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### Author Topic: Wheel vs. lever...  (Read 20389 times)

#### iacob alex

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##### Wheel vs. lever...
« on: September 25, 2006, 02:49:34 AM »
...can be a Delphic,ambiguous,not well undestood main way "pointer",  that can be used when we think and try to imagine "something  self moving" ...you know...About wheel-symbol we know a lot,but about lever?Basic mechanics is lever,the wheel comes ...after.Simply,the weighing machines as mechanical devices for comparing two masses in gravity,acts as levers,not as wheels.A wheel is an evoluated lever concept,but his summary equivalent is a lever also.A weighing machine it's a comparison ,a setting side by side device that plays gravity to mesure mass in gravity.So,if we want an ever unbalancing weighing machine,let's unbalance them in some manner so to keep on turning:vibrational(decreasing balancing) mood transformed in an acceleration mood.A gravity "squatting" pair of torque on a slightly modified weighing machine.You can begin with a steelyard:a fulcrum,a stick and a sliding mass, as the old Roman balance.A simply game.All the Bests!/Alex...an Inertial Sailor

#### lancaIV

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##### Re: Wheel vs. lever...
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2006, 03:07:43 AM »
Hello "sailor" -without haven",
The ,now death,german inventor Bierner DE3621312
and the british inventor Frederick A. Knapp GB365209
used the wheel/lever-principle !

Probably an idea-"to find your haven"!

With best wishes
de Lanca

#### iacob alex

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##### Wheel versus lever...
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2006, 06:51:08 AM »
...is the real problem.So, vs.=versus,you can find in "Webster's Dictionary" as "in contest against,in contrast with,by way of alternative to...". The  problem,introduced at this forum topic, was "wheel vs.lever",or lever in comparison(facing,in exchange for,opposite to,contrarly to...) with wheel.Most people think(or dream) about  "something" as a self-turning wheel due to gravity.Few people,as I know Bessler only,designed and accomplished a different concept:a lot of unequally levers that balance in a certain manner on the spokes of a wheel,so that this one is self-moving in the and owing to gravity.So history tell us and Prof. Evert(  www.evert.de   ) explains in a so clearly,inteligible german thinking manner (text,drawings,animations) this case:wheel and lever(s) concept.Now,our friend, de Lanca ,I have a question:you know about Knapp and Bierner...what were  their concept?Wheel(1),wheel -lever(2) or lever(3)?My proposal was "lever only"!By the way,as an "old sailor" I have some sheltered ancorages,safe waters...Smile!All the Bests!/Alex

#### iacob alex

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##### Gravity on the rack...
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2006, 10:10:16 PM »
...seems to be this wheel concept on our endeavour to imagine a gravity power pulling out mechanism,device.Really ,the gravity,this natural rush,overflow,cascade is setted in a very "difficult" situation when "meets" our wheel type arrangements,a kind of no more that stable balancing "traps"...useless regarding to our expectations.Gravity "rapids" property has no time to manifest his impetus(m*v):we have the balancing  mass(es) on a comparating tool,as usually  ,but with no velocity.The outcome is no impetus.It's a weighing machine,nothing more,a failed "start" for a self turning mechanism.A proposal,a solution can be to set free impetus,thinking about an other,unlike  aspect of the weighing mass,comparator.As in electricity we need that momentary surge in one direction of voltage or current,in mechanics we demand for that "unseen in the air" change in momentum effected by gravity about a mass,by the TIME during which it acts.So,let's free the gravity momentum... can it be a manner to understand clearly,to achieve a turning gravity "waver"?Who knows?Usually we understand what we know,only.That's normal in our transitory life:a patient attention ask for time...All the Bests!/Alex

#### iacob alex

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##### Rolling on a spot...
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2006, 11:45:46 PM »
...that old  "dream" of mechanics, is a little like the swing sets you might remember from our springtime of life.Swing gives us an emotional,sympathetic contemplation to this gravity...all life we live in,a feeling of a kind of real flight...in an amazing, ineffable,beyond words medium,environment... but in a controlled manner however.You can play pendulum,alone or lever,with a playmate:you pump your legs,so to increase the height of the swing's arc(you can make it as a circle...with some bravery,tenacity),that's all.Simply thinking,it's  like we charge-discharge ourself with "something".In fact ,we perform a lever concept:a fulcrum,a bar ,setting side by side in comparison two masses:one "fixed" and one "mobile".If we can swing "on the spot" , why not imagine a lever rolling in the same pattern, pumping some "leg"?I said rolling,so for a full round,circular "trip"...we ask for some help(impetus) in a line  that falling power>lifting use up.That motion of "pumping legs" can be transfigurated,reconstructed in a "pumping lever",or playing elementary mechanics.Gravity exibits in a restrictive path:downward only.We can fall in many ways,inclusively on an inclined plane.If we want a self-pumping alike motion, regarding a swing-lever style,let's place the moving mass on an inclined plane ,so that at the bottom position,it falls to the fulcrum(brings about the short arm R1) and at the top position,it falls from the fulcrum(brings about the long arm R3).This switching mass M1(and arm) has a  fixed arm companion mass M2,positionated   at R2 from the fulcrum and R1<R2<R3 , M1=M2.Now,can we have a rolling lever on the spot?Can we make it self?Let's hope!All the Bests!/Alex

#### iacob alex

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##### Pendular beings...
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2006, 01:04:09 AM »
...creatures,animals,human beings is a far away,general viewing regarding the change of place,movement on our Earth.The inverted pendulum on a surface,flapping motion in the air,undulating pendulum in the water.During walking,the inverted pendulum equivalent of our mass-body ,moves like a kind  of a "sectorial wheel":with each step cicle,beteen two gravitational levels,some of the gravitational potential is converted into kinetic energy ,and then back.It's a walking pendulum .Energy transfer in a gravity environment is made in a pendular manner.Can it be a suggestion for our topic,in this "wheel vs. lever" dilemma?All the Bests!/Alex

#### iacob alex

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##### Pendular things...
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2006, 02:11:54 AM »
...tools,devices,vehicles,gadgets can utilize ways and means to transfer a natural point of view regarding energy and transport(swinging,oscillating,wavering,unsteady,undulating  so many aspects,faces,properties of the same physical pendulum) to our understanding and use,applicability,serviceability and benefits.Try to think and see the inside pendular "skeleton design" of the world around you, at so many beings and things.As simple as possible can be a basis ,a groundwork to set up,build,assembly  our knowledge and mechanisms regarding the topic at this forum section.Considering  the choise(my dilemma...) "wheel vs.lever",my option is lever(counter-pendulum,Roman balance or steelyard slightly modified,bended).All the Bests!/Alex

#### iacob alex

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##### Accelerating twin lever...
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2006, 09:36:28 AM »
...if we "remake"  the Poggendorf's classic lab-experience(and apparatus...):lever instead an Atwood machine.So,we will have a great lever with a fixed (2M+m) mass at one end ,and with a small free pivoting /rotating lever at the other end(as a replacement for the Atwood machine),loaded with the same (2M+m) mass.Usually this arrangement is stable.But ,supposing that we set the two diametrally positionated masses on the small lever,as (M+m) in the top position/(M) in the bottom position,we determine an unstable state not only for the small lever(let's say on the left arm of the great lever) ,but for both.So,the left arm of the great lever(supporting the pendular motion of the small lever),will move up.The system becomes accelerated due to gravity: a double fall chargeable to the same linear "g" ,this time variable acceleration ,owing to torque.Can this case generate a question "family of IF..." regarding our topic?Maybe.All the Bests!/Alex

#### iacob alex

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##### Re: Wheel vs. lever...again
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2006, 10:19:09 AM »
Hi !  It can be a point  that, this forum takes into account the real success of Prof.Veljko Milkovic.This news, for a time, is old for people that have in mind a lever,not a wheel,as a possible "key" for "harvesting" gravity flow on an inertial frame("scenery"):this two stage mechanical oscillator, was presented and won a gold premium during the 2002 fair in Novi Sad(patented in 2001).Tesla was from the one and only country...The problem is that ,anyone can "fit" a lever and a pendulum in the same way,to "remake"  this "excess" energy device.The next step,you guess is a feedback...but ,in a final ,I bet:this will not be a "wheel",but a pendular lever  with a  store-restore energy system.The most important fact is that Prof.Milkovic ,with this "key" opens a wide vision regarding the interplay of action-reaction phenomena in mechanics, that of nonlinearity.The action has a so large meaning;you can "beat"/force or you can "sing"/oscillate a medium(air...),including inertia.Let's say that I am a dreamer,only.All the Bests!/Alex

#### supersam

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##### Re: Wheel vs. lever...
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2006, 02:37:48 AM »
Alex,

WHAT A CONCEPT!!!!

I ONLY HAVE ONE WORD TO SAY,  FUCKINFANTASTIC!!!!

lol
sam

#### iacob alex

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##### Re: Wheel vs. lever...
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2006, 09:58:57 AM »
Hi Supersam!Let's see.So,fantastic can be:imaginary,visionary,romantic,unreal,unsubstantial,illusive,illusory,far out a. s. o. Firstly,play yourself Milkovic"s pendular lever(a stick,a fulcrum,two masses),then you can fix the true signification of your "sticker".All the Bests!/Alex

#### iacob alex

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##### Re: Wheel vs. lever...
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2006, 09:14:36 PM »
Hi!As I can see the things,if we are really interested to get a gravity engine(a machine which produces/interfere,acts as a drag in a natural energy flow /so to   power  our  working necessities),we can think in the terms of an external gravity "fire" engine.The term "fire" is so extensive,it can be combustion,flame ,flashing light,energy,vivacity...in the forrest of the word-trees,we have a multitude of pointers and connections.The short way,so to detect a possible design for a gravity engine ,is to re-think the Stirling engine,with new twrms.We have the skeleton,the frame-concept design,ready to be restored from the thermal to a gravity consideration.All that we need is a translatory reasoning and practical operation.In a commonplace language:play a lever("high pressure" due to energizing free fall) instead of a wheel("low pressure" due to a weighting measurement) concept  ,if you are intended to start a self-gravity engine.By the way,that's the first rule for an operating engine.Like you set moving,igniting  a flame:the same spring out of energy.A little experience from our ancestors often upsets a lot of theory.All the Bests!/Alex

#### iacob alex

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##### Re: Wheel vs. lever...
« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2006, 05:27:03 AM »
Hi!    The essence of an engine(with an internal of external "fire" source) is the high pressure on the piston.If we consider gravity as a "fire" source,in the most comprehensive manner,a possible gravity engine can be imagined in two ways:in a wheel (many spokes) or in a lever (two spokes) configuration.By the way,a lever  can be considered as a "minimal wheel" symbol.A wheel concept,as consequence of a linear comparative operation ,about   a geometric unbalanced,asymmetric design(intended to be "self") vis-a-vis a vertical line(gravitational fall reference),results in a "low pressure" or physical strain,tension,an equivalent long arm-short arm lever difference multiplied with "1g",that acts as a weighting machine,swinging a little,around a balanced position,no more.Really we play statics. A lever concept(two spokes,arms) attests a free fall time for the long arm(raising the small arm,in the same time),and so we have a nonlinear comparative operation about  a full pendular motion,resulting in a "high pressure": a single long arm-short arm difference multiplied with a "greater g"(remind "falling chimney" effect and 'falling stick" lab demo  ).So,if you want to start a gravity engine,play dynamics ,let it fall,so to get "high pressure".Stirling engine can be a relative of this one,as a concept.this is my opinion...Simplicity is the first step,curiosity and understanding come after.All the Bests!/Alex

#### iacob alex

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##### g vs. g*t...
« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2006, 07:52:31 AM »
...can be a shorter expression of the wheel versus lever dilemma,as a starting point to imagine a gravity engine.We have no proof in reality,about any of them ,as a thinking manner to achieve this aim,so the one and the other,have for the time being,an equally status.Again,I come out that,we are living inside a huge natural mass accelerator,an enormous energizing system.This one,gravity,is not primary to inertia(Lex One/Newton),so we can consider it,as an interface to inertia.Inertia,by all means equilibrium;constant velocity,no acceleration.Or "let's the things as they are and as they move".If you want to act in a some way,you need acceleration(Lex Two/Newton),that is change of velocity.This change of velocity,we have for free in gravity.Newton enlightened us,what to do,if we want to change something:to accelerate.When we  increase the velocity of mass,on the horizontal line,we must pay for it.On the contrary,on the vertical line,the increase of velocity(falling mass),it's for free.But ,this fall asks for time,so "g*t".That way "g vs. g*t" can be  a kind of "to...,or not to...",as you like to understand.All the Bests!/Alex

#### sevich

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##### Re: Wheel vs. lever...
« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2006, 02:42:08 PM »
Hi iacob alex,

May I ask if you have a working over/unity pendulim?

also,
iacob alex wrote: quote
>>>This two stage mechanical oscillator was presented and won a gold premium during the 2002 fair in Novi Sad (patented in 2001) Tesla was from the one and only country...<<<
end of quote/

Novi sad is a city located in northen Serbia .....Nikola Tesla was not born in Serbia!

Nikola Tesla was born and educated in the town of Smiljan (near Gospic) in the western region of the Republic of Croatia (30 kms from the adriatic sea)