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Author Topic: Gravity Assisted magnetic motor (GAMM)  (Read 14137 times)

Offline Dingus Mungus

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Gravity Assisted magnetic motor (GAMM)
« on: September 26, 2006, 09:50:49 PM »
Things to understand about the designs requirements:
The attractive force at 0? (horizontal) must be great enough to drag the nonmagnetic weights to full extention but not strong enough to prevent the weights from falling with gravity. The repulsive force at (+/-)180? must be able to push the nonmagnetic weights to full retraction. The Atractive force at -45? must be able to negate some of the nonmagnetic weights mass but not pull it to full extention. The repulsive force at 135? must be able to negate some of the nonmagnetic weights mass but not push it to full retraction.

I believe this motor would have a extremely low RPM and would produce high touque based on the amount of weights and their slide distances. Thanks for reading and viewing, any thoughts or comments would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Gravity Assisted magnetic motor (GAMM)
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2006, 11:52:53 PM »
Hmmmmmm


Interesting idea.

Nice picture dude! 8)


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Re: Gravity Assisted magnetic motor (GAMM)
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2006, 04:26:55 AM »
   Hello Dingus Mingus
  What a great job on your animation, I am new here and have posted a few of my ideas. I have been working with a very similar design and believe that if the wheel will turn it will accelerated and centrifugal force will be a major player in the design. If that is the case than your magnets on the return or up side side will need to cover 180 degrees to hold the weights in against centrifugal force. Also my thought was to repell the weights on the down side from the inside of the wheel to negate the natural attraction of the magnets.
   Please understand that I am not at the caliber of the greater minds on this forum. (That was the grain of salt disclaimer ;D.)
    Thanks
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Re: Gravity Assisted magnetic motor (GAMM)
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Offline FreeEnergy

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Re: Gravity Assisted magnetic motor (GAMM)
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2006, 09:47:31 AM »
i could be wrong but i think you have the timing wrong for the push/pull for the magnet.

also i think if you mix your idea with this idea( http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1527.0;attach=1968;image ) we will see magic ;)

nice work.

peace

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Re: Gravity Assisted magnetic motor (GAMM)
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2006, 04:52:33 PM »
i could be wrong but i think you have the timing wrong for the push/pull for the magnet.

also i think if you mix your idea with this idea( http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1527.0;attach=1968;image ) we will see magic ;)

nice work.

peace

It is totally possible that the timing to this animation is way off, but it is just for show. I don't believe any of my animated devices will just start running on there own if built to scale from the animation. The pictures are just to show concepts of machines that "borrow" energy. Glad you liked the concept and may have even found a way to make it run more efficiently. Thanks again to all who took the time to read and understand the idea, with enough of us looking the answer can not hide....

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Re: Gravity Assisted magnetic motor (GAMM)
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2006, 11:03:49 PM »
Interesting...

I have really no idea what this thing should do in reality... really.
One part of my mind say, Yes it can work anyway. But at the same time the other part say: No, no way...

But I totally agree with you in this thing:
I believe this motor would have a extremely low RPM...

Cheers,
Greg

Offline Dingus Mungus

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Re: Gravity Assisted magnetic motor (GAMM)
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2006, 02:54:21 AM »
Interesting...

I have really no idea what this thing should do in reality... really.
One part of my mind say, Yes it can work anyway. But at the same time the other part say: No, no way...

But I totally agree with you in this thing:
I believe this motor would have a extremely low RPM...

Cheers,
Greg

You speak for us both...

My mind is also in a state of indecision on this concept.. The only way to know for sure though is to test it, and I have a industial engineer friend who is interested in taking on the project. I will keep the group updated when we begin single arm design and testing.

Always remember RPM's mean nothing without tourque...
but high tourque at low RPM's can produce useful work.
« Last Edit: September 29, 2006, 03:24:19 AM by Dingus Mungus »

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Offline Gregory

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Re: Gravity Assisted magnetic motor (GAMM)
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2006, 02:20:34 PM »
Quote
Always remember RPM's mean nothing without tourque...
but high tourque at low RPM's can produce useful work.

Yeah, we agree again. ;) I also know, that torque is much more important than rpm. Without torque rpm is only an illusion.

Good luck for designing and engineering with your friend!

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Re: Gravity Assisted magnetic motor (GAMM)
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2006, 01:08:12 AM »
Hi Dingus,
I had very similar intuition some years ago, I constructed it ... but doesn't work.
If you decide to engineering this you can make some modifications before (I'm sure you've already considered that ... but).
For example: it's better to substitute the alluminum with plastic, teflon or fiberglass (alluminum or any other conductive material, makes eddy currents when magnets slides over it ... and make the magnet very very slow).
Consider also that when a rotor magnet pass in the bottom, when there's a stator magnet in repulsion, it's very close and generate a counter-torque. The relative positive torque of the rotor magnet when approaching a upper rotor magnet in attraction is very weak because of the relative major distance (remember the magnetic force is inverse by the distance^3). This is a big problem.
If you make calculus the thing don't work as is. If you construct as is ... the thing don't work. You must find a way for make it work.

I assure I fail, but if you find the way to resolve te problem, maybe you can achieve the task.

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Re: Gravity Assisted magnetic motor (GAMM)
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2006, 03:38:14 AM »
Also, at 90 degree mark - where the stator magnet and the rotor magnet are at their closest - it would take energy to pull out of that 'spot' to continue the cycle.
Interesting idea, but seems like a 0 net force system.

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Re: Gravity Assisted magnetic motor (GAMM)
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2006, 02:36:58 AM »
Also, at 90 degree mark - where the stator magnet and the rotor magnet are at their closest - it would take energy to pull out of that 'spot' to continue the cycle.
Interesting idea, but seems like a 0 net force system.

You would have to read the concept discription above the picture for a full understanding of the concept, but as I stated, The non-magnetic wieghts must be heavy enough to pull the armature magnet away from the stick zone. With that in mind, the wheels cog point should be at the point that there are four arms down and four arms up. When the wheel is in that state my hope is a minor anount of momentum (2-10 RPM) combined with the attraction @ 90 degrees should allow this device to transfer a massive ammount of tourqe per 1/8th cycle. Altho this is all just a concept, so any input is equally as viable, but like I said, the whole concept is based arround the requirements stipulated in the prediscription above the picture... A friend was making several simulations in solidworks while I worked in FEMM. We have both found some interesting configurations, but are now thinking that even if the device is feasible, it wouldn't be practical as a source of energy. My interests are now directed at a pendulum adaptation of torbays work or the use of a minato wheel combined with electromagnetic and mechanical stators.

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Re: Gravity Assisted magnetic motor (GAMM)
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2006, 02:36:58 AM »
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