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Title: Electric Car Generates 680,000 WATTS!!!
Post by: FatBird on January 28, 2015, 02:39:09 PM
http://aetherforce.com/electric-car-powered-by-salt-water-920-hp-373-milestank/ (http://aetherforce.com/electric-car-powered-by-salt-water-920-hp-373-milestank/)

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Title: Re: Electric Car Generates 680,000 WATTS!!!
Post by: Paul-R on January 28, 2015, 04:03:10 PM
Not that, again.

Its got a funny battery - electrolyte flow -
Title: Re: Electric Car Generates 680,000 WATTS!!!
Post by: FatBird on January 29, 2015, 12:32:08 AM
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Title: Re: Electric Car Generates 680,000 WATTS!!!
Post by: MileHigh on January 29, 2015, 01:05:01 AM
I hate reading headlines that are just pure foolishness, like it "runs on salt water" or "Electric Car Generates 680,000 WATTS!!!"   The bloody car doesn't "generate" anything.  It just has a novel type of battery that provides power.

Are we so stupid these days that we can't distinguish between "provide" and "generate?"

Are we so stupid these days that we can't distinguish between salt water and what chemicals are dissolved in the salt water?

What a BS web site to twist the meaning of the truth like that.

Instead of doing the Googling, I just read the comments.

Here is the bloody answer courtesy of Carl Kemp:

<<< Why don't we try a little honesty here for a change, hmmm? First, it wasn't oil cartels that ruined Tesla. It was the combination of a disaster in his showcase lab, plus the constant undercutting of his work by his old boss, Thomas Edison and his company, General Electric. Next, the power is NOT provided by the salt water, but by chemical changes in the metals or metallic salts placed in the water. Long story short: whatever you use to create the current will change chemically, and it will take more energy to undo that change than you got out of it. So it does not run on sea water. It runs on the metals (which have to be refined) that you have to put into the sea water.This is not the free lunch they make it out to be.  >>>

FatBird - WAKE UP.
Title: Re: Electric Car Generates 680,000 WATTS!!!
Post by: ramset on January 29, 2015, 01:11:48 AM
running a 920 HP motor ,I didn't read anything but the above posts here.


from my perspective ANYTHING that can feed a 920 hp ELECTRIC PONY needs a bit more attention ,especially if its cleared for use on public roads .


Thanks to the Portly Pigeon for this one....


Chet
Title: Re: Electric Car Generates 680,000 WATTS!!!
Post by: MileHigh on January 29, 2015, 01:30:48 AM
Chet:

The 920 HP may be a fake-out, I am not sure.   Some possibilities:

1.  This type of salt-water battery really does have the capability to output 920 HP.

2.  The battery can't output 920 HP but the car has a big capacitor bank to support short bursts of acceleration and it's the cap bank that can output 920 HP for a short period of time,

3.  Even though the battery and/or cap bank can output 920 HP, the electric drive motors are not capable of outputting 920 HP.

I an going to assume that #3 is true, so the the whole dang dumb article is brain mush.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Electric Car Generates 680,000 WATTS!!!
Post by: ramset on January 29, 2015, 02:50:11 AM
OOHH
I missed this part [was too bizzy drooling over the Whip]
the Germans....,quite frankly, Now I want one !!!   :o
these folks take more pride in what they do, as well as being honest about claims and doing it right !!
Title: Re: Electric Car Generates 680,000 WATTS!!!
Post by: Magluvin on January 29, 2015, 03:03:33 AM
Salt Water Flow Cell Car Gets European Approval
Read more: http://www.intelligentliving.co/salt-water-powered-car-gets-european-approval/#ixzz3QAg2PC82 (http://www.intelligentliving.co/salt-water-powered-car-gets-european-approval/#ixzz3QAg2PC82)



Generating power from salty water: Unique salt allows energy production to move inland

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/03/120301143731.htm




4M Salt Water Powered Robot Kit

http://www.amazon.com/4M-Salt-Water-Powered-Robot/dp/B00AV8XBGG



LED lantern runs on saltwater

http://www.gizmag.com/saltwater-lantern/24018/

DIY Salt Water Powered Toy Car Set White

http://www.amazon.com/DIY-Salt-Water-Powered-White/dp/B007U9AMQG

Salt Water Powered Car Gets The Go-Ahead In Europe.

Read more at http://higherperspective.com/2014/09/salt-water-powered-car.html#5M2s1DHD61fCA5JP.99

Mags
Title: Re: Electric Car Generates 680,000 WATTS!!!
Post by: MileHigh on January 29, 2015, 03:04:50 AM
Chet, it's not the car itself, that's probably perfectly legit.  It's the article itself that is bullshit.  And that's an issue unto itself.
Title: Re: Electric Car Generates 680,000 WATTS!!!
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 29, 2015, 03:27:03 AM
MH:

Back in my Dad's machine shop, we had a Blanchard grinder that utilized a 100 hp motor.  The motor alone was like 4 ft. tall and almost 3 ft. in diameter.  Even though we had all of the amps the electric company would provide at that time, all of the lights in the place would dim as that motor started up under no load, except start-up.

I am sure motor efficiency has improved since those days but...900 hp?  I really, really doubt that.  I used to own a 500 HP car that weighed 3,500 pounds and it was lightning fast. 

If this electric vehicle used carbon fiber like the Tesla, and it was very light, 900 HP would be useless anyway.  The wheels would simply spin and spin.  I sense a lot of exaggeration here.

Bill
Title: Re: Electric Car Generates 680,000 WATTS!!!
Post by: MileHigh on January 29, 2015, 03:46:28 AM
Bill:

It was probably a "dumb" motor from the "old days."  A big motor like that is almost a short circuit when it starts up.  Hence starting a long time ago (I think in the 1970s) they had MOSFET-based motor controllers that would chop the voltage feed to the motor at start-up to slowly ease it up to operational speed without causing a local brown-out.

I would assume a 900-horsepower modern motor that does not run at an insanely high speed would still be a big heavy beast, much too big for a car.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Electric Car Generates 680,000 WATTS!!!
Post by: ramset on January 29, 2015, 03:52:23 AM
Bill
there's no part of 900 HP thats useless  :o


give it to me I'll use every pony...
to hit 217 MPH you would most definitely need that much HP ..like I said the Germans don't mess around.
@MH
regardless of the advertisement ,
 very intriguing use of outa the box thinking and yes you were right the super caps store for on demand needs.
@Mags sure the Boyz at your place would be droolin over this one...I bet it has a motor on every wheel??
  remember that Mini Cooper with the motor on every wheel....wooosh
Zero to a heart attack in 3 seconds :o  nothing launches like electric .


Chet
Title: Re: Electric Car Generates 680,000 WATTS!!!
Post by: orbut 3000 on January 29, 2015, 03:57:18 AM
Nunzio La Vecchia is the person behind this.

This (http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/28239-NanoFlowcell-Quant/page3) thread has some interesting info.
Title: Re: Electric Car Generates 680,000 WATTS!!!
Post by: ramset on January 29, 2015, 04:09:49 AM
HHMMM
looks Like MH was quite accurate on this one ..?
super scammer extraordinaire goes fishin again...


But notice MH how the Swiss courts told the "professional investors" to put their big Boy pants on and suck up the lose in this guys first scam,they should have done due diligence .


I could not agree more.
and BTW I'll be callin Mr.Potter manana  :o  [will let you know]


Chet
Title: Re: Electric Car Generates 680,000 WATTS!!!
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 29, 2015, 04:16:06 AM
Bill
there's no part of 900 HP thats useless  :o


give it to me I'll use every pony...
to hit 217 MPH you would most definitely need that much HP ..like I said the Germans don't mess around.
@MH
regardless of the advertisement ,
 very intriguing use of outa the box thinking and yes you were right the super caps store for on demand needs.
@Mags sure the Boyz at your place would be droolin over this one...I bet it has a motor on every wheel??
  remember that Mini Cooper with the motor on every wheel....wooosh
Zero to a heart attack in 3 seconds :o  nothing launches like electric .


Chet

So are you saying that Burt Munro's 1920 Indian had 920 hp then?  He was able to go 205.67 mph using under 1,000 cc's. (1967)

I am just saying this is a lot (if it is true ) of unusable hp for a car like that.  To draw that much power, the wires to the motor would have to be as thick as your arm.

Bill
Title: Re: Electric Car Generates 680,000 WATTS!!!
Post by: MileHigh on January 29, 2015, 05:16:29 AM
Chet:

I didn't do any follow-up at all on this.  I don't follow the electric car industry.  I was just taking issue with the way that junk web site pitched the concept.

Kudos to Orbut 3000 on posting the link.  I read a bit and that looks legit.

So my point about the Aetherforce.com web site being pure junk is confirmed as far as I am concerned.  Whatever happened to due diligence?

Sexy slick video... I bet you he got some fringe benefits from some of the models.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Electric Car Generates 680,000 WATTS!!!
Post by: allcanadian on January 29, 2015, 05:33:01 AM
I see no problem with it as 200-300 hp wheel motors are easily available and in fact I saw a 800 hp Austin mini advertised. So 920 hp is definitely not an issue in any way and all automakers base there hp claims on peak horsepower so this is by no means extraordinary. As for Energy storage, if they use a capacitor bank which is charged by the salt water battery setup then again 920 hp is not an issue... how long it can generate 920 hp is the issue. It should also be noted many of these new motors are running at over 600v so very large conductors as big as your arm are not needed. Power = Volts x amps....do the math.


I find it odd that anyone would be critical of this because it is exactly the same advertising hokus pokus every automaker on the planet uses. However I believe some people are just biased in their views concerning electric cars.


AC
Title: Re: Electric Car Generates 680,000 WATTS!!!
Post by: Magluvin on January 29, 2015, 06:47:36 AM
So are you saying that Burt Munro's 1920 Indian had 920 hp then?  He was able to go 205.67 mph using under 1,000 cc's. (1967)

I am just saying this is a lot (if it is true ) of unusable hp for a car like that.  To draw that much power, the wires to the motor would have to be as thick as your arm.

Bill


naturally 900hp would get the vehicle to those speeds much much sooner. ;)

M buddies shop built a porsche with 1500hp, 1300hp at the wheels.  Hasnt been to the track yet.

Mags
Title: Re: Electric Car Generates 680,000 WATTS!!!
Post by: Paul-R on January 29, 2015, 02:33:00 PM


1.  This type of salt-water battery really does have the capability to output 920 HP.

2.  The battery can't output 920 HP but the car has a big capacitor bank to support short bursts of acceleration and it's the cap bank that can output 920 HP for a short period of time,


Maybe we should forget about this daft car that looks as though it was half inched from the set of Star Trek and concentrate on the battery.

To this end, I have just started a new thread here:

http://overunity.com/15469/electrolyte-flow-cell-a-big-step-forward/msg435629/#new

Hopefully, see you there.
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Title: Re: Electric Car Generates 680,000 WATTS!!!
Post by: ramset on January 29, 2015, 05:24:20 PM
MH
I have every intention of reporting ,Just wondering about "E" ??
Title: Re: Electric Car Generates 680,000 WATTS!!!
Post by: TinselKoala on January 29, 2015, 07:11:46 PM
MH
I have every intention of reporting ,Just wondering about "E" ??

"E"? Can you please explain what you mean?

900 hp translated into electrical power will indeed require some pretty heavy conductors, connectors, switching electronics and so forth. My take on this is "NBL"... not bloody likely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUpofVOhf4Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUpofVOhf4Q)
Title: Re: Electric Car Generates 680,000 WATTS!!!
Post by: MileHigh on January 29, 2015, 07:32:05 PM
I am pretty sure he means MarkE.  Perhaps he is just busy.
Title: Re: Electric Car Generates 680,000 WATTS!!!
Post by: lancaIV on January 30, 2015, 02:14:15 AM
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?II=3&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20100624&CC=US&NR=2010156221A1&KC=A1 (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?II=3&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20100624&CC=US&NR=2010156221A1&KC=A1)
as 4wheel-drive ::)
not heavy,4 X 20 pounds(453 Gr.) ;)