange rate.  If it works at all it will be very helpful.

Good find.

Bill
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Vortex1 on March 08, 2015, 03:09:09 AM
If you do not have a precision capacitor, or a calibrated oscilloscope, or a frequency counter, then you can find the inductance of your windings by other means, such as a $25. LCR meter.

Here is one advertised for $7.14:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/gib-A830L-Digital-LCD-Capacitance-Inductance-LCR-Meter-Tester-Multimeter-NEW-/171505558794?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item27ee87250a (http://www.ebay.com/itm/gib-A830L-Digital-LCD-Capacitance-Inductance-LCR-Meter-Tester-Multimeter-NEW-/171505558794?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item27ee87250a)

Hi MarkE
That's one inexpensive meter (A830L), a lot better than no meter, but I wonder what the accuracy on L or C is.

Edit:Some people in the "questions section" of the listing are claiming it does not measure L or C and the description is wrong. When magnifying, I could not see L or C settings on the range switch. Buyers beware.


I  recommended the LC200A  because it had the best accuracy for the money back when I was checking specs a couple of years ago, but at $35 it may be out of reach for some. It also had a zeroing feature which I liked.

Regards
Vortex!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: TinselKoala on March 08, 2015, 04:18:28 AM
@skycollection:
My "scoposcopy" videos are intended to show people how to use their oscilloscopes for various basic purposes. I was hoping that you would see something you could use in the two I posted above. I'm just trying to help you learn to use the "King of Test Equipment", your oscilloscope.

MarkE has started an "oscilloscope" thread to help people learn to use their equipment, and I think we've already helped at least one person to gain the basic knowledge necessary to make a few measurements with his scope.. I'm happy to answer questions and help you to learn how to use your scope, and I'm sure MarkE is also willing to help out.

You do not need the other items of equipment shown as long as your oscilloscope is functioning properly and is reasonably close to being "calibrated". A Function Generator of some kind is very good to have but even that isn't absolutely necessary. Most modern components, like capacitors and resistors, will generally be very close to their labelled values even if they are marked "10 percent" tolerance. Modern poly film capacitors especially are usually very close to the labelled values, I have found. Ceramic ones will vary a lot more. 

Using a camera with adjustable shutter speed, and the analog oscilloscope's "single shot" mode, you can even just use a battery to make a momentary contact with a tank circuit formed by connecting a capacitor whose value you know, in parallel with your unknown coil. The tank will "ring" for a few cycles at the resonant frequency of the tank when you break the connection to the battery. Capture this "single shot" on a photograph, read the frequency of the ringing using the scope's timebase setting and the graticule markers, and plug the frequency and the capacitor value into the resonant frequency calculator formula, and you can find your inductance to within a few percent. Just with the scope and a camera, no other equipment is necessary. This takes a bit of practice to do and it's not exactly "basic" scope usage, but when you've done it you can be proud of your new-found skills and your knowledge of "scoposcopy"!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on March 08, 2015, 05:07:58 AM
Tinselkoala, ok is correct that you say and i agreed with you, i will study more about my scope and i will make experiments and tests to understand more about my scope.
saludos Jorge
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on March 08, 2015, 05:18:45 AM
Vortex1.....i made a test with my "first" circuit (NO THE MULTI-VIBRATOR)  and i discover that the circuit ENTER IN SELF OSCILLATION with the four batteries, no failures, all the time swicht on the leds, and i made a test with two batteries and i need the rotor magnet. I think both circuits works very well but with 5.3 volts (4 baterries). What do you think...?
my e mail is: skycollection@hotmail.com  in case you want to write me....!




Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MarkE on March 08, 2015, 08:05:21 AM
Hi MarkE
That's one inexpensive meter (A830L), a lot better than no meter, but I wonder what the accuracy on L or C is.

Edit:Some people in the "questions section" of the listing are claiming it does not measure L or C and the description is wrong. When magnifying, I could not see L or C settings on the range switch. Buyers beware.


I  recommended the LC200A  because it had the best accuracy for the money back when I was checking specs a couple of years ago, but at $35 it may be out of reach for some. It also had a zeroing feature which I liked.

Regards
Vortex!
I notice that on eBay a number of Chinese sellers misuse acronyms.  They write things like LCR when the meter is a simple DMM with an LCD display.  eBay is the home of buyer beware.  There are LCR meters on eBay that definitely have distinct R, C, and L ranges, and they are available for less than $25.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Pirate88179 on March 08, 2015, 08:28:02 AM
I notice that on eBay a number of Chinese sellers misuse acronyms.  They write things like LCR when the meter is a simple DMM with an LCD display.  eBay is the home of buyer beware.  There are LCR meters on eBay that definitely have distinct R, C, and L ranges, and they are available for less than $25.

Well, I googled the model number and some different sites other than ebay have it listed as an lcr multimeter.  However, some sites also show the same meter, and model number, and simply call it a digital multimeter.  So, considering their answers to those 2 questions on the ebay site, I believe I just ordered a cheap multimeter.  Oh well, I can always use another meter I suppose.  We shall see.

Bill
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Vortex1 on March 08, 2015, 05:04:37 PM
Hi Jorge

By the way, the complementary transistor multi vibrator circuit is not my creation, it goes back perhaps 50 years or more and is in any good transistor application manual of that period such as the GE transistor manual.

If you have a meter and can measure the resistance of your coils, that would be helpful to simulate.

Also the multi vibrator circuit can be made to work on just one battery by changing R1 to a lower value.

In addition to the excellent methods of TinselKoala, If you know the number of turns on your coil, you can get a good approximation of the inductance from any of a number of websites that do the calculation for you.

I'm sure there is one better suited to your coils, but this is a start:

e.g.   http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/indsol.html (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/indsol.html)
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Vortex1 on March 08, 2015, 05:35:50 PM
Vortex1.....i made a test with my "first" circuit (NO THE MULTI-VIBRATOR)  and i discover that the circuit ENTER IN SELF OSCILLATION with the four batteries, no failures, all the time swicht on the leds, and i made a test with two batteries and i need the rotor magnet. I think both circuits works very well but with 5.3 volts (4 baterries). What do you think...?
my e mail is: skycollection@hotmail.com  in case you want to write me....!

Very good, so now is the time to make some power measurements to determine the efficiency of your circuits.

Starting with measuring power input by measuring input current and input voltage.....no guessing, you must make the measurements with meters in the circuit while it is running.

Then we can get to power output measurements. This can be a bit more difficult.

As you get good with your scope there are many techniques to do some of this with your scope. This has been taught on forums in the past by TK, Poynt99,
MarkE and Milehigh so I won't repeat it.

Lighting the lights is the very easy part. Determining the efficiency and optimizing the circuits for highest efficiency is where the real knowledge of coils and circuits is gained.

Kind Regards
Vortex1
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Void on March 08, 2015, 06:12:38 PM
If you know the number of turns on your coil, you can get a good approximation of the inductance from any of a number of websites that do the calculation for you.
I'm sure there is one better suited to your coils, but this is a start:
e.g.   http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/indsol.html (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/indsol.html)

Hi Vortex1. I don't think that will work. From what I understand Jorge is using pancake coils,
not long solenoids. Also Jorge has said he has pancake coils connected in series for his primary, if I understood
correctly, plus other pancake coils stacked on that for secondaries.  It won't be easy to calculate his primary
inductance. Measuring the inductance would be much easier for his setup.
P.S. I have the same blue LC meter that you recommended and I find it works quite good as well.
All the best...
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Void on March 08, 2015, 06:48:41 PM
Jorge, it should be quite simple for you to get a fairly ballpark measurement of your
battery current, as I mentioned previously. I saw in another video of yours that you have a
multimeter. See the attached diagram on how to connect your multimeter to measure the current
being drawn from your battery pack. This will measure the average current, which is close enough
to get a reasonable idea of how much current your circuit is drawing. Use the 10 amp scale to start
because you are probably drawing more than 200 mA, and you don't want to blow a fuse in your meter
if it has one, or otherwise damage your meter.
Note: You need to plug your red meter probe into the probe jack that is marked '10A'.
The 10A scale will not be really accurate, but it is a good place to start to see approximately how much
current you are drawing from your battery pack. You can then reconfigure the probes and meter to measure
DC volts, and measure the battery terminal voltage while your multivibrator circuit is running.
If you have any questions feel free to ask. :)
Without doing this basic measurement of battery current and battery terminal voltage while the circuit is running,
it is hard to estimate how your circuit is performing.
All the best...

Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Vortex1 on March 08, 2015, 07:08:12 PM
Hi Vortex1. I don't think that will work. From what I understand Jorge is using pancake coils,
not long solenoids. Also Jorge has said he has pancake coils connected in series for his primary, if I understood
correctly, plus other pancake coils stacked on that for secondaries.  It won't be easy to calculate his primary
inductance. Measuring the inductance would be much easier for his setup.
P.S. I have the same blue LC meter that you recommended and I find it works quite good as well.
All the best...

Hi Void

Yes it may be difficult, I was hoping to find a good calculator that was better suited to his pancake style coils, but couldn't.

re: AFAIK the LC200A was the best bang for the buck back a few years ago when I bought it.
It suits my needs.
There may be better ones today. I was looking for decent accuracy for the home experimenter on a budget, and I wanted a zeroing capability, and a case, not open board. You can get the same device cheaper as an open board unit w/o power supply.

 Some of the better looking meters of that time had far worse accuracy or no accuracy spec. I was looking in the under $40 class. Today the game may have changed.

Regards, ION
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on March 08, 2015, 09:33:54 PM
Ok, i made the test with my yelow multimmeter and the result was:     INPUT VOLTAGE = 5.12 VOLTS X 0.08 = 0.4096 WATTS


This result is somewhat erratic BECAUSE MY HAND MADE SOME "INTERFERENCE" IN THE CIRCUIT THAT IS VERY NEAR OF THE PANCAKE COILS, IS "SOMETHING RARE" ...!


THE TEST WAS WITH THE QUADRIFILAR PANCAKE COIL, I HAVE THREE PICUP COILS WITH THREE BULB LEDS, TWO BULBS ARE OF 3 WATTS AND THE OTHER BULB LED IS TWO WATTS, A FRIEND OF MINE SELL ME, HE TOLD ME THE SPECIFICATIONS OF THE LED BULBS.
SALUDOS JORGE
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Void on March 09, 2015, 03:03:57 AM
Hi Skycollection. Thanks. Ok on your input measurements, that is interesting. Your pancake coil setup seems to be
working quite efficiently then, assuming the current measurement is ballpark. Your LED lights are probably not
running much near full brightness however (unless you have over unity :) ). Can't really tell the actual brightness
when just viewing the LED lights in a video. Measuring output power accurately on LED lights is tricky
when you are driving them with an AC signal. I think you said your LED lights are designed for 12 VDC. If you have a
power supply that you can set to 12 VDC, you can connect the LED lights to it and compare the brightness of your LED
lights at 12 VDC compared to how bright they look when being run by your circuit. When LED lights are driven with pulses
I think they can appear brighter than if they are driven by the same power level at DC. Just my impression, I could be wrong
about that. :)  Anyway, your coil arrangement seems to working very well, so good job on that!
All the best...

Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on March 09, 2015, 03:43:16 AM
Thanks VOID, I made the comparison LED bulb brightness with a 12-volts battery, and with my vivrator circuit, using only one 12 volts bulb led and the result was impressive....! I almost reached the brightness LED bulb with a battery of 12 volts and my pancake coil, I would say 90% of brilliance, i was thinking in build a joule thief and connect to the led bulb and see what happens.


I have a "rare effect" with the circuit, i check all the connections and i don´t have false contact, the rare effect consist in place my hand above the circuit and i have an "interference" that swicht off the bulb leds,
I have always seen that there are many things unknown in my pancake coils, this effect is like radio waves that they do "ground" with my hand, i was thinking in build a special bi-filar pancake coil and use only one bulb of leds, i think i can make a practical application with my pancake coils.


I really apreciate all your commentaries and i will continue with more experiments and i hope get the goal...!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Void on March 09, 2015, 04:07:52 AM
Thanks VOID, I made the comparison LED bulb brightness with a 12-volts battery, and with my vivrator circuit, using only one 12 volts bulb led and the result was impressive....! I almost reached the brightness LED bulb with a battery of 12 volts and my pancake coil, I would say 90% of brilliance, i was thinking in build a joule thief and connect to the led bulb and see what happens.

I have a "rare effect" with the circuit, i check all the connections and i don´t have false contact, the rare effect consist in place my hand above the circuit and i have an "interference" that swicht off the bulb leds, I have always seen that there are many things unknown in my pancake coils, this effect is like radio waves that they do "ground" with my hand, i was thinking in build a special bi-filar pancake coil and use only one bulb of leds, i think i can make a practical application with my pancake coils.

I really apreciate all your commentaries and i will continue with more experiments and i hope get the goal...!

Hi Skycollection.  If your LED bulb with your pancake coil circuit is somewhere close to the brightness
of the LED bulb when the LED bulb is connected to a 12V battery, then that is quite impressive.

If one or more of your pancake coils are running close to or at a resonance frequency, then when you place your
hand near the coils you can untune the coils and cause them to move away from their resonance frequency. This happens
because your body has capacitance and when you move your hand or body close to the coils your body capacitance
interacts with the coils and changes their resonant frequency, or to say it another way,  it changes the tuning of the coils.
You are altering the capacitance of the coil assembly when you move your hand close to the coils. This same effect occurs with
any coils that are run at or close to a resonance frequency. It seems that one or more of your coils may be running at or near a resonance frequency.

All the best...

Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on March 09, 2015, 04:58:29 PM
Void, i did another test with other bi-filar pancake coil and in accordance with the resistance ohms is the result, for example, other pancake coil was:input voltage= 5.02 volts x 0.27 = 1.35 watts the led bulb of 12 volts i am using is of three watts. IS POSSIBLE THAT MY PANCAKE COILS, TRI-FILAR, CUADRIFILAR, PENTAFILAR AND SEPTEFILAR COILS, HAVE LOW RESISTANCE OHMS, and is difficult that the bulb leds swith on correctly or with all its intensity ...!


Any way is an interesting project that leaves me a good experience....!

Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Void on March 09, 2015, 09:14:37 PM
Void, i did another test with other bi-filar pancake coil and in accordance with the resistance ohms is the result, for example, other pancake coil was:input voltage= 5.02 volts x 0.27 = 1.35 watts the led bulb of 12 volts i am using is of three watts. IS POSSIBLE THAT MY PANCAKE COILS, TRI-FILAR, CUADRIFILAR, PENTAFILAR AND SEPTEFILAR COILS, HAVE LOW RESISTANCE OHMS, and is difficult that the bulb leds swith on correctly or with all its intensity ...!
Any way is an interesting project that leaves me a good experience....!

Hi Skycollection. I am not sure what you mean, as the resistance of the pancake coil is not really much of
a factor in the input power consumption of your entire circuit (your driver circuit plus the coils plus the LED bulbs).
Do you mean that while your circuit was running with the LED bulbs also connected and lighting up, that the
input power consumption was around 1.35 Watts? Just to confirm, you understand that you have to measure the input
power with the driver circuit running and the LED bulbs connected and lighting up? This is what you did?
All the best...

Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on March 15, 2015, 03:33:14 AM
Skycollection's new "Mutual Inductance" video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaLy9k6XCR4
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on March 16, 2015, 07:50:39 PM
It makes sense to immerse the coils in a ferrite slurry to harden into an induction Shell maximizing the Surface area in contact. My bet is it's outperforming a "Pot Transformer" like the one Akula's using on his LED generator.

This innovation of Skycollection's may come to be recognized as a major advance in due course.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on March 17, 2015, 01:13:07 AM
Thanks SYNCHRO1, i hope this experiment it serves for you....!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFIG-OiWhts

Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on March 20, 2015, 05:36:06 PM
THIS IS A GOOD EXPERIENCE WITH THE MULTI-VIBRATOR, I HOPE IT SERVES FOR YOU...!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBbug4qjKuk
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on March 27, 2015, 02:11:45 PM
To greekboy......this is the circuit diagram, i hope it serves for you. PANCAKE COIL GEN


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tk1uGY_Jgg



Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on March 27, 2015, 06:08:01 PM
To greekboy......this is the circuit diagram, i hope it serves for you. PANCAKE COIL GEN


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tk1uGY_Jgg

@Skycollection,

Chevere! Looks and sounds alot like a large version of the "Imhotep" electric fan motor. I would estimate the COP at very close to unity. Probably one of the most efficient electric motors ever designed. Very clean.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on March 27, 2015, 11:22:13 PM
Thanks syncro, i think I have many enemies as zerofossilfuel, and other people that are jealous of my work for me is only fun ..! this motor believe or not.... is a great motor 100% efficient...! if you don´t like the circuit first do it and second comment....!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Arthurs on March 29, 2015, 04:37:06 PM

Hi Skycollection


I follow your experiment replication, Using normal coil, and Unifilar pancake coil, Bifilar pancake coils, Were carried out comparing drivers to pick up and power
Concluded that:
Whether Unifilar pancake coils, Or Bifilar pancake coils, Their effects and normal coil identical, Without the slightest increase efficiency and improve.
Driving efficiency and normal coil performance is identical;
Lenz resistance and normal coil performance is identical;
Generation efficiency and normal coil performance are identical.


May have offended you, but you can also use the normal coil for comparison.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on March 29, 2015, 07:21:26 PM
Hi Arthurs.....NO DOUBT about conventional coil but.....PANCAKE COIL HAVE INDUCTIVE COUPLING EFFECT, PANCAKE COIL IT IS EASIER TO ENTER IN SELF OSCILLATION, I CAN INDUCE THE VOLTAGE IN SEVERAL PANCAKE COILS....MY QUESTION IS: CAN YOU MAKE A SEPTEFILAR CONVENTIONAL COIL...? I AM STUDYING THE PANCAKE COIL FOR YEARS AND I DIDN´T FIND THE END THE TUNNEL...!


I can see amazing work in your coils and i would like that you can make the experiments that i can´t do because i have no technologics implements, i hope you can measure your motor and post the results on youtube....! i send you a photo of my pancake coils and i will apreciate any result you have, i apologize for my bad english, i don´t speak english but i have two eyes and brain.
saludos from mexico
jorge rebolledo
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on March 29, 2015, 07:36:57 PM
You can see the photo of the pancake coils, all the groups in series are insulated and divided, for example the SEPTEFILAR COILS consist in six groups of six pancake coils in series, all the pancake coils don´t have contact with the other groups, every pancake coils groups are individual pancake coils, the voltage is "induced" to the other groups of pancake coils, only one group is connected to the circuit...!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Arthurs on March 30, 2015, 03:08:43 AM

Hi Skycollection


Thanks reply
I'm very interested in your experiment,Because of this,As you can see:My replication very carefully,I also hope I can replicate the success,My success with replication to verify your findings.


Right now.
Add pictures,Description coil assembly and connect my replication.


For the pancake coil,Between each pancake coil and the surface has a polyimide insulating film professional electronic products used(Certainly there is no normal coil).


I really feel replication without error,
Please correct me,

Thank you!



PS:
In order to allow binding between each pancake coil closer,Induction better,[size=78%]When I experiment,Each pancake coil lead wires are led out from the inside and the outside and connected to each other,If you do not,Will there is a gap 0.8mm (AWG 20) enameled wire between each pancake coil.[/size]
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MileHigh on March 30, 2015, 04:45:44 AM
Thanks syncro, i think I have many enemies as zerofossilfuel, and other people that are jealous of my work for me is only fun ..! this motor believe or not.... is a great motor 100% efficient...! if you don´t like the circuit first do it and second comment....!

Jorge:

If you want to be more scientific then your words have to have real meaning.  What does "is a great motor 100% efficient" really mean?

Efficiency in percentage means:  (A/B x 100)

What is A?  What is B?   If you don't define what A and B are, and how you measured them, then your statement is meaningless.

MileHigh   
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MileHigh on March 30, 2015, 04:51:31 AM
Arthurs:

Quote
I follow your experiment replication, Using normal coil, and Unifilar pancake coil, Bifilar pancake coils, Were carried out comparing drivers to pick up and power
Concluded that:
Whether Unifilar pancake coils, Or Bifilar pancake coils, Their effects and normal coil identical, Without the slightest increase efficiency and improve.
Driving efficiency and normal coil performance is identical;
Lenz resistance and normal coil performance is identical;
Generation efficiency and normal coil performance are identical.

Good work, your results are 100% as expected.  In fact, even before you did those experiments, you can examine the expected results "on paper."  You research how magnetic fields work, you research how a single loop of wire generates a magnetic field, and you can arrive at the conclusion that all of your tests should give you the same results before you even do the experiment.

People that research this stuff have to work on understanding the underlying principles behind what is taking place in their experiments.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on March 30, 2015, 05:35:05 AM
Is correct, efficience in a motor is A and B, and is a long trip to get 100% but i think Arthurs motor will do it...! The process of the pancake coil is not difficult, i did my first pancake coil in 10 minutes with my acrylic mold, and the idea of the plastic resin to protect the pancake coil is very good idea also, this coil is for many years...! THE POLYMIDE INSULATING IS A GOOD IDEA ALSO, but this material will not change nothing, the pancake coil is good with this film and without the material, i will work soon in a new pancake coil "INSIDE OF A PERMANENT MAGNET" ....VERY SOON....!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MileHigh on March 30, 2015, 05:59:38 AM
Is correct, efficience in a motor is A and B, and is a long trip to get 100% but i think Arthurs motor will do it...! The process of the pancake coil is not difficult, i did my first pancake coil in 10 minutes with my acrylic mold, and the idea of the plastic resin to protect the pancake coil is very good idea also, this coil is for many years...! THE POLYMIDE INSULATING IS A GOOD IDEA ALSO, but this material will not change nothing, the pancake coil is good with this film and without the material, i will work soon in a new pancake coil "INSIDE OF A PERMANENT MAGNET" ....VERY SOON....!

A and B could be anything that you want them to be.  But if you don't define them, then any efficiency number means nothing.

No motor will ever have 100% efficiency, but like I state above, you must define what efficiency you are talking about.

Why would you want to put a coil inside of a permanent magnet?  What is the reason for this?   What are you expecting to happen?
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on March 30, 2015, 06:07:09 AM
I am a curious man...!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Arthurs on March 30, 2015, 02:55:34 PM
Hi skycollection
Please confirm that my copy is correct?
If there are errors,Please help me correct it.If it is correct,I can compare normal coil and pancake coil test shooting video.
But the best you can also make a normal coil,Comparison test with pancake coil,This is the most convincing.

For your experiment some suggestions:

1) For your current experiment,Experimental meaning little battery charge,To the battery charge time,There is a phenomenon:Observed on the surface charge quickly,Voltage rises quickly,There are actually "false charge"Seem charging is completed,But access to a certain load,Soon the battery will discharge end.In other words:Essentially no real complete charging.

2) When the LED is used as a load,Be sure to use both current and voltage meter to monitor the load,Because now the LED manufacturing process is very good,High brightness LED surface observation time,The actual current is very small.I actually tested a 12V / 3W LED lights,When the input voltage is 10V,Visually observed brightness is already high,At a time when the current is only 50mA,That is the power consumption of only 0.5W.When the voltage is increased to 12V,Current will soar,At this current will reach 300mA.

3) Use the "AA" batteries as a power source,Be sure to use the instrument to monitor the input voltage and current,Although "AA" batteries,But it is still able to provide a current of about 500mA-1A,Only its discharge time is relatively shortened."AA" batteries not a symbol of the power of the weak.

Look forward to your experiment to achieve better results!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on March 30, 2015, 04:35:27 PM
OK No. 1 is correct, when i am charging a battery it seems that is complete the charge, but when i connect a load, discharge very fast...! charge is not complete.
No. 2 is correct, led lights consume a very small voltage and the brightnees is almost complete with very low voltage.
No. 3 i don´t know what is the question, if you can more specific or change the question, remember that i don´t speak english.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on March 30, 2015, 05:01:57 PM
Arthur, you have a great error in how to assemble the pancake coils......YOU HAVE TO START AGAIN....! I SEND YOU A DIAGRAM AND SORRY FOR THAT...!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on March 30, 2015, 05:26:02 PM
Arthur, if you want i can send you my "original" pancake coils by DHL EXPRESS two days, i have many pancake coils that you can prove in your laboratory, but i need the shipping cost and some money for me for my work, if you are interested contat me to: skycollection@hotmail.com
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MileHigh on March 30, 2015, 06:47:44 PM
Is correct, efficience in a motor is A and B, and is a long trip to get 100% but i think Arthurs motor will do it...! The process of the pancake coil is not difficult, i did my first pancake coil in 10 minutes with my acrylic mold, and the idea of the plastic resin to protect the pancake coil is very good idea also, this coil is for many years...! THE POLYMIDE INSULATING IS A GOOD IDEA ALSO, but this material will not change nothing, the pancake coil is good with this film and without the material, i will work soon in a new pancake coil "INSIDE OF A PERMANENT MAGNET" ....VERY SOON....!

Jorge:

There is no logical or rational reason at all to put a coil inside of a permanent magnet.  Coils only respond to AC excitation and a fixed and non-moving magnet produces a DC magnetic field that will have no affect at all on the coil.

You have seen many diagrams of complex magnetic circuits that consist or one or more coils, some ferrite core material, and one or more permanent magnets to create some sort of transformer circuit.  The designer of the circuit will say something like adding the magnets to the circuit are for "more power" or something like that.  It is all lies, all bullshit and ignorance.  A permanent magnet will have zero affect on some kind of AC magnetic circuit.   Also, in many cases you can assume that eventually the permanent magnets will eventually become demagnetized because of the AC excitation from the coils that are being driven in the circuit.

I will repeat:  Using magnets in some kind of coil or transformer circuit is 100% nonsense that will have no beneficial effect.  You see it all the time, and all the time it is nonsense.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: TinselKoala on March 30, 2015, 11:33:24 PM
Careful there, MileHigh.
I have before me right now a handful of ferrite cored single- and multi-winding chokes/transformers that I've removed from old CRT TVs and monitors that have magnets as part of their construction. The magnets are used, I think,  to partially saturate the ferrite cores and bias them, so that the magnetic field from an AC signal into the windings will drive the core more towards saturation in one half-cycle and further away from saturation in the other half-cycle.
I really don't think designers would include the magnets if they had no effect on the performance of these devices.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MileHigh on March 31, 2015, 12:48:08 AM
TK:

I was being generic in my comments.  You are not 100% sure what the magnets were used for in the CRT monitor, but that is a specific application where a logical design choice was made for a real and valid reason.  That's in contrast to all of the funky and bizarre magnetic circuits that we see on the forums where magnets are added to the magnetic path "just because."

It's the same thing as people winding nonsensical "series bifilar" coils "just because."  They are only doing it because they see their peers doing it.  They are totally incapable of explaining why they are doing it.  Likewise, if they tested a regular coil vs. a "series bifilar" coil in their circuit they would not see any difference.  But the real problem is that they don't even bother to make the tests themselves to discover if there is any difference.

I think Thane Heins put a lot of permanent magnets in his strange magnetic circuits for his funky transformers.  It was all useless nonsense.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on March 31, 2015, 01:42:50 AM
The only way to know what happens with a pancake coil inside of a permanent magnet and connect any circuit, is doing the things and is the way to know exactly what happens, MileHigh ask me the reason to put a pancake coil inside of a permanent magnet and i have no answer.....for example if you sow one of my videos, i built a bi-filar pancake coil "inside of a ferrite core, this is an extraordinary experiment, i have no answer yet for this experiment because i have to make a lot of experiments with this coil, i sow in this coil an increase in the voltage induced and i think  exist other practical applications of this coil.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on March 31, 2015, 02:56:00 AM
It makes a difference if you put the magnet in the coil.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on March 31, 2015, 03:52:01 AM
Here one can see the effect of moving magnets inside a coil core. The magnets can be stationary and generate power also if only the flux is moved while the magnets are physically still:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBMYdE5NQOQ

Leon Dragon's "Magnet Pump" clearly demonstrates this effect. There's no reason why it can't work inside out for Skycollection.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MileHigh on March 31, 2015, 04:58:22 AM
The only way to know what happens with a pancake coil inside of a permanent magnet and connect any circuit, is doing the things and is the way to know exactly what happens, MileHigh ask me the reason to put a pancake coil inside of a permanent magnet and i have no answer.....for example if you sow one of my videos, i built a bi-filar pancake coil "inside of a ferrite core, this is an extraordinary experiment, i have no answer yet for this experiment because i have to make a lot of experiments with this coil, i sow in this coil an increase in the voltage induced and i think  exist other practical applications of this coil.

If you are going to put a pancake coil inside a permanent magnet and can't explain why you are doing it, then you need to construct a better experiment.  For example, also put a pancake coil inside a regular ferrite core.  Then you can compare the results you get when you compare the two devices.

I am not sure if you are making some kind of transformer with two or more pancake coils inside a permanent magnet.  If you are then you can compare with the same coil configuration inside a ferrite core.

The same thing applies to pancake coils.   Why are you making pancake coils?  If you don't know why , then you should compare pancake coils with regular coils.  If you construct a transformer with regular coils, then you can expect to get better results than a transformer with pancake coils.

This is the way science and electronics works.  You don't make things or copy things for no reason.  When you make an experiment there should be some logical thought process.

Here is an example:

1.  Make a 1:1 transformer with two pancake coils where I use 5 meters of wire for each coil.
2.  Make a 1:1 transformer with two regular coils where I use 5 meters of wire for each coil.
3.  Compare the results for power throughput and coupling factor for each transformer and analyze the results.

If you did the experiment above you would come to the conclusion that the regular coils will give you better performance than the pancake coils.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on March 31, 2015, 05:34:38 AM
@Milehigh,

When are you going to stop causing trouble?

"Bifilar Coil: A bifilar coil is a coil that contains two closely spaced parallel windings.There exist four types of bifilar wound coils:1.Parallel- wound, series connected;2.Parallel-wound, parallel connected;3.Counter-wound, series connected;4.Counter-wound, parallel connected. The bifilar coil is most commonly used in the following applications:1) To create a low-inductance coil with a large number of loops - This may be required to make a wire-wound resistor operating on alternating current.2) To create a circuit with parallel connected windings. The capacity of such coil will be a lot higher than that of any regular one (which allows one to use an additional capacitor in the circuit).3) The bifilar coil is a lot higher in quality than a regular one, although its wire diameter and frame are the same. This makes it a good choice for circuits and multiple-tuned transformers.4) In pulse transformers one of the windings of a bifilar coil is used as a means to dissipate the energy accumulated in the magnetic flux. Because the two coil windings are so closely spaced, they are penetrated by the same magnetic flux. One of the wires is usually grounded using a LED. So when the voltage on the other main wire is out, the magnetic flux generates current using the auxiliary (limiting) winding. The voltage on this winding is equal to the voltage drop on the diode (forward direction). Voltage of the same value appears on the main winding. Had the limiting winding not been used, the parasitic magnetic flux would have tried to induce the current in the main winding. As a result, this type of coil, invented by Tesla, is used in many electrical and radio devices. This small apparatus helps to achieve incredible results at a low cost".
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MileHigh on March 31, 2015, 06:24:45 AM
"Causing trouble" is your code word for when you are not capable of making a logical argument.

From Arthurs:

Quote
I follow your experiment replication, Using normal coil, and Unifilar pancake coil, Bifilar pancake coils, Were carried out comparing drivers to pick up and power
Concluded that:
Whether Unifilar pancake coils, Or Bifilar pancake coils, Their effects and normal coil identical, Without the slightest increase efficiency and improve.
Driving efficiency and normal coil performance is identical;
Lenz resistance and normal coil performance is identical;
Generation efficiency and normal coil performance are identical.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on March 31, 2015, 07:00:09 AM
About the conclusions of Artur, i respet his conclusions, but i did the experiment with two kind of coils with a bulb led of 12 volts, circuit the "multi-vibrator with two AA batteries and the conclusion was:[/font]
1.- PANCAKE COIL, AMAZING, AWESOME RESULT, I CAN LIGHT ON  BULB LED OF 12 VOLTS VERY BRIGHT, by induction, with ferrite core excellent result also...!
2.- With conventional BIFILAR COIL (similar resistance ohms) i didn´t get to iliminate the bulb of leds, with the same circuit and with the same two batteries.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on March 31, 2015, 07:07:17 AM
I respect  Arthur and i think he has no built the pancake coil correctly, I  sent you a diagram of how to connect the  pancake coils, if he manages to make a similar replica as mine, you will be surprised for the results...!


I proposed him to send by DHL EXPRESS my pancake coils with only the shipping cost and a financial contribution for my work and I had no answer, but i think he will do it if he see my diagram.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on March 31, 2015, 07:21:33 AM
"Causing trouble" is your code word for when you are not capable of making a logical argument.

From Arthurs:

@Milehigh,

The "Series Bifilar Coil" of Nicola Tesla is an AC coil. The coil has zero impedance to change in current direction. Running AC current through a "Single Wire" coil of equal Ohmic resistance will cause it to heat up while the "Bifilar" runs cool. Testing the two types of coils for comparison with a monopolar rotor or DC current will not produce any meaningful results.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on March 31, 2015, 07:21:44 AM
I post this video and the circuit for my pancake coils and a pulse motor-generator with 2 AA batteries...!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do5xtmfMRxI



Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on March 31, 2015, 08:23:11 AM
I post this video and the circuit for my pancake coils and a pulse motor-generator with 2 AA batteries...!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do5xtmfMRxI

@Jorge,

Asombroso!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Arthurs on March 31, 2015, 01:14:45 PM

Hi skycollection
Thank you very much guidance
I will follow you provide coil wiring diagram to continue to do the experiment,
All coils no clockwise or counterclockwise settings?
Or there is nothing "secret" technique?
My email: arthurs630514@hotmail.com
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Arthurs on March 31, 2015, 02:21:56 PM

Use "AA" batteries as a power source,
Does not explain the weak supply capacity,
For example: DURACELL "AA" battery capacity can reach more than 1700mAh,
So: Use "AA" batteries as the drive power can not explain the input power is small.
Thus: To know the exact input power,
Must be connected to the meter drive circuit monitors the input voltage and current.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on March 31, 2015, 02:41:04 PM
Use "AA" batteries as a power source,
Does not explain the weak supply capacity,
For example: DURACELL "AA" battery capacity can reach more than 1700mAh,
So: Use "AA" batteries as the drive power can not explain the input power is small.
Thus: To know the exact input power,
Must be connected to the meter drive circuit monitors the input voltage and current.

@Arthur,

The apparatus appears as though it's benefitting  from "Reverse Lenz Propulsion". Normally the increased light intensity would cause the rotor to experience deceleration rather then speed up. Secondly, the induced current in the closely adjacent bifilar secondary's  is inverted to AC from DC pulse in the primary. This causes gain measured in "Negative Micro-Henries" due to the zero impedance to change in current direction.

Consider this:

"In pulse transformers one of the windings of a bifilar coil is used as a means to dissipate the energy accumulated in the magnetic flux. Because the two coil windings are so closely spaced, they are penetrated by the same magnetic flux. One of the wires is usually grounded using a LED. So when the voltage on the other main wire is out, the magnetic flux generates current using the auxiliary (limiting) winding. The voltage on this winding is equal to the voltage drop on the diode (forward direction). Voltage of the same value appears on the main winding. Had the limiting winding not been used, the parasitic magnetic flux would have tried to induce the current in the main winding".
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on March 31, 2015, 03:04:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSz4Xz7pJwY


Arthur, i have no secrets for you, i am trying to help with diagrams and with videos, you can see how to make pancake coils part one, the way to wind the coils and easy way to make it in 08 minutes, i hope it serves for you...! you can make single pancake coils or bi-filar pancake coils, the shape and size you want, small coils or big coils.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: tinman on March 31, 2015, 03:56:16 PM
@Arthur,

 
Quote
The apparatus appears as though it's benefitting  from "Reverse Lenz Propulsion". Normally the increased light intensity would cause the rotor to experience deceleration rather then speed up.
And why do you think that?. If you knew what was happening,then you would understand as to why the rotor speeds up when a heavier load is placed on the coil/inductor. A heavier load means a greater current,which means a stronger magnetic field,which means a greater attraction or repulsionforce (depending on wether it's a repulsion or attraction motor setup)  on the rotor magnets.

Quote
Consider this:
"In pulse transformers one of the windings of a bifilar coil is used as a means to dissipate the energy accumulated in the magnetic flux. Because the two coil windings are so closely spaced, they are penetrated by the same magnetic flux. One of the wires is usually grounded using a LED. So when the voltage on the other main wire is out, the magnetic flux generates current using the auxiliary (limiting) winding. The voltage on this winding is equal to the voltage drop on the diode (forward direction). Voltage of the same value appears on the main winding. Had the limiting winding not been used, the parasitic magnetic flux would have tried to induce the current in the main winding".

Consider this-->current follows the path of least resistance.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: TinselKoala on March 31, 2015, 05:24:57 PM
@Milehigh,

The "Series Bifilar Coil" of Nicola Tesla is an AC coil. The coil has zero impedance to change in current direction. Running AC current through a "Single Wire" coil of equal Ohmic resistance will cause it to heat up while the "Bifilar" runs cool. Testing the two types of coils for comparison with a monopolar rotor or DC current will not produce any meaningful results.

That is not true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcFySCAxLzs
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on March 31, 2015, 06:49:22 PM
That is not true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcFySCAxLzs

@TinselKoala,

Up to your old tricks again, huh?

Your video compares the "Hairpin Bifilar" to the "Tesla Series Bifilar" coil. What I challenged you to do is to place a single wire pancake coil on a Gegene hot plate and record as small a rise in heat as JLN does with his TSBC. I offered to bet you any amount of money you couldn't accomplish this. This comparison has nothing what-so-ever to do with your "Hairpin" to "Tesla Bifilar" comparison video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqgO7AEZXzI

You know as well as I do that the Gegene would melt the single wire pancake coil rather then inductively couple and transfer the AC power like the "Tesla Bifilar Pancake" does.

You're just in that group of "Haywire Trouble-Makers"!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on March 31, 2015, 07:51:43 PM
And why do you think that?. If you knew what was happening,then you would understand as to why the rotor speeds up when a heavier load is placed on the coil/inductor. A heavier load means a greater current,which means a stronger magnetic field,which means a greater attraction or repulsionforce (depending on wether it's a repulsion or attraction motor setup)  on the rotor magnets.

Consider this-->current follows the path of least resistance.

@Tinman,

My guess is that the stronger magnetic field raises the ferrite core to the saturation point. This may in turn slow the electric current flow down in the coil windings and delay the pole shift causing reverse Lenz propulsion. This effect perhaps couples with and augments the effect you highlighted. Skycollection generates a huge amount of very bright light with merely two tiny AA batteries. I'm extremely impressed. I don't believe all that illumination comes from just the batteries alone.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Arthurs on March 31, 2015, 09:41:41 PM
@Tinman,

My guess is that the stronger magnetic field raises the ferrite core to the saturation point. This may in turn slow the electric current flow down in the coil windings and delay the pole shift causing reverse Lenz propulsion. This effect perhaps couples with and augments the effect you highlighted. Skycollection generates a huge amount of very bright light with merely two tiny AA batteries. I'm extremely impressed. I don't believe all that illumination comes just from the batteries alone.

Not underestimate the 'AA' batteries,
[DURACELL] of "AA" battery has a capacity of at least 1700mAh,
Two "AA" batteries can provide more power 3W.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on March 31, 2015, 09:56:45 PM
Not underestimate the 'AA' batteries,
[DURACELL] of "AA" battery has a capacity of at least 1700mAh,
Two "AA" batteries can provide more power 3W.

@Arthur,

Big deal. That might illuminate a porch light. Skycollection's generating enough brightness for an overhead chandelier.

By the way; You should take notice of Skycollection's S-S N-N magnet positioning in his latest video schematic. You failed to label your magnet polarities. I am assuming they're monopolar. I stressed the major importance of generating a pure AC sine wave, as Skycollection does, to maximize the full capabilities of the "AC Tesla Bifilar Pancake Coil".

This kind of signal is essential for the inductive coupling effect, along with the correct "Ensemble" described by Skycollection in his PDF.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MileHigh on April 01, 2015, 12:34:25 AM
I post this video and the circuit for my pancake coils and a pulse motor-generator with 2 AA batteries...!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do5xtmfMRxI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do5xtmfMRxI)

Jorge:

I looked at your clip.  I don't know why you would call it "Serious OU Potential Pulse Motor."

It's important to not lie to yourself when you make experiments.  This is a problem that you see everywhere on the forums.

Here is what is going on in your clip:

Input Power:

Two AA batteries.

Output Power:

Oscillator circuit (heat)
Three LED lights from coil pickup  (light + heat)
One LED light for back-EMF connection (light + heat)
Spinning rotor (heat)
Electrical losses in wires and coils (heat)

If you could make proper measurements then the input power would be exactly equal to the total output power.  That is the truth, and that is the reality.

There is no reason to make a false claim like "Serious OU Potential Pulse Motor."  There is no evidence for this.  You end up lying to yourself and your audience when you do that.

It's impossible to make measurements of the electrical power going into the LED lights because you would need an expensive digital storage oscilloscope to do that.

In the final analysis, the truth - la verdad - is an important thing that we all should not forget.  I am not trying to stop you from having fun with your experiments, just be truthful to yourself.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Pirate88179 on April 01, 2015, 03:32:22 AM
No disrespect intended but a good High Voltage JT circuit can make more light than that with a single "dead" AA battery.  Also, the HVJT is not OU.
I don't see the utility of this circuit at all.


Bill
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on April 01, 2015, 04:19:35 AM
No disrespect intended but a good High Voltage JT circuit can make more light than that with a single "dead" AA battery.  Also, the HVJT is not OU.
I don't see the utility of this circuit at all.


Bill

@Pirate88179,

There's more then light coming from the circuit. The powerful rotor torque has value too.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Pirate88179 on April 01, 2015, 04:26:14 AM
@Pirate88179,

There's more then light coming from the circuit. The powerful rotor torque has value too.

Ah, OK, I did not consider that...I thought it was just about making light.

Bill
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: hoptoad on April 01, 2015, 10:11:39 AM
@Milehigh,

The "Series Bifilar Coil" of Nicola Tesla is an AC coil. The coil has zero impedance to change in current direction.
snip....


Show me a coil arrangement, not hooked up in bucking or hairpin mode, with any core type, that has no inductive reactance (impedance) to a changing current direction (AC), and I'll buy one immediately for my pet Unicorn!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MileHigh on April 01, 2015, 04:05:11 PM
@Pirate88179,

There's more then light coming from the circuit. The powerful rotor torque has value too.

There is no torque to speak of.  The rotor is just being pushed along by the power being expended by the battery.  The only way any possible torque from the rotor can have value is if it is actually driving a load and doing work.  In the clip the rotor is unloaded and not doing any useful work.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MileHigh on April 01, 2015, 04:07:31 PM

Show me a coil arrangement, not hooked up in bucking or hairpin mode, with any core type, that has no inductive reactance (impedance) to a changing current direction (AC), and I'll buy one immediately for my pet Unicorn!

When a coil is being driven at it's self-resonant frequency, the AC impedance is zero.  However, the resistance of the wire is real and it is always there.  That resistance will always oppose the flow of current.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on April 01, 2015, 07:40:06 PM
Hi Skycollection


I follow your experiment replication, Using normal coil, and Unifilar pancake coil, Bifilar pancake coils, Were carried out comparing drivers to pick up and power
Concluded that:
Whether Unifilar pancake coils, Or Bifilar pancake coils, Their effects and normal coil identical, Without the slightest increase efficiency and improve.
Driving efficiency and normal coil performance is identical;
Lenz resistance and normal coil performance is identical;
Generation efficiency and normal coil performance are identical.


May have offended you, but you can also use the normal coil for comparison.

This result is erroneous!

TinselKoala clearly demonstrates that the "Tesla Pancake Coil" transmits power more efficiently than the "Unifilar Pancake Coil" in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvb39SwTXBE

Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on April 01, 2015, 08:41:58 PM
And the problem is that Arthur did not replicate correctly my pancake coils, i am agreed with you, i have many years studying the pancake coils and i prefere the pancake coil instead of conventional coil, with the pancake coil i can induce the voltage to the other pancake coils very easy (inductive coupling effect) the pancake coils enter in "self oscillation very easy, and the pancake coils have unknown effects and undiscovered effects...!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on April 01, 2015, 10:59:18 PM
Let's say for the sake of argument that the "Tesla Bifilar Pancake Coil" has the same power as the "Unifilar Pancake Coil". Two "Unifilar Pancake Coils" will still form a less efficient "Inductive Coupling" then two "Bifilar Pancake Coils". Where's the harm in using the "Bifilar Pancake Coil" if everything else is even except for the singular advantage under discussion?   
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: hoptoad on April 02, 2015, 05:29:43 AM
When a coil is being driven at it's self-resonant frequency, the AC impedance is zero.  However, the resistance of the wire is real and it is always there.  That resistance will always oppose the flow of current.

I agree, but I don't recall seeing 'self resonance' of the coil thrown in as part of Synchro's statement. My error perhaps, however...


At self resonance the SUM of AC reactance is Zero. That does not mean there is no inductive reactance in the coil. It means the capacitive and inductive reactance are equal and therefore sum to zero, leaving only the coil resistance as both the real and effective impedance.


Zero reactive impedance is not the same as Null or None.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on April 02, 2015, 05:59:09 AM
The unsolved question is whether or not the "Tesla Bifilar Pancake Coil" can supply a rotor pulse and transmit the same pulse simultaneously to an inductively coupled coil in close adjacency that dual purposes the power? The other question is; If doubling the power this way is possible, can we continue to multiply it with additional coils? Skycollection has at least demonstrated the appearance of this infinity reflection of power effect, without producing any real definitive test results.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: hoptoad on April 02, 2015, 06:17:22 AM
The unsolved question is whether or not the "Tesla Bifilar Pancake Coil" can supply a rotor pulse and transmit the same pulse simultaneously to an inductively coupled coil in close adjacency that dual purposes the power?

Good question, and one which is worth exploring experimentally. As I understand Tesla's description of his bi-filar pancake coil, the advantage came from its increased inter-winding capacitance, allowing it to store more energy between discharges in his tank experiments. At close parallel proximity, two Tesla Bifilar Pancake Coils may possibly exhibit a very much higher capacitive power coupling rather than a much higher inductive coupling compared to a mono filar pancake.

I don't know and am only speculating this may be the case.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on April 02, 2015, 07:11:21 AM
I have in process my new PANCAKE COIL (SINGLE WIRE) QUADRIFILAR PANCAKE COIL "INSIDE OF A PERMANENT MAGNET" in other worlds, inside of a permanent magnetic field. This pancake coil is experimental, i don´t know what happen in this pancake coils, and i don´t have plans, i don´t have special reasons to make this experimental coils, this is experimentation only, very soon i will post my first experiment.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on April 02, 2015, 07:13:46 AM
Two "Bifilar Pancake Coils" might transmit a pulse from one coil to the other at an efficiency close to 100 percent while the magnetic field propels a rotor. That would constitute an overunity effect. Sandwiching a "Bifilar Pancake Coil" primary with two receiver coils, one on each side, should either half or double the transmitted power. These are not really very difficult tests. 
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Arthurs on April 02, 2015, 10:40:03 PM

Today's test:
Traditional normal coil And pancake coils used to drive (motor) comparison test,Using exactly the same test platform,Pancake coil has been reworked in accordance with the method proposed Skycollection.


Traditional normal coil parameters and pancake coil exactly the same,All use AWG 20,Coil outer diameter 80mm,The inner diameter of 32mm,Traditional ordinary coil 480T.Each Unifilar pancake coil 30T,Bifilar pancake coil 15T,Use 16 pancake coils form a complete coil,Each 8 pancake coils as a group,2 groups form a complete coil,The total number of turns and the traditional normal wound coil unanimous.


Testing purposes:
Traditional normal coil and pancake coil in the same circumstances,Speed ​​and power consumption for driving (motor).


For safety considerations,Test voltage all use 4V,Since the voltage 4V speed has reached the 1000rpm or more.


Image data for the test.


"1/2 Unifilar pancake coil"Using a coil in which the one group,
"Full Unifilar pancake coil"Using a coil in which the two groups(Series).


In the process of testing,Constantly adjusting the rotor coil distance,Until maximum speed.


Test Results:
At present, yet not observed pancake coil has advantages.


Pancake coil generating tests conducted later.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on April 02, 2015, 10:55:13 PM
@Arthurs,

Two inductively coupled "Bifilar Pancake Coils", two capacitors, two diodes, a flop switch, a battery, a DMM and a magnet rotor are all it would take to determine conclusively if there is any genuine "Skycollection" overunity effect.

The first test would involve measuring the percentage of power transmitted between the two "Bifilar Pancake Coils" to the receiving capacitor from a solitary pulse through inductance alone, then comparing that to the percentage transmitted again with the magnet rotor in place.

I believe that gain is possible from feedback due to any magnet rotor motion. The magnet rotor needs a diametric or N-S polarity. This is a simple test with possible dramatic and far reaching consequences.

The diodes would have to be positioned to allow for only one way power transmission to the secondary capacitor alone. Any measurable gain to the receiving capacitor over the transmitted induction percentage from rotor motion would qualify as OU output.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on April 03, 2015, 01:21:32 AM
@Arthurs,

The other necessary comparison would involve the rotor torque imparted by the pulse through one "Bifilar Pancake Coil" matched against the inductively coupled pair with a secondary load. This way we can accurately gauge the overall efficiency. Your tests so far look very professional, but there's really nothing new presented by your results so far. I hope you don't resent my suggestions as too intrusive.   
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on April 03, 2015, 03:21:45 AM
New video by Skycollection.

"Powerful Pancake Coils":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0hG2V-FSP8

"THIS IS MY NEW PANCAKE COIL CONFIGURATION, I HAVE A QUADRIFILAR PANCAKE COIL INSIDE OF A PERMANENT MAGNETIC FIELD, THIS IS A POWERFUL COIL, THIS IS MY FIRST TEST"...!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Pirate88179 on April 03, 2015, 03:59:42 AM
That is a very nice build he has made there.  I have no idea how this will compare to a conventional coil but, his building skills are very good.

Bill
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on April 03, 2015, 04:03:42 AM
@Arthurs,

Take a look at the "Mouse Trap" flop switch at :25 in this coil gun capacitor discharge video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-n4sGu0kZc
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MileHigh on April 03, 2015, 04:50:03 AM
Jorge:

The real information is there, all that you have to do is be willing to learn.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbasees/hph.html

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbasees/electric/farlaw.html#c1

MileHigh
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: tinman on April 03, 2015, 03:09:23 PM
The best coil configuration is one that has 1/4 the resistance using the same amount of wire as you would with a normal coil,and is of a single wire wind-no litz or bifilar windings. It is also a coil where the current flows in both directions simultaneously.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on April 03, 2015, 05:50:22 PM
Thanks syncro, i think I have many enemies as zerofossilfuel, and other people that don´t like  my work, for me is only fun ..!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Arthurs on April 03, 2015, 06:47:38 PM

Get guidance skycollection again
My experiments did not reach skycollection effect,
AWG 20 wire because I use,
skycollection using AWG 23 wire,
I will re-use AWG 23 wire coil production.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on April 03, 2015, 07:37:45 PM
Yes is very important to use wire 23 or 21 gauge because all the measurments change and the results will not the same as mine, my last pancake coil with magnets inside, is a great pancake coil, is a great transformer and i hope Arthur replicate the same. I am using wire 23 gauge in my all pancake coils, and all with very good results.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on April 06, 2015, 06:31:59 AM
CONCLUSION: WITH A PANCAKE COIL IS POSSIBLE TO DELAY THE LENZ EFFECT, I PRESENT THIS EXPERIMENT AND IS MY NEW PANCAKE COIL WITH MICRO-MAGNETS INSIDE, THIS PANCAKE COIL IS A POWERFUL COIL....!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI95N4D372o





Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on April 06, 2015, 08:37:47 AM
CONCLUSION: WITH A PANCAKE COIL IS POSSIBLE TO DELAY THE LENZ EFFECT, I PRESENT THIS EXPERIMENT AND IS MY NEW PANCAKE COIL WITH MICRO-MAGNETS INSIDE, THIS PANCAKE COIL IS A POWERFUL COIL....!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI95N4D372o

@Skycollection,

I successfully looped a magnet core bifilar coil back to source and charged the run battery over five years ago. I bet yours would do at least as well. Nice work! 
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on April 07, 2015, 05:16:18 PM
This is a new experiment with the TESLA 2, QUADRIFILAR PANCAKE COIL, i have eliminated the bedini circuit and i am trying with the circuit JL94, the results change dramatically...!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NktNzbMkres (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NktNzbMkres)


Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on April 08, 2015, 01:25:26 AM
THE TRUTH NEVER LIES............!



DaKrampus (https://www.youtube.com/user/DaKrampus)[/b] [/color]Hace 2 horas (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NktNzbMkres&lc=z12vfzoier2kxx4qx04cizn4ur3gxnyyflw0k)[/color]

very impressive... BUT i think there is an error.. its not in and out "Voltage"  the meters are showing but its, i think, the in and out amperage... (if i know those meters). would be interesting to have the in and out voltage also..


Is the first commentary in my last video....!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NktNzbMkres





Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: DaKrampus on April 08, 2015, 05:42:00 AM
@Skycollection

Hi

and sorry if there was a misunderstanding!

Yes it was me commenting that video...
I was NOT saying that there was a LIE in what i was seeing..

I was referring to the text that was in the video

at 8 seconds (of the 51  seconds video)

it says : input voltage over the left meter and output voltage over the right meter.

left meter displays: 0.16 and the right meter displays: 0.15

which are 160 and 150 milliamps. You can also see on the meters that they are set to 10 amps.

so what i meant is: I wanted to draw your attention to the fact that there was probably a typo, a small mistake, in the video insert, it should say for example input power and output power or something similar over the meters instead of voltage.
Because it is definitely NOT 0.16 volts (as the meter is set to amps)

that is all!!! I did not mean to say that the video is not true!!!!

I also remarked that it would be interesting to have the voltage in and out, so that we could calculate the watts and compare input to output in watts.

I have been admiring your work and craftmanship a lot for a long time and would NEVER consider your work being a lie!!!!


I hope you understand what I meen, as english is not my mother tongue.

See you soon

Luc
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on April 11, 2015, 01:31:42 AM
Milehigh, you ask me if the pancake coil inside of a permanent magnetic field is good or bad, now i can answer you that is a "window" or is the way to eliminate in some porcentsage %, no matter how much, is important to delay the LENZ EFFECT, i have a video in wich i can accelerate the magnet rotor under load. I have in process a new pancake coil (bi-filar pancake coil) inside of a strong permanent magnetic field...!
very soon...! (not micro-magnets)...!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MileHigh on April 11, 2015, 11:15:42 PM
Jorge:

My suggestion to you is to make measurement comparisons "before vs. after" or "System A vs. System B"  when it is feasible.  For example, if you could find a small standard 1:1 isolation transformer and then compare that with your pancake coil transformer.  There is actually no such thing as the "delayed Lenz effect" and there was a big thread about it a few months ago.  The rotor speeds up because of increased power throughput.  Whenever you see a rotor speeding up, the fist thing you should try to do is measure the power before and after and compare.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on April 11, 2015, 11:23:07 PM
Jorge:

My suggestion to you is to make measurement comparisons "before vs. after" or "System A vs. System B"  when it is feasible.  For example, if you could find a small standard 1:1 isolation transformer and then compare that with your pancake coil transformer.  There is actually no such thing as the "delayed Lenz effect" and there was a big thread about it a few months ago.  The rotor speeds up because of increased power throughput.  Whenever you see a rotor speeding up, the fist thing you should try to do is measure the power before and after and compare.

MileHigh

@VileHigh,

Just what in the hell is "throughput"?
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MileHigh on April 12, 2015, 12:00:33 AM
There are 672 online dictionaries, look it up yourself.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on April 12, 2015, 12:14:33 AM
There are 672 online dictionaries, look it up yourself.

"Maximum throughput is essentially synonymous to digital bandwidth capacity".

Just more irrelevant bullshit as usual!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MileHigh on April 12, 2015, 12:43:36 AM
Don't start.  I don't believe for a second that you don't understand the concept of power throughput.

Take a look at your past behaviour.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on April 12, 2015, 12:50:33 AM
@MileHigh,

Thanks for reposting that. Come mierda!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MileHigh on April 12, 2015, 12:54:12 AM
@MileHigh,

Thanks for reposting that. Come mierda!

You are very welcome, I was pleased to post it.  Now let Jorge do his thing.

Eat it yourself.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on April 12, 2015, 07:13:40 AM
You are very welcome, I was pleased to post it.  Now let Jorge do his thing.

Eat it yourself.

@MileHigh,

Stop trying to confuse people with your pseudo intellectual palaver.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: joefree on April 21, 2015, 11:13:54 PM
hi every one
im trying to replicate this experiment
and sadly all videos disapeared from youtube
did someone download all them?
and if it so...can you upload them again or send them to me somehow
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on May 04, 2015, 04:32:20 AM
Yes, indeed it was a mistake to have erased my previous videos, i will try to keep them and this time I just want to say that my pancake coils now, they have practical applications, as you can see in this video ...!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjLNOF0EBK8
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on May 10, 2015, 01:17:57 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJofgResNcM
Ok, if you think this pancake coil is "nothing".......you will see that it is not a simple coil....! the process of this panake coil is complicated and i did it...!



Title: Fusion of the STARSHIP COIL & PANCAKE COIL
Post by: skycollection on June 03, 2015, 01:57:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo-tTrAHkXg
This is my new experience with starships coils and pancake coils, is a fusion of two coils inside of a "ferrite material"....!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on July 02, 2015, 10:54:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwZVLx1xfpM
This is a real experiment to get the goal....!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on July 02, 2015, 10:56:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_C6NTritdo
This is only the first experiment, i will make other systems and other experiments...!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Jimboot on July 03, 2015, 03:42:28 PM
That is beautiful work  Jorge as always. The meters show volts in and volts out? I'm sorry I don't speak Spanish but  what the actual efficiency like?



SPANISH[/size]



Es hermosa obra de Jorge como siempre. Los medidores muestran voltios en voltios y fuera? Lo siento, no hablo español pero ¿cuál es la eficacia real como?
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on July 03, 2015, 06:23:43 PM
Yes, i show two ammeters, left is watts in and right is watts out...! the efficience consist in that the rotor don´t have friction, lateral friction, (no bearings) the design consist in a good calibration of the rotor and the shaft, when the rotor [/size]rotates freely, the speed is extremely high...! I have a good torque and when i turn on the resistive load, don´t stop the rotor, only affect 20% aproximatelly of the LENZ LAW, the rotor continue with high speed, this design is my best work in years, just take me 2 days inplement the design, some time ago i did a test about the magnets (the two rings) and it was very easy for me to complete the project in short time. I hope other people can make a replication of this machinne, I'm not lying...!
thanks for watching.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Thaelin on July 05, 2015, 05:43:02 AM
Hi Skyc
   Wanted to ask this for a while but not sure if I should. But anyhow,
would you be willing to state an estimated force holding the mag bearings
in place?  Just makes me curious on how stable the shaft is to wobble. I
did a mag bearing some time ago and it broke apart under the stress but
when assembled, it was not possible to move the shaft at all except in a
circular motion. Too big too....

thay
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on July 05, 2015, 07:45:05 AM
Hi Thay, thanks for asking this.......i have a good and bad experiences in this matter, my first maglev was different, i used three magnets, one in the end of the shaft and two magnets down of the magnet,
is like the MENDOCINO SOLAR MOTOR, and this system is very dangerous for my project because i have no stability with high speed, the rotor it shoots out of control and hurting the people in front, i destroyed a PVC ROTOR some years ago, at 23,000 RPM, and i decided to leave the project to be dangerous...!
I never give up, and i decided the change the system by RINGS MAGNETS, the small ring (cylinder) fits into the bigger ring, and part of the shaft is inside of this ring in both sides, is impossible that the rotor
lose control out, the small cylinder repel and avoid that the shaft make contact with the ring, with this system i can turn the rotor at 40,000 RPM without risk of explosion, as you can see in my videos, i can drive the maglev motor at extremelly high speeds without risk or that the rotor go out of control.


I built the rotor with two neodymium magnets, NORTH-SOUTH, inside of a COPPER PIPE, I chose this metal because it is very safe, strong and almost impossible to break with the high speed that generates, IS VERY IMPORTANT TO PROTECT THE COPPER PIPE WITH PLASTIC RESIN INSIDE, in this way the magnets never move, i have experience at the moment with 35,000-39,000 RPM with this system, and never have a problem.


I decided to built the "MAGLEV WINDOW MOTOR" because i have double protection, the shaft and the rotor protect me in case brake some magnet, because i have a box with wire around of the rotor.
Other thing is important to build a "PERFECT ROTOR" you can see my videos, i HAVE A PERFECT ROTOR, this generates greater efficiency and better control engine rotation almost perfect, i have very good results with this sytem.
saludos...jorge

Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: joefree on July 21, 2015, 04:14:02 AM
hola Jorge
podrias enviarme el circuito que te comente
el quadrifilar pancake coil que entraba en resonancia
y encendia una buena cantidad de leds
con unas pequeñas baterias
y  tambien recuperabas la BEMF enciendo mas leds
.............o el que te haya funcionando mejor para poner en resonancia las pancakes
gracias y saludos
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: joefree on July 21, 2015, 04:18:27 AM
este o.....
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: joefree on July 21, 2015, 04:20:08 AM
o este...o el que mejor rendimiento de.
gracias
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on July 21, 2015, 01:45:24 PM
Este es el unico archivo que conservo del circuito, solo agrega interruptores donde juzgues necesario como "encendido" para el BEMF, o inclusive para un supercapacitor en la toma de corriente. El problema
no es el circuito, la construccion de la bobina PENTAFILAR (cinco bobinas pancake) solo una bobina pancake esta conectada al circuito, la demas bobinas son bobinas "pickups", esta bobina no es facil de construir, espero ver una replica tuya pronto.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: rgiles18 on July 21, 2015, 10:01:40 PM
Skycollection,

I'm not schooled in electrical engineering like you and I'm fascinated by your experiment. I would like to replicate it but I'm having trouble reading the schematics. Can you please give me a detailed parts list so one day I can follow along.

Roy,
A mad scientist wantabe.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on July 22, 2015, 04:29:11 AM
TO JOEFREE: Hola, te estoy enviando este video en el cual puedes ver que si es posible cambiar la eficiencia de un motor sustituyendo los baleros por una suspension magnetica...!
Espero te sirva esta experiencia.
saludos
jorge


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4s1gluRH7W4
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: joefree on July 22, 2015, 10:10:20 PM
gracias jorge
gran trabajo como siempre
maestro artesano!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on July 24, 2015, 04:16:35 PM
@Jorge,

Do you have parts numbers or other descriptions for the "Magnet Rings" you use for bearings?
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on July 24, 2015, 07:57:50 PM
SYNCHRO1:


1.- http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=RX088
You can find the small ring in KJ magnetics
2.- The big ring i find in my city (guadalajara, mexico) and the dimentions are 5 cms x 1 cms wide, i don´t know exactly in inches, KJ MAGNETICS don´t have this ring, but you can use a similar
in other company, the secreat is that you can calibrate the shaft that only one side make contact with the steel plate, and the other side with a distance of 0.05 milimiters......!!!!!
good lark....! JORGE.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on July 25, 2015, 12:13:42 AM
THE WINDOW MOTOR INVERSE....   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtp1zUk15Ws


With this engine you can make a lot of experiments....!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: joefree on September 29, 2015, 01:27:36 PM
 Hola Jorge ,tengo algunas preguntas que me podrian ayudar a replicar tu invento...que grosor de hilo usas?es de gran relevancia que sea ese ?cual es el numero exacto de vueltas en cada bobina?es relevante?todos las bobinas que usas en este experimento son monofilares?has usado bifilares?si es asi en que posicion cantidad y tipo de conexion?....y por ultimo donde compras los capacitadores?

un esquema de montaje completa me ayudaria mucho a darle vida a tu trabajo a este lado del atlantico
ya he visto el que enviaste a arthurs...podrias postear uno mas completo
ya hemos recibido el enrollador cortado por laser....eso ayudara a que el proceso de fabricacion

 Gracias a tu gran trabajo  un saludo desde España
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on September 29, 2015, 03:24:40 PM
Solo dame unos dias mas, voy a postear un nuevo video-informacion del proceso, muy pronto...!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MagnaProp on September 30, 2015, 12:30:32 AM
Just found and went through this entire thread. Very interesting work! You are killing me with the dead video links though :'(
I don't speak spanish so not a complete lose I suppose. Nice to see a link that works. Keep up the good work!!!  :)
THE WINDOW MOTOR INVERSE....
Excellent! Is the outside magnet the same polarity as the inside magnet?
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MagnaProp on September 30, 2015, 12:35:27 AM
I am also interested in your pancake coils and how you delay lenz in them. You mentioned putting permanent magnets in them or around them to delay lenz?

You have a picture of how this is done? Thanks in advance for any help.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on September 30, 2015, 12:56:39 AM
In you maglev motor, is the outer magnet the same polarity as the inside magnet?

I am also interested in your pancake coils and how you delay lenz in them. You mentioned putting permanent magnets in them or around them to delay lenz?

@MagnaProp,

The inside magnet is polarized axially. I thought they were radial opposed. The outer ring must be axially polarized as well and the levitation effect a "Mendicino" levitator variety. He speaks about the axle touching on one end!

All the magnets in the "Mendicino Levitator" are axially polarized.

Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MagnaProp on September 30, 2015, 01:11:57 AM
@ synchro1

Thank you. Sounds good.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on September 30, 2015, 03:11:06 AM
MagnaProp......about the pancake coil and delay the lenz effect, i have some videos about this effect, with the pancake coils is possible to delay the LENZ LOW in some important porcentage, in some days i will post a new video-information about winding and the configuration of my pancake coils...!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MagnaProp on September 30, 2015, 08:40:34 AM
MagnaProp......about the pancake coil and delay the lenz effect, i have some videos about this effect, with the pancake coils is possible to delay the LENZ LOW in some important porcentage, in some days i will post a new video-information about winding and the configuration of my pancake coils...!
Sounds good skycollection. Thanks for doing that. :)
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: joefree on September 30, 2015, 12:27:20 PM
gracias Jorge! ;)
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on September 30, 2015, 06:39:58 PM
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Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on October 02, 2015, 04:02:03 AM
In the second part of the process of the pancake coil, you will know how is "the configuration" quadrifilar, trifilar, bifilar, septefilar, etc., my process is the concept of a new posibility to delay the LENZ EFFECT, i said many times that "IT IS POSSIBLE TO DELAY THE LENZ EFFECT WITH PANCAKE COILS"...!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1J05KOtVgg
You can see this video with new configurations of pancake coils, in the future we will make thin pancake coils, powerful coils...!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MagnaProp on October 02, 2015, 07:20:24 AM
I like the idea of printed pancake coils. Printed graphene pancake coil some day perhaps?  Hmmmm 8)
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on October 04, 2015, 04:57:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O-_4C2wldY


With this process i will show you how is the configuration of my pancake coils...!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on October 04, 2015, 05:48:16 AM
THIS IS THE OTHER PART OF THE PROCESS...!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUGQ4dpHBHE
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: joefree on October 04, 2015, 08:32:00 PM
hola jorge
gracias por tus nuevos videos
se ve claro como crear una de tus bobinas
solo me queda saber que tipo de capacitadores usas exactamente...voltage y faradios
y donde comprarlos?
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on October 04, 2015, 10:45:55 PM
With this four series of videos tutorial i finish my project "pancake multifilar coils" i hope it help for someone...!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1t263ukKyc


saludos desde mexico
jorge rebolledo
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: joefree on October 05, 2015, 12:19:37 PM
Como siempre excelente trabajo jorge, solo me queda localizar el par de supercapacitadores, quizas por el pais en el que vivo o quizas porque no son muy comunes solo los encuentro al por mayor y en paquetes de 100 unidades, con lo que se me hace muy dificil hacerme con ellos, de camino aprovecho para el resto de lectores del foro si alguno tb estais interesados en estos supercapacitadores poneos en contacto conmigo para entre todos hacer un pedido. Estaria muy agradecido si alguno sabeis donde conseguir dichos componentes me facilitaseis o el donde comprarlo o si habeis tenido que comprar un pquete y os sobra un par de ellos dadme un precio.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on October 05, 2015, 03:37:19 PM
La marca de los supercapacitores es NESSCAP y la especificacion es 2.7V-25F estos capacitores me fueron enviados de Estados Unidos por una persona amable, yo los he encontrado en EBAY con diferentes precios y especificaciones, a mi me pasa lo mismo, el flete es demasiado caro, mas de lo que vale el producto. pero esto es asi, no hay de otra, o los compras o nunca vas a saber lo que puedes hacer con varios experimentos que puedes hacer, en mi video tengo 3 bulbos de leds que duran encendidos en "self oscillation" por mas de 4 minutos con los supercapacitores, asi no gastas tanto las baterias, el supercapacitor se carga muy rapido. Saludos Jorge.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MagnaProp on October 05, 2015, 10:54:09 PM
With this four series of videos tutorial i finish my project "pancake multifilar coils" i hope it help for someone...!
...
Excelente! Thanks for doing the videos.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on October 06, 2015, 01:26:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFbv-_wd2Pw


With this video i can show you one of the hundreds experiments you can do with pancake coils ...!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on October 07, 2015, 07:08:50 PM
@Jorge,

Something for your consideration:

The "Tesla Bifilar Coil" was first patented as an A.C. electromagnet by Nicola Tesla. Below is a picture of an A.C. Reed Switch:

An "Iron Rotor" would be attracted to an energized A.C. Bifilar Electromagnet Coil. The A.C. Reed Switch could run in series with A.C. wall current. A tiny trigger magnet would  need to be positioned on the iron rotor to close the Reed Switch. A.C. current would make a magnet rotor oscillate, but Ferrite would be attracted equally to both alternating poles. A very efficient "Attraction Motor" should result from your super powerful pulsed A.C. "Multifilar Pancake Coils"!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on October 07, 2015, 08:41:52 PM
Ferrite rotor permeability is a critical factor; The lower the magnetic remnance, the higher the R.P.M.. Saturation control is related to speed and power. Higher perm ferrite rotor plugs can deliver higher speed along with increased torque without ever slowing down.   

An A.C. bulb would be needed to harvest the BEMF.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on October 08, 2015, 05:52:33 AM
As you know i don´t speak english well, i am learning, and i hope you have some time to make a "drawing" of your idea about the REED SWICHT, i would like to make more experiments, i understand with drawings, and i would like you can make the example and the components, i will make the experiment....! thanks for your time...!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on October 08, 2015, 06:58:12 AM
As you know i don´t speak english well, i am learning, and i hope you have some time to make a "drawing" of your idea about the REED SWICHT, i would like to make more experiments, i understand with drawings, and i would like you can make the example and the components, i will make the experiment....! thanks for your time...!

@Jorge,

Los 120 voltios A.C. corriente pasa directamente por el A.C. "Reed switch" conectado entre lo uno y lo otro alambres de la bobina y la toma de corriente eléctrica. No es importante cual lado de la bobina usted elege. Es muy sencillo! Hay nada mas. Lo siento, no puedo a dibujar ahora. Yo intentare mana~na.   
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on October 08, 2015, 05:53:45 PM
@Jorge,

This is an A.C. electromagnet attraction motor with an iron ferrite rotor. When the passing trigger magnet positioned on the rotor closes the "Reed Switch", the A.C. wall current creates a strong oscillating magnetic field in the multifilar coils that attracts the iron ferrite rotor equally with both polarities. These bifilar coils heat up less from A.C. current then the single wrap type! This is the most outstanding singular advantage of the Tesla series connected bifilar coil:

This coil design of Jorge's is very close to the giant A.C. scrap yard magnet Westinghouse manufactured and sold after acquiring the bifilar pancake patent which helped make Tesla rich. This is over a century old antique! This is the first motor of it's kind that I've ever seen based on the coil's original pourpose as a "Coil For Electro Magnets" as stated at the top of Tesla's patent below:
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on October 08, 2015, 07:24:26 PM
Do you think that your idea it works ...? do you think that the current of the first coil "induces" the current  coil to another coil...? ok, the only way to know is with an experiment, let me try and i will anwser you soon...!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on October 09, 2015, 03:23:23 AM
Synchro1 Sorry my friend, your experiment it doesn´t work, there is not induction of current one coil to the other coil, is for the kind of current....! my pancake coil works ONLY with AC CURRENT...!
Saludos jorge


Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on October 09, 2015, 04:33:10 AM
Synchro1 Sorry my friend, your experiment it doesn´t work, there is not induction of current one coil to the other coil, is for the kind of current....! my pancake coil works ONLY with AC CURRENT...!
Saludos jorge

@Jorge,

You need to spin your orbital magnet over the coil as a synchronous A.C. motor to get the coupling effect like you do the with the pulsed D.C., or break the circuit with the Reed switch. Either way the frequency should be the same at 36k hertz. Just running current through the coils won't produce a coupling effect alone!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on October 09, 2015, 01:27:57 PM
@Jorge,

Thanks for trying. I realized the bifilar pancakes would need to be wired in parallel to act as an A.C. Electro Magnet.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on October 10, 2015, 02:53:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STOIulHE8DI
With this video i can show you some of the effects that you can get with the multifilar pancake coil...!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on October 21, 2015, 05:37:56 AM
THREE PHASE INDUCTION MOTOR-GENERATOR this is my first test run...!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBYK-DZORVM
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MagnaProp on October 21, 2015, 08:41:03 PM
Looks good!
How efficient is it? Can it power my spaceship?
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on October 21, 2015, 10:11:57 PM
Ok my friend, this is not a solar panel or a bedini charger, or a new discovery, this is a new motor with  pancake coils....! the primary group of pancke coils "induces" a voltage to the second panckae coils groups and this produce more output power, and the magnets produces a new voltage out also...! two voltage out, i am not an expert engeneer, i never studied electronics, i am an experimenter man....!
saludos from mexico... jorge
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MagnaProp on October 21, 2015, 11:59:39 PM
Sounds good. It looks like a new idea to me. Haven't seen it done with pancake coils like this. No disrespect intended as I am new to electronics. I just naturally assume we are all working on our own spaceships. I find it interesting how Tesla and Daniel Mc Farland Cook worked on flying contraptions towards the end of their lives. My flying contraptions are still restricted to our atmosphere at the moment.

Thanks for putting the subtitles in the video as well.

 
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on October 22, 2015, 12:39:49 AM
Yes souds good, subtitles is good for you also....!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MagnaProp on October 23, 2015, 09:38:37 PM
If you put the pancake coil on a table, does the side facing the table have one pole and side not facing the table has the other pole? So the side facing the table may be S and the other is N?

You've shown a spinning magnetic field perhaps, so is there an S and N pole on each side of the coil?
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on October 29, 2015, 10:32:50 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61T83J7NXYc
In this experiment i show you greats applications of the bi-filar pancake coil....!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on November 11, 2015, 03:24:50 AM
This is my septefilar pancake coil, by inductance i can light five bulb of leds...!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdBNGpa_9Gc
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MagnaProp on November 11, 2015, 04:43:52 AM
Excelente!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on November 11, 2015, 05:34:09 AM
@Skycollection,

¿Cuál sería el tiempo de ejecución hacia abajo si retiró cuatro de las cinco bombillas?

English:

What would the run down time be if you removed four of the five bulbs?

Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on November 11, 2015, 01:06:46 PM
I did the experiment with the bifilar pancake coil and takes the same time in discharge the supercaps, about 8 or 9 minutes..! the difference is the output voltage, i can see the the bulb of leds bright is complete...! in the septefilar pancake coil the voltage is divided in five parts...!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on November 11, 2015, 01:38:44 PM
@Jorge,

           Very very interesting! Thank you so much. We're going to have a lot of fun digesting and discussing that result. That works just the opposite from a string of 120 volt LED bulbs in series where the voltage remains constant and the amperage drops in proportion to the number of bulbs.

            We know now that the output is not asymmetrical and doesn't violate the second law of thermodynamics. Theoretically, the luminosity of the one bulb equals the luminosity of the combined five!

                                                                          "Grounded"!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on November 11, 2015, 02:33:00 PM
What's unique about Skycollection's oscillator induction alternator is that we can increase voltage but not amperage, as Gerard Morin points out. This imparts a singular advantage to Skycollection's system! This proves that Jorge's invention is a legitimate energy amplifier and may indeed lead to a self sustaining photon reactor!

A bedini SSG would speed the neo sphere up a thousand times to 50K along with the voltage. We could string LED's to the Moon with the same amperage consumption! The system's dividing the voltage and sharing the amperage. This system will definitely self loop with the LED's inside photovoltaic recovery box's; Still not violating any laws. A high voltage generator more then just a transformer, coupled with a transformer. The load functions as the "Step down" portion! The losses normally associated with step down are directly transformed into power; Once again, "Lenz's Law" evaded a second time and Overunity in sight! We just need to tailor the load or number of coil lights in advance to the voltage we generate to avoid burning the bulbs out. Time to pop the corks! Quantum leap override! Jorge cheats "Lenz's Law" twice; Once in the pickup stage and again in the high voltage step down!                                                                   

                                                                       "All Aboard"!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on November 11, 2015, 08:56:13 PM
A self running photon reactor but the inventor has said the amps drop as more bulbs are added ? Voltage and high frequency would light the bulbs but its not a generator in the normal term of the word it becomes an oscillator for electrons thats stimulating  photon emission .  The sustain in terms of a constant at 0. will require energy ! From 8 mints to 8 years is a very big leap with out energy haha it would be best to negatively charge the coils prior to switching the device on and use a geometric harmonic formula for the construct of the coils ! Than is a free energy generator and can power a house.... Its all been done !!! many times !!! What I like about it is its small light weight cheep simple clean safe ! What I don't like about it is that it needs that extra bit of quantum alinement and that now puts it into a vulnerable position over its development and its intellectual property ect ... !

I have a free energy 12kwh system but its a bit heavy but cheap and safe ! I don't use coils or sparks and static or high frequency !

If we can do a deal than you get the negative coils electron propagator and a chance to protect the IP ! Don't leave this at LED lights you have to go all the way to zero point mass energy production on the scale up of the designe ....

@Atommix93rdAtom1,

What I understood "Skycollection" to say is that the run down time on the one bulb is the same as the five bulbs, and that the five bulbs divide the voltage. The same run time indicates the amperage is the same. Let's say he measures 100 volts to the one bulb, he's going to measure 20 volts on each of the five bulbs, but the amperage has to be same if the capacitors are equally charged and the run times are equal. One amp to the 100 volts bulb equals 100 watts: One amp to the five bulbs at 20 volts is also 100 watts.

Where did you see "Skycollection" say that the amperage drops? ha,ha. If you can't cite a source then just go away, you sound like a crank!










Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on November 11, 2015, 10:41:18 PM
The only crank is in your negative head ! I was responding to what you said ! Its your daft claim that mentioned a line of
lED s to the moon you dumb daft twat .... Insults ???? Thats a empty brain full of crap son !!!

Now go light your bulbs all the way to the moon with no drop in amps  ! And learn to read your own words !

But the envy in you will now eat what is left of your brain and that wont take to long ....... hahaha idiot !

@Atommix93rdAtom1,

You dumb daft twat. Thats a empty brain full of crap son. Eat what is left of your brain. hahaha idiot !

That's some pretty good English! We know about "Black Ops disinformation Shills" on this Forum Pal!

Here's a quote from you; You lying sack of shit:

"The inventor has said the amps drop as more bulbs are added".

Then you turn around and say:

 "I was responding to what you said".
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on November 11, 2015, 11:51:59 PM
No you said that !!!

Any way read the message I sent you !!! if you can !!! black opps ???? wtf ???? this is not 1956 I don't do politics But I do build space craft ....... what do you build ? the book of insults hahahahh now take up the challenge I sent you and shut up and get on with it ......... don't hide away from what you fear ! you don't know what a negative charge coil is do you !

But you do know about crop circles and lsd hahahahahhaha don't worry son I am here now !!! And that means I cook the dinner in a soup of magical logic !!! And your head will be required as a cup washed out and made ready for the soup to be pored into .... Don't worry it wont hurt much but if your lucky it might re grow the last brain cell that you got left ........ Now take up the challenge son ..........

Fuck you!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on November 12, 2015, 12:24:27 AM
GROW UP SON THAN TURN INTO A FLOWER ! FLOWER POWER IS THE ONLY POWER YOU WILL EVER MAKE !!!

@Atommix93rdAtom1,

Get off this thread! I started this thread. You've been off topic the entire time trying to sell some kind of "Bogus Crap". Start your own thread.

                                                 Stop misrepresenting the inventor's test results!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on November 12, 2015, 02:51:58 AM
With this experiment i will show you that is not a "trick" is just inductance, is "the inductive coupling effect"....!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3NioI-m5EM
saludos from mexico
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on November 12, 2015, 11:37:58 AM
With this experiment i will show you that is not a "trick" is just inductance, is "the inductive coupling effect"....!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3NioI-m5EM
saludos from mexico

Skycollection tested the inductance oscillator with one, then five bulbs and timed the capacitor discharge. The voltage divided between the five bulbs, but the amperage remained unchanged. This implies that the number of possible inductance coil bulbs should be directly proportional to the voltage, and that the amperage would remain constant regardless. A very efficient way to magnify power!

This is an overunity power plant!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on November 12, 2015, 12:51:37 PM
This is a 5 volt D.C. to 12 volt D.C. voltage doubler circuit:

The inclusion of this kind of simple circuit would allow Skycollection to increase the number of coil bulbs to twenty with equal luminosity!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on November 12, 2015, 09:04:03 PM
China burns too much coal. The particulate matter over the Pacific Ocean has caused a severe drought in the State of California. It would help everyone if China mass produced a free energy generator. 
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on November 12, 2015, 09:26:11 PM
There are lots of ways for Skycollection to handle the voltage doubling from his D.C. Power Source to illuminate additional bulbs with equal intensity. The circuit below boosts five D.C. volts to twelve D.C. volts; Skycollection would need to connect four "AA" batteries in series to reach the five volt minimum, or 3 or 4 10F 2.5v caps!

Here's the specs on his 2N2222 transistor:

Type Designator: 2N2222
Material of transistor: Si
Polarity: NPN
Maximum collector power dissipation (Pc), W: 0.5
Maximum collector-base voltage |Ucb|, V: 60
Maximum collector-emitter voltage |Uce|, V: 30
Maximum emitter-base voltage |Ueb|, V: 5
Maximum collector current |Ic max|, A: 0.8
Maksimalna temperatura (Tj), °C: 175
Transition frequency (ft), MHz: 250
Collector capacitance (Cc), pF: 8
Forward current transfer ratio (hFE), min: 100
 
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on November 12, 2015, 10:09:42 PM
A preliminary test could be easily performed with a twelve volt battery. Skycollection should be able to light twenty "Pancake Coil LED'S" just as brightly as his videos', off his 12 volt lead acid battery; I believe his 2N2222 NPN and 2N3906 PNP amplifying transistors can definitely handle the higher voltage.

The kind of D.C. to D.C. voltage doubler circuit schematic I uploaded above can handle wider ranges more efficiently either from "Super Capacitors" or batteries without getting clumsy.   

                                                                "The Ventifilar"?
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on November 12, 2015, 11:03:19 PM
Skycollection would need at least 3 or 4 of these 10F 2.5 volt Super Capacitors in series to safely operate at 5 volts:
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: seychelles on November 13, 2015, 12:38:00 AM
TO MAKE THIS A SELF RUNNER IS TO GET RID OF THREE OF THESE LIGHTS AND
COUPLE THEIR RECTIFIED OUTPUT TO CHARGE THE SUPER CAP.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: seychelles on November 13, 2015, 12:42:35 AM
BY THE JORGE YOU ARE THE BEST AND I KNOW WITHOUT A DOUBT THAT YOU
WILL FINALLY INVENT YOUR FREE ENERGY MACHINE. KEEP UP YOUR GREAT WORK
AND THANK YOU FOR SHARING. GOD BLESS. 
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on November 13, 2015, 01:21:42 AM
I would like to send the septefilar pancake coil to a good laboratory, i think is not complete the analisys, i have no technological instruments at home, i never said that is a selfrunner generator or a overunity generator, i need the test of the best lab, and second that everybody make it at home, i will post the way to construct step by step the septefilar pancake coil, or the "pentafilar pancake coil" or the quadrifilar pancake coil dpending you need...!
I would like to send the pancake coil for example to JL NAUDIN LABS, or other lab that want to test my invent...!
saludos
jorge rebolledo
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on November 13, 2015, 01:24:25 AM
TO MAKE THIS A SELF RUNNER IS TO GET RID OF THREE OF THESE LIGHTS AND
COUPLE THEIR RECTIFIED OUTPUT TO CHARGE THE SUPER CAP.

@Seychelles,

Mexico earns a lot of money exporting oil, perhaps that explains why Jorge's not in the fast lane with the loop. Why don't you build one and try it?

Four 2.5v caps in series for 5 volts would power 10 coil bulbs. The "Decifilar"! Five coils, stepped down and rectified in series with a small 100 Ohm potentiometer to cut back any overload would certainly be enough to self sustain the circuit!

Jorge's an "Edison of Menlo Park".
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: seychelles on November 13, 2015, 02:17:34 AM
i would love to try this circuit but i do not have the layout of it
and the special coil.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on November 13, 2015, 03:30:56 AM
i would love to try this circuit but i do not have the layout of it
and the special coil.

@seychelles,

Start here with this video for the circuit. The circuit connects to only one of the coils. The remainder (inductance pickups) are insulated: "THE BIFILAR PANCAKE COIL CONSIST IN 12 PANCAKE COILS CONNECTED IN SERIES"...!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qjMRuOSXBo

This one: Part one, two and three details the construction of the special coil:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvc-axQTaHM
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: seychelles on November 13, 2015, 03:49:58 AM
thanks synchro 1..
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on November 13, 2015, 05:12:48 AM
@Skycollection,

Dear Jorge,

I emailed JLN a copy of your request comment and the Hyper-Link to your latest "Not a Trick" video. We've corresponded in the past. I'll get back with any response. Good luck!

Synchro1
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on November 13, 2015, 05:47:37 AM
I apreciate very much your help and i am going to continue with experimentation, i want to show you my new circuit, i hope it serves for you...!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6wKGHwv6cg

Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on November 13, 2015, 04:40:19 PM
I apreciate very much your help and i am going to continue with experimentation, i want to show you my new circuit, i hope it serves for you...!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6wKGHwv6cg

@Skycollection,

Jorge,

I tried twice and both times was rejected. JLN's old email address is no longer active. How about M.I.T. in Boston?

Sorry, we were unable to deliver your message to the following address.
<JNaudin509@aol.com>:
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on November 13, 2015, 04:56:20 PM
How about M.I.T. in Boston?
Yes, no problem, if you have good relationship will serve to all...! It is a concern to know what happens inside the coil, in my new circuit i noticed that the output voltage is different, i am not using the multimeter, It is the perception of the intensity of light, it is lower than in previous circuit. Is curious how the supercaps discharge it´s energy very slowly, i think that something is happening inside of the coil, and i would like to know how the electrons move around the other coils. I hope the Lab accept to test the super pancake coil...! Saludos from Mexico....Jorge Rebolledo
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on November 13, 2015, 05:55:50 PM
Its harmonics !!! NOTHING TO DO WIT THE ELECTRONS !!! You wont get anywhere with M I T .... All free energy tech is completely under supervision by the US government including all educational dpts ect ect Its got a very long history of suppression even to the point of people being murdered ! And you want to go to M I T ?????

YOU NEED TO LEARN WHAT THE HARMONICS ARE !!! Harmonics are always at 180 degrees and your coil arrangement is 180 degrees ! circuits ? wont do anything voltage multiplies need a base formula of volts over the number of peaks in the waves ! Does it last a long time with super caps ? yes ! Why ? Its dues to the vacuum pressure of the cap and the number of free electrons in the coil . Can it be built so never to drop a charge from the caps ? yes but it will require a little input from negative electrons in the ambient.

Is it a new invention ? no ! Why ? because tesla invented it ! You need to go for the loop and M I T will not help you ... Just start marketing what you have now on ebay there ok and will not stop you ! You need investment but investors wont come in unless you have a patent but you just need to stark marketing now ! Its a self educational technology type of kit it will teach people the fundamental basics of free energy but you need to know your harmonics ...

You can run around in circles for years looking for help but at the end of the day its all down to you ! GET IT ON THE MARKET ASAP ! OR SOMEONE ELSE WILL .

You do it!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on November 13, 2015, 06:33:36 PM
We offered the inventor an invitation for an evaluation and help ect its up to him ! If we do it we up grade it and finish it but that is disrespectful to the inventor and he needs the money to build he's lab and run the product as a business that turns over a profit ! I am willing to do a deal but I fill he needs also a team that will stay with the technology all the way ! You seem to be an energy that can keep things on track so work out a way that is good for all of you ! But at the end of the day someone or a robot has to make the technology !  Its always best to start slow reinvest and speed up production and remember china and indie will soon follow with a cheaper one ! So you need to hide something in the technology that they can not copy !

You don't need coils anymore for this technology just a special harmonic formula that we have that no one will ever be able to copy ! So I suggest a development deal for all that are interested .. But we do real solid contracts and stick to the rules of law common-sense honesty and offer a logical and safe path to market !

We are a community not a company !

Get a life! You're violating the spirit of this forum. Take your business to a different venue!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on November 13, 2015, 07:24:50 PM
Ok son !!! your upsetting me now boy ! When are you going to become a man ? THIS FORUM IS HERE FOR THE FREEDOM OF THE MIND ! You are a stagnant equation of any kind of development that only offers a non development equation ... The world needs the right kind of development and to that there is only one way forward . You can now publicly hang your self and take that evil spirit that is controlling you to hell !

I now offer a mass production of the finished technology in the poorest part of the planet ! Lets see how you disempower this opportunity because right now son all that you believe in is worthless pointless a total nothing ! People like you either eat themselves alive with envy or end up as a demonic eternity  that crawls on the floor like a rat.... The sickening words that you have provided me are a conformation that you are the enemy of the human race !

If you want a better world than make it happen asap ! And that starts with love self respect co operation development honesty and if your a man than the art of a gentleman needs to be firmly rooted into your personality ..... Lets see you now take the food from the starving and burn the trees of the fruits of life ! What is provided to you by the divine creator is for the sharing of all people and nations. Now son et off my planet asap please ! OR CHANGE NOW !

TO THE INVENTER are you going to just do nothing and let the wrong energies of negative minds rule your perception of reality ? You have a chance to empower your self and many who can not but are dying for the need of a chance to survive !


lol xxx



 


 

If you don't cut this shit out I'm going to complain to the administrator!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on November 13, 2015, 07:32:22 PM
@Skycollection,

Jorge,

I sent an email request to the M.I.T. department of physics with a copy of your comment and a hyper-link to your "No Trick" video. I'll get back with any response.

Synchro1
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on November 13, 2015, 08:21:34 PM
THATS WHAT I WANT YOU TO DO ! Let the admin consider your words against mine ! The inventor came here looking for help and offered up all he's findings and that is what you should ! I to have given all that I have found and just because I offer a path forward that is in  fact a logical step in the right direction one should just except it as an option to consider. You have a lot to learn son but as I have said to you before I never hold a grudge and my doors never shut no matter how mad you get. Now I want to see your talent grow but drop that dark energy now or it will be the only thing that grows in you . I am a master of the quantum the electron the atom and long in my years and have grown my truth in the wisdom of the seeds of creation. You can not grow a seed without water so add a drop of it and stop shooting your self in the foot try the head ahahhahahah lol x   

You're just bullshit!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on November 13, 2015, 09:57:08 PM
Your head is but 2 words bull shit ...... Now eat your words !

You da "Bullshit"!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on November 13, 2015, 10:29:10 PM
Hey Pops, what say you eat it!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on November 15, 2015, 04:03:53 PM
Skycollection's maximum power "Pharos" at 12 volts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nszbx0P93z4

Skycollection has upgraded his oscillator circuit to the PNP MJL21193 and the NPN MJL21194. Both 16 Amp, 250 Volt, 200 Watt complimentary silicon power transistors.

Jorge's generating "Blindingly Brilliant" illumination off his six supercaps in series!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on November 15, 2015, 05:53:18 PM
My tests on LED bulbs in series have proven conclusively that additional bulbs generate more "Lumens" per Joule. The individual luminosity of the separate bulbs will diminish, but the overall luminosity of the combined bulbs will increase for the same input.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on November 15, 2015, 06:31:58 PM
Frequency is a power factor in the lighting of LED's; Also, two LED's in series at half brightness consumes an asymmetrically less amount of power for the combined lumens, not a directly proportional one to a single LED of equal intensity!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on November 15, 2015, 08:10:48 PM
                                                                     



                                                                        Start your own thread.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on November 15, 2015, 08:48:20 PM
You are never going to beat the freedom of life ! Your head is so full of crap you need professional help ! Exspect what you say here others have the right to also say what they think ..... My advice is to stick one of them bulbs in your head try the hole that your brains are falling out off hahahahahahahahahhahahah .........

Now son keep going remember your the admixture I am the bonding agent exspect a hot reaction ! Your best bet is to learn and stop pretending ! Now go and set up your own OU site one that you are the only one in there hahahah

If you speak crap I will tel you so if you speak logic I will confirm it !!!! Now what other load of nonsense are you going to come up with next ???? Try some physics and maybe some quantum mechanics ! hahahahhahahah lolxx

Why don't you learn to speak English you fucking Moron! Moron definition, Informal. "A person who is notably stupid or lacking in good judgment": hahahahhahahah! hahahahahahahahahhahahah .........
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: synchro1 on November 15, 2015, 09:34:56 PM
Thats better an attempt to sound intelligent hahaha but The density problem of the cellular tissue in your head is so think its going to need a lot of volts !!! Now puke up some more of that hate it will do you good to release it from the dead cells you been eating ... Are you on LSD again ? You did say you like drugs are you still dealing them to kids ?
When was the last time you did a full days work ? Tidy up your mind son calm your energy drink water and start again ! lol xxxxxx

Asshole.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on November 24, 2015, 05:44:04 AM

INDUCTIVECOUPLING POWER TRANSFER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OU07cRKzdo
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Magluvin on November 26, 2015, 01:02:30 AM
If the spiral coils couple as well as you say, then one could replace brushes of a motor with these coils where one coil is spinning on the axle with the armature and the input coil stationary on the axis of the armature. Now you can provide input to the moving armature without physical contact.

Was thinking about a motor that doesnt have magnets, only coils for stator and armature/rotor. So it came to mind of a way to power the armature without brushes. ;)

Mags
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on November 26, 2015, 05:04:35 PM
Is not bad idea, but difficult to make, for example, the balance of the rotor with a pancake coil is something that is difficult because we need technology instruments to make this action, and i don´t see that i will get good results...!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on November 28, 2015, 01:26:10 AM
8 minutes in "SELF OSCILLATION"...!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-VpLIZJR0A
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on November 28, 2015, 09:19:44 PM
Experiment: Inductive Coupling Effect in two coils...!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZgqoJ_DCTs

Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on November 28, 2015, 11:13:20 PM
Arthurs never made a replica of my stranded pancake coils and messed up their experiments, he was wrong with their comparisons with conventional coils ...!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZgqoJ_DCTs
My pancake coils configurations are unique, so far no one has made a replica as mine, not because I already gave instructions to them ...! i hope anyone else can make one and demostrate the amazing characteristics of the multifilar pancake coils...!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: forest on November 29, 2015, 11:02:41 AM
Arthurs never made a replica of my stranded pancake coils and messed up their experiments, he was wrong with their comparisons with conventional coils ...!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZgqoJ_DCTs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZgqoJ_DCTs)
My pancake coils configurations are unique, so far no one has made a replica as mine, not because I already gave instructions to them ...! i hope anyone else can make one and demostrate the amazing characteristics of the multifilar pancake coils...!


Please give us more data : wire diameter, schematic how they are connected, circuit schematic ....
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: seychelles on December 01, 2015, 08:24:36 AM
JORGE I AM AMAZED AT YOUR WORKMANSHIP. SO JORGE THIS
 IS JUST AN IDEA, WHY DON'T YOU MAKE YOUR FAMOUS COIL AND PUT IT UP FOR SALE.
I WILL BUY ONE AND I KNOW SO WOULD A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE..YOU HAVE A GREAT
OPPORTUNITY HERE USE IT. THEN WE WILL BE ALL ON THE SAME WAVE LENGTH..IF
YOU CAN NOT SEND THE INFO TO CHINA AND THEY WILL BUILD IT FOR YOU. AND SELL
IT ON EBAY.. SERIOUSLY.. GREAT OPPORTUNITY..
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: seychelles on December 01, 2015, 08:35:50 AM
WHEN YOU LIGHT A CANDLE TO LIGHT UP THE ROOM YOU DO NOT PUT IT IN
THE CUPBOARD NO YOU PUT IT UP ON THE HIGHEST PLACE IN THAT ROOM.
WHAT AM I TALKING ABOUT JORGE.. NICHOLAS TESLA HAD SOME SUPER GREAT INVENTION
LOCKED IN HIS SAFE AND WHAT HAPPEN TO IT..MR MORAY, MR FLOYD SWEET, MR THAT
GUY WHO HAD THIS CAR THAT RUN ON VEGETABLE OIL USING THIS REDESIGN ROAD BITUMEN
MACHINE SO SORRY TO BORE YOU..WHAT HAPPEN TO ALL OF THEM. THEY DIED AND ALL THEIR
GREAT INVENTION WENT WITH THEM..SO WHAT IS THE USE OF SPENDING ALL THAT EFFORT
AND STOP THERE ..JUST GO THAT LITTLE BIT FURTHER..NEVER SAY DIE NEVER GIVE UP..SHARE SHARE SHARE..
THAT WAY THE EVIL BASTARDS WILL NOT HAVE A LEG TO STAND ON..
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on December 01, 2015, 11:22:55 AM
I am working in a new configuration of "septefilar pancake coil" cover with ferrite magnets every coil, the septefilar pancake coil will be "inside of a permanent magnet" is posibble that this coil produce twice
output voltage, and i will put the ferrite plates down and on top of the coil, with this configuration i can get a very good "transformer" all the coils will be inside of a permanent magnet...!
The problem of the cost is difficult to say, i realy  don´t know what is the cost of producing this pancake coil, for example, my new multifilar pancake coil, the configuration is for 36 pancake coils, in six groups
of six pancakes each one, i have to be weld each group in "series" , and i have to make this with a "mold", my coil does not support errors, this take time and effort, all the pancake coils are isolated and divided
in goups, this takes time and the construction of the 36 pancake coils also.


I have a process to reduce time, now i can make one multifilar coil (with my possible time) possible in one week or more...! with money i can reduce the time possible in two days, but i need molds and people working for me. Just tell me, how much would you be willing to pay for one...?


The new coil i think, will be the best coil for me, i have to make the tests and wait for the new results...!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: seychelles on December 01, 2015, 03:59:19 PM
BECAUSE I AM BROKE OFFER OF 20$AUZI DOLLARS..
VERY LIKELY THE POSTAGE OF IT WILL BE MORE THAN THAT..
SEE I NOW LIVE IN PERTH OZ BUT ORIGINALLY FROM THE
SEYCHELLES ISLANDS IN THE MIDDLE OF INDIAN OCEAN.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: seychelles on December 01, 2015, 04:12:38 PM
JORGE DID YOU EVER WIND A COIL IN THIS CONFIGURATION.
BUT I DO NOT THINK YOU DID DISCLOSE IT..ONE OF YOUR PASS
EXPERIMENT.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: forest on December 01, 2015, 07:14:20 PM
The best way I can imagine is to put all pancake coils into a mold of dense ferrite dust and resin. That's what I plan to do. skycollection I think you should consider this.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: shylo on December 01, 2015, 09:32:26 PM
http://overunity.com/15560/skycollections-pentafilar-pancake-inductively-coupled-overunity-potential/msg467165/#msg467165

That's only half the circuit.
artv
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on December 10, 2015, 10:07:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6r_M1N5ygc


This is my new configuration of multifilar pancake coil, obviously nobody makes a replica because it is not an "easy" job, this keeps me in a place as unique ...!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: forest on December 10, 2015, 10:55:46 PM
Well...yes, unique as you made it. I'm still waiting for resources to build it :-( 
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on December 10, 2015, 11:19:24 PM

Boguslaw Brandys (https://www.youtube.com/user/bodziobran) [/color]Hace 21 minutos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6r_M1N5ygc&lc=z12tdfgytyvrcnfv0232etnp4mvqu1btw)[/color]

Nice, but this kind of usage is inefficient.
I realy don´t understand this kind of commentaries, SKY-36 IS THE UNIQUE pancake coil (no replications) and i don´t know how he can say that is ineficient...! can you explain something about this...?
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on December 20, 2015, 07:20:31 PM
THIS IS THE SECOND PART OF THE SKY-36 THE INPUT IN WATTS, I HAVE NEW COMPONENTS IN THE PANCAKE COIL....!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDJUvvteSZM


I HOPE IT SERVES FOR YOU...!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: conradelektro on December 20, 2015, 08:25:35 PM
Skycollection, I watched your Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDJUvvteSZM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDJUvvteSZM) .

The interesting part would be the measurement of the output.

Please look at the attached drawing. Could you please replace one LED-lamp with a 100 Ohm resistor (or a 1000 Ohm resistor) and do the indicated measurement with your Multimeter? (A 50 Ohm or 220 Ohm or 330 Ohm, or any resistor in this range would do.)

Your Multimeter should be set to 200 V AC as shown in  the drawing.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on December 21, 2015, 02:47:13 AM
Ok Coradelektro, i did the experiment and i used a resistor of 1K and the result was 6.9, I really do not know what this result means, i will appreciate very much if you explain me.
the input watts with the resistance of 1 k : 13.56 volts x 0.13 = 1.76 watts.






Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: conradelektro on December 21, 2015, 01:28:50 PM
The idea is to use Ohm's law to calculate the Watts used by the resistor. The resistor transforms the Watts into heat.

Ohm`s law: V = I * R

In your case:  6.9 = I * 1000  -->   I = 6.9 / 1000 = 0.0069 Ampere

Watt = V * I = 6.9 * 0.0069 = 0.047

So, your output at the 1000 Ohm resistor is 47 Milliwatt or 0.047 Watt.


Since you have five outputs (5 LED-lamps or one could put five 1K resistor instead of the LED-lamps) the total output is 5 x 47 Milliwatt = 235 Milliwatt or 0.235 Watt.

Here is a on-line calculator which allows you to do the calculation by yourself (just fill in Voltage 6.9 and Resistor 1000 and click Calculate).

http://www.ohmslawcalculator.com/ohms-law-calculator (http://www.ohmslawcalculator.com/ohms-law-calculator)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ohm's_law_formula_wheel.JPG (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ohm's_law_formula_wheel.JPG)

One could argue, that your Multimeter does not measure true RMS Voltage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_mean_square), only peak to peak Voltage. But with this low output an error of even 50% would not matter much.

May be you have an other Multimeter which can measure lower AC Voltages (not 200 V AC, but may be 20 V AC). Repeat the measurement with that Multimeter. Attention: you have to measure alternating current (AC Voltage over the resistor), not direct current (not DC Voltage over the resistor). But there will only be a small difference. LEDs are very sensitive at low currents, they shine a little with only 2 Milliwatts. If your LED-lamps would be driven with the nominal current, they would hurt your eyes.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on December 21, 2015, 05:30:36 PM
Ok Conrad, i realy apreciate your time and thanks for the information, i will study the links and i will make more tests.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: conradelektro on December 21, 2015, 07:00:57 PM
Ok Conrad, i realy apreciate your time and thanks for the information, i will study the links and i will make more tests.

Hi Skycollection:

You could replace all five LED-Lamps with a 1K resistor and you do the measurement for all five resistors. You should get similar Voltages over each 1K resistor around 6.9 V AC.

This will show that the output from each of the five coils is similar and more or less independent from the other coils.

The normal digital Multi-meters do a pretty good true RMS Voltage measurement around 50 to 60 Hz. And your output should be between 30 Hz and 50 Hz (which is about 1800 to 3000 rpm = revolutions per minute of your motor). And the output should be pretty much a sine wave. If you know someone with an oscilloscope, you could also measure the AC Voltage over the 1K resistor like you do with your multimeter. Most digital storage oscilloscopes will display (calculate) the true RMS Voltage. The difference between a very exact measurement with an oscilloscope and your multimeter will not be great (may be in the order of 5% to 20%).

Your motor-generators are very nicely built. Your input measurement is already pretty good and the output measurement is well under way.

Very good car alternators have an efficiency of about 80%. Unfortunately it is very unlikely that you can reach such an efficiency with your motor-generators because you can not optimise your materials like the designers in a car alternator factory. You would need a very small and precise gap between rotor an coils, very good magnets and specially designed coils and core material.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternator_%28automotive%29#Field_regulation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternator_%28automotive%29#Field_regulation)

Nowadays one uses very sophisticated design software http://operafea.com/motor-design-software/?gclid=CLH_mO3D7ckCFRLhGwodnS8O7w (http://operafea.com/motor-design-software/?gclid=CLH_mO3D7ckCFRLhGwodnS8O7w)

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on December 22, 2015, 01:25:58 PM
Thanks Conrad, I think it's worth making a new video with the correct measurements of each group of pancake coils with a resistance of 1K, and thanks for your commentaries.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: conradelektro on December 22, 2015, 02:17:06 PM
I think it's worth making a new video with the correct measurements of each group of pancake coils with a resistance of 1K

Would be interesting and your viewers will be able to see the result and whether you did the measurement correctly.

You motor-generators are nice to look at and good measurements will make them interesting as well.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on December 22, 2015, 07:21:45 PM
Conrad, i have new data: I move the potentiometer to the breakeven.... i measure in the next way:
GROUP 1- TO THE CIRCUIT
GROUP 2= 8.7
GROUP 3= 8.3
GROUP 4= 8.6
GROUP 5= 8.5
GROUP 6= 8.6
I found a problem to measure each coil, i need to connect at least two LED bulbs for the circuit enter in self  oscillation, any way i can measure three groups at the same time.
THE INPUT CHANGE TO: 13.57 VOLTS X 0.15 = 2.03 WATTS
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: conradelektro on December 22, 2015, 08:22:30 PM
Conrad, i have new data: I move the potentiometer to the breakeven.... i measure in the next way:
GROUP 1- TO THE CIRCUIT
GROUP 2= 8.7
GROUP 3= 8.3
GROUP 4= 8.6
GROUP 5= 8.5
GROUP 6= 8.6
I found a problem to measure each coil, i need to connect at least two LED bulbs for the circuit enter in self  oscillation, any way i can measure three groups at the same time.
THE INPUT CHANGE TO: 13.57 VOLTS X 0.15 = 2.03 WATTS

Let's take 8.7 Volt as the measurement (the higher the better) and the result for the output is:

- each coil puts out (at most) (8.7/1000)*8.7 = 0.076 Watt

- five coils together put out (at most) 5 * 0.076 =  0.38 Watt

- and as you measured, the input is about 2 Watt


I can not really explain the self resonance problem. There is a difference between a resistor and a LED:

- a resistor lets the current through, independent of Voltage; Voltage over the resistor will rise and fall like a sinus curve

- a LED needs about 1.8 Volt to become conductive (or even 3 Volt to have little resistance); therefore the Voltage over the LED will rise sharply till it reaches 1.8 Volt, it will then rise slowly to about 3 Volt and then it will decline also rather fast; the Voltage over the LED will not be a nice sinus curve, more like spikes; this might help self resonance (but this is just a speculation)

You could see that with an oscilloscope.


You could measure the AC Voltage over the LED lamp. It will be about 2 Volt or even less, may be 1.5 Volt (true RMS). This measurement over the LED lamp is just for fun and can not be used easily for a power calculation, because the resistance of the LED lamp is variable (and not constant like for the 1K resistor. Therefore I told you to use a resistor instead of the LED lamp for power measurement.)

The AC Voltage measurement over the LED lamp can also show whether the LEDs on the lamp are connected in series or in parallel. The measured AC Voltage would be higher if for instance there are six groups of three LEDs in series.


May be you can spin a stronger rotor magnet on top of the coil to make self resonance more easy. Or you could change the stand for the rotor magnet in a way to place the rotor magnet closer to the top of the coil. It looks like you could flip the rotor magnet by 180° (so that the round acrylic plate is on top), which will place the rotor magnet closer to the top of the coil (because the round acrylic plate is not longer between the rotor magnet and the top of the coil). The rotor magnet might not be stable in this position, but you could hold it down with your hand.


Would be nice to see a video of your measurements, if it is not too much trouble and work for you.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on December 26, 2015, 08:59:20 PM
I'm on vacation and not have anything to do ...! MOTOR ASSEMBLY THIS IS ONLY MY TOY, Merry Christmas and happy new year to all...!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pmg_ksor6c



Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on January 20, 2016, 07:12:59 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POw_cUEyBDY
THIS IS MY NEW CONFIGURATION OF PANCAKE COIL......PROJECT: EDDY CURRENTS
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Cherryman on January 20, 2016, 11:05:15 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POw_cUEyBDY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POw_cUEyBDY)
THIS IS MY NEW CONFIGURATION OF PANCAKE COIL......PROJECT: EDDY CURRENTS


Hi Sky,


That looks promising! Good work.


I'm not an electrical wonder,
But with no or minimal eddy currents..  could it be as simple as to swap your pancake coil with a very thick wire pancake coil and have some good amperage? 


Keep up the good work!

Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on January 20, 2016, 01:49:41 PM
Just look that expressions........is very important........is an expresion of sm0ky2 this January 18 2016..........:


At the self-resonant frequency (for both inductor and coil):[/size]The reluctance of the inductor (resistance to change in flux) approaches 0The inductor behaves like a pure capacitor.The Coil has a capacitance, and at self-resonance, this capacitance takes on a purely inductive state.  (a capacitor does this too, but the explanation is a bit more complex.)When the inductor is a capacitor, and the capacitor is an inductor, the two can oscillate back and forth with little or no resistance to the effects of the oscillations.meaning there are no losses in the system, it can continue to resonate indefinitely, or until the physical components dissipate all of the energy due to heat.An inductive coupling to this self resonant circuit (but not electrically connected), can draw power off of the changes in the electromagnetic field, without affecting the oscillations of the system.Power that can be fed back in periodically to offset the heat losses.Tesla called this "energy" some kind of Cosmic Waves, he theorized were everywhere...
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on April 29, 2016, 07:12:48 PM
ZERO POINT ENEGY...?      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHBOdXm4Djk

Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Bob Smith on April 29, 2016, 07:22:59 PM
Yes, there must be extra energy coming in from somewhere to maintain the electrical output at unity.
Felicidades,
Bob
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on April 30, 2016, 01:12:51 AM
conradelektro (http://overunity.com/profile/conradelektro.22881/):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuojMlUf-wE
ZERO POINT ENERGY...?
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MagnaProp on April 30, 2016, 08:38:18 AM
...ZERO POINT ENERGY...?
Nicely done sir !!!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MagnaProp on April 30, 2016, 10:13:47 AM
What size is the wire you use in quadfiler coil?
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on April 30, 2016, 01:45:08 PM
I am using gauge wire 23, the magnetic induction is better with this gauge, in other projects i used gauge wire 21 that is good too...!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MagnaProp on April 30, 2016, 10:52:47 PM
Thank you for the info. It is great that you are sharing this.

I am looking at your quadfiler build videos now. Hope to have something built in a few weeks. I will have to ask lots of questions so thanks in advance for any help.

I noticed in another video of yours that it will self resonate for 8 minutes with no further external power needed while keeping the light on. Do  you think it's possible to give a short power pulse to bring it up to resonance, let it self resonate for 4 minutes then give it another short power pulse to bring it up to self resonance for another 4 minutes. Then continue that process. Any benefit in doing that?

Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on May 01, 2016, 12:30:56 AM
It is correct, i am planning to make a new configuration pancake coil that resonate for 8 minutes with six supercaps, that can charge in a few seconds, i send you my last video with the new configuration pancake "picup coil" CAROUSEL OF LIGTHS" i will use the new configuration pancake coil SKY-93 TO BUILD MY NEW COIL. The inductance effect that produce my pancake coil will be a good process for
new practical applications, for example, like emergency ligtths...!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaSU9-GGHlw



Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MagnaProp on May 01, 2016, 11:36:16 AM
Your CAROUSEL OF LIGTHS looks very interesting!

I looked at your bifilar and quadfilar build videos. Are these images correct on how they are connected?
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on May 01, 2016, 02:03:06 PM
Quadfilar pancake coil: i am using four groups of SINGLE WIRE PANCAKE COILS, is not necessary to use "bifilar coils"  and i connect "in series six single pancake coils, four groups, isolated and divided from each other, only one group or two groups are connected to the circuit and the other gropus "induces the current" like "pickup coils"....! for this project i am using gauge wire 23.


In the project CARROUSEL OF LIGHTS: I am using only one group of pancake coils, six single wire pancake coils connected in "series" with a big HOLE IN THE CENTRE, and i put on top five NEW SKY-93 as
PICKUP COILS, i am using my experimental circuit   JL94 that i used in many videos with many experiments, when i turn the neoball in the plastic box, the neoball turn with high speed, and the ligths on with great intensity...!


SKY-93 consist in a single wire pancake coil gauge 32, very thin wire, with aproxymately 930 turns each one, its a little complicated to make, but i did it, this pickup coils only works with high speed ball magnet


CIRCUITS: I USED TWO CIRCUITS, DEPENDING OF THE EXPERIMENT: 1.- THE BEDINI CIRCUIT I CONNECT TWO GREEN TERMINALS 2.- MY EXPERIMENTAL CIRCUIT JL94 I CONNECT ONLY ONE GREEN TERMINAL, THE OTHER GROUPS INDUCES THE CURRENT US PICKUP COILS...!!!


I like your drawings, but please make other with single wire like Tesla did in his PATENT BOOK.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on May 01, 2016, 02:17:37 PM
Every group of pancake coils consist in six SINGLE PANCAKE COILS CONNETED IN SERIES, you can use six or more pancake coils, and the terminals positive and negative are connected to the circuit JL94
in your drawing the second group is the correct way to presnt but connected to the circuit not to the battery.
If you need more information, you can see five videos in my YOUTUBE CHANNEL, i have the process of the QUADFILAR PANCAKE COIL, and you can write me to; skycollection@hotmail.com
i can send you my circuits for a good drawing.
saludos from mexico, jorge rebolledo
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MagnaProp on May 05, 2016, 09:52:24 AM
Thank you for the info. I have watched your videos on how to make the coils but I am still very confused. I thought those videos show how to make the tesla bifilar pancake coil. I am not understanding something.

... please make other with single wire like Tesla did in his PATENT BOOK.
I do not know what the tesla single wire coil is. I have only seen his bifilar pancake coil.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on May 05, 2016, 12:35:49 PM
(http://texvedkom.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Tesla_COIL_FOR_ELECTRO-MAGNETS_USPatent_512340_page1_800x1200.png)
YOU HAVE TO USE THE FIG. I THAT THIS IS THE SINGLE WIRE PANCAKE COIL...!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on May 05, 2016, 12:42:39 PM
THIS IS THE SINGLE WIRE PANCAKE COIL...!
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MagnaProp on May 15, 2016, 02:32:33 PM
Thanks for all the info.

From "HOW TO WELD A QUADFILAR PANCAKE COIL (PART 1) " I get these images which I think are correct.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MagnaProp on May 15, 2016, 02:35:47 PM
From "HOW TO WELD A QUADFILAR PANCAKE COIL (PART 2)" I get these images which I believe are correct.

Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: MagnaProp on May 15, 2016, 02:48:09 PM
I don't understand the video "HOW TO WELD A QUADFILAR PANCAKE COIL (PART 3)".

I don't see how you get those 5 connections from "4 groups of six coils each".

I only get the 5 connections if I use 5 groups of 8 coils each, for a total of 40 coils. I'm obviously not understanding something here. Any advice is appreciated.

Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on May 15, 2016, 05:30:20 PM
One more time....!
Every group of pancake coils (in my video) consist in six unifilar pancake coils connected in series, that´s because you see five welds, in my coil i have four groups so you have in total 24 unifilar pancake coils,
divided in four groups isolated and divided, the commentary was that you can use six or more pancake coils, you can use in one group 8 pancake coils, in four groups you have to make 32 unifilar pancake coils, when you put the attention to the five welds, means that you have six unifilar pancake coils connected in series, in total i have 20 welds for the four groups, every group have five welds.

IN THIS PART 3 WERE WELDED IN TOTAL 4 GROUPS OF SIX COILS EACH, WITH A TOTAL OF 24 UNIFILAR PANCAKE COILS,  EACH GROUP HAVE FIVE WELDS (FOUR GROUPS CONNECTED INDIVIDUALLY IN SERIES).
Ok, I made the correction in the video
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on May 18, 2016, 10:38:36 PM
You can make multifilar pancake coils with different configurations and an example is this......septefilar pancake coil...!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chi6yrk6iaI
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on June 05, 2016, 01:33:28 AM
Let's start to Breaking the LAW...I think is a Human Right!...![/size]
Let's start to Breaking the LAW...I think is a Human Right!...![/size]

[/size]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQu6Yt8xbjo

Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on June 05, 2016, 10:39:38 PM
PULSE MOTOR BUILD OFF 2016, THESE ARE MY FIRST RESULTS OF INPUT & OUTPUT WATTS...![/size]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyAj3gayC8s
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: hartiberlin on June 06, 2016, 06:21:01 AM
Well done Jorge, try to use periodic coil shorting via reed relays, that will give many BEMF Spikes and could recharge your Supercaps, if you use bridge rectifier to recharge the Supercap.... coil shorting is the way to go to get high OU factors...

See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1j2oYRt2jc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1j2oYRt2jc)
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on June 06, 2016, 02:06:35 PM
Ok, thanks i will apreciate if you can make a drawing with my circuit and indicate the way or how i can connect a reed switch, in the video that you present me i don´t see the circuit diagram, i understand with drawings because my bad english, i don´t speak good english so is good a drawing if you have some time.
saludos from mexico. jorge rebolledo
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on July 13, 2016, 03:22:41 PM
This is my final entry to the PMBO 2016, supercaps and septefilar pancake coil...!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY7bhQXnY6U
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: e2matrix on July 13, 2016, 07:16:17 PM
As always very nice work!   What is the rating on the Supercaps?   I couldn't quite tell but it looked like 25 Farad ?
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection on July 13, 2016, 08:09:05 PM
Yes is correct, supercaps 2.7 volts 25 farad, one, two or three in parallel  is the same result...!
Title: HIGH FREQUENCY TRANSFORMER
Post by: skycollection on July 20, 2016, 02:51:39 PM
This is my new configuration "tri-filar pancake coils" the induction is amazing...!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ktubg8ezNM



Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection 1 on December 15, 2016, 01:04:11 PM
THIS IS MY BEST EXPERIENCE WITH PANCAKE COILS...!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEdGjLasH8Q

SKYCOLLECTION 1 IS NOT A NEW USER, I LOST THE PASSWORD.
SALUDOS
JORGE REBOLLEDO
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection 1 on June 16, 2017, 06:56:48 PM
Sorry for dealte some videos, i am working in a new configuration "pentafilar pancake coil" this coil consist in five groups of "bifilar pancake coils" connected in series or parallel, i will make two experimets when i finish the new configuration.
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: skycollection 1 on January 28, 2018, 01:20:54 AM
INDUCTIVE COUPLING EFFECT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ-ntu10GE8
Title: Re: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".
Post by: Merry on May 22, 2018, 06:10:44 AM
Hello do you have delete your Youtube Channel....any other channel to follow? Thanks