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Offline ARMCORTEX

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Re: Flywheel devices
« Reply #60 on: March 06, 2015, 04:13:42 AM »
No, I was talking to noones and lota, then the ever so exberant ratset reminded me of your existence.

I dont know what is your intense hatred of videos. They are very visual  hard to fake a 100% shown demonstration withotu video editing.

If you notice, everybody is doing them, and alot can be learned from them, more than you ''think''.

And they really do speak millions of dollars, for example: the palladium investment devices and tour of assembly line.

Now that stuff speaks to me, more than your backgauges.

I respect you as a soldier of gravity. You should look for redemption by imparting some knowledge of worth on this thread immediatly.

Because so far, you have been quite boring.

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Re: Flywheel devices
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« Reply #61 on: March 06, 2015, 11:56:22 AM »
No, I was talking to noones and lota, then the ever so exberant ratset reminded me of your existence.

I dont know what is your intense hatred of videos. They are very visual  hard to fake a 100% shown demonstration withotu video editing.

If you notice, everybody is doing them, and alot can be learned from them, more than you ''think''.

And they really do speak millions of dollars, for example: the palladium investment devices and tour of assembly line.

Now that stuff speaks to me, more than your backgauges.

I respect you as a soldier of gravity. You should look for redemption by imparting some knowledge of worth on this thread immediatly.

Because so far, you have been quite boring.

"Redemption ......... " = Really? - Who is getting "religious" now?

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BTW, never have I seen such beautiful truth, the man who wrote this deserves praise."

Your words paint a clear picture about your own truthfulness.

"Fortunately, these tricks do not work because using logic and analysis of a person's behavior, attempted subversion by religion and politics that he is the wise one and thus deserves 1000's of dollars from fellow truthseekers ( to sabotage and damage us), impractical theories and 'evidence', we can see the light, and the bullshit. And safely assume, that if we stay away from these people and their traps we will be victorious."

So here you now have what exactly you asked for: "some knowledge of worth on this thread immediatly [sic]"

Hope you enjoy that I put a picture that shows what you are to make the point crystal clear: http://www.backgauges.com/Gen-E-Sys%20II/members%20area.html

Truth is: you have not learned enough to be - Careful about what you ask for - because you just might get more than you can handle.


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Re: Flywheel devices
« Reply #62 on: March 06, 2015, 01:56:52 PM »
hahaha, I love what I wrote.

I'm so funny.


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Re: Flywheel devices
« Reply #62 on: March 06, 2015, 01:56:52 PM »
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Re: Flywheel devices
« Reply #63 on: March 06, 2015, 02:05:02 PM »
hahaha, I love what I wrote.

I'm so funny.

YES you are A real queer joke.

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Re: Flywheel devices
« Reply #64 on: March 06, 2015, 02:35:40 PM »
Mike got his own forum at R-G: http://revolution-green.com/forum/ 6 months ago.
Judge for yourself.

Another classic "appeal to authority" since the going got tough, so you attempt to sidestep the "inconvenient facts" you have no way around.

Problem is you hail from there at "RG" and thanks to the world renown mark E the audience here can read what he suggested be read on fraudsters:

"www.revolution-green.com | Physics Review Board
https://physicsreviewboard.wordpress.com/category/www-revolution..."

"1. Introduction. Recently the gullible fools who operate the “Revolution-Green” website have given a wonderful helping hand to the vicious swindler and con ..."

Keep writing as ngepro, memoryman or any other name you choose and remember you still have to deal with the fact of basic physics.

Moreover; You appeal to a so-called "authority" that looks rather silly since you are part of it.

BTW: I especially enjoyed the "nit-witt" comments made by PRB ....... in light of the fact you previously wrote you were DONE.

My turn to let you know - you are DONE.


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Offline memoryman

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Re: Flywheel devices
« Reply #65 on: March 06, 2015, 03:58:51 PM »
powering your house/business with your contraptions yet?

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Re: Flywheel devices
« Reply #66 on: March 06, 2015, 11:37:39 PM »
Another classic "appeal to authority" since the going got tough, so you attempt to sidestep the "inconvenient facts" you have no way around.

Problem is you hail from there at "RG" and thanks to the world renown mark E the audience here can read what he suggested be read on fraudsters:

"www.revolution-green.com | Physics Review Board
https://physicsreviewboard.wordpress.com/category/www-revolution..."

"1. Introduction. Recently the gullible fools who operate the “Revolution-Green” website have given a wonderful helping hand to the vicious swindler and con ..."

Keep writing as ngepro, memoryman or any other name you choose and remember you still have to deal with the fact of basic physics.

Moreover; You appeal to a so-called "authority" that looks rather silly since you are part of it.

BTW: I especially enjoyed the "nit-witt" comments made by PRB ....... in light of the fact you previously wrote you were DONE.

My turn to let you know - you are DONE.
Following the link leads to this post by you:

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Temporal Visitor/guest • 6 months ago

Here are the formulas used - debunk away - that part is up to you.

Users enter data in 3 different places ~ "We enter a Diameter and Thickness to define a cylindrical OBJECT."

INPUT - Diameter (inches) @ A5 ~ ("Also we now learn a radius (C5) to be used several different ways.")

INPUT - Width (inches) @ A6 ~ "From this we learn the CUBIC INCHES of VOLUME of the OBJECT made from SOLID MATTER occupies in "Space"."

INPUT - Velocity/RPM at A8 [~this is what I refer to as "design Velocity" ~]

Calculations made from inputs in INCHES:
OUTPUT - Radius is calculated in C5 ..... =A5*0.5 [~ Diameter / 2 ~]

OUTPUT - Radius is converted to metric in G5 .... radius = (d/2) * 2.54 / 100 [~ inches converted to meters ~]

OUTPUT - Radius in meters is squared in I5 .... =G5*G5 [~ Radius meters squared ~]

OUTPUT - Radians are calculated in G8 .... =A8/60*2*3.1416 [~ RPM / 60 x 2 x pie ~]

OUTPUT - Radians per second squared calculated in I8 ~ =G8 x G8 [~ Radians per second ~]

OUTPUT - Area is calculated in D5 ..... =C5*C5*3.14159265 [~ Radius x radius x pie ~]

OUTPUT - Volume C.I. is calculated in C6 .... =D5*A6 [~ Area x length (width) in inches 0.0000 ~]

OUTPUT - Mass (weight pounds) displayed in A7 .... =SUM(C6)*0.28333333 [~ Cubic inches x density lb/in^3 ~]
Pounds are weight, not mass.  The English unit for mass is the slug.
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OUTPUT - Ounces are displayed in D7 .... =A7*16 [~ Pounds x 16 ~]

OUTPUT - OZ converted to kg in G7 ..... =C7/16/2.204 [~ mass = (m / 16) / 2.204 ~ ounces to kilograms ~]

OUTPUT - Surface speed I.P.S. in C8 .... =A8/60*3.1416*2*A5/2 [~ RPM / 60 x 3.1416 x 2 x radius inches ~]

OUTPUT - Inertia (kg*mA squared) in C10 .... =0.5*G7*I5 [~ Inertia = .5 * mass * (radius * radius) [* Moment of
inertia for disk type*] ~]

OUTPUT - ENERGY in JOULES in C9 .... =0.5*C10*I8 [~ 1/2 of Inertia x radians per second squared or KE = 0.5
* Inertia * (V * V) [* Kinetic energy for disk type*]

OUTPUT - ENERGY in JOULES in C12 .... =C9*2 [* Kinetic energy doubled for rim type*]

OUTPUT - Inertia (kg*mA squared) in C13 .... =C10*2 [* Inertia doubled for rim type*]

OUTPUT - JOULES converted to Torque in G9 .... =C9*0.7376 [~ Joules x 0.7376 = Torque foot pounds ~]
Torque and energy are independent properties.  You may be confusing lb. ft. and ft. lbs.  A foot pound is a unit of work described as:  One pound of force applied through one foot distance.  A pound foot is a unit of torque expressed as one pound of force applied tangentially at a distance from the pivot of one foot.
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OUTPUT - DEVELOPED Horsepower per second is displayed in J9 .... =A8*G9/5252/550 [~ RPM x Torque ft.lbs.
/ 5252 / 550 ~]
HP/s are completely non-sensical units of energy per second per second.
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The table below the calculator simply shows the effect of Velocity on Joules of ENERGY developed, and also displays its conversion to Torque/Horsepower

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Misc. notes;
Flywheel Energy Calculator
Input US
dataform,m,d,rpm,units and convert to metric

mass = (m / 16) / 2.204 [* ounces to kilograms *]

radius = (d/2) * 2.54 / 100 [* inches to meters *]

Input Metric dataform

mass = m / 1000 [* grams to kilograms *]
radius = d/2 / 1000 [* mm to meters *]

Vsurface = (rpm/60) * 3.142 * 2 * radius

V = (rpm/60) * 2 * 3.142 [* convert RPM to radians per second *]

Inertia = .5 * mass * (radius * radius) [* Moment of inertia for disk *]

KE = 0.5 * Inertia * (V * V) [* Kinetic energy for disk *]

cforce = ( 4 * (3.142 * 3.142) * mass * radius) / ((1/(rpm/60)) * ((1/(rpm/60))))

cforce_pounds = 0.2248 * cforce

ke_disk.value = KE
ke_ring.value = KE * 2

cforce.value = cforce
cforce_kg.value = cforce *
0.1019716;
surface_speed.value =
Vsurface;
inertia_disk.value = Inertia;
inertia_ring.value = Inertia * 2;

Metric (grams, mm) ="units"
English (ounces, inches)="units"
Diameter
input name="d"

Centrifugal Force (Newtons)
="cforce"
RPM ="rpm"
Surface Speed
(M/sec)

This is a simple spreadsheet energy calculator for flywheels extracted from more complex ones I wrote for myself as a design tool to save me hours of number crunching with each and every little design change made trying to optimize systems - BEFORE wasting time and material BUILDING the wrong ones.

It computes kinetic energy values for ideal disk or ring flywheel configurations.

Most real flywheels will fall somewhere in between due to the hub and spokes. - At G14 is an "averaged" ft. lbs. (lingering from other works)

Flywheel mass and diameter can be specified in Metric (grams/millimeters) or English units (ounces/inches) with minor changes.

ENERGY Output is Metric only.

Set for US "English" input by default, simply enter diameter, width and rpm values the rest is automatic.

P.S.:
"Foot-pound" is sometimes also used as a unit of torque (see Pound-foot (torque)).

In the United States this unit is often used to specify, for example, the tightness of a bolt or the output of an
engine. Although they are dimensionally equivalent, energy (a scalar), and torque (a vector) are distinct physical
quantities.

Both energy and torque can be expressed as a product of a force vector with a displacement vector (hence
pounds and feet); energy is the scalar product of the two, and torque is the vector product.

Conversion to other units

Energy units

1 foot-pound is equivalent to:

1.3558179483314 joules

13558179.483314 ergs

0.001285067 British thermal units

0.323832 gram calories

0.000323832 kilogram calories

Power units

1 watt ≈ 44.25372896 ft·lbf/min = 0.737562149333 ft·lbf/sec

1 horsepower (mechanical) = 33,000 ft·lbf/min = 550 ft·lbf/s
Garbage In => Garbage Out

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Re: Flywheel devices
« Reply #66 on: March 06, 2015, 11:37:39 PM »
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Re: Flywheel devices
« Reply #67 on: March 07, 2015, 01:27:45 AM »
I wish to thank all the participants in showing temporal your support for his work.

I will now ask you to remain on the original topic.

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Re: Flywheel devices
« Reply #68 on: March 07, 2015, 02:19:36 AM »
powering your house/business with your contraptions yet?

Portions.

"Truth requires few words."

Good day


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Re: Flywheel devices
« Reply #69 on: March 07, 2015, 02:47:26 AM »
"Truth requires few words." That's why your posts and website are packed with words...

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Re: Flywheel devices
« Reply #70 on: March 07, 2015, 04:28:30 AM »
Following the link leads to this post by you:
Pounds are weight, not mass.  The English unit for mass is the slug.Torque and energy are independent properties.  You may be confusing lb. ft. and ft. lbs.  A foot pound is a unit of work described as:  One pound of force applied through one foot distance.  A pound foot is a unit of torque expressed as one pound of force applied tangentially at a distance from the pivot of one foot.HP/s are completely non-sensical units of energy per second per second.
Garbage In => Garbage Out

Hello again,
Thanks for posting all you have, just so you "know" I enjoyed reading the PRB site. Nice find! Even had some real "nuggets of truth".

"Pounds are weight, not mass.  The English unit for mass is the slug." = OK so what? I know that as well. Big deal. The calculator was written for me, not for you. It is my unlocked OPEN SOURCE work given as a gift. - If you wish to use "Slugs" change it to suit yourself to whatever your mind works best with.

"Torque and energy are independent properties." = OK so what? I know that as well. Big deal. Evidenced by the fact the calculator displays them separately, and uses the outputs in the proper place correctly.

"You may be confusing lb. ft. and ft. lbs.  A foot pound is a unit of work described as:  One pound of force applied through one foot distance.  A pound foot is a unit of torque expressed as one pound of force applied tangentially at a distance from the pivot of one foot." = OK so what? I know that as well. Big deal. I won't pick on you for not being certain where you have written "You may be" which shows you DO NOT KNOW, therefore I WILL WAIT FOR YOU TO CATCH UP. But please be quick and by all means take the time to read what is explained very clearly regarding this exact matter in my work you have copied and pasted for discussion.
Me, myself, and I: "we" are all certain, beyond any doubt thus not "confused" the calculations are quite "write". (humor intended)

"HP/s are completely non-sensical units of energy per second per second." = A twist from your mind/hand. My writing "Horsepower per second" does not mean what you and others attempt to claim: HP/s. Therefore I agree, your twist: HP/s is non-sense, and it originates in your mind/hand, NOT MINE!

You are CON-fusing POWER (Horsepower) with ENERGY. - I am not.

As for "Garbage In => Garbage Out"

You can surely write or say whatever you please but none of it will change the truth of the mathematics. That is a fact you nor I can get around in reality.



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« Reply #71 on: March 07, 2015, 04:58:17 AM »
"Truth requires few words." That's why your posts and website are packed with words...

Let's see you do better.

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Re: Flywheel devices
« Reply #72 on: March 07, 2015, 05:07:18 AM »
I wish to thank all the participants in showing temporal your support for his work.

I will now ask you to remain on the original topic.

You still can:
"Excuse yourself and I will leave you as I found you: in the dark."

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Re: Flywheel devices
« Reply #73 on: March 07, 2015, 06:10:31 AM »
Hello again,
Thanks for posting all you have, just so you "know" I enjoyed reading the PRB site. Nice find! Even had some real "nuggets of truth".

"Pounds are weight, not mass.  The English unit for mass is the slug." = OK so what? I know that as well. Big deal.
Yet you erroneously treated weight as mass.  If you knew the difference, then why did you do that?
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The calculator was written for me, not for you. It is my unlocked OPEN SOURCE work given as a gift. - If you wish to use "Slugs" change it to suit yourself to whatever your mind works best with.
Do you mean if I want to fix your mistakes I should do that?  But then what?  Do we stick with your erroneous postulates based on your erroneous formulae?
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"Torque and energy are independent properties." = OK so what? I know that as well. Big deal. Evidenced by the fact the calculator displays them separately, and uses the outputs in the proper place correctly.
Again, if you knew then why did you offer the false equivalencies?  Are you saying that you have deliberately misrepresented very simple physics?
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"You may be confusing lb. ft. and ft. lbs.  A foot pound is a unit of work described as:  One pound of force applied through one foot distance.  A pound foot is a unit of torque expressed as one pound of force applied tangentially at a distance from the pivot of one foot." = OK so what? I know that as well. Big deal. I won't pick on you for not being certain where you have written "You may be" which shows you DO NOT KNOW, therefore I WILL WAIT FOR YOU TO CATCH UP. But please be quick and by all means take the time to read what is explained very clearly regarding this exact matter in my work you have copied and pasted for discussion.
Me, myself, and I: "we" are all certain, beyond any doubt thus not "confused" the calculations are quite "write". (humor intended)
Your humor may be inteded but your formulae are junk.
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"HP/s are completely non-sensical units of energy per second per second." = A twist from your mind/hand. My writing "Horsepower per second" does not mean what you and others attempt to claim: HP/s. Therefore I agree, your twist: HP/s is non-sense, and it originates in your mind/hand, NOT MINE!
Yet it is your concoction.
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You are CON-fusing POWER (Horsepower) with ENERGY. - I am not.

As for "Garbage In => Garbage Out"

You can surely write or say whatever you please but none of it will change the truth of the mathematics. That is a fact you nor I can get around in reality.
You asserted a series of incorrect fomulae.  Now you claim they generate valid results.  That is pure delusion.

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Re: Flywheel devices
« Reply #74 on: March 07, 2015, 12:07:05 PM »
Yet you erroneously treated weight as mass.  If you knew the difference, then why did you do that?Do you mean if I want to fix your mistakes I should do that?  But then what?  Do we stick with your erroneous postulates based on your erroneous formulae?Again, if you knew then why did you offer the false equivalencies?  Are you saying that you have deliberately misrepresented very simple physics?Your humor may be inteded but your formulae are junk.Yet it is your concoction.You asserted a series of incorrect fomulae.  Now you claim they generate valid results.  That is pure delusion.

"Yet you erroneously treated weight as mass. " = Another invalid assertion by you.

The calculator is written to "calculate", and does so. The mass is "CALCULATED" FROM DIAMETER, WIDTH, thus VOLUME, by, along with the objects DENSITY and shows the output in units the real world Man can relate to. Quite correctly.

Evidenced in my writing: "OUTPUT - Mass (weight pounds) displayed in A7 .... =SUM(C6)*0.28333333 [~ Cubic inches x density lb/in^3 ~]"

That single point (evidences your invalid assertion) all by itself refutes and renders the rest of your assertions, and questions entirely baseless.

To help you CATCH UP I suggest you re-read my work before injecting your CON-fused commentary. Also you may find this: http://serc.carleton.edu/mathyouneed/density/index.html instructive.

"You can surely write or say whatever you please but none of it will change the truth of the mathematics. That is a fact you nor I can get around in reality. "

 

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