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Author Topic: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".  (Read 185165 times)

Offline synchro1

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Use "AA" batteries as a power source,
Does not explain the weak supply capacity,
For example: DURACELL "AA" battery capacity can reach more than 1700mAh,
So: Use "AA" batteries as the drive power can not explain the input power is small.
Thus: To know the exact input power,
Must be connected to the meter drive circuit monitors the input voltage and current.

@Arthur,

The apparatus appears as though it's benefitting  from "Reverse Lenz Propulsion". Normally the increased light intensity would cause the rotor to experience deceleration rather then speed up. Secondly, the induced current in the closely adjacent bifilar secondary's  is inverted to AC from DC pulse in the primary. This causes gain measured in "Negative Micro-Henries" due to the zero impedance to change in current direction.

Consider this:

"In pulse transformers one of the windings of a bifilar coil is used as a means to dissipate the energy accumulated in the magnetic flux. Because the two coil windings are so closely spaced, they are penetrated by the same magnetic flux. One of the wires is usually grounded using a LED. So when the voltage on the other main wire is out, the magnetic flux generates current using the auxiliary (limiting) winding. The voltage on this winding is equal to the voltage drop on the diode (forward direction). Voltage of the same value appears on the main winding. Had the limiting winding not been used, the parasitic magnetic flux would have tried to induce the current in the main winding".

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSz4Xz7pJwY


Arthur, i have no secrets for you, i am trying to help with diagrams and with videos, you can see how to make pancake coils part one, the way to wind the coils and easy way to make it in 08 minutes, i hope it serves for you...! you can make single pancake coils or bi-filar pancake coils, the shape and size you want, small coils or big coils.

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@Arthur,

 
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The apparatus appears as though it's benefitting  from "Reverse Lenz Propulsion". Normally the increased light intensity would cause the rotor to experience deceleration rather then speed up.
And why do you think that?. If you knew what was happening,then you would understand as to why the rotor speeds up when a heavier load is placed on the coil/inductor. A heavier load means a greater current,which means a stronger magnetic field,which means a greater attraction or repulsionforce (depending on wether it's a repulsion or attraction motor setup)  on the rotor magnets.

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Consider this:
"In pulse transformers one of the windings of a bifilar coil is used as a means to dissipate the energy accumulated in the magnetic flux. Because the two coil windings are so closely spaced, they are penetrated by the same magnetic flux. One of the wires is usually grounded using a LED. So when the voltage on the other main wire is out, the magnetic flux generates current using the auxiliary (limiting) winding. The voltage on this winding is equal to the voltage drop on the diode (forward direction). Voltage of the same value appears on the main winding. Had the limiting winding not been used, the parasitic magnetic flux would have tried to induce the current in the main winding".

Consider this-->current follows the path of least resistance.

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@Milehigh,

The "Series Bifilar Coil" of Nicola Tesla is an AC coil. The coil has zero impedance to change in current direction. Running AC current through a "Single Wire" coil of equal Ohmic resistance will cause it to heat up while the "Bifilar" runs cool. Testing the two types of coils for comparison with a monopolar rotor or DC current will not produce any meaningful results.

That is not true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcFySCAxLzs

Offline synchro1

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That is not true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcFySCAxLzs

@TinselKoala,

Up to your old tricks again, huh?

Your video compares the "Hairpin Bifilar" to the "Tesla Series Bifilar" coil. What I challenged you to do is to place a single wire pancake coil on a Gegene hot plate and record as small a rise in heat as JLN does with his TSBC. I offered to bet you any amount of money you couldn't accomplish this. This comparison has nothing what-so-ever to do with your "Hairpin" to "Tesla Bifilar" comparison video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqgO7AEZXzI

You know as well as I do that the Gegene would melt the single wire pancake coil rather then inductively couple and transfer the AC power like the "Tesla Bifilar Pancake" does.

You're just in that group of "Haywire Trouble-Makers"!

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Offline synchro1

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And why do you think that?. If you knew what was happening,then you would understand as to why the rotor speeds up when a heavier load is placed on the coil/inductor. A heavier load means a greater current,which means a stronger magnetic field,which means a greater attraction or repulsionforce (depending on wether it's a repulsion or attraction motor setup)  on the rotor magnets.

Consider this-->current follows the path of least resistance.

@Tinman,

My guess is that the stronger magnetic field raises the ferrite core to the saturation point. This may in turn slow the electric current flow down in the coil windings and delay the pole shift causing reverse Lenz propulsion. This effect perhaps couples with and augments the effect you highlighted. Skycollection generates a huge amount of very bright light with merely two tiny AA batteries. I'm extremely impressed. I don't believe all that illumination comes from just the batteries alone.
« Last Edit: March 31, 2015, 10:40:14 PM by synchro1 »

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@Tinman,

My guess is that the stronger magnetic field raises the ferrite core to the saturation point. This may in turn slow the electric current flow down in the coil windings and delay the pole shift causing reverse Lenz propulsion. This effect perhaps couples with and augments the effect you highlighted. Skycollection generates a huge amount of very bright light with merely two tiny AA batteries. I'm extremely impressed. I don't believe all that illumination comes just from the batteries alone.

Not underestimate the 'AA' batteries,
[DURACELL] of "AA" battery has a capacity of at least 1700mAh,
Two "AA" batteries can provide more power 3W.

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Offline synchro1

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Not underestimate the 'AA' batteries,
[DURACELL] of "AA" battery has a capacity of at least 1700mAh,
Two "AA" batteries can provide more power 3W.

@Arthur,

Big deal. That might illuminate a porch light. Skycollection's generating enough brightness for an overhead chandelier.

By the way; You should take notice of Skycollection's S-S N-N magnet positioning in his latest video schematic. You failed to label your magnet polarities. I am assuming they're monopolar. I stressed the major importance of generating a pure AC sine wave, as Skycollection does, to maximize the full capabilities of the "AC Tesla Bifilar Pancake Coil".

This kind of signal is essential for the inductive coupling effect, along with the correct "Ensemble" described by Skycollection in his PDF.

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I post this video and the circuit for my pancake coils and a pulse motor-generator with 2 AA batteries...!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do5xtmfMRxI

Jorge:

I looked at your clip.  I don't know why you would call it "Serious OU Potential Pulse Motor."

It's important to not lie to yourself when you make experiments.  This is a problem that you see everywhere on the forums.

Here is what is going on in your clip:

Input Power:

Two AA batteries.

Output Power:

Oscillator circuit (heat)
Three LED lights from coil pickup  (light + heat)
One LED light for back-EMF connection (light + heat)
Spinning rotor (heat)
Electrical losses in wires and coils (heat)

If you could make proper measurements then the input power would be exactly equal to the total output power.  That is the truth, and that is the reality.

There is no reason to make a false claim like "Serious OU Potential Pulse Motor."  There is no evidence for this.  You end up lying to yourself and your audience when you do that.

It's impossible to make measurements of the electrical power going into the LED lights because you would need an expensive digital storage oscilloscope to do that.

In the final analysis, the truth - la verdad - is an important thing that we all should not forget.  I am not trying to stop you from having fun with your experiments, just be truthful to yourself.

MileHigh

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No disrespect intended but a good High Voltage JT circuit can make more light than that with a single "dead" AA battery.  Also, the HVJT is not OU.
I don't see the utility of this circuit at all.


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No disrespect intended but a good High Voltage JT circuit can make more light than that with a single "dead" AA battery.  Also, the HVJT is not OU.
I don't see the utility of this circuit at all.


Bill

@Pirate88179,

There's more then light coming from the circuit. The powerful rotor torque has value too.

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@Pirate88179,

There's more then light coming from the circuit. The powerful rotor torque has value too.

Ah, OK, I did not consider that...I thought it was just about making light.

Bill

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@Milehigh,

The "Series Bifilar Coil" of Nicola Tesla is an AC coil. The coil has zero impedance to change in current direction.
snip....


Show me a coil arrangement, not hooked up in bucking or hairpin mode, with any core type, that has no inductive reactance (impedance) to a changing current direction (AC), and I'll buy one immediately for my pet Unicorn!

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@Pirate88179,

There's more then light coming from the circuit. The powerful rotor torque has value too.

There is no torque to speak of.  The rotor is just being pushed along by the power being expended by the battery.  The only way any possible torque from the rotor can have value is if it is actually driving a load and doing work.  In the clip the rotor is unloaded and not doing any useful work.

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Show me a coil arrangement, not hooked up in bucking or hairpin mode, with any core type, that has no inductive reactance (impedance) to a changing current direction (AC), and I'll buy one immediately for my pet Unicorn!

When a coil is being driven at it's self-resonant frequency, the AC impedance is zero.  However, the resistance of the wire is real and it is always there.  That resistance will always oppose the flow of current.

 

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