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Author Topic: Thin Magnetic Ramp experiment  (Read 36600 times)

Floor

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Thin Magnetic Ramp experiment
« on: January 31, 2015, 04:32:01 PM »
Based upon an obvious / old idea ?

I had this idea some time ago when I first read that Vgate
arrangements could draw a sphere up an incline.

I always expected that some one else would or must have
already tried this experiment ?  I thought it was going to
be just a matter of time before we would see some kind of
a magnetic ramp doing cyclical work.

I didn't want to be stepping on someones else's project or idea
so I have left it alone until now.

Attached below are several PDF files,  they show a progression
of the project / idea.  The Ball and ramp 7b.PDF is the latest
explanation of the experiments progression.  The other files
may add some clarity as to how the experiment has been
evolving.

ITS LOOKING GOOD AT THIS POINT !

                      cheers
                             floor

Floor

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Re: Thin Magnetic Ramp experiment
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2015, 04:43:05 PM »
Notes / progress report

floor

Floor

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Re: Thin Magnetic Ramp experiment
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2015, 04:45:40 PM »
A previous version

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Floor

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Re: Thin Magnetic Ramp experiment
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2015, 04:48:13 PM »
Two earlier versions

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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Thin Magnetic Ramp experiment
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2015, 07:02:42 PM »
Well, you are right about one thing: The experiment has been tried before. Several times.   ;)

Starting with the first published version in 1659, the Taisnierus' device, which is the magnet ramp and ball reduced to the simplest parts.

Floor

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Re: Thin Magnetic Ramp experiment
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2015, 08:30:43 PM »
@TinselKoala

Quote from TK "Taisnierus' device, which is the magnet ramp and ball reduced to the simplest parts."

"the magnet ramp and ball"

Sure there is a magnet, a ramp, and a ball,  but no cylinder, and it's not the same concept.

I'm doubting that you actually even studied and or understood what I posted before you dismissed it.

Honestly, have you?

The "Taisnierus"  device is related but hardly relevant.

Please don't try to argue it's relevance, just say oops sorry and let's move on.

                         best wishes
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Offline dieter

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Re: Thin Magnetic Ramp experiment
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2015, 08:35:23 PM »
There was also this crackpot idea about "flying vehicles". Ever since the foolish ideas of a "Leonardo Da Vinci", men tried to "fly" for centuries, many have tried, but after several hundred years of failure, mankind eventually gave up. Thank god, otherwise we'd have "flying vehicles" all over.


However, Floor, one thing is for sure: it's not an easy thing to construct.


BR


Offline MarkE

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Re: Thin Magnetic Ramp experiment
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2015, 11:13:57 PM »
There was also this crackpot idea about "flying vehicles". Ever since the foolish ideas of a "Leonardo Da Vinci", men tried to "fly" for centuries, many have tried, but after several hundred years of failure, mankind eventually gave up. Thank god, otherwise we'd have "flying vehicles" all over.


However, Floor, one thing is for sure: it's not an easy thing to construct.


BR
I heard about that.  It had something to do with the imaginary sightings of these mythical heavier than air animals that would allegedly take flight.  Obviously there were no such animals. So obviously HTA was impossible.  So obviously no one ever worked on HTA flight.

Offline MarkE

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Re: Thin Magnetic Ramp experiment
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2015, 11:15:36 PM »
@TinselKoala

Quote from TK "Taisnierus' device, which is the magnet ramp and ball reduced to the simplest parts."

"the magnet ramp and ball"

Sure there is a magnet, a ramp, and a ball,  but no cylinder, and it's not the same concept.

I'm doubting that you actually even studied and or understood what I posted before you dismissed it.

Honestly, have you?

The "Taisnierus"  device is related but hardly relevant.

Please don't try to argue it's relevance, just say oops sorry and let's move on.

                         best wishes
                                   floor
When you manage that minor detail of returning the ball to its starting position without expending external energy, do let us know.

Offline Pirate88179

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Re: Thin Magnetic Ramp experiment
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2015, 01:16:28 AM »
When you manage that minor detail of returning the ball to its starting position without expending external energy, do let us know.

Aww come on Mark...we have to count external energy?  (Mr. Hand)  That will make it even harder to do then.

Bill

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Thin Magnetic Ramp experiment
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2015, 02:17:42 AM »
@TinselKoala

Quote from TK "Taisnierus' device, which is the magnet ramp and ball reduced to the simplest parts."

"the magnet ramp and ball"

Sure there is a magnet, a ramp, and a ball,  but no cylinder, and it's not the same concept.

I'm doubting that you actually even studied and or understood what I posted before you dismissed it.

Honestly, have you?

The "Taisnierus"  device is related but hardly relevant.

Please don't try to argue it's relevance, just say oops sorry and let's move on.

                         best wishes
                                   floor

It is certainly related and certainly relevant, and the same principles are at play: The moving part (in any geometry) is supposed to be pulled up a ramp by magnets, located wherever. The device fails _as you have noted yourself_ because the moving part can't make it past the potential well in order to fall back down and around to the entrance of the ramp or to another ramp. This is the basic SMOT design which has been discussed in thread after thread here and in many other places in all its variants. Elecar claimed to have solved the problem but of course did not, and he even resorted to making a FAKE video showing a looping system that didn't actually work.  You are the one who needs to say "oops" and move on, because it's pretty clear that you haven't done your homework on this one. There is no arrangement of magnets, ramps, moving objects that will do what you want it to do, which is to self-loop or reset itself without input of external energy. None! And thousands upon thousands of experiments by many many people ever since Taisnierus have tried to make it work and have not been able to do so.

And of course I "studied" and understood your documents, which show a simple SMOT that has been constructed in various forms for many years. There is even a WIKI page on the original "SMOT" which wasn't even original when Greg Watson "invented" it in 1985.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Magnetic_Overunity_Toy



Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Thin Magnetic Ramp experiment
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2015, 02:19:49 AM »
There was also this crackpot idea about "flying vehicles". Ever since the foolish ideas of a "Leonardo Da Vinci", men tried to "fly" for centuries, many have tried, but after several hundred years of failure, mankind eventually gave up. Thank god, otherwise we'd have "flying vehicles" all over.


However, Floor, one thing is for sure: it's not an easy thing to construct.


BR

Birds, Dieter. Birds were heavier-than-air and were flying around long before Leonardo. Your "crackpot idea" is a strawman and a false analogy.

Where is the example from nature of anything like a SMOT? Nowhere, that's where.

Floor

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Re: Thin Magnetic Ramp experiment
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2015, 03:15:46 PM »
Quote from TK -- “And thousands upon thousands of experiments by
many many people ever since Taisnierus have tried to make it work and
have not been able to do so. “

It's good to make this clear I think.

Quote from MarkE “When you manage that minor detail of returning the
ball to its starting position without expending external energy, do let us know.”

I'll let you know for sure.
Whatever results may come from the experiments they will be clearly and
honestly posted here.

Floor

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Re: Thin Magnetic Ramp experiment
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2015, 03:52:09 PM »
Mag Ramp 7b     Notes amended and re posted.
« Last Edit: February 12, 2022, 03:12:38 PM by Floor »

Floor

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Re: Thin Magnetic Ramp experiment
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2015, 04:47:20 PM »
@Pirate88179

Correctamundo

Convention says that with out the help of mister hand
and even if I could negate friction, Iwill find that the cylinder
either gets stuck on a magnet or stuck at the bottom of a ramp.
           
                     cheers
                         floor