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Title: Wheel vs. lever...
Post by: iacob alex on September 25, 2006, 02:49:34 AM
...can be a Delphic,ambiguous,not well undestood main way "pointer",  that can be used when we think and try to imagine "something  self moving" know...About wheel-symbol we know a lot,but about lever?Basic mechanics is lever,the wheel comes ...after.Simply,the weighing machines as mechanical devices for comparing two masses in gravity,acts as levers,not as wheels.A wheel is an evoluated lever concept,but his summary equivalent is a lever also.A weighing machine it's a comparison ,a setting side by side device that plays gravity to mesure mass in gravity.So,if we want an ever unbalancing weighing machine,let's unbalance them in some manner so to keep on turning:vibrational(decreasing balancing) mood transformed in an acceleration mood.A gravity "squatting" pair of torque on a slightly modified weighing machine.You can begin with a steelyard:a fulcrum,a stick and a sliding mass, as the old Roman balance.A simply game.All the Bests!/ Inertial Sailor
Title: Re: Wheel vs. lever...
Post by: lancaIV on September 25, 2006, 03:07:43 AM
Hello "sailor" -without haven",
The ,now death,german inventor Bierner DE3621312
and the british inventor Frederick A. Knapp GB365209
used the wheel/lever-principle !

Probably an idea-"to find your haven"!

With best wishes
                       de Lanca
Title: Wheel versus lever...
Post by: iacob alex on September 25, 2006, 06:51:08 AM the real problem.So, vs.=versus,you can find in "Webster's Dictionary" as "in contest against,in contrast with,by way of alternative to...". The  problem,introduced at this forum topic, was "wheel vs.lever",or lever in comparison(facing,in exchange for,opposite to,contrarly to...) with wheel.Most people think(or dream) about  "something" as a self-turning wheel due to gravity.Few people,as I know Bessler only,designed and accomplished a different concept:a lot of unequally levers that balance in a certain manner on the spokes of a wheel,so that this one is self-moving in the and owing to gravity.So history tell us and Prof. Evert(   ) explains in a so clearly,inteligible german thinking manner (text,drawings,animations) this case:wheel and lever(s) concept.Now,our friend, de Lanca ,I have a question:you know about Knapp and Bierner...what were  their concept?Wheel(1),wheel -lever(2) or lever(3)?My proposal was "lever only"!By the way,as an "old sailor" I have some sheltered ancorages,safe waters...Smile!All the Bests!/Alex
Title: Gravity on the rack...
Post by: iacob alex on September 25, 2006, 10:10:16 PM
...seems to be this wheel concept on our endeavour to imagine a gravity power pulling out mechanism,device.Really ,the gravity,this natural rush,overflow,cascade is setted in a very "difficult" situation when "meets" our wheel type arrangements,a kind of no more that stable balancing "traps"...useless regarding to our expectations.Gravity "rapids" property has no time to manifest his impetus(m*v):we have the balancing  mass(es) on a comparating tool,as usually  ,but with no velocity.The outcome is no impetus.It's a weighing machine,nothing more,a failed "start" for a self turning mechanism.A proposal,a solution can be to set free impetus,thinking about an other,unlike  aspect of the weighing mass,comparator.As in electricity we need that momentary surge in one direction of voltage or current,in mechanics we demand for that "unseen in the air" change in momentum effected by gravity about a mass,by the TIME during which it acts.So,let's free the gravity momentum... can it be a manner to understand clearly,to achieve a turning gravity "waver"?Who knows?Usually we understand what we know,only.That's normal in our transitory life:a patient attention ask for time...All the Bests!/Alex
Title: Rolling on a spot...
Post by: iacob alex on September 26, 2006, 11:45:46 PM
...that old  "dream" of mechanics, is a little like the swing sets you might remember from our springtime of life.Swing gives us an emotional,sympathetic contemplation to this gravity...all life we live in,a feeling of a kind of real an amazing, ineffable,beyond words medium,environment... but in a controlled manner however.You can play pendulum,alone or lever,with a playmate:you pump your legs,so to increase the height of the swing's arc(you can make it as a circle...with some bravery,tenacity),that's all.Simply thinking,it's  like we charge-discharge ourself with "something".In fact ,we perform a lever concept:a fulcrum,a bar ,setting side by side in comparison two masses:one "fixed" and one "mobile".If we can swing "on the spot" , why not imagine a lever rolling in the same pattern, pumping some "leg"?I said rolling,so for a full round,circular "trip"...we ask for some help(impetus) in a line  that falling power>lifting use up.That motion of "pumping legs" can be transfigurated,reconstructed in a "pumping lever",or playing elementary mechanics.Gravity exibits in a restrictive path:downward only.We can fall in many ways,inclusively on an inclined plane.If we want a self-pumping alike motion, regarding a swing-lever style,let's place the moving mass on an inclined plane ,so that at the bottom position,it falls to the fulcrum(brings about the short arm R1) and at the top position,it falls from the fulcrum(brings about the long arm R3).This switching mass M1(and arm) has a  fixed arm companion mass M2,positionated   at R2 from the fulcrum and R1<R2<R3 , M1=M2.Now,can we have a rolling lever on the spot?Can we make it self?Let's hope!All the Bests!/Alex
Title: Pendular beings...
Post by: iacob alex on September 28, 2006, 01:04:09 AM
...creatures,animals,human beings is a far away,general viewing regarding the change of place,movement on our Earth.The inverted pendulum on a surface,flapping motion in the air,undulating pendulum in the water.During walking,the inverted pendulum equivalent of our mass-body ,moves like a kind  of a "sectorial wheel":with each step cicle,beteen two gravitational levels,some of the gravitational potential is converted into kinetic energy ,and then back.It's a walking pendulum .Energy transfer in a gravity environment is made in a pendular manner.Can it be a suggestion for our topic,in this "wheel vs. lever" dilemma?All the Bests!/Alex
Title: Pendular things...
Post by: iacob alex on September 28, 2006, 02:11:54 AM,devices,vehicles,gadgets can utilize ways and means to transfer a natural point of view regarding energy and transport(swinging,oscillating,wavering,unsteady,undulating  so many aspects,faces,properties of the same physical pendulum) to our understanding and use,applicability,serviceability and benefits.Try to think and see the inside pendular "skeleton design" of the world around you, at so many beings and things.As simple as possible can be a basis ,a groundwork to set up,build,assembly  our knowledge and mechanisms regarding the topic at this forum section.Considering  the choise(my dilemma...) "wheel vs.lever",my option is lever(counter-pendulum,Roman balance or steelyard slightly modified,bended).All the Bests!/Alex
Title: Accelerating twin lever...
Post by: iacob alex on September 30, 2006, 09:36:28 AM
...if we "remake"  the Poggendorf's classic lab-experience(and apparatus...):lever instead an Atwood machine.So,we will have a great lever with a fixed (2M+m) mass at one end ,and with a small free pivoting /rotating lever at the other end(as a replacement for the Atwood machine),loaded with the same (2M+m) mass.Usually this arrangement is stable.But ,supposing that we set the two diametrally positionated masses on the small lever,as (M+m) in the top position/(M) in the bottom position,we determine an unstable state not only for the small lever(let's say on the left arm of the great lever) ,but for both.So,the left arm of the great lever(supporting the pendular motion of the small lever),will move up.The system becomes accelerated due to gravity: a double fall chargeable to the same linear "g" ,this time variable acceleration ,owing to torque.Can this case generate a question "family of IF..." regarding our topic?Maybe.All the Bests!/Alex
Title: Re: Wheel vs. lever...again
Post by: iacob alex on December 01, 2006, 10:19:09 AM
Hi !  It can be a point  that, this forum takes into account the real success of Prof.Veljko Milkovic.This news, for a time, is old for people that have in mind a lever,not a wheel,as a possible "key" for "harvesting" gravity flow on an inertial frame("scenery"):this two stage mechanical oscillator, was presented and won a gold premium during the 2002 fair in Novi Sad(patented in 2001).Tesla was from the one and only country...The problem is that ,anyone can "fit" a lever and a pendulum in the same way,to "remake"  this "excess" energy device.The next step,you guess is a feedback...but ,in a final ,I bet:this will not be a "wheel",but a pendular lever  with a  store-restore energy system.The most important fact is that Prof.Milkovic ,with this "key" opens a wide vision regarding the interplay of action-reaction phenomena in mechanics, that of nonlinearity.The action has a so large meaning;you can "beat"/force or you can "sing"/oscillate a medium(air...),including inertia.Let's say that I am a dreamer,only.All the Bests!/Alex
Title: Re: Wheel vs. lever...
Post by: supersam on December 03, 2006, 02:37:48 AM



Title: Re: Wheel vs. lever...
Post by: iacob alex on December 03, 2006, 09:58:57 AM
Hi Supersam!Let's see.So,fantastic can be:imaginary,visionary,romantic,unreal,unsubstantial,illusive,illusory,far out a. s. o. Firstly,play yourself Milkovic"s pendular lever(a stick,a fulcrum,two masses),then you can fix the true signification of your "sticker".All the Bests!/Alex
Title: Re: Wheel vs. lever...
Post by: iacob alex on December 19, 2006, 09:14:36 PM
Hi!As I can see the things,if we are really interested to get a gravity engine(a machine which produces/interfere,acts as a drag in a natural energy flow /so to   power  our  working necessities),we can think in the terms of an external gravity "fire" engine.The term "fire" is so extensive,it can be combustion,flame ,flashing light,energy, the forrest of the word-trees,we have a multitude of pointers and connections.The short way,so to detect a possible design for a gravity engine ,is to re-think the Stirling engine,with new twrms.We have the skeleton,the frame-concept design,ready to be restored from the thermal to a gravity consideration.All that we need is a translatory reasoning and practical operation.In a commonplace language:play a lever("high pressure" due to energizing free fall) instead of a wheel("low pressure" due to a weighting measurement) concept  ,if you are intended to start a self-gravity engine.By the way,that's the first rule for an operating engine.Like you set moving,igniting  a flame:the same spring out of energy.A little experience from our ancestors often upsets a lot of theory.All the Bests!/Alex
Title: Re: Wheel vs. lever...
Post by: iacob alex on December 23, 2006, 05:27:03 AM
Hi!    The essence of an engine(with an internal of external "fire" source) is the high pressure on the piston.If we consider gravity as a "fire" source,in the most comprehensive manner,a possible gravity engine can be imagined in two ways:in a wheel (many spokes) or in a lever (two spokes) configuration.By the way,a lever  can be considered as a "minimal wheel" symbol.A wheel concept,as consequence of a linear comparative operation ,about   a geometric unbalanced,asymmetric design(intended to be "self") vis-a-vis a vertical line(gravitational fall reference),results in a "low pressure" or physical strain,tension,an equivalent long arm-short arm lever difference multiplied with "1g",that acts as a weighting machine,swinging a little,around a balanced position,no more.Really we play statics. A lever concept(two spokes,arms) attests a free fall time for the long arm(raising the small arm,in the same time),and so we have a nonlinear comparative operation about  a full pendular motion,resulting in a "high pressure": a single long arm-short arm difference multiplied with a "greater g"(remind "falling chimney" effect and 'falling stick" lab demo  ).So,if you want to start a gravity engine,play dynamics ,let it fall,so to get "high pressure".Stirling engine can be a relative of this one,as a concept.this is my opinion...Simplicity is the first step,curiosity and understanding come after.All the Bests!/Alex
Title: g vs. g*t...
Post by: iacob alex on December 31, 2006, 07:52:31 AM
...can be a shorter expression of the wheel versus lever dilemma,as a starting point to imagine a gravity engine.We have no proof in reality,about any of them ,as a thinking manner to achieve this aim,so the one and the other,have for the time being,an equally status.Again,I come out that,we are living inside a huge natural mass accelerator,an enormous energizing system.This one,gravity,is not primary to inertia(Lex One/Newton),so we can consider it,as an interface to inertia.Inertia,by all means equilibrium;constant velocity,no acceleration.Or "let's the things as they are and as they move".If you want to act in a some way,you need acceleration(Lex Two/Newton),that is change of velocity.This change of velocity,we have for free in gravity.Newton enlightened us,what to do,if we want to change something:to accelerate.When we  increase the velocity of mass,on the horizontal line,we must pay for it.On the contrary,on the vertical line,the increase of velocity(falling mass),it's for free.But ,this fall asks for time,so "g*t".That way "g vs. g*t" can be  a kind of "to...,or not to...",as you like to understand.All the Bests!/Alex
Title: Re: Wheel vs. lever...
Post by: sevich on December 31, 2006, 02:42:08 PM
Hi iacob alex,

May I ask if you have a working over/unity pendulim?

iacob alex wrote: quote 
>>>This two stage mechanical oscillator was presented and won a gold premium during the 2002 fair in Novi Sad (patented in 2001) Tesla was from the one and only country...<<<   
end of quote/

Novi sad is a city located in northen Serbia .....Nikola Tesla was not born in Serbia!

Nikola Tesla was born and educated in the town of Smiljan (near Gospic) in the western region of the Republic of Croatia (30 kms from the adriatic sea)

Title: Re: Wheel vs. lever...
Post by: iacob alex on December 31, 2006, 08:16:02 PM
Hi Sevich!I am not a handycraft man,I am sorry.My tools are paper and pen,only.More,I am a visiting person for the time being,so the tests are for the future,I hope.About Tesla,I know that he is from Croatia,but it seems that his real native family is not from Croatia(a not checked information ...),but from a neighbour country...I know that you,the former yugo-family,croatians have a historic "game" with serbians(what a pitty!),so I try not to make confusions,and not to touch your sensibility.All the Bests!/Alex
Title: Re: Wheel vs. lever...
Post by: sevich on January 01, 2007, 01:51:20 AM
Hello iacob alex,

Yes, it's also a real pitty western powers have played in the past and continue this "historic games" in which weaker nations are subdued and made to do their bidding.

Anyway iacob alex, I really admire your persevirance in your many views to a new way of penduluum thinking.


Title: Re: Wheel vs. lever...
Post by: iacob alex on January 01, 2007, 05:02:15 AM
Hi Sevich! I am from Romania,a neighbour of the former proudly Yugoslavia.Without Tito(a croatian!) ,Serbia remained alone.I know the story.History is bunk:few people make it and the majority lives,feels pain about it.No more comment. Thank you for the enheartening;as you see my "flag" is pendulum for a gravity engine.Some people are imagining a wheel(many spokes).In a way,my concept,a counterweighted pendulum(an unequal lever with two masses at every end of this one) is a "minimal wheel',with two spokes ,only.The problem is that a wheel with two spokes/a lever in fact/ allows a longer time to fall for the driving mass,so to accumulate a greater velocity V=g*t,in this way a greater acceleration and momentum:a mechanical unloud,similar to an electric discharge .That's my opinion.It is the difference of opinion that makes the things to advance,to step forward.Best Regards!/Alex
Title: Re: Wheel vs. lever...
Post by: sevich on January 01, 2007, 07:37:37 AM
iacob alex

I live in Australia but was born in the region of Srijem,

My Garage/workshop has been undergoing a major change/renovation for the past three months and is now 95 complete. 

I plan to build and test a whole new design soon. The main internal feature will resemble a banana in the form of a bent pendulum attached with springs and using miniture servo's for tilt speed. Movement of banana pendulum will be very restricted thereby increasing rotational speed once already in rotation (non self start) other mechanical hickups will be addressed and should be a minor issue if all goes well. Looking at late January for first prototype test.

Issuing a success rate of 15 %

goodluck with yours alex


Title: Re: Wheel vs. lever...
Post by: iacob alex on January 01, 2007, 10:03:44 AM
Hi Sevich!Your "banana shape" pendulum is so interesting,from my point of view...because it can be similar to my vision(your comparison,is artful this time...).If you take a look at my web site    and there you click on New!New Drafts! you can  understand me better.A Happy New Year 2007!/Alex
Title: Re: Wheel vs. lever...
Post by: sevich on January 01, 2007, 12:44:28 PM
Hi iacob alex,

                                                                                                                        I don't wish to raise eyebrows. I think I'll just change the name to  "warped pendulum"  instead

your "tatal meu 2" on your website is an interesting one as it shows a "load & discharge" on one end of the're close

Happy New Year to all

Title: Re: Wheel vs. lever...
Post by: iacob alex on January 01, 2007, 10:48:27 PM
Hi Sevich! A Happy New Year! from the North,the opposite my residence.How about fire,in your so hot summer?Now about your message.What's in a name?Let's open the books.Warp can be:bend out of shape/twist/turn/wretch/contort/deform/swerve/curve/deviate/bow/angle/variation ...and more nuances,maybe.The problem of a godfather,you know,is inspiration.Your "load & discharge" remark about rotopendulum is helpful to understand the two strokes timing.But you see,all is related to inertia(rotational inertia),not to gravity.We turn this pendular shape,so to get push(we need two connected,synchronous,opposite spinning ),a tractive vector.If you search at this forum the topic "Antigravity/Other antigravity machines and Devices/Rotopendulum" can understand me better.By the way the tag antigravity is an "unhappy" one.Again,what's in a name?Nothing more,that you can imagine,comprehend and handle,mainly.We know play gravity and rotational inertia:that's enough.This anti-....seems to me superfluous,uncalled for the real world.For fiction movies,science-fiction ,playtime it can be fun.For the people that are in a hurry to embrace reality,this term is as you kill the time of our so short living my age/about 63.So,again A Happy New Year! Sevich.All the Bests!/Alex
Title: Re: Wheel vs. lever...
Post by: gaby de wilde on January 02, 2007, 11:37:52 AM
Hi Sevich!Your "banana shape" pendulum is so interesting,from my point of view...because it can be similar to my vision(your comparison,is artful this time...).If you take a look at my web site    and there you click on New!New Drafts! you can  understand me better.A Happy New Year 2007!/Alex

hi iacob alex,  I've seen your stellarotor website a few times before. It's very nice :) I was thinking it would be nice if you put 1 image on a page and write something under it. Even just a url would be cool. Then one can link to one. The images and photos are a bit to small, I imagine you didn't keep the originals? You can (however) try blow them up a bit with irfanview or the gimp. Could also try some cropping to make them more clear. I assume they are your drawings and constructions, your view on things is quite original would be a waist to waist it.  :)

About the "wheel vs lever", I've been calling them unbalanced wheels for some time now. It's like a lever also being a wheel.

But I feel for a real understand they should be treated as objects moving over a track.

Look how strange the speed and the track of mass on a wheel really is. ???
Title: Re: Wheel vs. lever...
Post by: iacob alex on January 03, 2007, 11:16:24 PM
Hi Gaby!I made a short visit to your web site:it's interesting,and I will return again,so to get some possible suggestions.Thanks, for your nice words.For a time,I am not living on my basic residence,so I can operate with messages on net,only.In a way,I am not an handycraft man,I prefere "paper and pen",so to pass over,explore the huge soft forrest/aquarium like a monkey/fish ,in short and rapid lonely jumps/tours.About my web site,I believe that an elementary drawing is worth more than a lot of words.We are living now,sometimes,a time of simulations,a kind of Jurassik Park Science,on accasion, as you can see on net.For this ,I prefere the old Middle Age style designs:it's open,with any ruse,trick.By the way,my web site is old.What you can see at "Related images",now are stored in a cellar...waiting to be disposed at the garbage.Long time ago,I put aside on the fire,a half thousand designs about to escape from a burden...then,my conclusion was that in a "quiet lake"/gravity we can't imagine any self moving wheel,device.After years and years,thinking about IP/inertial propulsion(again about a thousand of designs...),with a new image regarding gravity(sometimes as a quiet lake,sometimes as a huge energizing flow ) and about the fact that ,the mechanical world of dynamics is playing on a double stage(basic inertia and gravity as an inertial "discontinuity"),again I tried to imagine the things in a different manner.This one,was discovered in one remaining designs of the past time.As in life,in a long travel,you are determined to carry what you need ,only.Sometimes we throw some things,that we really need,but the mind is a different storage:virtual.So,the memory can help us.All the Bests!/Alex
Title: Re: Wheel vs. lever...
Post by: supersam on January 04, 2007, 01:04:22 AM

just for your information, the first time i ever thought about overunity was when i was twelve years old, and my father was working on a nuclear power house in america.  i got to take a tour of the facility, and i had to wonder, why didn't they just take the energy from the first round of steam that made electricity and use it to heat the boiler from then on?  then just use the extra energy to sell?

i was told then about the laws of thermodynamics!  what a crock, is all i can say, even thirty years latter!  i don't think any of them actually tried any of the experiments, they just, "BELIEVED"!

Title: Re: Wheel vs. lever...
Post by: iacob alex on February 09, 2009, 10:28:35 PM

...can make us think about a facile setting side by side.

   Any design that takes into account a wheel (many spokes) or a lever(two spokes only) concept is equivalent,with a fall in gravity that follows a circular,or curvilinear track...a particular inclined plane.

   The most noticeable characteristic of gravity fall (this  "invisible flow"...) is his nonlinear development with the  time  factor:  "g" is a constant acceleration,so we can get on this inclined plane, an ever increasing velocity (kinetic energy)...if...we let it fall rather more time

  In this situation,the lever concept seems to have a certain advantage....

            All the Bests!  /  Alex
Title: Re: Wheel vs. lever...
Post by: iacob alex on April 02, 2009, 10:26:17 PM a concept is on the line "why make it easy,when you can make it difficult?!"

     Or more matter,less art.

                                                All the Bests!  /  Alex
Title: Re: Wheel vs. lever...
Post by: iacob alex on April 16, 2009, 12:26:43 AM
   ...concept , setting side by side,becomes essential ,when we take into consideration the measurable quantity of movement,that we can get out ,due to gravity fall.

            The hub and the spokes,usually are figured as a common,rigid body that can rotate  in a single manner: with a collective angular velocity.

            The hub,adds the effort of all spokes.

            The contribution of any spoke is variable,not only owing to the momentum's arm ,but especially due to their free fall velocity.

            Here is the point: in any sequence of the process,the spokes ask for some individual angular velocities.
            In this way,instead of  "an army of one" effort,we have  "a nonsense stampede" stess : at any time,some moments are pushing,some moments are pulling....and their possible summ working effort, becomes smaller.

            Here we have a "to be ,or not to be " problem : before to discard any  "wheel  concept" design(more than two spokes),give them the last chance,that  of two spokes only.

                       All the Bests! / Alex
Title: Re: Wheel vs. lever...
Post by: cameron sydenham on April 17, 2009, 07:10:10 PM
why wait for gravity when you can create it in revers, any amount. Centrifugal /centrepetal force is like gravity, only backwards/ inside out. with Cf, you can manipulate alot of variables that you cannot with gravity.
Title: Re: Wheel vs. lever...
Post by: iacob alex on April 18, 2009, 03:27:56 AM

         Hi Cameron !

Your question up-there can get a multitude of answers...

My answer is this:if in the future we will be in a different planet(like Mars...),with no other flow(do you said rivers?),but gravity, we need to know how to take out power from this only source...

            All the Bests! / Alex
Title: Re: Wheel vs. lever...
Post by: iacob alex on June 29, 2009, 02:53:51 AM

         Hi !

  Ok ! Let's say that this topic ("wheel vs. topic") is not substantial for us...

  Then,thinking that a wheel concept (or a lever one...) is made up,in a possible elementary design,as a repetitive addition of a certain number of identic spokes to a common hub,we can simplify our "search"...

  Now we have a single and final "minimum minimorum" type question:how is a spoke,a single one...

  This is all what we want,nothing more...

      All the Best!  /Alex
Title: Re: Wheel vs. lever...
Post by: iacob alex on August 27, 2009, 10:00:29 PM a face to face concepts counterpoise,to imagine a possible gravity device,is similar with the purpose ,to take away some power from a "frozen river" vs. to take power from a "free falling " spring/flow .

      For any wheel design,the free fall is allowed as much,as the distance between two successive spokes :more spokes,less free fall.

      For any water/wind mill,the first requirement is to have a free flow...

      For a gravity powered device , we have the same dependence !

               All the best! / Alex 
Title: Re: Wheel vs. lever...
Post by: iacob alex on December 14, 2009, 08:02:51 PM

 ......can be a "PM dilemma",in my opinion.

       This questionable attempt,was solved,in some way,in the art of flying.

       If you take a look at:

         you can see,that an aircraft can use a propeller with a single blade...

       Then,why not to imagine, a possible PM with a single spoke!?

           All the best! / Alex
Title: Re: Wheel vs. lever...
Post by: iacob alex on August 17, 2020, 09:48:40 PM
.....or playing gravity with a wheel concept , as :
.....or playing gravity with a lever concept , as :
.....or , why not ?...your proposal/model!?
Title: Re: Wheel vs. lever...
Post by: sm0ky2 on August 21, 2020, 02:09:23 AM
Why not just attach a flywheel to the side of the lever
Then you have the mechanical advantage
As well as the rotational momentum
Title: Re: Wheel vs. lever...
Post by: iacob alex on August 21, 2020, 08:31:12 PM
  Hi sm0ky2 !
You have it , as :
 All the best!/Al_ex