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Title: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: FatBird on January 25, 2015, 02:32:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afQW8FT02DM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afQW8FT02DM)

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Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: tinman on January 25, 2015, 03:06:10 PM
Wait for it ;)
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: minnie on January 25, 2015, 03:17:56 PM



  When you have two entities it could be one, the other or both,
                John.
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: tinman on January 25, 2015, 03:33:03 PM
It is interesting that one pole causes the plasma to curl in one direction,and the opposite pole causes the plasma to curl in the opposite direction.
I wonder what would happen if you place two magnets side by side with opposite polarities against the side of the glass :D

darn-there is that figure 8 again.
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: TinselKoala on January 25, 2015, 07:13:24 PM
The demonstration shows that charged particles making up the current-carrying plasma follow curved paths in a magnetic field. It does NOT provide "PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field"; the title of this thread is Yet Another misrepresentation by someone who seems to delight in misrepresenting the work of others.

http://cnx.org/contents/a66a7a2a-4d91-4887-8c5f-3757971a23b5@2/Force_on_a_Moving_Charge_in_a_
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: TinselKoala on January 25, 2015, 07:16:16 PM
It is interesting that one pole causes the plasma to curl in one direction,and the opposite pole causes the plasma to curl in the opposite direction.
I wonder what would happen if you place two magnets side by side with opposite polarities against the side of the glass :D

darn-there is that figure 8 again.

Rather a different figure 8 than the other times you have mentioned it, though.
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: ted.shield on January 25, 2015, 07:49:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXifaqdbLhs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXifaqdbLhs)
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: MileHigh on January 25, 2015, 07:58:33 PM
Wait for it ;)

Tinman:

So by your comment above I am assuming that you are saying, "Wait for the know-it-alls to come and shoot this down."   The problem is why aren't YOU shooting this down?

When you look at what is being discussed here, we are back to this issue:  Do you understand the most basic basic fundamentals about electricity and magnetism?   (This is a generic "you") Because clearly if you don't understand them, then you are handicapped and simply can't function properly when it comes to electronics.   It makes me think of that EEVblog clip about a Joule Thief design.  The guy who made the clip being analysed stated that he had been researching this stuff for 16 years.  Yet that very same guy was so stupid that he claimed that a wire going through the centers of five ferrite toroids was not an inductor.  He made many other basic mistakes and it makes you wonder what in the hell this guy has been doing for 16 years.  So the guy claiming free energy that has been studying for "16 years" gets sliced to pieces by the EEVblog guy and also in the EEVblog thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoqF3gjLIyI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoqF3gjLIyI)

FatBird is in the same boat here.  Failure to think.  If you (generic) don't know that a charged particle moving in a magnetic field will trace out a circular path, and you have been on a forum that talks about electronics for years, then your ignorance becomes stupidity.

Here, let's have a bozo-busting mini-marathon about this subject:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdh2srqH57M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdh2srqH57M)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w41Zijsv46o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w41Zijsv46o)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcVzfTAK8fk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcVzfTAK8fk)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG2aQUD8xt0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG2aQUD8xt0)

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It is interesting that one pole causes the plasma to curl in one direction,and the opposite pole causes the plasma to curl in the opposite direction.
I wonder what would happen if you place two magnets side by side with opposite polarities against the side of the glass (http://overunity.com/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)

darn-there is that figure 8 again.

One more time, you are failing to describe what you are talking about with sufficient information.  Who the hell really knows what, "place two magnets side by side with opposite polarities against the side of the glass" means except you.  There are all sorts of orientations that will satisfy your incomplete description.   Perhaps you will get a figure-eight, perhaps not.  With incomplete information I can't speculate.  I don't even know why you are saying "again."  The only figure-eights that come to mind right now are the Kenny/Chris "Bloch wall with some unknown undefined bar magnet field pattern that looks like a figure-eight."  The problem of course is that is deluded nonsense.

MileHigh
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: verpies on January 26, 2015, 12:19:28 AM
So the guy claiming free energy that has been studying for "16 years" gets sliced to pieces by the EEVblog guy and also in the EEVblog thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoqF3gjLIyI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoqF3gjLIyI)
I watch Dave's blog regularly and I saw that video yesterday.  I liked the energy analysis, but I noticed that he made a mistake relating to the impedance of that inductor, since inductors are current sources and they have high output impedances.
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: MileHigh on January 26, 2015, 12:42:59 AM
I watch Dave's blog regularly and I saw that video yesterday.  I liked the energy analysis, but I noticed that he made a mistake relating to the impedance of that inductor, since inductors are current sources and they have high output impedances.

Great catch Verpies.  I thought that some of the stuff said was on a bit of shaky ground but I didn't want to split hairs and the video was simply too long for me to watch.  The old saying about nobody being perfect.
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: MarkE on January 26, 2015, 12:53:29 AM
I watch Dave's blog regularly and I saw that video yesterday.  I liked the energy analysis, but I noticed that he made a mistake relating to the impedance of that inductor, since inductors are current sources and they have high output impedances.
He made several mistakes, but none of them critical.  He kind of fumbled when describing the inductor switching mechanics, but his overall statements were close enough.
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: tinman on January 26, 2015, 12:57:46 AM

MileHigh
OK-whats with this sever error crap all the time here,now i have to go write this out all over again :'(

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So by your comment above I am assuming that you are saying, "Wait for the know-it-alls to come and shoot this down."   The problem is why aren't YOU shooting this down?
Lol-right on cue.
I dont have to shoot it down MH,you guys do a much better job.

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When you look at what is being discussed here, we are back to this issue:  Do you understand the most basic basic fundamentals about electricity and magnetism?   (This is a generic "you") Because clearly if you don't understand them, then you are handicapped and simply can't function properly  when it comes to electronics
Lol,nothing like a good laugh to start the day off ;D

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FatBird is in the same boat here.  Failure to think.  If you (generic) don't know that a charged particle moving in a magnetic field will trace out a circular path, and you have been on a forum that talks about electronics for years, then your ignorance becomes stupidity.
MH,what about the rest of the explanantion-the right hand ruel and all,that explains as to why it starts the trace one way with the north field,and the other way with the south field :o

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Here, let's have a bozo-busting mini-marathon about this subject:
This should be a hoot :D

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One more time, you are failing to describe what you are talking about with sufficient information.  Who the hell really knows what, "place two magnets side by side with opposite polarities against the side of the glass" means except you.  There are all sorts of orientations that will satisfy your incomplete description.   Perhaps you will get a figure-eight, perhaps not.  With incomplete information I can't speculate.  I don't even know why you are saying "again."

Time for that space shuttle refit ;D
Not to worry to much MH,as things seem to be going a little slow,i just decided to slip in the figure 8 there-->just to speed things up a little ;)--worked a treat dont ya think?
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: synchro1 on January 26, 2015, 01:10:17 AM
Text from Jerry Bayles on "Tornado Dynamics":
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: Acca on January 26, 2015, 11:35:44 AM
Hello,  ted thanks for the video of the aquarium vortex link and thanks to fatbird for baiting Milesoo..High.. he lacks oxygen.... btw.. most of all the underwater clips are mine.. ha ha ha... Yeah.. only permanent magnets have a vortex spin on both ends..  I just don't have the time to waste here trying to explain my self as the resident experts will tell you are full of shi**... 

Acca... 
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: MileHigh on January 26, 2015, 12:03:51 PM
Hello,  ted thanks for the video of the aquarium vortex link and thanks to fatbird for baiting Milesoo..High.. he lacks oxygen.... btw.. most of all the underwater clips are mine.. ha ha ha... Yeah.. only permanent magnets have a vortex spin on both ends..  I just don't have the time to waste here trying to explain my self as the resident experts will tell you are full of shi**... 

Acca...

Acca:

Those clips I linked to covered some basic fundamentals about how moving charges (current) interact with a magnetic field that you may have never even considered in your life.  I also seriously doubt you have considered the direction of the current flow in the water.  For what it's worth, the current flow could be mapped out using curvilinear cubes.  I also seriously doubt that you have tried to visualize how the current flowing in the water crosses the magnetic field lines in the water.

Now, if you understood the basic fundamentals, and you understood roughly what direction the current was flowing in the area around the magnet, and then you "cross" that with the toroidal shape of the magnetic field from the magnet.....  <drum roll>.... Then you would conclude that the current flow crossing the lines of magnetic flux will exert a force on the water that will make the water spin in a spiral.  In other words, just like what you see in the video with the "plasma mug."

When I saw your clips a few years ago, I crunched the observed geometry and using the basic fundamentals about how moving charges interact with a magnetic field and concluded that it made perfect sense to see the water forming a vortex because of the forces generated when the current flow does a cross-product with the magnetic field lines.  It tool me about a minute to figure this out.

So, what that means is that what you are looking at is perfectly normal.  There is no "vortex" associated with the magnetic field.  You are simply observing something perfectly normal, not understanding it, and then leading yourself down a garden path by inventing a false explanation for what you are observing.   In other words, it couldn't be any worse for you, and your whole pitch is 100% wrong.

MileHigh
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: ted.shield on January 26, 2015, 12:11:10 PM
btw.. most of all the underwater clips are mine

What happened to the channel? 


Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: pinestone on January 27, 2015, 01:11:24 AM
Maybe he's referring to electron spin: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/spin.html

Electron spin is responsible for the appearance of these 'bi-directional wings'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwc-oBGSGeg

Notice the laser is stimulating the "curved space" around the magnets field...
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: pinestone on January 27, 2015, 03:24:38 PM
Let me add this is similar to the famous Stern-Gerlach experiment:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stern%E2%80%93Gerlach_experiment
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: triffid on May 25, 2015, 02:14:59 AM
test just wanted a link back to this thread.
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: triffid on May 25, 2015, 02:31:16 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_levitation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_levitation)  I saw a video where a circular permanent magnet was floating over a superconductor spinning like a tire going the road.The whole thing was cooled down to 4 degrees K.that video is not here.But the proof that magnets having a spinning field can be seen there.The link provided shows a flat circular magnet suspended on its flat bottom side.It does not spin in this photo.But turn it on its smaller side and it will look like a tire spinning down the road.


I found proof in another experiment at room temp on u-tube.
here it is   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCSvNyHorgo  spin of wire is ccw.
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: TinselKoala on May 26, 2015, 01:43:35 PM
In the first place:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRby1Wilv-Q
This does NOT prove or even demonstrate that magnets have a SPINNING Magnetic Field.

In the second place:
The link shows a type of homopolar motor. It also does NOT prove or even demonstrate that magnets have a SPINNING Magnetic Field. Depending on the configuration of the homopolar motor, one can get rotation whether the magnet itself is rotating, or not. In fact, the homopolar motor phenomenon actually shows that the magnetic field does not "spin" even if the magnet itself is spinning !
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: pinestone on May 26, 2015, 09:17:34 PM
...Depending on the configuration of the homopolar motor, one can get rotation whether the magnet itself is rotating, or not. ...

Ahhhhhh. There lies the paradox: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_paradox
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: triffid on May 30, 2015, 06:20:39 PM
Well I gave it my best shot as I had been thinking on this subject for a few months now.In the  homopolar motor the magnet itself does not spin but since its metal plated it is actually  part of the electric circuit.A ceramic magnet in its place would not conduct a current.So no motor action would be seen there.The flow of current would oppose the magnetic field.Since the wire moves in a CCW direction.It indictates to me a possible CCW spin of the magnetic field.It seems that Pinestone may have a better idea of whats going on here.I myself did not believe that  a magnetic field spins around a permanent magnet until I found the two posts I presented up above.triffid

Truth is always better.I only seek the truth.
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: CANGAS on June 01, 2015, 08:44:28 AM
In the first place:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRby1Wilv-Q
This does NOT prove or even demonstrate that magnets have a SPINNING Magnetic Field.

In the second place:
The link shows a type of homopolar motor. It also does NOT prove or even demonstrate that magnets have a SPINNING Magnetic Field. Depending on the configuration of the homopolar motor, one can get rotation whether the magnet itself is rotating, or not. In fact, the homopolar motor phenomenon actually shows that the magnetic field does not "spin" even if the magnet itself is spinning !


Tinkl.....WTF!

Am I hallucinating? Did I get a bad bottle of whisky?

You seem to have written something that is right. How did you do that?

Maybe I read it wrong. I will read it again.



CANGAS 175
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: triffid on June 08, 2015, 04:50:07 PM
Ok if a homopolar motor shows no spin explain to me why a magnet spins when a superconductor is levitating a permanent magnet on its side.Why does it look like a tire rolling down the highway?I have no example here but I saw a video on public tv where they were talking about very cold temperatures(4K and lower).triffid
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: triffid on June 08, 2015, 05:00:51 PM
ok I found the video its 54 minutes long if you want to watch the whole thing but the spinning magnet is shown in the first two minutes.Nova made the video.triffid
http://video.ketc.org/video/2365109000/
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: joel321 on June 11, 2015, 07:29:18 AM
I'm not sure what is the real core of the debate on this thread but I watched the video posted in the response above mine, and man you “scientists” have all the fun and make money.

All of that research is not really that hard to do, it's just that you guys are left alone to flower to “evolve” for truth. Which is good and enjoyable for the body. Better than thinking about war and corrupting.

Just imagine what type of living organisms are frozen in universe coldest places just waiting to thaw? Which I king of hit in to a paradox in the brain...there are things going so fast that are billions of years “ahead” of the cold temperatures, there is equal of billions of cold being “slowed down behind. So we have particles going at super heated levels in to the future and we have particles super cold levels lagging behind our present time.

If in the galaxy heat explodes stars, does cold explode cold stars too? The cold must get super cold to a point of breaking point too-  implodes or explodes too, albeit, very slowly.

The thing that I don't get either is that heat goes to cold? now do we assume this because what we believe is that more than 50% of the "know" universe is cold therefore, hot that is less than 50% goes to cold? (if i can explain myself right). Or if we put two identical object to the quantum level inside a vacuum, one supor hot another super cold at the same scale, and touch the two objects together, the hot will travel to the cold first in the two identical objects? But where does the cold go and where does the heat go from both objects once they touch, does it disperse in the vacuum..because i'm assuming both objects will lose energy... but heat will go towards the cold object first ???

Wow, lots of things to yet to be discovered and learn.  8)
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: joel321 on June 11, 2015, 07:51:27 AM
http://video.ketc.org/video/2365109000/

In the video at 53:03 “177 nano Kelvin” 49:18 “This is the coldest spot in the Universe right now” I'm sure in a few more hundred/thousand years, if our world or humanity for that matter survives the next “extinction”, I'm pretty sure there will be colder places to yet be discovered...lol...I find these type of statements comical...yes it may be the ONLY HUMAN KNOWN coldest nose pore in the air today, but that does not mean it is STATIC 100% with out a doubt THE ABSOLUTE final no more COLD places out there in the ENTIRE Universe...hmmm...who is going to contradict him anyway lol but that is false.

Just nit picking at the video that's all. lol
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: triffid on September 11, 2015, 07:15:41 PM
testing to see if this thread is still alive.say something somebody.
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: sm0ky2 on September 13, 2015, 04:29:09 AM
The thing that I don't get either is that heat goes to cold? now do we assume this because what we believe is that more than 50% of the "know" universe is cold therefore, hot that is less than 50% goes to cold? (if i can explain myself right). Or if we put two identical object to the quantum level inside a vacuum, one supor hot another super cold at the same scale, and touch the two objects together, the hot will travel to the cold first in the two identical objects? But where does the cold go and where does the heat go from both objects once they touch, does it disperse in the vacuum..because i'm assuming both objects will lose energy... but heat will go towards the cold object first ???


Well Joel, .......

Cold simply means less "heat energy". And so by definition, the cold doesn't go anywhere, it is the heat that moves.
Heat will always move to the colder object, until thermal equilibrium is reached.
The object with more heat energy, will lose heat, thus making it colder.
The object with less heat energy, will gain heat, thus making it hotter.
But from both perspectives, it is the heat that moves.
There is no such thing as "cold energy". it is only heat that is being observed.


Also: heat does not manifest itself in the vacuum. it only manifests in mass.
in space, there are gasses and dust that can retain thermal energy
but, the general observation is that, the less mass, the less thermal energy in that part of space.
that is not to say that there is not energy. it just exists in forms other than thermal energy.
some super cold places in space are wreathing with intense radiation.
     if we were to place mass in these areas, it would be superheated by the radiation
     and that place would no longer be super cold.
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: MagnaProp on September 13, 2015, 12:58:36 PM
...say something somebody.
I saw two videos from TinMan that appeared to show a permanent mag and an electro mag under water. The perm had the bubble vortex and the electro bubbles appeared to float straight up with no vortex. Maybe we would get a vortex from the electromagnet if we angle the wires?
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: MagnaProp on September 14, 2015, 01:17:39 AM
Tried to send this to the admin only in PM but didn't see a place to attache images. Just FYI I'm getting a bunch of virus warnings when going on this site today.

///Edit
Since I'm typing. What if the electromagnets coils were vertical as in an elongated toroid? If the magnetic stuff spins around a wire and thus spins around the entire toroid, wouldn't any bubbles from it spin in a vortex as well?

Anyone put an electromagnet toroid in the liquid bubble test?
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: triffid on September 16, 2015, 04:52:52 PM
OK so there is life here afterall?If the drawings presented above were drawn correctly they seem to indicate a CCW motion to the magnetic fields for a permanent magnet.Something I have said already.


I have not seen the Tinman videos.It seems that I need to.triffid
Can someone provide a direct link?Thanks in advance.
If Tinman already provided links here.I looked but don't have time right now to view them all.And when we say bubbles we are talking about water?Or plasma?I know that H2 gas is repelled by a magnetic field while O2 gas is attracted to a magnetic field.Interesting enough a candle flame is a plasma.In case someone wants to experiment with a cheap plasma.

Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: triffid on September 16, 2015, 05:26:14 PM
A cute entertaining video on how permanent magnets generate a magnetic field and on how electromagnets generate their fields.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFAOXdXZ5TM


 Yes there is a difference!
In permanent magnets electrons spin on their axis.And in an electromagnet electrons flow through a wire.In both cases electrons are moving to generate a magnetic field.
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: MagnaProp on September 18, 2015, 01:48:01 AM
...I have not seen the Tinman videos...
Can someone provide a direct link?...
Hi. this was the video I saw. Permanent magnets appear to have what I'll call "virtual wires" with a similar flux flow like toroid electromagnets. I would expect the permanent magnet to have a stronger vortex since the flux in the virtual wires are more exposed to the ambient surroundings instead of being trapped in wires or cores.

https://youtu.be/UIlijUSJMmg
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: Acca on September 18, 2015, 06:20:23 AM
 Here are some of my clips from years ago…. on magneticvortex validation...
 

 
And 1944 popular science on magnetic water splitting..
 
Below..
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXifaqdbLhs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXifaqdbLhs)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxeKL28lR28 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxeKL28lR28)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_Az_sZXjHU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_Az_sZXjHU)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaMf1aq6Njg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaMf1aq6Njg)
 
 
 Acca…[/font]
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: MileHigh on September 18, 2015, 07:51:03 AM
Nothing has changed in the last nine months and magnets do not have a spinning magnetic field.  For Al's aquarium videos, an astute kid in Grade 9 General Science class could explain them after doing the research and figuring it out themselves.  If you are really interested in electricity and magnetism, and you don't understand the aquarium clips, then a good self-challenge would be to explain what is going on by doing your own research and figuring it out for yourself.

This is a clip from Al that I haven't seen before:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_Az_sZXjHU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_Az_sZXjHU)

"Iron Rods with Monopoles by Magnetflipper."

One more time the response is no, there are no iron rods with monopoles being shown in that clip, period.  The self-challenge one more time is to look at the clip and explain it for yourself using rational reasoning.

Leading yourself down an incorrect garden path is definitely what you do NOT want to do.
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: MagnaProp on September 19, 2015, 12:50:24 AM
Here are some of my clips from years ago…. on magneticvortex validation...
Good info thanks! Your monopole video is interesting as well. Wouldn't mind knowing how it was done.
 
This is the only other DIY monopole experiment I have seen from MrTeslonian- 
https://youtu.be/rOdTDkgEdAY
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: MileHigh on September 19, 2015, 01:38:14 AM
Good info thanks! Your monopole video is interesting as well. Wouldn't mind knowing how it was done.
 
This is the only other DIY monopole experiment I have seen from MrTeslonian- 
https://youtu.be/rOdTDkgEdAY (https://youtu.be/rOdTDkgEdAY)

The clip above is an electronics quackery clip.   Most of what the guy is saying in the clip is fantasy talk.  He did not produce any monopoles where the molten solder falls on the paint can lids.   He made no attempt whatsoever to check out the 3D space around the two solidified solder blobs on the paint can lids.  If he had simply checked out the full 3D space around the solidified blobs of solder he would have discovered that both of them were weak conventional magnets with both north and south poles.  How he could not do this most basic fundamental test that any person with common sense would do is beyond me.
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: MagnaProp on September 21, 2015, 11:43:59 AM
The clip above is an electronics quackery clip...
The agents are getting restless so we must be close. I'll be stocking up on tin foil. Sounds like I'll need a bigger hat.

But more to the point, I assume he either did your test before he took the video and just neglected to show it in full during the video or he simply neglected to do it and got caught up in the moment. I've seen his other videos and don't believe he intentionally misleads people. We all make a mistakes from time to time. Looks easy enough to replicate for anyone that wants to try it or questions the results. That mech assisting suite he built recently is awesome.
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: MileHigh on September 21, 2015, 07:17:01 PM
No agents needed.  He says, "I want to take you through what might be the most important discovery of the last century."  It's so important but he makes no attempt to check the full 3D magnetic field around each blob of solidified solder?  I take the clip at face value and don't assume that he did any checking of the 3D space around each blob of solidified solder because he gives no indication that he did.

He is supposed to be doing something based on the Lord Kelvin electrostatic generator.  So why does he have two coils in the setup?  The Lord Kelvin generator doesn't even use coils.  Coils have nothing to do with the electrostatic generator at all.

He says "any molten metal in motion creates an electromagnetic field."  That's not a true statement.  I suppose that it's possible that the droplets of molten metal could carry an electrostatic charge like in the Lord Kelvin generator, and then they pass through a coil.  That represents a very tiny tiny electric current flow.  But the two coils are shorted coils so they won't really do anything except perhaps get a tiny tiny current induced in them.  That will do nothing of any consequence.

So what if molten metal drops land on the paint can lids with tiny opposite electrostatic charges.  There is no reason for that to somehow create a magnetic monopole, none at all.

The whole clip is basically nonsensical quackery.  Mr. Teslonian is out of his element and making wild assumptions with no foundation in fact.  He is pushing beyond his knowledge level and saying a bunch of technical sounding stuff that doesn't make any sense at all.  His use of shorted coils in an experiment that is based on electrostatics is ridiculous.  He is using coils in the blind belief that they will do something useful when in fact in this "experiment" they won't do anything useful at all.

The clip is a nonsense clip.
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: Acca on September 21, 2015, 07:23:24 PM
Magna the way to create the the one pole steel magnets is to have very high carbon steel dowel pins of the right

length.  The way to magnetize them is to get a neo 4 pole magnet from a very large old (shoe box) hard drive from

about 1987, I inside there is a semi horse shoe magnet (2) that has the right configuration. Take only one and

position one end of the "high carbon steel precision ground dowel pin" on the end of the north or south pole then

take the second dowel pin and position it on the top of the other pole, now once you have the pins sitting both on the

same plane of the surface of the magnet you leave them there for about a week. Be very careful as that you mark the

 pole orientation as no mix up happens should you reverse them , that will give them tow equal poles. The steel rods

 are NOT magnets they are steel high carbon content, carbon is magnetic as of the year 2000,  (an flat form of carbon).


Remove the rods from the 4 pole magnet carefully as not to short out them against each other the as you pull them

off the 4 pole neo chrome plated hard drive magnet. You will now have a uni-pole magnetic steel rods that are

magnetic only on one end and they will attract each other when as in my clip only to the ends that are magnetic.

as to say that is crap fu-k you MH.

Acca..
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: MileHigh on September 21, 2015, 09:19:07 PM
Dear Al:

For your clip that is supposedly called "Iron Rods with Monopoles by Magnetflipper:"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_Az_sZXjHU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_Az_sZXjHU)

They are not monopoles.

At 1:51 in the clip you can clearly see a North-South attraction between the two cylindrical magnets.  See attached picture.

At 1:53 in the clip you have moved the right magnet down and then there is South-South repulsion.  This repulsion causes the left cylindrical magnet to roll away towards the left.  See attached picture.

MileHigh
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: MagnaProp on September 22, 2015, 07:09:36 AM
Thanks for the info Acca. From your info it sounds like this is the magnet and this is how you put the carbon steel pins on it for a week. Let me know if I got it wrong.
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: Acca on September 22, 2015, 08:08:32 PM
Magna you have the right drawings and the right setup ...

as to say that these are monopoles NO, these are one pole magnetic iron rods with a very very weak pole on one side

and a very strong pole on the other end ...

You might want to enclose these HD magnets between iron,  one quarter inch thick, two by two inch square keepers

you will find that there is no magnetic (flux) escaping from the magnet as any thing made of iron or magnetic

material will not be attracted to the unit as it is sandwiched ...

Unlike the conventional north south pole magnet sandwiched between iron squares ...

Acca..
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: MileHigh on September 22, 2015, 08:29:24 PM
There is actually no such thing as a "north pole" and a "south pole."  They simply don't exist in real life.

"North pole" and "south pole" are nothing more than naming conventions to make it easier to discuss magnets and practical applications for magnets.

You don't believe me?

You have a long long straight wire with one amp of DC current flowing through it.   We know that there is a magnetic field around the wire due to the current flow.

So, for the case of the long straight wire, where is the north pole and where is the south pole?

I know that it seems counter-intuitive, but you just have to think about it for a while.  You can clearly see that there is a "north pole" on one end of a bar magnet and a "south pole" on the other end.  But then when you look at the example of the long straight wire, there is no way of defining a "north pole" and a "south pole."   So how do you resolve these two seemingly contradictory things?
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: Vortex1 on September 22, 2015, 10:30:24 PM
There is actually no such thing as a "north pole" and a "south pole."  They simply don't exist in real life.

"North pole" and "south pole" are nothing more than naming conventions to make it easier to discuss magnets and practical applications for magnets.

You don't believe me?

You have a long long straight wire with one amp of DC current flowing through it.   We know that there is a magnetic field around the wire due to the current flow.

So, for the case of the long straight wire, where is the north pole and where is the south pole?

I know that it seems counter-intuitive, but you just have to think about it for a while.  You can clearly see that there is a "north pole" on one end of a bar magnet and a "south pole" on the other end.  But then when you look at the example of the long straight wire, there is no way of defining a "north pole" and a "south pole."   So how do you resolve these two seemingly contradictory things?

I agree with your statements.

It depends on which direction the observer is facing when looking at the wire or magnet.

e.g a transparent clock spins clockwise when you are facing and counter clockwise when viewed from behind.
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: MagnaProp on September 22, 2015, 11:08:31 PM
...these are one pole magnetic iron rods with a very very weak pole on one side...
I agree. This might be similar to what MrTeslonian is experiencing. His weak pole might be in the center and thus hard to detect. May prove useful, thanks.

...for the case of the long straight wire, where is the north pole and where is the south pole?...
I currently subscribe to the Ed Leedskalnin notion of magnetism as well as a few other ideas I've seen on how magnetism can reciprocate in an open system. For the wire scenario, cut a loop of wire so the ends are exposed and the magnets in the wire will bunch up at the ends creating stronger poles there. This is because magnets/electricity doesn't like to go through air as Ed mentions in his book.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCQoKacd9JU
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: MileHigh on September 23, 2015, 04:11:28 PM
I think the concept that Ed Leedskalnin refers to as "magnetic current" is simply what is conventionally called "magnetic flux."  Magnetic fields and the associated magnetic flux come from moving charges (electrons or protons) and likewise moving charges come from magnetic fields.  The second part explains how a Joule Thief works.

Quote
This is because magnets/electricity doesn't like to go through air as Ed mentions in his book.

This is an indirect reference to permeability.  It's important to understand both permittivity and permeability and how the nature of different atoms and molecules can affect their measured values.

Once you understand these basics then the so-called "Leedskalnin's perpetual motion holder" is easily explainable and not all that interesting.  Yes, it is almost perpetual, but "motion" is a misnomer.
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: MagnaProp on September 23, 2015, 09:11:54 PM
I think the concept that Ed Leedskalnin refers to as "magnetic current" is simply what is conventionally called "magnetic flux."...
I agree with this but Ed didn't believe in the electron part so I'm not sure about those. Might be quantum quackery?


...Once you understand these basics then the so-called "Leedskalnin's perpetual motion holder" is easily explainable and not all that interesting.  Yes, it is almost perpetual, but "motion" is a misnomer.
I'm very interested in his PMH. He mentions in his book that he has filed a patent for a generator, which I have never seen anyone find, and he mentioned in another part that he built a device that put out a small amount of power. I believe it was perpetual power. Lasersaber has been able to tap into some of it which I think is only the beginning of what the device can do.

https://youtu.be/S_ssUTRbRRs
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: MileHigh on September 24, 2015, 12:28:45 AM
I suspect there is another process taking place that explains the digital and analog meter measurements in that clip.

When you put the probes of a digital multimeter between your thumb and forefinger of your left and right hands you can measure a voltage when the multimeter is set on the most sensitive scale.  Why is that?

It's possible that your body is picking up 50 or 60 Hz hum from the electrical wiring.  You can easily see that on a scope or hear it when you touch the input of an audio amplifier.

But let's look more carefully at very small DC voltage and current measurements.  You have the multimeter probes in each hand and you can sometimes see a small DC voltage or current.

The surface of your skin is salty and the tips of your fingers are covered in what we call "finger grease."   So you can easily create a very weak chemical battery due to the salty finger grease on your fingers when you hold the two probes between the thumb and forefinger of each hand.

Here is what Lasersaber may be setting up in his experiment:

<probe metal> <salty finger grease #1> <dissimilar keeper metal> <salty finger grease #2> <probe metal>

That could very easily be a Count Volta chemical battery.

The big clue is that Lasersaber does not measure any voltage on the top and bottom of the keeper metal in the clip.  That's where there is much less finger grease.  But he does measure voltage on the inside and outside of the keeper metal.  That's where there is a lot of finger grease.

Where he made a mistake is to not try the same test without the keeper being energized.

Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: triffid on September 25, 2015, 08:24:21 PM
Acca,your article about splitting water with magnets has an error in it.I did a similar experiment years ago.The two magnets I had were nickleplated magnet cubes.One eroded and the other did not.It meant that I had created a weak battery(about 1/10 volt).It turned out that the weak electric current could split some water with the magnetic field present.In your article the magnet poles were made of soft iron and a wire connects them shorting them out and allowing a weak current to flow.Looks like a battery to me.I have done tests making same metal electrodes for batteries and find that most of the time the same metal is disimilar enough to generate a 1/10 V voltage.triffid
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: Acca on September 26, 2015, 01:12:17 PM
 Here is the duplication of Dr. Felix Ehrenhaft "MAGNET WATER SPLITTER"works with NO electricity ???

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u7L-J59iZw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u7L-J59iZw)
 
 Acca.






In March 1944, Radio-Craft published an article, "Magnetic Current --- Discovery of the Age?". It described the work of refugee scientist

Felix Ehrenhaft, Director of the Physics Institute, University of Vienna. Ehrenhaft believed that he had discovered particles with a

one-pole magnetic charge (either N or S but not both). Ehrenhaft made a number of other experiments that supported his hypothesis.

Unfortunately one of the most dramatic ones --- indicating that water could be decomposed magnetically --- went wrong. It was

absolutely unrepeatable. The professor was tremendously embarrassed, and to some extent withdrew from public discussion, carrying

on his experimental work in the semi-seclusion of Manhattan College.

He returned to his post in Vienna after the war, and some of his later work was published in French and other scientific journals. He died
 not so long after.





http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-Radio-Craft/1940s/Radio-Craft-1944-03.pdf (http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-Radio-Craft/1940s/Radio-Craft-1944-03.pdf)

 
on page 14 of this document.


Publications by Felix Ehrenhaft
"Photophoresis and the Influence upon it of Electric and Magnetic fields", Philosophical. Mag. 11 (1931),140-146
"Physical and Astronomical information Concerning Particles of the Order of Magnitude of the Wavelength of Light", J. Franklin Institute, vol 230: 381-393 (Sept. 1940)
( and Banet, Leo): "Is there a true magnetism or not", Philosophy of. Science 8 (1941), 458-462
"Stationary Electric and Magnetic Fields in Beams of Light", Nature 147: 25 (Jan. 4, 1941).
"Photophoresis and Its Interpretation by Electric and Magnetic Ions", J. Franklin Institute, vol 233 (March 1942), pp. 235-255.
"The Magnetic Current", Science 94: 232-233 (Sept 5, 1941).
(and Banet, Leo): "The Magnetic Ion", Science 96: 228-229 (Sept. 4, 1942).
"The Magnetic Current in Gases", Physical Review 61: 733 (1942).
"Decomposition of Matter Through the Magnet (Magnetolysis)", Physical Review 63: 216 (1943).
"Magnetolysis and the Electric Field Around the Magnetic Current", Physical Review 63: 461-462 (1943).
"Further Facts Concerning the magnetic Current", Physical Review 64: 43 (1943).
"New Experiments about the Magnetic Current", Physical Review 65: 62-63 (1944).
"Continuation of Experiments with the Magnetic Current", Physical Review 65: 256 (1944).
"The Decomposition of Water by the So-Called Permanent Magnet...", Physical Review 65: 287-289 (May 1944).
 "The Magnetic Current", Nature 154: 426-427 (Sept. 30, 1944) [/font]
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: Acca on September 27, 2015, 10:49:54 AM
Here are two more video clips from me.   About a magnetvortex and gas bubbles attracted to the ploe of the magnet.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEM6CM7aRNk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEM6CM7aRNk)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAVWlyMrjX4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAVWlyMrjX4)
 
Here is the impossible article from 1944 headline:
 
 Magnetic Current Discovery of the Age ?
 
 "Electrical science may well be on the verge of a new era; an age in which magnetism will duplicate or exceed the

advances of current electricity. The action of magnetic particles in a strong field, movement of electrically-charged

BUBBLES OF GAS SPIRALLY around a magnetic field set up in a liquid, and above all, the decomposition of water by

magnetism, prove that such discoveries are, and what their effects may be, only the future can tell. "
 
 Radio Craft Electronics magazine March 1944 by Fred Shunman
 see page 11 and page 14 main article.
 
 Acca[/font]
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: triffid on October 03, 2015, 05:20:41 PM
Acca,I have been doing some more thinking on the water splitting process with magnets.Looking back I used a plastic screen to hold my cube magnets apart.I got bubbles after a few days(4 or 5).One magnet got badly corroded.Once I realized I had a weak battery I quit the experiment.But NOW i realize more may have happening than I realized.I did not have a huge amount of gas released.Just had a few bubbles. I never had it tested.But now I realise I was getting bubbles at about .1 volts.  1.2 volts is what brute force electroylsis requires.Since h2 gas is repelled by a magnetic field.That could also help explain why your intial video said mostly h2 gas was found?At least 80%?Now the amount of gas released was small(in my experiment).I recently learned that the element carbon is magnetic.Maybe carbon electrodes could help the process?
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: triffid on October 14, 2015, 04:20:45 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-ionization_of_water (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-ionization_of_water)   Water tends to break apart at a certain rate at room temperature(and then recombine).Maybe a strong enough magnetic field will keep some of it from recombining?triffid


The self-ionization of water (also autoionization of water, and autodissociation of water) is an ionizatio (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionization)n reaction in pure water (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Properties_of_water) or an aqueous solution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aqueous_solution), in which a water molecule, H2O,deprotonates (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deprotonation) (loses the nucleus of one of its hydrogen atoms) to become a hydroxide (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxide) ion, OH. The hydrogen nucleus, H+ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydron_(chemistry)), immediately protonates (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protonation) another water molecule to form hydronium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydronium). It is an example of autoprotolysis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoprotolysis), and exemplifies the amphoteric (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphoterism) nature of water.
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: Acca on October 15, 2015, 01:31:16 PM
http://overunity.com/1012/hho-watergas-very-low-power-water-electrolysis/dlattach/attach/1438/ (http://overunity.com/1012/hho-watergas-very-low-power-water-electrolysis/dlattach/attach/1438/)

[/font]Ruggero Santilli has called "A New Gaseous form of water", which is said to be magnecules, or atoms of H and O bound by magnetism. It roughly puts 6 times more energy in the form of HHO gas than the electric energy input (gives 30 Kw in the form of gas, or 2 pounds of a 50.000 btu/ pound HHO gas, for each 5 Kw consumed), which is good but would not let much room for overunity with a 20% efficient internal combustion engine.
 
 If you don't believe me, I attached the Santilli paper about HHO Gas (Santilli worked with Denny Klein for the patent application for this device).
 [/font]
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: Acca on October 15, 2015, 02:06:34 PM
 http://www.wateriontechnologies.com/ (http://www.wateriontechnologies.com/)
http://www.wateriontechnologies.com/ (http://www.wateriontechnologies.com/)
http://www.wateriontechnologies.com/science.asp (http://www.wateriontechnologies.com/science.asp)
 
http://www.wateriontechnologies.com/PDF/wit-overviewgc.pdf (http://www.wateriontechnologies.com/PDF/wit-overviewgc.pdf)


Acca...






Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: MagnaProp on October 17, 2015, 04:11:10 AM
Here is the duplication of Dr. Felix Ehrenhaft "MAGNET WATER SPLITTER"works with NO electricity ???
...
Looks good to me! Thanks for sharing. Wish I had the 7 figs to give ya.
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: MileHigh on October 17, 2015, 05:46:24 AM
Looks good to me! Thanks for sharing. Wish I had the 7 figs to give ya.

World saved!  All that we need are magnets and then we can use the hydrogen and oxygen to produce just about any kind of energy we want for next to nothing.  Amazing!  Splitting water with no energy cost to do it, just magnets!  The production of electricity will be too cheap to meter.
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: MagnaProp on October 17, 2015, 08:27:03 AM
World saved!...
Nah we're still screwed but at least we have free energy now in our remaining days. I take some solace in knowing there are other species out there like us, such as the bark beetle that consumes until there is nothing left. As great as he was, even Tesla stopped building his free energy device when his shop was burned down and he decided there would be no real industry use for his machine since it didn't spit out gobs of energy. Every single genius for one reason or another hides his free energy ideas either by giving it to wealthy people to shelve or just simply holding on to it until it dies with them. Just human nature. Still cool to see what he did with the magnets here though.

So I'm guessing you think it's some kind of galvanic chemical reaction between the metals that make up the magnets and the liquid he has in there? Once the metal in the magnets is eaten up, the reaction will stop? I'm rather ignorant on the possible ways to do electrolysis so I don't know if the reaction without electricity is unique or just showing the bubble vortex with no electricity is unique? I'll try this with some dirty alka-seltzer pills and see how far I get.
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: MileHigh on October 17, 2015, 10:33:31 PM
Nah we're still screwed but at least we have free energy now in our remaining days. I take some solace in knowing there are other species out there like us, such as the bark beetle that consumes until there is nothing left. As great as he was, even Tesla stopped building his free energy device when his shop was burned down and he decided there would be no real industry use for his machine since it didn't spit out gobs of energy. Every single genius for one reason or another hides his free energy ideas either by giving it to wealthy people to shelve or just simply holding on to it until it dies with them. Just human nature. Still cool to see what he did with the magnets here though.

So I'm guessing you think it's some kind of galvanic chemical reaction between the metals that make up the magnets and the liquid he has in there? Once the metal in the magnets is eaten up, the reaction will stop? I'm rather ignorant on the possible ways to do electrolysis so I don't know if the reaction without electricity is unique or just showing the bubble vortex with no electricity is unique? I'll try this with some dirty alka-seltzer pills and see how far I get.

If what you say is true, then what's wrong with free energy geniuses?  Are they all sick in the head?  Isn't there at least one single man or woman out there that will freely offer their free energy tech to the world to save millions of lives from starvation and prevent wars over oil and all that stuff?  Are they all little greedy trolls that hide their tech and die with it because every single one of them is holding out for money?

I have a feeling the supposed "magnetic fizz" is purely chemical in nature.  There is no rational reason at all to expect a magnet to split water just like magic.  Put a magnet in water for three months straight and see if it is still fizzing.
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: massive on October 17, 2015, 11:33:34 PM
There is actually no such thing as a "north pole" and a "south pole."  They simply don't exist in real life.

"North pole" and "south pole" are nothing more than naming conventions to make it easier to discuss magnets and practical applications for magnets.

You don't believe me?

You have a long long straight wire with one amp of DC current flowing through it.   We know that there is a magnetic field around the wire due to the current flow.

So, for the case of the long straight wire, where is the north pole and where is the south pole?

I know that it seems counter-intuitive, but you just have to think about it for a while.  You can clearly see that there is a "north pole" on one end of a bar magnet and a "south pole" on the other end.  But then when you look at the example of the long straight wire, there is no way of defining a "north pole" and a "south pole."   So how do you resolve these two seemingly contradictory things?


^^^^^^ good example
this is just an example of how rediculous it is that in 2015 , people are voluntarily SELF bound to ideas and thoughts of people of the 1800s
those learned types of the 1800s never knew anything beyond 1900 . 115 years later and the ideas , thoughts and HYPOTHESIS of those people are forced as so called education .

HOJO = Howard Johnson studied magnets for 50 or 60 odd years , his work is more relevant than any thing any one did in the 1800s , it is at the very least more RECENT!!

maverick researchers are looking for anomalies , they have a human curiosity that you just cant find in most people . you could say it doesnt exist  :-\

laws of thermodynamics are well worth throwing in the garbage simply because they are a complete STRANGERS view of the world that THEY once lived in
 
people today still talk about horse power , the same people havent even seen a horse!!
whats a horse got to do with anything ?  nothing , it was never relevant, just 1 mans attempt at inventing a benchmark , 'the horse power ruler/gauge'

Ive got 'energy from the vacuum' dvd , theres a bit on HOJO , there is definitely something there where he says theres something . he devoted a large chunk of his life to that something , so did Floyd Pink , another interesting character

so for average born consumers which most of us are , there are certain people that are different and have a natural curiosity that can not be explained and they certainly are not bound by any laws of physics as outlined circa 1800-1900 , that would be absolutely rediculous foundation to stand upon.

the so called education system pins those limitations on young minds that never develope the curiosity

Im yet to read HOJOs book "discovering magnetism"- 1970 .  spintronics ... 

verrrryyy curious  ;)
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: MagnaProp on October 18, 2015, 12:51:50 AM
If what you say is true, then what's wrong with free energy geniuses?  Are they all sick in the head?...
It's just human nature to want something of value in return for something you already have, be it $ and or acknowledgement that the something was yours to begin with. If you don't think you get something of value in turn, then you don't release the something that you have. It is absolutely a form of greed, self worth, what ever you want to call it. I call it human nature. This "greed" is more prevalent in some than in others. This "greed/self wroth" for some can simply be a self motivating force that we can go good things with and not just bad. Without some form of greed/self motivation, then you could release what you have for free, not caring if it dies right away or not, which isn't necessarily very helpful either.

...Isn't there at least one single man or woman out there that will freely offer their free energy tech to the world to save millions of lives from starvation and prevent wars over oil and all that stuff?...
That person would live in a sea of people that have strong greed and self worth that would want all profits and recognition from it. So to get it out there that person would have to be at least as greedy and have just as much self worth to fight against those that would try to stop them. That willingness and ability to fight those that would stop such a thing, is the most rarest combination of them all. I don't think any such person has occurred yet since such a fight can't be fought alone. It's much easier to just close up shop and not release that something that you have. Net result being the same as from those that would fight you.

5 hour energy drink man is the closest I have seen so far. It remains to be seen if this billionaire, and others that may follow, are truly trying to help or just investing in other emerging businesses. I think desalination will be big business in 10 years. We'll see how many of these devices they "give" away or just how high they jack up the price for the water they produce. Even Bill Gates gives away millions to charities and holds patents for cooling the worlds oceans, but I don't think we regard him as the worlds savior.

I have a feeling the supposed "magnetic fizz" is purely chemical in nature...
Acca mentions it may be a galvanic reaction in his video if I recall correctly. So he might just be showing us the vortex formation without electricity probes being used on the magnet. Maybe he can clarify this for me?

Acca is willing to share the videos and even the sources from which he got the idea from so that's a good start in getting it out there for those willing to do the hard work that Acca has already done. For that I do thank him in sharing.
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: MagnaProp on October 18, 2015, 01:12:04 AM
This is what I think north poles and south poles are. I think it's Ed Leedskalnin spinning magetic flux/ether field lines. He said they spin both directions again each other and equally. I think we get a current in a wire when they spin unequally when one direction is slightly stronger than the other so it becomes the dominate or relevant direction.

This image is what I think is attraction and repulsion based on the dominate ether flow spin direction. If they crash into each other like gears with hooks spinning in opposite directions, then it's attraction. If they spin in the same direction at the point of intersection then we get repulsion. I think when attraction happens, it sucks in more ether making the attraction potentially stronger than what can be achieved with repulsion. This could be in a short wire or an infinitely long wire or loop of wire.
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: MagnaProp on October 18, 2015, 01:30:33 AM
Oops double post  :P
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: massive on October 18, 2015, 03:33:31 AM

I was looking into this a few days ago , attraction force . I was trying to find out about a PM vs ferrite which is only temporary .

http://www.supermagnete.de/eng/faq/Is-the-attraction-between-magnets-as-high-as-the-repulsion

Ed Ledskalnin could have been more direct with his thoughts in stead of being mysterious .
Howard Johnsons associate made a mapping unit from ex navy destroyer surplus . it was able to map the field of a magnet .
Conventional concepts of a static mag field are out dated .

http://www.cheniere.org/misc/johnson.htm
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: synchro1 on October 18, 2015, 09:32:46 PM
There is actually no such thing as a "north pole" and a "south pole."  They simply don't exist in real life.

"North pole" and "south pole" are nothing more than naming conventions to make it easier to discuss magnets and practical applications for magnets.

You don't believe me?

You have a long long straight wire with one amp of DC current flowing through it.   We know that there is a magnetic field around the wire due to the current flow.

So, for the case of the long straight wire, where is the north pole and where is the south pole?

I know that it seems counter-intuitive, but you just have to think about it for a while.  You can clearly see that there is a "north pole" on one end of a bar magnet and a "south pole" on the other end.  But then when you look at the example of the long straight wire, there is no way of defining a "north pole" and a "south pole."   So how do you resolve these two seemingly contradictory things?

The wire's magnetized "Radially"; The "north pole" is on the outside of the wire and the "south pole" is hidden on the inside.
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: truesearch on October 19, 2015, 03:52:04 PM
@sonchro1:


So. . . you're saying the straight-wire is functionally and practically the same as a monopole? Because the "south pole" (as you say) is completely hidden on the inside? (I'm not picking any fight, just trying to understand).

truesearch
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: Acca on October 29, 2015, 12:15:21 PM
http://www.cheniere.org/techpapers/HJLabMemo1(11%20Jun%2096).doc (http://www.cheniere.org/techpapers/HJLabMemo1(11%20Jun%2096).doc) http://www.cheniere.org/techpapers/on_extracting_EM%20energy.htm (http://www.cheniere.org/techpapers/on_extracting_EM%20energy.htm)[/font]
Acca..

p.s.

Here is the "secret" to magnets..

Howard R. Johnson
June 1, 1919 to January 2, 2008
In Memoriam by Tom Bearden

 
 Sadly, one of the real pioneers and inspirations in the emerging field of magnetic energy from the vacuum via asymmetric magnetic systems has passed away early in January. Howard Johnson was a truly noble person and my friend for many years, during which time he introduced me to several novel effects in magnets and magnetic materials, and freely showed me the results of his years of very hard effort. Twice to my personal knowledge he did successfully build a self-rotating permanent magnet machine, only to have it promptly stolen in professional break-ins to his laboratory.  In memoriam, I wish to tell a little of Howard's life and achievements, and to express my strong personal appreciation for his having been my good friend for three decades.
Howard Richmond Johnson was born at Wise, Virginia on June 1, 1919 and passed away on Jan. 2, 2008 in Blacksburg, Virginia. He is survived by his beloved wife Gladys, a brother Alvin P. Johnson, and five children: (1) Laura Ruth Marthas, (2) Linda Knoblet, (3) Donald Johnson, (4) Elizabeth Basle, and (5) John Johnson. His father and mother, William Andrew Johnson and Ida Crouse Johnson, are deceased, as are his three brothers Albert B. Johnson, William H. Johnson, and Calvin B. Johnson.
According to Science & Mechanics, Johnson was and is directly connected with (and responsible for) more than 30 patents in significant chemistry and physics apparatuses and processes.
Howard graduated from the Christopher Gist High School in Pound in 1940. From there he attended Scarritt College in Nashville and obtained an AB degree in 1943, and then did three years of graduate work in those science areas that so interested him. In the U.S. Navy in WW II, he developed a better system for coding and decoding. It was accepted by the Navy and patented; and it is still highly classified. As the director of Howard Johnson Electrostatics & Electronics from 1948 to 1950, he developed a new painless electromagnetic hypodermic and invented an electrostatic dispersal unit for the microtome (a medical machine used for slicing imbedded tissues to put on slides for microscopic diagnosis). As an Engineer in the Experimental Reactor Division of the Atomic Energy Commission in Oak Ridge Tennessee from 1950 to 1952, he developed pump seals for 1500° F and two lubricants for this temperature. From 1952 to 1958, as the Director of Electronics & Electrostatics, Inc. he developed switches and also new methods of silencing various types of equipment, for the CIA and the U.S. Military. He also produced and delivered 100,000 units to outboard customers, including several highly classified products, in 18 months. One of his ceramic mufflers renders a motor-generator silent at about 50 feet; this is a production unit and well tested. He has produced classified mufflers for small motors, e.g., that render a chain saw's motor "silent to the listener's ear" at about 12 to 15 feet.
From 1958 to 1960 he was the Director of Research at Sorrells Johnson Corp. From 1960 to 1966 he was a consultant and also directed his own research laboratory. From 1966 to 1968 he was a chemistry instructor at Cedarville College, Cedarville, Ohio.
From 1968 to 1972 he was a Senior Research Chemist in the Research Division of Kelsey Hayes Corp. Here he developed a new type of 92 pole permanent magnet generator and also developed non-locking brake materials for automobiles and motorcycles.
From 1972 until his death in 2008 he was the Director of Research & Development for his own company, the Permanent Magnet Research Institute in Blacksburg, Virginia. There he was very noted for his work to attain asymmetric and thus finally self-powering permanent magnet systems, experimenting with hundreds of designs and build-ups and with several very novel but legitimate magnetic effects that do provide the necessary broken symmetry in the magnetic assemblies themselves. One such little known but useful highly asymmetric effect is the evocation of the exchange force violent magnetic pulse in materials, producing a sudden, momentary magnetic field which may two or three hundred times as strong as the normal magnetic field being used. Several of his magnetic motor approaches used the self-evoking of this pulsed very strong exchange force to momentarily overcome the back mmf region magnetic force field, thus producing a self-rotating asymmetric permanent magnet motor.
For many years, Howard worked closely with Professor William Harrison and his associates at Virginia Polytechnic Institute there in Blacksburg, Virginia. Professor Harrison developed mathematical modeling and detailed computerized measuring of the specially shaped magnetic fields surrounding Johnson's asymmetric magnets and their movements. This was a valuable help to Johnson in optimizing and testing his experimental designs.
In any permanent magnet motor or propulsion unit, it is the broken symmetry created in the magnetic fields of the magnets that provides the propulsive power. We may either put in a coil or some such and then "pay" for the energy pulsing ourselves, necessary to break that symmetry in the back mmf region. Or, we may utilize some of nature's asymmetry mechanisms to get the materials themselves to freely furnish that broken symmetry at the precise timing and in the precise direction to momentarily overcome and eliminate the back mmf.  In that case, the motor shaft and flywheel accelerates in the forward mmf zone, and does not decelerate in the usual back mmf zone because that zone either has been zeroed or even reversed momentarily. So the shaft and flywheel gain free extra angular momentum (energy x time) on every rotation, and a drag load can then be added to the shaft to decelerate the shaft and flywheel back to "normal", thus being freely powered by the free angular momentum transferred to the load.
My personal friend and close colleague Ken Moore professionally and independently measured one of Howard's propulsive gates here in Huntsville, and meticulously verified its "free propulsive kick" that Johnson had successfully obtained.
While it does not appear in the terribly flawed classical electrical engineering (put together in the 1880s and then arbitrarily symmetrized in 1892 by Lorentz, to eliminate all Johnson-type asymmetric systems), since 1957 and the award of the Nobel Prize to Lee and Yang for their prediction of widespread broken symmetry in physics, we have known that every dipole (e.g., a magnet with separated north and south poles) is a broken symmetry. And as Nobelist Lee states, when we have a broken symmetry, then something previously virtual has become observable. So the broken symmetry of a magnetic dipole freely absorbs virtual photon energy from its ongoing seething interaction with the active virtual state vacuum, coherently sums the successive virtual excitations to the quantum level, and then re-emits a real observable photon - real, usable EM energy, that has been extracted from the seething vacuum. The automatic summation and quantal emission process is ongoing and iterative, so any magnetic (or electrical) dipole continually extracts virtual energy from the active vacuum and outputs the energy as cohered quanta - real, usable, EM energy continuously and freely emitted from the source dipole.
The easiest way to prove this is to lay a charged capacitor or electret across a permanent magnet, so that the E-field of the electrical component is at right angles to the H-field of the magnet. Then by every conventional electrical engineering university textbook in its Poynting energy flow section, that silly gadget will sit there and freely and continuously pour out (emit) real Poynting energy flow S, given by the simple equation S = E ´ H. And if we just leave the simple gadget alone, it will continue to freely pour out real, usable EM energy until the end of time.
Yet there is no observable (quantal) EM energy being input to that device. There is instead the continuous input of virtual (subquantal) energy from the vacuum, and integration of the absorbed virtual state energy into the emitted observable energy. While this is totally outside normal electrical engineering (which erroneously assumes the vacuum to be inert), it is good "modern physics" as shown by Lee and Yang. Again, Nobelist Lee himself pointed out that, whenever we have such a broken symmetry, something virtual becomes observable.
The dipole and its broken symmetry do indeed obey the extended conservation of energy law. But the input energy is in virtual form (subquantal), while the output energy is in observable (quantal) form. But there is no creation of energy from "nothing" in the permissible free energy device.
The world-shackling electrical engineering problem is that, since the arbitrary Lorentz symmetrization of electrical engineering mathematical model in 1892, our electrical engineers have built only symmetrical overall systems - systems which use half their collected free quantal energy from the vacuum to destroy their own source dipolarity faster than they use part of the other half of the free "real EM energy from the vacuum" to power the loads. So to provide a proper "EM energy windmill" capable of (1)  separately intercepting and collecting part of that free EM energy wind from that permanent magnet and its crossed electret, and then (2)  separately dissipating this collected free energy in the loads to power them freely, one must build an asymmetric "EM energy windmill" system. And that is impossible by present electrical engineering standards which only prescribe and permit symmetrical EM systems.
So it is the severe crippling of our standard electrical engineering that is responsible for the world energy crisis and - if we ever wish to permanently and cleanly solve the energy crisis - then the classical EM model must be corrected and seriously updated to add back the asymmetrical Maxwellian systems presently arbitrarily discarded by Lorentz.
Johnson's epochal work was a very long example of his struggle to build just such long-neglected asymmetrical magnetic systems, which - permissibly - would then freely self-rotate and power the loads, continually and freely "energized" by virtual state energy freely received from the seething vacuum.
Howard had found several effects (notably the exchange force effect discussed in Nobelist Feynman's three volumes of sophomore physics) which could be evoked and, if evoked with sufficient controlled precision of timing and direction, each could break the symmetry of his magnetic propulsion gates and his rotating machines precisely so as to allow self-powering.
Sadly, the major problem that Howard had all those years was the lack of the very substantial funds necessary to afford high precision machining and cutting of his nonlinear magnets used to make asymmetric assemblies and to evoke the necessary asymmetric forces and pulses. So he personally cut his magnetic materials with a diamond saw himself, which meant that it was nearly impossible for him to attain the "couple thousandths of an inch" precision necessary for the exact timing and directional control of the desired "symmetry-breaking" effects to be evoked.
Nonetheless, he did succeed on at least two occasions. One of those successful self-rotating Johnson machines (in the 1970s) had his magnetic assemblies mounted on a crude "Lazy Susan" turntable. He brought the operating machine down to Huntsville for me to see and examine closely. And I personally played with that machine, with the stator magnet assembly rigidly C-clamped to the table, and the little turntable rotor and rotor magnet just went around and around, slowly but continuously for about two hours - continuously doing real, free work by physically displacing air and overcoming the friction resistance of the crude bearings.
On Howard's return to Blacksburg, very shortly a break-in occurred at his lab, and the only thing taken from the several hundred thousand dollars worth of assemblies, magnets, etc. was his successful rotary prototype device.
Howard's improvements on the early microtome were patented and are used in medical centers and clinics and at Johns Hopkins Hospital. His improvements on signal coding and decoding are still classified and in the capable hands of our U.S. military. His brake work and muffler work are also still in use.
For many years his major backer was a Blacksburg realtor, Mr. William Price. William also personally furnished Howard the basement of a nice brick farmhouse, in which to locate his laboratory and keep all his equipment and buildups. The sheer labor and large numbers of different kinds of buildups that Howard produced simply boggle the mind.
My own deep regret is that Howard never had the huge funds required to set up a highly skilled and professional team and pay them to do the necessary work and buildups in parallel, and to use very high precision machining of all his designs and parts. His asymmetric mechanisms were and are quite real and were and are consistent with modern physics - although they were and are understandably inconsistent with the hoary old seriously-flawed 1880s and 1890s symmetrized electrical engineering.
A few typical Howard Johnson patents are:
Johnson, Howard R., "Permanent Magnet Motor." U.S. Patent No. 4,151,431. Apr. 24, 1979.
 
Johnson, Howard R., "Magnetic Propulsion System," U.S. Patent No. 5,402,021. Mar. 28, 1995.
 
Johnson, Howard R., "Magnetic Force Generating Method and Apparatus," U.S. Patent No. 4,877,983, Oct. 31, 1989.
Johnson, Howard R., "Pulse Noise Reducer," U.S. Patent No. 3,838,749, Oct. 1, 1974.
Johnson, Howard R. "Muffler," U.S. Patent No. 3,779,339, Dec. 18, 1973.
Johnson, Howard R. "Muffler with plural side branch chambers." U.S. Patent No. 2,566,939, Sept. 1951.
Johnson, H. "Outboard motor air intake." U.S. Patent No. 2,914,133, Oct. 1959.
We also point out that in physics there are more than 200 named effects in magnetics. And only about half of them are understood. The other half range from "poorly understood a little bit" to "totally not understood at all". For many of these effects, I strongly suggest the latest edition of Cullity's original 1972 book. The new edition is B. D. Cullity and C. D. Graham, Introduction to Magnetic Materials, Wiley-IEEE Press, 2nd Edition, 2007. Howard Johnson used the original 1972 Cullity book for decades, and introduced me to it decades ago. The Cullity book gives these effects in very clear and simple manner, so the new user can readily understand and use them.
In finale, with Johnson's sad passing we have lost one of our great magnetics pioneers and researchers. He was a good and moral man, religious, devoted to his wife and family, and resoundingly liked by just about everyone who came to know him. He showed me so many new things, new principles, and effects that it made a profound difference in my personal orientation and in the direction I took after Howard became my friend and inspiration.
Our greatest condolences and deepest heartfelt sympathy go to Howard's family and his close associates. We are very conscious of your great loss, and the loss of a noble and highly inspiring human being. But as Howard so well knew, death is not the end, and it is my firm belief that he has gone on to a far better state and situation. To the end of my life I will strongly continue to treasure my many years of association with Howard, and to appreciate the many insights he gave me. He was a truly great researcher, a pioneer, and a great human being, and we are all forever saddened by his departure.
Most sincerely,
Tom Bearden
29 March 2008
 
 
 



Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: MagnaProp on October 30, 2015, 08:11:58 AM
Howard certainly appears to have been no slouch when it comes to real science. I'm curious why he never kept a working model of his permanent magnet motor on hand to show people that were interested. The patent is publicly available so the info isn't classified. It doesn't appear that he was trying to hide the info, so why no working model to show? Did he come up with the idea near the end of his life and just ran out of time to build a working model? I've seen several cases where the inventor simply ran out of time. Such a shame.
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: massive on October 30, 2015, 09:03:55 AM
Howard Johnson has working models and they are on the DVD
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: Acca on October 30, 2015, 10:47:57 AM
 Here is more clips about magnetic "VORTEX"...

........................and another man who wants 200 million for his "magnetmotor"

Acca...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd2IyoBl2ag (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd2IyoBl2ag)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-NiKVAJ8rU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-NiKVAJ8rU)

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Unbreakable Real "Extra free energy" next generation of magnets engines built by oren gertel   
 
Published on Aug 29, 2015
Crank wheel connection option with or without magnets,
 Machine speed causes the production of electricity by generators,
 Battery Charge option! Capacitor load option! And movement options!
 THIS IS Mechanical Sketches Demo VIDEO! Magnetic Fields IS Not Visible!!! There is many configurations that can do with this Ornithopter Engine That Invented & Patent by GERTEL OREN!
 The invention can be used for straight or boost engines, & rotation engines! You can use it for boat engines, Wings engine could also fly with wings! Economical use with no mechanical wear!! And for any purposeֱ... Scooter engines , bike engines, energy engines combined with vibration!-_-!
 My name is Oren Gertel and i build this magnets engine!! It's all for a better future in the energy sector soon! magnets and magnetic machines!! hard work was to build a machine like that! I do not try to hide anything in any of these invention! This "mechanical sketch" that can shows the capabilities of this engine in the future!!
 This Is The Ornithopter Engine
 This engine used battery and electric motor!
 For future use The system is the heart of some of the large system, the heart of the system is significant to run a big machine,By some few volts can operate the machine, and by so , can work long hours!! or days (2 stroke magnet engine! For example motors sketches!) Shows that can be moved by magnets without gears or belt or any connection! and use a small electric motor, and low power consumption and heavy crankshafts rotate high speed without any contact, Since there is no friction between the parts of the magnets and do not touch each other! No warming! not need gas gasoline or diesel ,only battery
 A machine that works with a huge magnetic force, Centrifugal force, a linear movement,Magnet crankshaft is not connected!
 After the examination, the value of this invention is $ 200 million ,
 If you decide to copy it making it possible that you pay the price of $ 200 million ,
 This engine Patented invention
 made by oren gertel
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Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: MileHigh on October 30, 2015, 11:28:15 PM
Well Acca....

I have stated over and over that there is no spinning vortex associated with a magnetic field.   I have asked you to explain your aquarium experiments with the swirling bubbles many times and you have refused to even acknowledge the question.  I have stated many times that an astute high school kid in his or her grade 12 physics class could figure it out for themselves if said student applied themselves and did the research.

So, please review the attached diagram.  After years of making your claims now is the time for you to really figure it out.  Please explain to us why you see a swirling vortex when you run your aquarium experiments.

MileHigh
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: Acca on October 31, 2015, 12:23:28 PM
Knock your self out !! 1963 go figure ??

Acca...
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: MileHigh on October 31, 2015, 05:07:10 PM
Acca:

That is not an explanation at all.  You just posted a pdf that has the term "magnetohydrodynamic vorticies" in it.  It has nothing to do with my question to you.

So please, explain why you get a vortice in the water when you do your aquarium tests.  The diagram that I posted is a huge hint.

MileHigh
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: Acca on November 01, 2015, 06:19:41 PM
Explanation of the spinning or rotating magnetvortex is self evident, you have nothing to offer me except to"egg me on" by bating me in to carrying on this useless debate with you.

I am posting this here as the web search engines look at this sight to add to their search(s).

.........and you thought that this is for you and other members here ? Sadly that is not so..

Acca..
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: MileHigh on November 01, 2015, 07:52:24 PM
Explanation of the spinning or rotating magnetvortex is self evident, you have nothing to offer me except to"egg me on" by bating me in to carrying on this useless debate with you.

I am posting this here as the web search engines look at this sight to add to their search(s).

.........and you thought that this is for you and other members here ? Sadly that is not so..

Acca..

No, the explanation is not self-evident.  You have to possess the most basic fundamental knowledge about magnetism.  If you don't possess this knowledge then you will be completely lost.

I sincerely hope that the search engines land on this thread in the first few hits so that we can clean up this misunderstanding once and for all and inject some truth and reality into you and into your followers.

Here is the question that you are not asking yourself:  What is the force on a current carrying wire in a magnetic field?

The answer is that it is the cross product between the current and the magnetic field.  That means that the force is at a right angle to the direction of the current and the direction of the magnetic field.  It's how an electric motor works.

Look at this clip and see the attached hand diagram:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fbhcdS328c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fbhcdS328c)

There is current flowing in the water.  There is a magnetic field in the water.

You can look at the water like thousands of wires carrying current, like a bunch of spaghetti strands all in parallel.  Each individual spaghetti strand of water will experience a force on it, and that force will make the spaghetti strand move.  The forces form a vortex because of the geometry between the direction of the current flow and the direction of the magnetic field.  See the attached diagram.

There is no "magnetic field vortex," that's complete nonsense.  What there is is force on the water in the form of a vortex because of the interaction between the magnetic field produced my the magnet and the direction of the current flow in the water.

MileHigh
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: MileHigh on November 02, 2015, 08:24:25 AM
Top view:
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: Acca on November 02, 2015, 02:11:38 PM
 Magnetvortex videos..Showing Water tornado under water with "No spin where is only an iron slug"..
SHOCKING VIDEOS !!!

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd2IyoBl2ag (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd2IyoBl2ag)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAl1LVPbYhY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAl1LVPbYhY)
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaMf1aq6Njg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaMf1aq6Njg)

Acca..
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Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: Acca on November 02, 2015, 02:26:09 PM
 Tornado Unter Wasser Viktor Schauberger Vortex Spin Bonn Germany  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1TnGGeeP0I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1TnGGeeP0I)
 
 Acca.. made videos..[/font]
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: MileHigh on November 02, 2015, 06:58:28 PM
Acca:

You are trying to do a zombie walk but the problem is that Halloween is over.  So you can't just walk past my postings like a zombie and pretend that you don't see them.

When you are learning about magnetism, the simple concept is "the force on a current-carrying wire in a magnetic field."  That's simpler and easier to understand.  Yes indeed, it is the Lorentz force.

You say, "Lorentz deflection is missing where there is no magnet!!"  - NO KIDDING - there is not supposed to be any Lorentz force when you remove the magnet.

Then you say, "MAGNETS HAVE A SPIN VORTEX!" - NO THAT'S WRONG - a simple analysis of the geometry of the setup shows that the water forms a vortex because of the Lorentz forces on the current-carrying water.

In your aquarium tests, a thin tube of water that has current flowing through it is equivalent to a current-carrying wire.  It's as simple as that and there is no such thing as a "spin vortex" associated with a magnet.

MileHigh
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: Acca on November 03, 2015, 02:56:38 PM
Here is PROOF TO ALL FORUM MEMBERS THAT MAGNETISM IS NOT  WHAT YOU BEEN TOLD !!!

Ken Wheeler wrote:

http://kathodos.com/magnetismsmall.pdf (http://kathodos.com/magnetismsmall.pdf)[/font]

Of all the types of people who have ever lived, there are only four types of gatekeepers of the mind.

1. The gatekeeper of the mind which lets in everything, this is the most common type in the world.

2. The gatekeeper of the mind which lets in nothing, this is the second most common type; of those that are sure they are right, and all  others are wrong.

3. The gatekeeper of the mind which lets in those things it likes or agrees with and not those things it does not like or agree with, even if those things are true and wise. This is the third most common type.

4. The gatekeeper of the mind which judges things as wise and logical, and lets those things in, and judges things as unwise and irrational and bars them from entry into the mind. This type of gatekeeper of the mind is the most sublime and rare. Open minds are only good up to a point at which nonsense, lies, and irrational chaos is allowed to enter.

Closed minds are only good up to a point where things wise and true are barred entry. At this point we must agree that wholly open minds are bad, and wholly closed minds are equally as bad.


“If you were to tell someone close to you that ‘there is utterly no such thing as magnetic attraction’, they would inquire as to your
medication or wonder what the punch line is.

The very premise, from countless thousands of years past to the present, as evidenced from ‘magnets’ accelerating nails, iron bits, and ferrous objects to the ‘magnet’, and ‘opposite poles attracting/accelerating towards each other’, is as deeply ingrained in the human consciousness as the Sun rising in the East every morning.

The ancient lie, this perceptual titanic error is as innate as breathing. As is the case, all attraction (and ‘repulsion’) is governed by dielectricity, not magnetism, which is the ‘dielectric field’ -Faraday, which in discharging, is the radiation Ether-modality we call magnetism.
 That magnetism is reaching out in space is not in question, however radiation only displaces things, as in the case of magnetism, causes an inductive reaction at the interatomic magneto-dielectric of ferrous objects, thereby causing dielectric coherency from magnetic displacement and resultant acceleration to the ‘magnet’ as the act of dielectric voidance.

Radiation attracts nothing. Soon you will find out the simplex nature of the “magnet” which is powered by dielectric coherency (either I.D.C. induced dielectric coherency, or I.D.C.C. induced dielectric capacitance and coherency) and likewise you will have a clear, lucid, logical, coherent, proved understanding of magnets and magnetism that explains all observed phenomena of same” -

That the term ‘magnet’ comes from, in earliest times, the word for ‘magic’ can tell you 5000 years of the fascination of humanity into,
not magnets specifically, but their fields and action at a distance -

Acca...

p.s.

Ken Wheeler is THE GREATEST DISCOVERER of MAGNETISM !!!

and ..  a post  that says this : ....."Then you say, "MAGNETS HAVE A SPIN VORTEX!" - NO THAT'S WRONG"  by MileHigh ( this forum member)

Here above is a "typical comment from a brain washed citizen" who really is convinced the he is really right and will try to debate through pictures and force that he is right.. A type of a religious mind set the will NOT change and that type of a mindset only can be removed by re-education like what they do in psychological hospitals (mental wards)..

Don't let these TYPE of citizens bully you to their side as they have a very convincing "scientific dogmatic support" by the way WRONG Too.. 

Scientists are the biggest brainwashed citizens of them ALL... Not all just majority of them !!!
Title: Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
Post by: MileHigh on November 03, 2015, 04:57:37 PM
Acca:

So, clearly you are unable to make a technical argument to advance your proposition.  I will simply repeat that what you are observing is simply a normal thing, magnetic fields will put force on a wire that has current flowing through it.  The wire in this case is made of water, go figure.  This is simple basic Magnetics 101 that any astute high school student would understand after doing the research.  You make claims in your clips that "science doesn't understand this" when nothing could be further from the truth.  You are the person that does not understand what you are observing when you run your tests.  I just explained it to you in detail yet you are acting like your own worst gatekeeper.

"3. The gatekeeper of the mind which lets in those things it likes or agrees with and not those things it does not like or agree with, even if those things are true and wise."

The philosophical musings that you posted to "rebut" what I stated are really about you, not me.

MileHigh