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Author Topic: Skycollection's "Pentafilar Pancake" inductively coupled "Overunity Potential".  (Read 157253 times)

Offline synchro1

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Hi Skycollection


I follow your experiment replication, Using normal coil, and Unifilar pancake coil, Bifilar pancake coils, Were carried out comparing drivers to pick up and power
Concluded that:
Whether Unifilar pancake coils, Or Bifilar pancake coils, Their effects and normal coil identical, Without the slightest increase efficiency and improve.
Driving efficiency and normal coil performance is identical;
Lenz resistance and normal coil performance is identical;
Generation efficiency and normal coil performance are identical.


May have offended you, but you can also use the normal coil for comparison.

This result is erroneous!

TinselKoala clearly demonstrates that the "Tesla Pancake Coil" transmits power more efficiently than the "Unifilar Pancake Coil" in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvb39SwTXBE

« Last Edit: April 01, 2015, 10:36:29 PM by synchro1 »

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Offline skycollection

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And the problem is that Arthur did not replicate correctly my pancake coils, i am agreed with you, i have many years studying the pancake coils and i prefere the pancake coil instead of conventional coil, with the pancake coil i can induce the voltage to the other pancake coils very easy (inductive coupling effect) the pancake coils enter in "self oscillation very easy, and the pancake coils have unknown effects and undiscovered effects...!

Offline synchro1

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Let's say for the sake of argument that the "Tesla Bifilar Pancake Coil" has the same power as the "Unifilar Pancake Coil". Two "Unifilar Pancake Coils" will still form a less efficient "Inductive Coupling" then two "Bifilar Pancake Coils". Where's the harm in using the "Bifilar Pancake Coil" if everything else is even except for the singular advantage under discussion?   

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Offline hoptoad

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When a coil is being driven at it's self-resonant frequency, the AC impedance is zero.  However, the resistance of the wire is real and it is always there.  That resistance will always oppose the flow of current.

I agree, but I don't recall seeing 'self resonance' of the coil thrown in as part of Synchro's statement. My error perhaps, however...


At self resonance the SUM of AC reactance is Zero. That does not mean there is no inductive reactance in the coil. It means the capacitive and inductive reactance are equal and therefore sum to zero, leaving only the coil resistance as both the real and effective impedance.


Zero reactive impedance is not the same as Null or None.

Offline synchro1

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The unsolved question is whether or not the "Tesla Bifilar Pancake Coil" can supply a rotor pulse and transmit the same pulse simultaneously to an inductively coupled coil in close adjacency that dual purposes the power? The other question is; If doubling the power this way is possible, can we continue to multiply it with additional coils? Skycollection has at least demonstrated the appearance of this infinity reflection of power effect, without producing any real definitive test results.

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Offline hoptoad

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The unsolved question is whether or not the "Tesla Bifilar Pancake Coil" can supply a rotor pulse and transmit the same pulse simultaneously to an inductively coupled coil in close adjacency that dual purposes the power?

Good question, and one which is worth exploring experimentally. As I understand Tesla's description of his bi-filar pancake coil, the advantage came from its increased inter-winding capacitance, allowing it to store more energy between discharges in his tank experiments. At close parallel proximity, two Tesla Bifilar Pancake Coils may possibly exhibit a very much higher capacitive power coupling rather than a much higher inductive coupling compared to a mono filar pancake.

I don't know and am only speculating this may be the case.

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I have in process my new PANCAKE COIL (SINGLE WIRE) QUADRIFILAR PANCAKE COIL "INSIDE OF A PERMANENT MAGNET" in other worlds, inside of a permanent magnetic field. This pancake coil is experimental, i don´t know what happen in this pancake coils, and i don´t have plans, i don´t have special reasons to make this experimental coils, this is experimentation only, very soon i will post my first experiment.

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Offline synchro1

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Two "Bifilar Pancake Coils" might transmit a pulse from one coil to the other at an efficiency close to 100 percent while the magnetic field propels a rotor. That would constitute an overunity effect. Sandwiching a "Bifilar Pancake Coil" primary with two receiver coils, one on each side, should either half or double the transmitted power. These are not really very difficult tests. 

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Today's test:
Traditional normal coil And pancake coils used to drive (motor) comparison test,Using exactly the same test platform,Pancake coil has been reworked in accordance with the method proposed Skycollection.


Traditional normal coil parameters and pancake coil exactly the same,All use AWG 20,Coil outer diameter 80mm,The inner diameter of 32mm,Traditional ordinary coil 480T.Each Unifilar pancake coil 30T,Bifilar pancake coil 15T,Use 16 pancake coils form a complete coil,Each 8 pancake coils as a group,2 groups form a complete coil,The total number of turns and the traditional normal wound coil unanimous.


Testing purposes:
Traditional normal coil and pancake coil in the same circumstances,Speed ​​and power consumption for driving (motor).


For safety considerations,Test voltage all use 4V,Since the voltage 4V speed has reached the 1000rpm or more.


Image data for the test.


"1/2 Unifilar pancake coil"Using a coil in which the one group,
"Full Unifilar pancake coil"Using a coil in which the two groups(Series).


In the process of testing,Constantly adjusting the rotor coil distance,Until maximum speed.


Test Results:
At present, yet not observed pancake coil has advantages.


Pancake coil generating tests conducted later.

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Offline synchro1

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@Arthurs,

Two inductively coupled "Bifilar Pancake Coils", two capacitors, two diodes, a flop switch, a battery, a DMM and a magnet rotor are all it would take to determine conclusively if there is any genuine "Skycollection" overunity effect.

The first test would involve measuring the percentage of power transmitted between the two "Bifilar Pancake Coils" to the receiving capacitor from a solitary pulse through inductance alone, then comparing that to the percentage transmitted again with the magnet rotor in place.

I believe that gain is possible from feedback due to any magnet rotor motion. The magnet rotor needs a diametric or N-S polarity. This is a simple test with possible dramatic and far reaching consequences.

The diodes would have to be positioned to allow for only one way power transmission to the secondary capacitor alone. Any measurable gain to the receiving capacitor over the transmitted induction percentage from rotor motion would qualify as OU output.

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@Arthurs,

The other necessary comparison would involve the rotor torque imparted by the pulse through one "Bifilar Pancake Coil" matched against the inductively coupled pair with a secondary load. This way we can accurately gauge the overall efficiency. Your tests so far look very professional, but there's really nothing new presented by your results so far. I hope you don't resent my suggestions as too intrusive.   

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Offline synchro1

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New video by Skycollection.

"Powerful Pancake Coils":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0hG2V-FSP8

"THIS IS MY NEW PANCAKE COIL CONFIGURATION, I HAVE A QUADRIFILAR PANCAKE COIL INSIDE OF A PERMANENT MAGNETIC FIELD, THIS IS A POWERFUL COIL, THIS IS MY FIRST TEST"...!

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That is a very nice build he has made there.  I have no idea how this will compare to a conventional coil but, his building skills are very good.

Bill

Offline synchro1

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@Arthurs,

Take a look at the "Mouse Trap" flop switch at :25 in this coil gun capacitor discharge video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-n4sGu0kZc

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Jorge:

The real information is there, all that you have to do is be willing to learn.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbasees/hph.html

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbasees/electric/farlaw.html#c1

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