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Author Topic: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field  (Read 37190 times)

Offline MileHigh

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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #45 on: September 22, 2015, 08:29:24 PM »
There is actually no such thing as a "north pole" and a "south pole."  They simply don't exist in real life.

"North pole" and "south pole" are nothing more than naming conventions to make it easier to discuss magnets and practical applications for magnets.

You don't believe me?

You have a long long straight wire with one amp of DC current flowing through it.   We know that there is a magnetic field around the wire due to the current flow.

So, for the case of the long straight wire, where is the north pole and where is the south pole?

I know that it seems counter-intuitive, but you just have to think about it for a while.  You can clearly see that there is a "north pole" on one end of a bar magnet and a "south pole" on the other end.  But then when you look at the example of the long straight wire, there is no way of defining a "north pole" and a "south pole."   So how do you resolve these two seemingly contradictory things?

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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #46 on: September 22, 2015, 10:30:24 PM »
There is actually no such thing as a "north pole" and a "south pole."  They simply don't exist in real life.

"North pole" and "south pole" are nothing more than naming conventions to make it easier to discuss magnets and practical applications for magnets.

You don't believe me?

You have a long long straight wire with one amp of DC current flowing through it.   We know that there is a magnetic field around the wire due to the current flow.

So, for the case of the long straight wire, where is the north pole and where is the south pole?

I know that it seems counter-intuitive, but you just have to think about it for a while.  You can clearly see that there is a "north pole" on one end of a bar magnet and a "south pole" on the other end.  But then when you look at the example of the long straight wire, there is no way of defining a "north pole" and a "south pole."   So how do you resolve these two seemingly contradictory things?

I agree with your statements.

It depends on which direction the observer is facing when looking at the wire or magnet.

e.g a transparent clock spins clockwise when you are facing and counter clockwise when viewed from behind.

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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #47 on: September 22, 2015, 11:08:31 PM »
...these are one pole magnetic iron rods with a very very weak pole on one side...
I agree. This might be similar to what MrTeslonian is experiencing. His weak pole might be in the center and thus hard to detect. May prove useful, thanks.

...for the case of the long straight wire, where is the north pole and where is the south pole?...
I currently subscribe to the Ed Leedskalnin notion of magnetism as well as a few other ideas I've seen on how magnetism can reciprocate in an open system. For the wire scenario, cut a loop of wire so the ends are exposed and the magnets in the wire will bunch up at the ends creating stronger poles there. This is because magnets/electricity doesn't like to go through air as Ed mentions in his book.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCQoKacd9JU

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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #48 on: September 23, 2015, 04:11:28 PM »
I think the concept that Ed Leedskalnin refers to as "magnetic current" is simply what is conventionally called "magnetic flux."  Magnetic fields and the associated magnetic flux come from moving charges (electrons or protons) and likewise moving charges come from magnetic fields.  The second part explains how a Joule Thief works.

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This is because magnets/electricity doesn't like to go through air as Ed mentions in his book.

This is an indirect reference to permeability.  It's important to understand both permittivity and permeability and how the nature of different atoms and molecules can affect their measured values.

Once you understand these basics then the so-called "Leedskalnin's perpetual motion holder" is easily explainable and not all that interesting.  Yes, it is almost perpetual, but "motion" is a misnomer.

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« Reply #49 on: September 23, 2015, 09:11:54 PM »
I think the concept that Ed Leedskalnin refers to as "magnetic current" is simply what is conventionally called "magnetic flux."...
I agree with this but Ed didn't believe in the electron part so I'm not sure about those. Might be quantum quackery?


...Once you understand these basics then the so-called "Leedskalnin's perpetual motion holder" is easily explainable and not all that interesting.  Yes, it is almost perpetual, but "motion" is a misnomer.
I'm very interested in his PMH. He mentions in his book that he has filed a patent for a generator, which I have never seen anyone find, and he mentioned in another part that he built a device that put out a small amount of power. I believe it was perpetual power. Lasersaber has been able to tap into some of it which I think is only the beginning of what the device can do.

https://youtu.be/S_ssUTRbRRs

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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #50 on: September 24, 2015, 12:28:45 AM »
I suspect there is another process taking place that explains the digital and analog meter measurements in that clip.

When you put the probes of a digital multimeter between your thumb and forefinger of your left and right hands you can measure a voltage when the multimeter is set on the most sensitive scale.  Why is that?

It's possible that your body is picking up 50 or 60 Hz hum from the electrical wiring.  You can easily see that on a scope or hear it when you touch the input of an audio amplifier.

But let's look more carefully at very small DC voltage and current measurements.  You have the multimeter probes in each hand and you can sometimes see a small DC voltage or current.

The surface of your skin is salty and the tips of your fingers are covered in what we call "finger grease."   So you can easily create a very weak chemical battery due to the salty finger grease on your fingers when you hold the two probes between the thumb and forefinger of each hand.

Here is what Lasersaber may be setting up in his experiment:

<probe metal> <salty finger grease #1> <dissimilar keeper metal> <salty finger grease #2> <probe metal>

That could very easily be a Count Volta chemical battery.

The big clue is that Lasersaber does not measure any voltage on the top and bottom of the keeper metal in the clip.  That's where there is much less finger grease.  But he does measure voltage on the inside and outside of the keeper metal.  That's where there is a lot of finger grease.

Where he made a mistake is to not try the same test without the keeper being energized.


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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #51 on: September 25, 2015, 08:24:21 PM »
Acca,your article about splitting water with magnets has an error in it.I did a similar experiment years ago.The two magnets I had were nickleplated magnet cubes.One eroded and the other did not.It meant that I had created a weak battery(about 1/10 volt).It turned out that the weak electric current could split some water with the magnetic field present.In your article the magnet poles were made of soft iron and a wire connects them shorting them out and allowing a weak current to flow.Looks like a battery to me.I have done tests making same metal electrodes for batteries and find that most of the time the same metal is disimilar enough to generate a 1/10 V voltage.triffid

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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #52 on: September 26, 2015, 01:12:17 PM »
 Here is the duplication of Dr. Felix Ehrenhaft "MAGNET WATER SPLITTER"works with NO electricity ???

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u7L-J59iZw
 
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In March 1944, Radio-Craft published an article, "Magnetic Current --- Discovery of the Age?". It described the work of refugee scientist

Felix Ehrenhaft, Director of the Physics Institute, University of Vienna. Ehrenhaft believed that he had discovered particles with a

one-pole magnetic charge (either N or S but not both). Ehrenhaft made a number of other experiments that supported his hypothesis.

Unfortunately one of the most dramatic ones --- indicating that water could be decomposed magnetically --- went wrong. It was

absolutely unrepeatable. The professor was tremendously embarrassed, and to some extent withdrew from public discussion, carrying

on his experimental work in the semi-seclusion of Manhattan College.

He returned to his post in Vienna after the war, and some of his later work was published in French and other scientific journals. He died
 not so long after.





http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-Radio-Craft/1940s/Radio-Craft-1944-03.pdf

 
on page 14 of this document.


Publications by Felix Ehrenhaft
"Photophoresis and the Influence upon it of Electric and Magnetic fields", Philosophical. Mag. 11 (1931),140-146
"Physical and Astronomical information Concerning Particles of the Order of Magnitude of the Wavelength of Light", J. Franklin Institute, vol 230: 381-393 (Sept. 1940)
( and Banet, Leo): "Is there a true magnetism or not", Philosophy of. Science 8 (1941), 458-462
"Stationary Electric and Magnetic Fields in Beams of Light", Nature 147: 25 (Jan. 4, 1941).
"Photophoresis and Its Interpretation by Electric and Magnetic Ions", J. Franklin Institute, vol 233 (March 1942), pp. 235-255.
"The Magnetic Current", Science 94: 232-233 (Sept 5, 1941).
(and Banet, Leo): "The Magnetic Ion", Science 96: 228-229 (Sept. 4, 1942).
"The Magnetic Current in Gases", Physical Review 61: 733 (1942).
"Decomposition of Matter Through the Magnet (Magnetolysis)", Physical Review 63: 216 (1943).
"Magnetolysis and the Electric Field Around the Magnetic Current", Physical Review 63: 461-462 (1943).
"Further Facts Concerning the magnetic Current", Physical Review 64: 43 (1943).
"New Experiments about the Magnetic Current", Physical Review 65: 62-63 (1944).
"Continuation of Experiments with the Magnetic Current", Physical Review 65: 256 (1944).
"The Decomposition of Water by the So-Called Permanent Magnet...", Physical Review 65: 287-289 (May 1944).
 "The Magnetic Current", Nature 154: 426-427 (Sept. 30, 1944) [/font]

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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #53 on: September 27, 2015, 10:49:54 AM »
Here are two more video clips from me.   About a magnetvortex and gas bubbles attracted to the ploe of the magnet.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEM6CM7aRNk
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAVWlyMrjX4
 
Here is the impossible article from 1944 headline:
 
 Magnetic Current Discovery of the Age ?
 
 "Electrical science may well be on the verge of a new era; an age in which magnetism will duplicate or exceed the

advances of current electricity. The action of magnetic particles in a strong field, movement of electrically-charged

BUBBLES OF GAS SPIRALLY around a magnetic field set up in a liquid, and above all, the decomposition of water by

magnetism, prove that such discoveries are, and what their effects may be, only the future can tell. "
 
 Radio Craft Electronics magazine March 1944 by Fred Shunman
 see page 11 and page 14 main article.
 
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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #54 on: October 03, 2015, 05:20:41 PM »
Acca,I have been doing some more thinking on the water splitting process with magnets.Looking back I used a plastic screen to hold my cube magnets apart.I got bubbles after a few days(4 or 5).One magnet got badly corroded.Once I realized I had a weak battery I quit the experiment.But NOW i realize more may have happening than I realized.I did not have a huge amount of gas released.Just had a few bubbles. I never had it tested.But now I realise I was getting bubbles at about .1 volts.  1.2 volts is what brute force electroylsis requires.Since h2 gas is repelled by a magnetic field.That could also help explain why your intial video said mostly h2 gas was found?At least 80%?Now the amount of gas released was small(in my experiment).I recently learned that the element carbon is magnetic.Maybe carbon electrodes could help the process?

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« Reply #55 on: October 14, 2015, 04:20:45 PM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-ionization_of_water   Water tends to break apart at a certain rate at room temperature(and then recombine).Maybe a strong enough magnetic field will keep some of it from recombining?triffid


The self-ionization of water (also autoionization of water, and autodissociation of water) is an ionization reaction in pure water or an aqueous solution, in which a water molecule, H2O,deprotonates (loses the nucleus of one of its hydrogen atoms) to become a hydroxide ion, OH. The hydrogen nucleus, H+, immediately protonates another water molecule to form hydronium. It is an example of autoprotolysis, and exemplifies the amphoteric nature of water.

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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #56 on: October 15, 2015, 01:31:16 PM »
http://overunity.com/1012/hho-watergas-very-low-power-water-electrolysis/dlattach/attach/1438/

[/font]Ruggero Santilli has called "A New Gaseous form of water", which is said to be magnecules, or atoms of H and O bound by magnetism. It roughly puts 6 times more energy in the form of HHO gas than the electric energy input (gives 30 Kw in the form of gas, or 2 pounds of a 50.000 btu/ pound HHO gas, for each 5 Kw consumed), which is good but would not let much room for overunity with a 20% efficient internal combustion engine.
 
 If you don't believe me, I attached the Santilli paper about HHO Gas (Santilli worked with Denny Klein for the patent application for this device).
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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #58 on: October 17, 2015, 04:11:10 AM »
Here is the duplication of Dr. Felix Ehrenhaft "MAGNET WATER SPLITTER"works with NO electricity ???
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Looks good to me! Thanks for sharing. Wish I had the 7 figs to give ya.

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« Reply #59 on: October 17, 2015, 05:46:24 AM »
Looks good to me! Thanks for sharing. Wish I had the 7 figs to give ya.

World saved!  All that we need are magnets and then we can use the hydrogen and oxygen to produce just about any kind of energy we want for next to nothing.  Amazing!  Splitting water with no energy cost to do it, just magnets!  The production of electricity will be too cheap to meter.

 

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