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Offline sadang

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Re: the Ferrocell
« Reply #30 on: February 03, 2015, 09:27:16 PM »
Ok, thanks for these clarifications. Now I can narrow a bit my field of assumptions.

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After a week they took them off and everything was upside-down! hah

Yes indeed! The habit is the second human's nature!

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this pix shows the magnetic flux in a plasma from University studies. See anything familiar?

Hmmm! Is hard for me to understand this image without more details. As you said "We see what we are 'supposed to see". But le me try!

The familiar aspect is the curved purple path, which resemble the curved path of light from the previous image. But I think the analogy stops here! Because in this case we talk about plasma, I rather think that the bent purple path is a beam of electrons instead of light, which indeed will bent in the presence of a magnetic field.

If this is the real case, this purple path is in any point at 90 degree against the path of the magnetic field. This is a very poor experiment and far from the value and the information which a ferrocell can provide.

In a plasma the electrons will be visible in their curved movement under a magnetic field influence, until will lose their energy and will become invisible. More than this to achieve this effect, this setup require a very dangerous to use high voltage source besides many others like, noble gas, vacuum pump, electron gun, glass ball and others. A lot of stuff to reproduce an invaluable experiment which offer few and poor dates about the characteristics of the magnetic field.

Instead, a ferrocell is more safe very easy to use, and very easy to understand how to use it. It offer at a single glance a lot more information about the structure and shape of the magnetic field. And the possibilities to vary the experimental setup at the level of home user, are endless! The same the results and the possible collateral understandings.

I've tried to make use of the electrons beams in analysis of the magnetic field, appealing to a CRT display. It is not a direct interaction as in the case of a plasma ball, rather an indirect one, because I placed the magnet on the glass of the tube and get some very interesting pictures. Bellow are two of them. I have to mention that is a delta CRT tube, from here these starred forms. An old TV tube, will give other forms, but in general the forms obtained will be far from the conventional shape and structure of the magnetic field.

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« Reply #31 on: February 04, 2015, 01:17:36 AM »

The light ring contains 9 each of red, green, blue and white LED's. Look closely at the previous picture and you can see how the spectrum changed.
White is now yellow. Blue is violet...

In a nut-shell, this cell is making new waves from light and magnetism.

"The light ring contains 9 each of red, green, blue and white LED's. Look closely at the previous picture and you can see how the spectrum changed.
White is now yellow. Blue is violet...

In a nut-shell, this cell is making new waves from light and magnetism".
 
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 After re-reading my post I realized something that I didn't notice before. Blue does not slow down to make purple (violet).
 Violet and deep violet are higher frequencies than blue. This observation is something I have to examine further :-[
this could be the verification I need to compare the ferroparticles actions to negative index materials!

I'll keep you posted (unless someone out there can explain it).

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« Reply #32 on: February 04, 2015, 01:49:29 AM »
...The familiar aspect is the curved purple path, which resemble the curved path of light from the previous image. But I think the analogy stops here!

...I've tried to make use of the electrons beams in analysis of the magnetic field, appealing to a CRT display.
Yes, in the plasma pix, if we could make 36 different points of plasma, each set 10 deg apart, we would see a sphere.
It doesn't appear to have a 'spin-helix' shape, for sure.

While I was experimenting on the Ferrocell, I was doing all of my research with magnets. 
A 1T field is difficult to make with electromagnets. It takes LOTS of power and things get HOT.

In this experiment, I rotate a magnet on the face of a CRT.
The best images (and more accurate) come from a Sony Trinitron.
You can tell if it's a Sony micro-grid tube if the face is very flat and the deflection angle is steep.
The best computer monitors (<dpi) were mostly micro-grid back in the early 90's.

Ok here's a link to a experiment I did 8 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klw8y6ksxj0

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Offline sadang

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« Reply #33 on: February 05, 2015, 10:39:56 AM »
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Yes, in the plasma pix, if we could make 36 different points of plasma, each set 10 deg apart, we would see a sphere. It doesn't appear to have a 'spin-helix' shape, for sure.

According to my understanding of the phenomena in that pix even if we create 36 different points of plasma, which means 36 cathodes positioned at 10 degree apart in an horizontal plane, we can't obtain a sphere of purple paths in the actual setup, because the lines of the magnetic field are in any point perpendicular to that purple circle. The magnet is somewhere in the outside of the glass ball, placed in a specific position as its lines of magnetic field be perpendicular to the purple circle.

If the cathode placed at 180 degree from the actual one will create a purple circle like the actual one but in the opposite direction, the other cathodes at 90 and 270 degrees will not curve at all or very little their beam of electrons, these latter going in an about straight line. In any way they will not curve to form a circle.

To make each beam of electrons to follow a round path, they have to always interact with the magnetic field at 90 degrees. To get this cumulative spherical effect the lines of magnetic field have to change their angle to become always at 90 degrees for a specific beam of electrons. This can be practically made by:
- a high speed rotary cathode and magnet out of phase by 90 degrees setup
- a high speed rotary cathode and 36 static magnets setup
- a high speed rotary magnet and 36 static cathodes
- a static setup with synchronized 36 magnets and 36 cathodes

And this experimental setup don't show the shape of the magnetic field around a magnet. The magnet is outside in the right or left side of the purple circle. This experiment only show how a magnetic field affect a beam of electrons. To really see the magnetic field shape around a magnet, require a specific experimental setup, with the magnet placed in center of the ball and the pairs anode-cathode placed at 180 degree on the glass wall. All 36 or more pairs of anode-cathode have to be placed this way.

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A 1T field is difficult to make with electromagnets. It takes LOTS of power and things get HOT.

Don't even think to waste time experimenting with electromagnets. Besides it is very hard to get one with 1T field density, they require a lot of electrical current and a lot of electrical and thermal precautions in their handling. Not to say they are not the same thing as a permanent
magnet. Not at all!

I know and understand very well the differences between a CRT for PC and a CRT for TV. The main difference for this discussion consist in how are arranged the RBG phosphor colored dots. For my monitor CRT they are in triangle, for your Trinitron CRT they are in horizontal lines forming RGB vertical lines. I don't know if it is fair to open here on this topic an analysis of the colored shapes obtained on an inline or delta CRT using a permanent magnet.

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« Reply #34 on: February 05, 2015, 02:06:28 PM »
According to my understanding of the phenomena in that pix even if we create 36 different points of plasma, which means 36 cathodes positioned at 10 degree apart in an horizontal plane, we can't obtain a sphere of purple paths in the actual setup, because the lines of the magnetic field are in any point perpendicular to that purple circle...

Don't even think to waste time experimenting with electromagnets... Not to say they are not the same thing as a permanent
magnet. Not at all!

I don't know if it is fair to open here on this topic an analysis of the colored shapes obtained on an inline or delta CRT using a permanent magnet.

Yes, your analysis is logical. I put that pix up only to show how the plasma goes in a circle with a magnetic field applied.

I'm using electromagnets and cells lately. It takes about 100 watts thru one of these (see pix1) to make a .5 T field for one deflection coil in my EDU to spin the laser beam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMssut5ik9A 
I cemented them into a thick aluminum housing to keep them cool. this pix is taken before cleanup! (pix2)


I'm sure there is a discussion somewhere on this forum about crt's ! Shadow mask vs. Micro grid.
« Last Edit: February 05, 2015, 05:38:04 PM by pinestone »

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Offline sadang

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« Reply #35 on: February 07, 2015, 07:16:29 PM »
Yes, you are right. I found the discussion about the CRTs and I'll continue there. I'll continue writing here about the ferrocell experiments.

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« Reply #36 on: February 13, 2015, 05:06:52 AM »
So the ferrocell itself isn't separating white light into its components, but rather reflecting the light from the individually colored LEDs that are in spatially separate locations.


The MAGNETISM is separating the LED light into its components, as tested over and over and over.

likewise the explanation for same is simplex.


Since you forget, white light LEDs contain R , G, and B diodes.   ;D  (duhh).



higher capacitance EM frequencies are drawn to the inertial plane of the magnet, for obvious reasons.

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« Reply #37 on: February 13, 2015, 05:13:45 AM »
make them to obey the same angle along one single colored line, but don't explain why they reflect only one color!


Its not reflected because the GREENS and PURPLES are directed along the inertia plane of the magnet


You can always tell where the middle of any magnet under Timms ferrocell because the purples vanish there due to higher dielectric capacitance of that range of EM light frequency.



Youll notice the LOWER power RED light is BRIGHT along the MIDDLE of the magnet, ....whereas the higher frequency light is ABSENT  ;D

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« Reply #38 on: February 13, 2015, 05:33:09 AM »
Bright, diffused light will show the entire field as a sphere.


Check out this video i just made  ( i made one like it months ago actually also, but anyway,.......)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07v_dcg14j0

The magnetic "circle", or the "spirograph pattern" DRAWN OUT ,  100% identical to the hypotrochoid of magnetism under you ferrocell


irrefutable  ;) ;)


By drawing it out SLOWLY, its easy for everyone to SEE   "ohhhhhh, thats it!!!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07v_dcg14j0


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« Reply #39 on: February 13, 2015, 07:33:54 AM »
How many LEDs of each color are around the ferrocell?




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« Reply #40 on: February 13, 2015, 07:40:26 AM »

The MAGNETISM is separating the LED light into its components, as tested over and over and over.

likewise the explanation for same is simplex.


Since you forget, white light LEDs contain R , G, and B diodes.   ;D  (duhh).



higher capacitance EM frequencies are drawn to the inertial plane of the magnet, for obvious reasons.

No, tricolor LEDs contain all three colors. WHITE leds are single elements. If you go to any electronics store and ask for a "white" LED, or look in a white LED flashlight, you will find phosphor-converted, single element LEDs.

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Phosphor-converted white light: Another approach to generating white light is by use of phosphors together with a short-wavelength LED. For example, when one phosphor material used in LEDs is illuminated by blue light, it emits yellow light having a fairly broad spectral power distribution. By incorporating the phosphor in the body of a blue LED with a peak wavelength around 450 to 470 nanometers, some of the blue light will be converted to yellow light by the phosphor. The remaining blue light, when mixed with the yellow light, results in white light.

http://www.lrc.rpi.edu/programs/nlpip/lightinganswers/led/whiteLight.asp

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« Reply #41 on: February 13, 2015, 07:45:09 AM »

The MAGNETISM is separating the LED light into its components, as tested over and over and over.

likewise the explanation for same is simplex.


Since you forget, white light LEDs contain R , G, and B diodes.   ;D  (duhh).



higher capacitance EM frequencies are drawn to the inertial plane of the magnet, for obvious reasons.

No, it is not. You can see for yourself the DIFFERENTLY COLORED LEDS surrounding the ferrocell proper. You are once again misrepresenting the actual state of affairs.

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« Reply #42 on: February 13, 2015, 08:29:53 AM »
Furthermore, truly white light is a continuum of all wavelengths from about 400 nanometers to about 700 nanometers. Put it through a prism or a diffraction grating and you will see a continuous rainbow of colors. The RGB LED produces the _sensation_ of white light if driven properly. Put it through a prism and you will see only the three welldefined emission wavelengths of Red Green and Blue.

I find it truly hilarious that a great Buddhist teacher cannot tell the difference between a sensation and the reality producing it.

I have dozens of the NeoPixel RGB LEDs shown in your enlargement, and I know how to drive them to produce the _sensation_ of any color by metameric mixing. The light emitted by the LED is only a mixture of the three spectral lines from the LEDs.... the different colors possible are synthesized in your experience by the hardware of your visual system.

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« Reply #43 on: February 13, 2015, 08:45:38 AM »
Hey TA, just constructive opinions here – if in the middle there is a sphere that explodes and then goes back to itself, how does the outside explosion explodes inside itself?

Unless I'm getting it wrong, do you mean that in the “center” everything explodes inside itself continuously and everything outside explodes outside itself - the implosion/explosion contentiously?

So where is an implosion where there is an explosion hence in the middle, there is a balance. And this balance is magnetism?

The merely implosion and explosion is what causes particles?

Hear me out, so lets say that is the law....and just a little lagging of the implosion regarding the explosion is what makes things.

I don't know if I'm making myself clear.

Least say that light waves are implosion and explosions...but the light waves are more explosions than implosions? They are both light “particles” but the mere “lagging” is what causes the wave ripple?

Lets say perfect white color is implosion and explosion in balance...then any other color is ether in the beginning of the explosion/explosion or the later of the explosion/explosion if I can make myself clear?

What I really mean, where in the vortex is the color blue, yellow, orange, etc?

Just a curious question if you can understand.

I'm a noob.

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« Reply #44 on: February 13, 2015, 08:59:53 AM »
Hey TA, the CENTER rotates in one way upon itself...and the OUTER rotates on itself in the opposite. SO when they rotate, are they both continuously making negative and positive PHENOMENA!?

It seems to me like they are stuck in space time. The center rotates upon itself over and over again and the outer rotates upon itself in the opposite direction. What I see is repulsion attraction.

The middle part want to implode while the outer part wants to explode. So we have this infinity (not yet known) implosion and infinity (not yet known) explosions).

Now if I apply that knowledge, do you believe the “milky way” is imploding or exploding?

Or, what do you thing is in the center that makes the lines forces turn around upon their self? What phenomena makes the magnet become a a magnet and for what purpose? Just to show it attract other metal like stuff? Or is there a purpose to being a magnet?

Just thinking out loud  :)

 

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