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Re: the Ferrocell
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2015, 10:14:14 AM »
A great picture, at least for me! Because I'm interested in ferrocel's images only to understand the magnetism in its intimate structure, I'm trying to pay attention mainly to all these aspects.

What I see here is rather a RGBY than a RGBW ring of LED and their effect over the ferrofluid particles in the presence of a magnetic field. What I see here (at least in my interpretation) are effectively the magnetic lines of force and their shape around the magnet, due to reflection of light by the coherent alignment of the ferrocel particles. Of course this is only an in plane view of the magnetic lines, only a slice of the entire complex and beautiful 3D structure of the magnetic field.

Why is this image valuable for me is due to that white line that I drew over the image, and where the colored lines appear to end. This happen due to the angle shift of the ferrocel particles so that the light is reflected under a different angle, making their arrangement invisible to the eye. Changing my eyes angle of view, the lines will continue, form here the holographic effect that can be achieved by these ferrocel units in the presence of magnets.

Going further with my analysis, that shift of ferrocel's particles angle along that white line (or the vertical half of the magnet) tell me the magnetic lines of force change their polarization effect over the ferrocel's particles. Why that happen in a vertically structured and discrete continuous lines of force of the magnetic field?

Another thing I don't understand is why only one color for a single colored line? Why the color don't mix along a single line of magnetic field? The polarization of the ferrocel particles by the magnetic field make them to obey the same angle along one single colored line, but don't explain why they reflect only one color! There is something I miss?

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« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2015, 12:14:52 PM »
That picture sure doesn't seem like the hues of the lines are any different than what is being emitted by the LEDs. The camera of course has a different color response than the eye does, hence the "blue" looks more purple in the camera image ... but the LEDs and the lines look very close in hue in the picture.

Spectroscopy is probably the only way really to tell if there is an actual frequency shift happening.

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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2015, 03:18:17 PM »
Every school should have one.

That's the plan :D
It's in the works and we already have a test-bed school near me...
a nanotech-quantum-photonic-plasmonic experiment to open young (and old) minds.

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« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2015, 03:55:54 PM »
That picture sure doesn't seem like the hues of the lines are any different than what is being emitted by the LEDs. The camera of course has a different color response than the eye does, hence the "blue" looks more purple in the camera image ... but the LEDs and the lines look very close in hue in the picture.

Spectroscopy is probably the only way really to tell if there is an actual frequency shift happening.

Yes as I said earlier, there is a little phase shift of light when it passes thru the cell. It's a down-converted sort of thing and a result of Rayleigh Scattering: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rayleigh_scattering

I'll post the spectrometer test results soon and you will see how it shifts light down in frequency. Blue becomes violet- the other colors aren't so easily recognized without instruments.

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« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2015, 04:13:10 PM »
A great picture, at least for me! Because I'm interested in ferrocel's images only to understand the magnetism in its intimate structure, I'm trying to pay attention mainly to all these aspects.

What I see here is rather a RGBY than a RGBW ring of LED and their effect over the ferrofluid particles in the presence of a magnetic field. What I see here (at least in my interpretation) are effectively the magnetic lines of force and their shape around the magnet, due to reflection of light by the coherent alignment of the ferrocel particles. Of course this is only an in plane view of the magnetic lines, only a slice of the entire complex and beautiful 3D structure of the magnetic field.

Why is this image valuable for me is due to that white line that I drew over the image, and where the colored lines appear to end. This happen due to the angle shift of the ferrocel particles so that the light is reflected under a different angle, making their arrangement invisible to the eye. Changing my eyes angle of view, the lines will continue, form here the holographic effect that can be achieved by these ferrocel units in the presence of magnets.

Going further with my analysis, that shift of ferrocel's particles angle along that white line (or the vertical half of the magnet) tell me the magnetic lines of force change their polarization effect over the ferrocel's particles. Why that happen in a vertically structured and discrete continuous lines of force of the magnetic field?

Another thing I don't understand is why only one color for a single colored line? Why the color don't mix along a single line of magnetic field? The polarization of the ferrocel particles by the magnetic field make them to obey the same angle along one single colored line, but don't explain why they reflect only one color! There is something I miss?
That's one reason I started posting here on OU. Everyone here is a magnet nut and interested in finding out more than the textbooks can show.
I love to answer questions about the cell !

The holographic effect comes from chaining and assembly of the nanoparticles while influenced by a field. Similar to a holographic diffraction grating, but not rigid and solid like 'theirs'. see the green pix: its a close up of the particle chains (dual helix's) in a field.

The white line comes from the duct tape I wrapped the neo magnet with. The edges glow white, but they are black. I did this to cut down on reflections from the shiny coating (nickel) on the neo. I don't completly understand your question- maybe rephrase it for me?
See the second pix: It's taken at a 45 degree angle to the lens. You can see the tape more clearly here.

And the light is not reflecting. Combining the magnetic field with light produces surface waves from the nanoparticles (surface plasmons).
These plasmons follow the lowest potential of the field (not N or S) and each LED is fixed at a different angle (each 10 degrees), so we see each light following it's own path.

I just added a 3rd pix of the pole (not sure if its N or S, I didn't measure it). There is a small sheet of black plastic on top of the magnet.

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« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2015, 11:01:42 AM »
...see the green pix: its a close up of the particle chains (dual helix's) in a field.

Could you please develop a bit this sentence? On that green image I see only a single line and its shadow, due to the intense light used when the photo was made. What you mean by "dual helix"?

Regarded your opinion that light interact with magnetic field, here I think we have a bit separate opinions. But I consider it is not important in my actual interest on understanding the shape of the magnetic field shown by a ferrocel.

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I asked two questions and I'll try to develop a bit each one bellow:
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"Going further with my analysis, that shift of ferrocel's particles angle along that white line (or the vertical half of the magnet) tell me the magnetic lines of force change their polarization effect over the ferrocel's particles. Why that happen in a vertically structured and discrete continuous lines of force of the magnetic field?"

- My question was somehow rhetorical, trying to emphasize the current well known shape of the magnetic field around a magnet could not be as it learned today, taking into account that shift of angle of ferrofluid particles that create the impression the colored lines end at the middle of the magnet (along the white line I drew over the magnet).

- Even if we take into consideration the surface plasmon descriptions of the phenomenon, this does not explain why the colored lines end along the white line drew by me, or why the chains of nanoparticles end there, or why the light doesn't continue its interactions with the magnetic field along the entire length of the physical magnet, to make a single long colored line. Something is happening there, in that area! And i think is something related to the shape of the magnetic field and its internal structure.


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"Another thing I don't understand is why only one color for a single colored line? Why the color don't mix along a single line of magnetic field? The polarization of the ferrocel particles by the magnetic field make them to obey the same angle along one single colored line, but don't explain why they reflect only one color! There is something I miss?"

- I asked this question trough my way of understanding of how a ferrocel works, ie trough the reflection of light by the nanoparticles from ferrofluid. Considering this way, I don't understand why the color don't mix along the red line for example. Why there is not a mix of colors, because all colors arrive at and touch that chain of nanoparticles. Why only the red ligh is reflect?

Even if we consider the surface plasmons, it's hard for me to not see the implications of the magnetic field structure in the final result obtained. The magnetic field dictate the shape and alignment of the chains of the ferrofluid nanoparticles, and the colored light only visually highlights them. The second image is relevant for this aspect. And the main question still remain: why color don't mix along a single line of chained nanoparticles?

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Anyway, the last image show clearly the convergent  spiraling model formed by the nanoparticles chains, arranged in their turn in this way by the magnetic field of the permanent magnet. This convergent spiraling model is just a 2D projection in the plane of the ferrocel, of the 3D shape (static or dynamic is another discussion) of the magnetic field. Just a slice from the 3D shape of the magnetic field around the permanent magnet.

This 3D shape can be intuited looking at the length and the curve direction of the colored lines. The upper lines are CCW and have full length and the same brightness until they reach the central convergence point, the central funnel. The lower lines are CW and short length and reduce their brightness as approach (in reality as them moves away) by the central funneling column, in their path to the bottom funnel. Of course the CW and CCW are simple a matter of interpretation relative to the point of reference of the observer, but they can be seen both as dextrogire dynamics. What is your point of view regarded the aspects exposed by me above?

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« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2015, 01:47:17 PM »
Could you please develop a bit this sentence? On that green image I see only a single line and its shadow, due to the intense light used when the photo was made. What you mean by "dual helix"?

Regarded your opinion that light interact with magnetic field, here I think we have a bit separate opinions. But I consider it is not important in my actual interest on understanding the shape of the magnetic field shown by a ferrocel.

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I asked two questions and I'll try to develop a bit each one bellow:
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- My question was somehow rhetorical, trying to emphasize the current well known shape of the magnetic field around a magnet could not be as it learned today, taking into account that shift of angle of ferrofluid particles that create the impression the colored lines end at the middle of the magnet (along the white line I drew over the magnet).

- Even if we take into consideration the surface plasmon descriptions of the phenomenon, this does not explain why the colored lines end along the white line drew by me, or why the chains of nanoparticles end there, or why the light doesn't continue its interactions with the magnetic field along the entire length of the physical magnet, to make a single long colored line. Something is happening there, in that area! And i think is something related to the shape of the magnetic field and its internal structure.


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- I asked this question trough my way of understanding of how a ferrocel works, ie trough the reflection of light by the nanoparticles from ferrofluid. Considering this way, I don't understand why the color don't mix along the red line for example. Why there is not a mix of colors, because all colors arrive at and touch that chain of nanoparticles. Why only the red ligh is reflect?

Even if we consider the surface plasmons, it's hard for me to not see the implications of the magnetic field structure in the final result obtained. The magnetic field dictate the shape and alignment of the chains of the ferrofluid nanoparticles, and the colored light only visually highlights them. The second image is relevant for this aspect. And the main question still remain: why color don't mix along a single line of chained nanoparticles?

---#---

Anyway, the last image show clearly the convergent  spiraling model formed by the nanoparticles chains, arranged in their turn in this way by the magnetic field of the permanent magnet. This convergent spiraling model is just a 2D projection in the plane of the ferrocel, of the 3D shape (static or dynamic is another discussion) of the magnetic field. Just a slice from the 3D shape of the magnetic field around the permanent magnet.

This 3D shape can be intuited looking at the length and the curve direction of the colored lines. The upper lines are CCW and have full length and the same brightness until they reach the central convergence point, the central funnel. The lower lines are CW and short length and reduce their brightness as approach (in reality as them moves away) by the central funneling column, in their path to the bottom funnel. Of course the CW and CCW are simple a matter of interpretation relative to the point of reference of the observer, but they can be seen both as dextrogire dynamics. What is your point of view regarded the aspects exposed by me above?

Good questions!
As for the green pix, this image was taken by a fellow collaborator (Jack Shearer). Before he died (in 2008) he told me he used a 'dark field' lighting technique to make that pix. I'm not a microscope guy, but he was.

Wiki on Darkfield: "Dark field microscopy is a technique for improving the contrast of unstained, transparent specimens. Dark field illumination uses a carefully aligned light source to minimize the quantity of directly transmitted (unscattered) light entering the image plane, collecting only the light scattered by the sample. Dark field can dramatically improve image contrast – especially of transparent objects – while requiring little equipment setup or sample preparation. However, the technique suffers from low light intensity in final image of many biological samples, and continues to be affected by low apparent resolution."

The chains we see are not shadows. The chains are wrapped around each other, and we only see the chains that are in focus- its a 'sea of chains' and there are many more we see look like shadows, but they are out of focus. I used Photoshop's green filter tool. It was originally a black and white pix. Green shows more detail than the b&w photo did.

These 2-d photos do not show the depth (holographic) as in real life. Yes it seems the flux spirals around and there is something else on the poles, too.

photo 1: Here's a straight-on view thru a ring magnet using an edge-lit cell (photo by Michael Snyder, another collaborator):
He's using a different technique than I am. but you can see its much more symmetrical at a zero degree angle. The photos I uploaded before are taken at a 45 degree angle and show more activity than his does.

I don't have answers to all the questions, that's why I'm still in the research and development stage. More people experimenting with my cells will help answer some of these difficult questions (it's been 10 years since my first discovery) and the scientific community doesn't care unless they can get money to do research on it. Seems nobody does science for science sake anymore- its all about the money!

photo 2: There are 'lines' going to the top pole and lines going to the bottom pole. sometimes they cross and sometimes they don't. Where they do cross, a new color emerges (second pix also by Mike Snyder) is a quadrupole (4 magnet poles same polarity). The images I posted earlier are only using one magnet.

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« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2015, 03:02:10 PM »
Here are 3 colored LED's and their spectrometer response thru a medium cell (transmission mode= absorption):

The first thing we notice with the blue LED is how much of it is absorbed by the glass (yes silicon eats blue). The reference graph indicates a peak wavelength of 478.14 nm, and after passing thru the cell it drops to 488.89 (longer wavelength).
The spectrometer shows peaks for silicon, iron and other elements of the cell. These peaks are noticeable with green LED too.
But red passes much easier thru the cell and we don't have enough sensitivity to see the peaks in that image.
The green graph reference is 517.91 and drops to 522.91 when it passes thru the cell. Yes, its a slight frequency shift, but a noticeable hue change.
The red graph reference is 625.14 and drops to 626.31 after passing thru the cell. That's not much of a change and when you look at photographs of red thru the cell, it doesn't appear to shift much.

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« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2015, 05:58:51 PM »
...Something is happening there, in that area! And i think is something related to the shape of the magnetic field and its internal structure...

Even if we consider the surface plasmons, it's hard for me to not see the implications of the magnetic field
structure in the final result obtained. The magnetic field dictate the shape and alignment of the chains of the
ferrofluid nanoparticles, and the colored light only visually highlights them...

Just a slice from the 3D shape of the magnetic field around the permanent magnet...

This 3D shape can be intuited looking at the length and the curve direction of the colored lines. The upper lines are CCW and have full length and the same brightness until they reach the central convergence point, the
central funnel. The lower lines are CW and short length and reduce their brightness as approach (in reality as them moves away) by the central funneling column, in their path to the bottom funnel. Of course the CW and
CCW are simple a matter of interpretation relative to the point of reference of the observer, but they can be seen both as dextrogire dynamics. What is your point of view regarded the aspects exposed by me above?

I think this one image will answer all of these questions and observations.
It's a photo of a 1T cylinder magnet with black shrink tubing over it (reduce reflections).
I have it setting on the tip of my finger, resting one pole on the rear face of a Ferrocell.
The lighting is above the magnet and behind the cell.
You can see the 'flux' spiraling up and over the pole and twisting around the center (Bloch region) where it's difficult to see clearly, but the flux continues to the other pole.
It was one of the experiments that got me excited to explore deeper.
...one of the first 10 or so pictures I ever took.
Back in 2005.

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« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2015, 06:46:50 PM »
You have more experience and more practice than me with these ferrocels, and I can't afford to discuss more on them than using my imagination, knowledge and understandings.

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The chains we see are not shadows. The chains are wrapped around each other, and we only see the chains that are in focus- its a 'sea of chains' and there are many more we see look like shadows, but they are out of focus. I used Photoshop's green filter tool. It was originally a black and white pix. Green shows more detail than the b&w photo did.

Because an image makes as 1000 words let me show what I meant trough shadows. I marked with arrows the nanoparticle chains and its shadow on the bottom surface of the ferrocel or somewhere under the chain, difuzed in the mineral oil.

But in the case of photo made under a dark field microscopy, things change at 180 degrees. What is dark is the chain of ferrofluid nanoparticles and what is brighter are its edges, or more accurately the light reflected from the chain edges.

Only through this new perspective of darkfield microscopy, I can sense and understand at the same time, that these chains are twisted around each other, as is emphasized by me in your images. But still remain one question, what was the direction and polarity of the magnetic flux whaen was made this photo?

Regarded the second photo where I see intuitivelly and in depth the shape of the magnetic field, I still continue to sustain my assertion, due to what I explained in previous message. I suppose if you will change the viewing angle the lines will change their position but will keep their spiral shape. So, as you come closer to vertical point os symetry of the magnet the lines will become perfectly symmetrical, but always keeping the spiral shape. My conclusion is the chains of nanoparticles have this spiral shape over, only the light reflected by them (or reflected/emited by the surface plasmons) change in accordance with the view angle.

I see these CCW and CW and in depth spiraling lines even on the sunflower beatiful image you attached in the last message. Here I see that both CCW and CW red lines enter in the upper funnel, not only one as in the previous image, which means for me that the symetrical dynamics of the magnetic flux, keeps its aparent opposed symetry on both ends of the magnet, and in both vertical and horizontal planes.

If, I'm wrong please correct me, because I don't have a ferrocel, and use only my mind, knowledge and imagination.

In the last image you posted, I see the lines go out form the magnets and anter in the central vortex, made by the interaction of that four magnetic fields. In clasical view they repel each other, in the center appearing an area of great pressure. Acording to this image in the center appear an area of very low pressure, and I dare to say an area of great vortexial speed. Of course, in the plane of ferrocel we can't discuss about a 3D vortexial dynamic, but only about a flat area of low pressure. The colored lines coming from magnets and seeming to get into that central point, are actually projections in the plane of the ferrocel of the magnetic field lines coming from the two upper and lower magnetic poles. And I again here ask: why only a single color on a line, when for sure at that chain or chains of nanoparticle arrive all RGBY colors? A future theme of study!

I see you emphasized two times until now the changing of the color of lines where they corss each other. I don't have an answer of this phenomenon and in my opinion it can be placed besides my question about why one single color for a line! I have in mind something related to the wave length of light and its interactions with the surface plasmons, but I have to deepen this subject.

You take too fast with so many messages. To the last one with the experiment from 2005 give me some time to understand it deeply and to make my own interpretation of the phenomena, and I'll be back to you with my own point of view. Anyway, you made a great work with all these ferrocels on the way of udnerstanding the real structure of the magnetic field, and not only!

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« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2015, 08:01:25 PM »
...what was the direction and polarity of the magnetic flux whaen was made this photo?

...I suppose if you will change the viewing angle the lines will change their position but will keep their spiral shape. So, as you come closer to vertical point os symetry of the magnet the lines will become perfectly symmetrical, but always keeping the spiral shape. My conclusion is the chains of nanoparticles have this spiral shape over, only the light reflected by them (or reflected/emited by the surface plasmons) change in accordance with the view angle.

...which means for me that the symetrical dynamics of the magnetic flux, keeps its aparent opposed symetry on both ends of the magnet, and in both vertical and horizontal planes.

If, I'm wrong please correct me, because I don't have a ferrocel, and use only my mind, knowledge and imagination.

In the last image you posted... And I again here ask: why only a single color on a line, when for sure at that chain or chains of nanoparticle arrive all RGBY colors? A future theme of study!

I see you emphasized two times until now the changing of the color of lines where they corss each other. I don't have an answer of this phenomenon and in my opinion it can be placed besides my question about why one single color for a line! I have in mind something related to the wave length of light and its interactions with the surface plasmons, but I have to deepen this subject...

You take too fast with so many messages...
Sorry I don't know what the polarity was. I wasn't taking good notes in the beginning.

And you are correct about ones 'point of view'. It's relative to the observer...hmmmmm where have we heard this before?
Ones view rotates around a center point, ie. spherical.

Yes, an undisturbed magnetic field is spherical (ball-like) and mostly symmetrical. Impurities in the materials cause the field to have irregularities.
A field from an electromagnet is very symmetrical, tho.

Your imagination is great. You've got a good idea of the 3-d field from looking at 2-d pix!

I demonstrated my Ferrocells at a IEEE Photonics Conference in California last October and none of the leading-edge scientists could explain how the colors mix either-
so don't feel dumb! We have a couple of theories, but I'm into experimental physics, not theoretical.
Once we've managed to get the same conclusions from different researchers, I'll commit to fact.

Fast? This is my life. I do nothing else but work on this project and right now I'm spreading the word...forums, twitter, facebook etc.
I'm getting old and want to see this technology take off before I kick the bucket!

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« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2015, 10:14:23 PM »
If I do not get you bored, I want to continue this analysis.

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You can see the 'flux' spiraling up and over the pole and twisting around the center (Bloch region) where it's difficult to see clearly, but the flux continues to the other pole.

Hmmm! I see the entire phenomenon with other eyes! Even if this image is not too clear, I still consider it clear enough to have my own interpretation. Where you see the flux spiraling up, I see it spiraling down. Now let me to explain my point of view.

The light from the white LED touch the ferrocel all over its round surface, but hits the eye along the straight line from the LED trough the ferrocel, intersecting the ferrocel from the current angle of viewing, exactly in that point of max brightness. In the upper and bright part of the luminous circle, in that place where you said it twists. From that point it begin its interactions (reflections and maybe refractions - and don't want to talk here about the Faraday, Zeeman or other effects because I have different opinions even about these well known and proved theories) with the chains of nanoparticles.

Now, in my opinion, in this image we have two half of spirals, one being CW and the other CCW, both these curved paths being dictated by the general arrangement of the chain of nanoparticles under the influence of the magnetic field. They follow the same spiral path in a 2D projection plane (a helical path in a 3D view) to the one funnel at the end of the magnet. These can be noticed by changing the angle of view. The actual apparent circle will go down and will become symmetric around the magnet, if the angle of view will be set in the longitudinal axle of the magnet. The same can happen if will change the position of the LED. Is all about the relative motion of the observer relative to the source of light, and viceversa!

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I'm getting old and want to see this technology take off before I kick the bucket!

A very hard task, in these times! The current civilization is shaped to think in terms of making profit NOW, and even from dry stone, without realizing that they steal their own hat! I'll try to help in your endeavor trough my limited possibilities.

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« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2015, 11:07:16 PM »
If I do not get you bored, I want to continue this analysis.

Hmmm! I see the entire phenomenon with other eyes!...
...Faraday, Zeeman or other effects

...Is all about the relative motion of the observer relative to the source of light, and viceversa!

A very hard task, in these times! The current civilization is shaped to think in terms of making profit NOW, and even from dry stone, without realizing that they steal their own hat!...

Yes more eyes are better. We all see things differently and you may discover something we've overlooked. Relativity.
If you go to the website http://www.ferrocell.us/references.html there are published papers about Faraday Rotation, Zeeman splitting and other related phenomenon.
I put them there so people could see the difference in what I'm doing compared to what 'they're' doing.
There has been little research done with a transparent particle layer 'floating in a vacuum'. Almost all modern photonic and plasmonic devices use reflective and substrate-based methods.
Like the difference between a field of wheat and a school of fish. One is 'fixed' on one plane and the other free in all planes. ;)

From Wiki: "Transformation optics is a field of optical and material engineering and science embracing nanophotonics,
 plasmonics, and optical metamaterials"   check out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformation_optics
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« Reply #28 on: February 03, 2015, 05:51:02 PM »
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... you may discover something we've overlooked. Relativity.

Maybe. It often happens to me also, to overlook certain aspects when I'm captured by and enthusiastic about a certain problem.

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Like the difference between a field of wheat and a school of fish. One is 'fixed' on one plane and the other free in all planes

Indeed a big difference, but for sure to your advantage. What a deep truth you suggested through this comparison!

I will take my time (one week somewhere at over 1800m altitude) to read some of the articles from the reference page.

Could you please confirm that on the last analyzed image you used a LED not a laser? I ask this, because I saw the same effect in another experiment from you, but there you used a red laser.

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« Reply #29 on: February 03, 2015, 07:32:36 PM »
...Could you please confirm that on the last analyzed image you used a LED not a laser? I ask this, because I saw the same effect in another experiment from you, but there you used a red laser.

We see what we are 'supposed to see'. There have been many experiments done with the eye-brain interface.
One instance I remember the most is a study done using a group of volunteers who wore a special type of glasses that made everything look upside-down.
They wore them for a few days and their brain made everything look normal again.
After a week they took them off and everything was upside-down! hah

Actually the light source in the previous experiment is a small incandescent lamp. 'grain-of-wheat' 6 volt dc.

I didn't use LED's in my early experiments. I used halogen, incandescent, neodymium, florescent and the sun.
Bright, diffused light will show the entire field as a sphere. Thin, narrow light will show a narrow 'slice' of the field from a localized point in Euclidean space (the source).

this pix shows the magnetic flux in a plasma from University studies. See anything familiar?

 

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