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Author Topic: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field  (Read 36929 times)

Offline FatBird

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----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« on: January 25, 2015, 02:32:48 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afQW8FT02DM

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Offline tinman

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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2015, 03:06:10 PM »
Wait for it ;)

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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2015, 03:17:56 PM »



  When you have two entities it could be one, the other or both,
                John.

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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2015, 03:17:56 PM »
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Offline tinman

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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2015, 03:33:03 PM »
It is interesting that one pole causes the plasma to curl in one direction,and the opposite pole causes the plasma to curl in the opposite direction.
I wonder what would happen if you place two magnets side by side with opposite polarities against the side of the glass :D

darn-there is that figure 8 again.

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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2015, 07:13:24 PM »
The demonstration shows that charged particles making up the current-carrying plasma follow curved paths in a magnetic field. It does NOT provide "PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field"; the title of this thread is Yet Another misrepresentation by someone who seems to delight in misrepresenting the work of others.

http://cnx.org/contents/a66a7a2a-4d91-4887-8c5f-3757971a23b5@2/Force_on_a_Moving_Charge_in_a_

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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2015, 07:13:24 PM »
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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2015, 07:16:16 PM »
It is interesting that one pole causes the plasma to curl in one direction,and the opposite pole causes the plasma to curl in the opposite direction.
I wonder what would happen if you place two magnets side by side with opposite polarities against the side of the glass :D

darn-there is that figure 8 again.

Rather a different figure 8 than the other times you have mentioned it, though.

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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2015, 07:58:33 PM »
Wait for it ;)

Tinman:

So by your comment above I am assuming that you are saying, "Wait for the know-it-alls to come and shoot this down."   The problem is why aren't YOU shooting this down?

When you look at what is being discussed here, we are back to this issue:  Do you understand the most basic basic fundamentals about electricity and magnetism?   (This is a generic "you") Because clearly if you don't understand them, then you are handicapped and simply can't function properly when it comes to electronics.   It makes me think of that EEVblog clip about a Joule Thief design.  The guy who made the clip being analysed stated that he had been researching this stuff for 16 years.  Yet that very same guy was so stupid that he claimed that a wire going through the centers of five ferrite toroids was not an inductor.  He made many other basic mistakes and it makes you wonder what in the hell this guy has been doing for 16 years.  So the guy claiming free energy that has been studying for "16 years" gets sliced to pieces by the EEVblog guy and also in the EEVblog thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoqF3gjLIyI

FatBird is in the same boat here.  Failure to think.  If you (generic) don't know that a charged particle moving in a magnetic field will trace out a circular path, and you have been on a forum that talks about electronics for years, then your ignorance becomes stupidity.

Here, let's have a bozo-busting mini-marathon about this subject:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdh2srqH57M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w41Zijsv46o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcVzfTAK8fk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG2aQUD8xt0

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It is interesting that one pole causes the plasma to curl in one direction,and the opposite pole causes the plasma to curl in the opposite direction.
I wonder what would happen if you place two magnets side by side with opposite polarities against the side of the glass (http://overunity.com/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)

darn-there is that figure 8 again.

One more time, you are failing to describe what you are talking about with sufficient information.  Who the hell really knows what, "place two magnets side by side with opposite polarities against the side of the glass" means except you.  There are all sorts of orientations that will satisfy your incomplete description.   Perhaps you will get a figure-eight, perhaps not.  With incomplete information I can't speculate.  I don't even know why you are saying "again."  The only figure-eights that come to mind right now are the Kenny/Chris "Bloch wall with some unknown undefined bar magnet field pattern that looks like a figure-eight."  The problem of course is that is deluded nonsense.

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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2015, 12:19:28 AM »
So the guy claiming free energy that has been studying for "16 years" gets sliced to pieces by the EEVblog guy and also in the EEVblog thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoqF3gjLIyI
I watch Dave's blog regularly and I saw that video yesterday.  I liked the energy analysis, but I noticed that he made a mistake relating to the impedance of that inductor, since inductors are current sources and they have high output impedances.

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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2015, 12:19:28 AM »
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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2015, 12:42:59 AM »
I watch Dave's blog regularly and I saw that video yesterday.  I liked the energy analysis, but I noticed that he made a mistake relating to the impedance of that inductor, since inductors are current sources and they have high output impedances.

Great catch Verpies.  I thought that some of the stuff said was on a bit of shaky ground but I didn't want to split hairs and the video was simply too long for me to watch.  The old saying about nobody being perfect.

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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2015, 12:53:29 AM »
I watch Dave's blog regularly and I saw that video yesterday.  I liked the energy analysis, but I noticed that he made a mistake relating to the impedance of that inductor, since inductors are current sources and they have high output impedances.
He made several mistakes, but none of them critical.  He kind of fumbled when describing the inductor switching mechanics, but his overall statements were close enough.

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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2015, 12:53:29 AM »
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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2015, 12:57:46 AM »

MileHigh
OK-whats with this sever error crap all the time here,now i have to go write this out all over again :'(

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So by your comment above I am assuming that you are saying, "Wait for the know-it-alls to come and shoot this down."   The problem is why aren't YOU shooting this down?
Lol-right on cue.
I dont have to shoot it down MH,you guys do a much better job.

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When you look at what is being discussed here, we are back to this issue:  Do you understand the most basic basic fundamentals about electricity and magnetism?   (This is a generic "you") Because clearly if you don't understand them, then you are handicapped and simply can't function properly when it comes to electronics
Lol,nothing like a good laugh to start the day off ;D

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FatBird is in the same boat here.  Failure to think.  If you (generic) don't know that a charged particle moving in a magnetic field will trace out a circular path, and you have been on a forum that talks about electronics for years, then your ignorance becomes stupidity.
MH,what about the rest of the explanantion-the right hand ruel and all,that explains as to why it starts the trace one way with the north field,and the other way with the south field :o

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Here, let's have a bozo-busting mini-marathon about this subject:
This should be a hoot :D

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One more time, you are failing to describe what you are talking about with sufficient information.  Who the hell really knows what, "place two magnets side by side with opposite polarities against the side of the glass" means except you.  There are all sorts of orientations that will satisfy your incomplete description.   Perhaps you will get a figure-eight, perhaps not.  With incomplete information I can't speculate.  I don't even know why you are saying "again."

Time for that space shuttle refit ;D
Not to worry to much MH,as things seem to be going a little slow,i just decided to slip in the figure 8 there-->just to speed things up a little ;)--worked a treat dont ya think?

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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2015, 01:10:17 AM »
Text from Jerry Bayles on "Tornado Dynamics":

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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2015, 11:35:44 AM »
Hello,  ted thanks for the video of the aquarium vortex link and thanks to fatbird for baiting Milesoo..High.. he lacks oxygen.... btw.. most of all the underwater clips are mine.. ha ha ha... Yeah.. only permanent magnets have a vortex spin on both ends..  I just don't have the time to waste here trying to explain my self as the resident experts will tell you are full of shi**... 

Acca... 

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Re: ----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2015, 12:03:51 PM »
Hello,  ted thanks for the video of the aquarium vortex link and thanks to fatbird for baiting Milesoo..High.. he lacks oxygen.... btw.. most of all the underwater clips are mine.. ha ha ha... Yeah.. only permanent magnets have a vortex spin on both ends..  I just don't have the time to waste here trying to explain my self as the resident experts will tell you are full of shi**... 

Acca...

Acca:

Those clips I linked to covered some basic fundamentals about how moving charges (current) interact with a magnetic field that you may have never even considered in your life.  I also seriously doubt you have considered the direction of the current flow in the water.  For what it's worth, the current flow could be mapped out using curvilinear cubes.  I also seriously doubt that you have tried to visualize how the current flowing in the water crosses the magnetic field lines in the water.

Now, if you understood the basic fundamentals, and you understood roughly what direction the current was flowing in the area around the magnet, and then you "cross" that with the toroidal shape of the magnetic field from the magnet.....  <drum roll>.... Then you would conclude that the current flow crossing the lines of magnetic flux will exert a force on the water that will make the water spin in a spiral.  In other words, just like what you see in the video with the "plasma mug."

When I saw your clips a few years ago, I crunched the observed geometry and using the basic fundamentals about how moving charges interact with a magnetic field and concluded that it made perfect sense to see the water forming a vortex because of the forces generated when the current flow does a cross-product with the magnetic field lines.  It tool me about a minute to figure this out.

So, what that means is that what you are looking at is perfectly normal.  There is no "vortex" associated with the magnetic field.  You are simply observing something perfectly normal, not understanding it, and then leading yourself down a garden path by inventing a false explanation for what you are observing.   In other words, it couldn't be any worse for you, and your whole pitch is 100% wrong.

MileHigh

 

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