Author Topic: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential". (Read 225552 times)

Void · « **Reply #90 on:** March 08, 2015, 06:12:38 PM »

Quote from: Vortex1 on March 08, 2015, 05:04:37 PM

If you know the number of turns on your coil, you can get a good approximation of the inductance from any of a number of websites that do the calculation for you.
I'm sure there is one better suited to your coils, but this is a start:
e.g. http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/indsol.html

Hi Vortex1. I don't think that will work. From what I understand Jorge is using pancake coils,
not long solenoids. Also Jorge has said he has pancake coils connected in series for his primary, if I understood
correctly, plus other pancake coils stacked on that for secondaries. It won't be easy to calculate his primary
inductance. Measuring the inductance would be much easier for his setup.
P.S. I have the same blue LC meter that you recommended and I find it works quite good as well.
All the best...

Void · « **Reply #91 on:** March 08, 2015, 06:48:41 PM »

Jorge, it should be quite simple for you to get a fairly ballpark measurement of your
battery current, as I mentioned previously. I saw in another video of yours that you have a
multimeter. See the attached diagram on how to connect your multimeter to measure the current
being drawn from your battery pack. This will measure the average current, which is close enough
to get a reasonable idea of how much current your circuit is drawing. Use the 10 amp scale to start
because you are probably drawing more than 200 mA, and you don't want to blow a fuse in your meter
if it has one, or otherwise damage your meter.
Note: You need to plug your red meter probe into the probe jack that is marked '10A'.
The 10A scale will not be really accurate, but it is a good place to start to see approximately how much
current you are drawing from your battery pack. You can then reconfigure the probes and meter to measure
DC volts, and measure the battery terminal voltage while your multivibrator circuit is running.
If you have any questions feel free to ask.

Without doing this basic measurement of battery current and battery terminal voltage while the circuit is running,
it is hard to estimate how your circuit is performing.
All the best...

Vortex1 · « **Reply #92 on:** March 08, 2015, 07:08:12 PM »

Quote from: Void on March 08, 2015, 06:12:38 PM

Hi Vortex1. I don't think that will work. From what I understand Jorge is using pancake coils,
not long solenoids. Also Jorge has said he has pancake coils connected in series for his primary, if I understood
correctly, plus other pancake coils stacked on that for secondaries. It won't be easy to calculate his primary
inductance. Measuring the inductance would be much easier for his setup.
P.S. I have the same blue LC meter that you recommended and I find it works quite good as well.
All the best...

Hi Void

Yes it may be difficult, I was hoping to find a good calculator that was better suited to his pancake style coils, but couldn't.

re: AFAIK the LC200A was the best bang for the buck back a few years ago when I bought it.
It suits my needs.
There may be better ones today. I was looking for decent accuracy for the home experimenter on a budget, and I wanted a zeroing capability, and a case, not open board. You can get the same device cheaper as an open board unit w/o power supply.

Some of the better looking meters of that time had far worse accuracy or no accuracy spec. I was looking in the under $40 class. Today the game may have changed.

Regards, ION

skycollection · « **Reply #93 on:** March 08, 2015, 09:33:54 PM »

Ok, i made the test with my yelow multimmeter and the result was: INPUT VOLTAGE = 5.12 VOLTS X 0.08 = 0.4096 WATTS

This result is somewhat erratic BECAUSE MY HAND MADE SOME "INTERFERENCE" IN THE CIRCUIT THAT IS VERY NEAR OF THE PANCAKE COILS, IS "SOMETHING RARE" ...!

THE TEST WAS WITH THE QUADRIFILAR PANCAKE COIL, I HAVE THREE PICUP COILS WITH THREE BULB LEDS, TWO BULBS ARE OF 3 WATTS AND THE OTHER BULB LED IS TWO WATTS, A FRIEND OF MINE SELL ME, HE TOLD ME THE SPECIFICATIONS OF THE LED BULBS.
SALUDOS JORGE

Void · « **Reply #94 on:** March 09, 2015, 03:03:57 AM »

Hi Skycollection. Thanks. Ok on your input measurements, that is interesting. Your pancake coil setup seems to be
working quite efficiently then, assuming the current measurement is ballpark. Your LED lights are probably not
running much near full brightness however (unless you have over unity

). Can't really tell the actual brightness
when just viewing the LED lights in a video. Measuring output power accurately on LED lights is tricky
when you are driving them with an AC signal. I think you said your LED lights are designed for 12 VDC. If you have a
power supply that you can set to 12 VDC, you can connect the LED lights to it and compare the brightness of your LED
lights at 12 VDC compared to how bright they look when being run by your circuit. When LED lights are driven with pulses
I think they can appear brighter than if they are driven by the same power level at DC. Just my impression, I could be wrong
about that.

Anyway, your coil arrangement seems to working very well, so good job on that!
All the best...

skycollection · « **Reply #95 on:** March 09, 2015, 03:43:16 AM »

Thanks VOID, I made the comparison LED bulb brightness with a 12-volts battery, and with my vivrator circuit, using only one 12 volts bulb led and the result was impressive....! I almost reached the brightness LED bulb with a battery of 12 volts and my pancake coil, I would say 90% of brilliance, i was thinking in build a joule thief and connect to the led bulb and see what happens.

I have a "rare effect" with the circuit, i check all the connections and i don´t have false contact, the rare effect consist in place my hand above the circuit and i have an "interference" that swicht off the bulb leds,
I have always seen that there are many things unknown in my pancake coils, this effect is like radio waves that they do "ground" with my hand, i was thinking in build a special bi-filar pancake coil and use only one bulb of leds, i think i can make a practical application with my pancake coils.

I really apreciate all your commentaries and i will continue with more experiments and i hope get the goal...!

Void · « **Reply #96 on:** March 09, 2015, 04:07:52 AM »

Quote from: skycollection on March 09, 2015, 03:43:16 AM

Thanks VOID, I made the comparison LED bulb brightness with a 12-volts battery, and with my vivrator circuit, using only one 12 volts bulb led and the result was impressive....! I almost reached the brightness LED bulb with a battery of 12 volts and my pancake coil, I would say 90% of brilliance, i was thinking in build a joule thief and connect to the led bulb and see what happens.

I have a "rare effect" with the circuit, i check all the connections and i don´t have false contact, the rare effect consist in place my hand above the circuit and i have an "interference" that swicht off the bulb leds, I have always seen that there are many things unknown in my pancake coils, this effect is like radio waves that they do "ground" with my hand, i was thinking in build a special bi-filar pancake coil and use only one bulb of leds, i think i can make a practical application with my pancake coils.

I really apreciate all your commentaries and i will continue with more experiments and i hope get the goal...!

Hi Skycollection. If your LED bulb with your pancake coil circuit is somewhere close to the brightness
of the LED bulb when the LED bulb is connected to a 12V battery, then that is quite impressive.

If one or more of your pancake coils are running close to or at a resonance frequency, then when you place your
hand near the coils you can untune the coils and cause them to move away from their resonance frequency. This happens
because your body has capacitance and when you move your hand or body close to the coils your body capacitance
interacts with the coils and changes their resonant frequency, or to say it another way, it changes the tuning of the coils.
You are altering the capacitance of the coil assembly when you move your hand close to the coils. This same effect occurs with
any coils that are run at or close to a resonance frequency. It seems that one or more of your coils may be running at or near a resonance frequency.

All the best...

skycollection · « **Reply #97 on:** March 09, 2015, 04:58:29 PM »

Void, i did another test with other bi-filar pancake coil and in accordance with the resistance ohms is the result, for example, other pancake coil was:input voltage= 5.02 volts x 0.27 = 1.35 watts the led bulb of 12 volts i am using is of three watts. IS POSSIBLE THAT MY PANCAKE COILS, TRI-FILAR, CUADRIFILAR, PENTAFILAR AND SEPTEFILAR COILS, HAVE LOW RESISTANCE OHMS, and is difficult that the bulb leds swith on correctly or with all its intensity ...!

Any way is an interesting project that leaves me a good experience....!

Void · « **Reply #98 on:** March 09, 2015, 09:14:37 PM »

Quote from: skycollection on March 09, 2015, 04:58:29 PM

Void, i did another test with other bi-filar pancake coil and in accordance with the resistance ohms is the result, for example, other pancake coil was:input voltage= 5.02 volts x 0.27 = 1.35 watts the led bulb of 12 volts i am using is of three watts. IS POSSIBLE THAT MY PANCAKE COILS, TRI-FILAR, CUADRIFILAR, PENTAFILAR AND SEPTEFILAR COILS, HAVE LOW RESISTANCE OHMS, and is difficult that the bulb leds swith on correctly or with all its intensity ...!
Any way is an interesting project that leaves me a good experience....!

Hi Skycollection. I am not sure what you mean, as the resistance of the pancake coil is not really much of
a factor in the input power consumption of your entire circuit (your driver circuit plus the coils plus the LED bulbs).
Do you mean that while your circuit was running with the LED bulbs also connected and lighting up, that the
input power consumption was around 1.35 Watts? Just to confirm, you understand that you have to measure the input
power with the driver circuit running and the LED bulbs connected and lighting up? This is what you did?
All the best...

synchro1 · « **Reply #99 on:** March 15, 2015, 03:33:14 AM »

Skycollection's new "Mutual Inductance" video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaLy9k6XCR4

synchro1 · « **Reply #100 on:** March 16, 2015, 07:50:39 PM »

It makes sense to immerse the coils in a ferrite slurry to harden into an induction Shell maximizing the Surface area in contact. My bet is it's outperforming a "Pot Transformer" like the one Akula's using on his LED generator.

This innovation of Skycollection's may come to be recognized as a major advance in due course.

skycollection · « **Reply #101 on:** March 17, 2015, 01:13:07 AM »

Thanks SYNCHRO1, i hope this experiment it serves for you....!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFIG-OiWhts

skycollection · « **Reply #102 on:** March 20, 2015, 05:36:06 PM »

THIS IS A GOOD EXPERIENCE WITH THE MULTI-VIBRATOR, I HOPE IT SERVES FOR YOU...!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBbug4qjKuk

skycollection · « **Reply #103 on:** March 27, 2015, 02:11:45 PM »

To greekboy......this is the circuit diagram, i hope it serves for you. PANCAKE COIL GEN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tk1uGY_Jgg

synchro1 · « **Reply #104 on:** March 27, 2015, 06:08:01 PM »

Quote from: skycollection on March 27, 2015, 02:11:45 PM

To greekboy......this is the circuit diagram, i hope it serves for you. PANCAKE COIL GEN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tk1uGY_Jgg

@Skycollection,

Chevere! Looks and sounds alot like a large version of the "Imhotep" electric fan motor. I would estimate the COP at very close to unity. Probably one of the most efficient electric motors ever designed. Very clean.

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