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Offline pinestone

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the Ferrocell
« on: January 21, 2015, 05:29:39 PM »
Disclaimer:
Although a Ferrocell isn't an overunity device, it delivers a view of magnetism that can aid in the development of magnetically operated devices.
Software can not render a real-life picture of magnetic interactions, but a Ferrrocell can.

I chose to move the discussion here, where it seems more appropriate.

~Timm@Ferrocell USA

btw: I'm not trying to sell them here, only to discuss the technology...

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the Ferrocell
« on: January 21, 2015, 05:29:39 PM »

Offline sadang

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Re: the Ferrocell
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2015, 07:07:15 PM »
Thank's for answer. Did you think to make a 3D version? Something like a sphere, to facilitate visualization of the magnetic field all around?

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Re: the Ferrocell
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2015, 09:30:47 PM »
Yes, I have, but I can't find a way to make a sphere within a sphere to seal the fluid equally between the two surfaces.

When you view a cell in real-life, the field is holographic and has a perceived depth. It would be cool to see that in spherical dimensions, too.

You get an idea of what it looks like in this 2-d image taken at a 30 degree angle across the cell surface compared to a computer rendering of the same thing. (the peak and valley are reversed in the graphic)

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Offline sadang

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Re: the Ferrocell
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2015, 10:08:20 PM »
I know it's really hard to get a double layered glass sphere. Anyway, another solution would be a cubic box made of 5 squared ferrocells. This box is more easy to do, and still show the magnetic field lines in real 3D. And the holographic effect will be amazing as you move the eyes around the box!

Or another solution, would be to prepare a half or a quarter of a sphere (maybe better using some clear plastic instead of glass), place it in a vertical position in a fix point at the edge of a horizontally disc, which can be rotated at a great speed around its own center, where can be easily placed any magnet.

Maybe you already thought to these solutions, but I just want to tell about them.

Now, after many, many experiments you made, what is your opinion about the official magnetic field lines? I mean about their direction of movement and shape?

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Re: the Ferrocell
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2015, 10:24:00 PM »
I don't think of 'field lines', more like regions of flux concentrations. A Ferrocell will pass light where the flux "isn't" (the lowest potential), and appears in a different vector in relation to the location of incoming light.
Since I'm used to thinking of fields like this, it's difficult for me to have an opinion about 'textbook' field lines.

Direction? Yes. Obviously.
When a magnetic field is induced into a cell, nanoparticles move from a random mass into an orderly pattern.
The particles form groups of microscopic chains that flow only in one direction.
http://www.ferrocell.us/images/400x%20particle%20chains.png

Shape? A dipole field at rest (no other magnets or ferro-objects around) has a spherical shape. Electromagnetic fields are perfectly shaped, but magnetic fields have irregularities.
When you introduce other fields or ferro objects, each field changes "shape" depending on each objects polarity, field strength or susceptibility.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgAvofQ6zHk&feature=youtu.be

Here's an image with a lot of info. A cylinder magnet is parallel to the cell surface and backlit with a small lamp.
You can see the bulge on the left and indent on the right (center) where the light is coming thru the mixture at the lowest field potential: http://www.ferrocell.us/images/2-anothermoebius3.jpg

I think this experiment indicates "torque" on the particles.
« Last Edit: January 22, 2015, 12:33:45 AM by pinestone »

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Re: the Ferrocell
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2015, 06:33:45 PM »
Excuse me; this reactor is usable for tratment of gas?






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Re: the Ferrocell
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2015, 07:12:21 PM »
Interesting concept. I made a comment and erased it. At first i wasn't sure what you were trying to achieve.
After looking at your sketch once more, I'm interested in trying this experiment.

To manipulate the laser, the magnets have to be close to the cell.

so we'd be shooting lasers at each other thru a couple of anti-vortex fields (probably in opposition)...

cool 8)

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Offline sadang

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Re: the Ferrocell
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2015, 09:09:02 PM »
That image with the vertical magnet and the back light is a very interesting one. That shape clearly indicate a specific arrangement of the ferrofluid particles, so that they reflect and refract the light in this manner. Is hard for me to draw a conclusion based only on my imagination and visual interpretation of that image, but I clearly see there a king of torque.

However, I think the best results related to the shape and structure of the magnetic field ( seen as magnetic lines of force or magnetic flux gradients ) of a permanent magnet, can be obtained using a ferrocell with light around its circumference. In this case the light will be in the same plane with the ferrofluid solution, and we can talk more than 80% only about reflection not refraction, as in the case of a back light.

The last image you posted is amazing! I suppose you used four magnets arranged N,S,N,S on a color led illuminated ferrocell. Could you please make a brief description of that experiment?

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Re: the Ferrocell
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2015, 11:23:52 PM »
Many lights spaced a few degrees apart around the circumference of a cell result in a typical Gaussian view of the field(s).
Single point source light resolves into a single ring.
Introducing laser changes everything. When you pump a laser beam into the null zone (lowest potential),
the beam diverges into two "wings" that form a parabola that "rolls around the edge":
example here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwc-oBGSGeg

As for the quadrupole pix in the previous post, that image was taken by a fellow collaborator, Michael Snyder.
There are 4 magnets of the same polarity offset 90 degrees on the cell (black rectangles).
It's edge-lit with 36 RGBY led's facing inward. He put black paper between the cell and magnets to improve contrast.
He's also using a $3000.00 camera. :o

heres a larger view: http://ferrocell.us/images/DSCF6664.jpg
the little speckles are debris in and on the cell.

Let me add one more thing...if you look closely where different color bands cross each other, they make a new color.
Color addition and subtraction are key to light computing.

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Re: the Ferrocell
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2015, 01:27:56 AM »
Wow. It's been so long since I've been working on magnets and alt energy ... I was working on something the other day and taking to a friend about how I was kicking myself for not picking up one of your lenses. Sincerely glad to see you on here! Made my day.

(Edit ... found it) Awesome ... What makes you call it a cell? Are the different colors just different color leds?

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« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2015, 02:07:50 AM »
Good to hear from you again, konduct
I haven't been around for a while, either. I was totally involved with another project.
But got back into the cell last year to pick up where I left off in 2009.
I did a demo at the IEEE Photonics Conference last October in San Diego Ca and blew some minds.
Most people didn't have a clue and couldn't quite get their minds around it.
Stunned would be a good word. These were scientists!

Recently I decided to simplify things. It really is a cell, not a lens. And the ferro part is a no-brainer.

Yes, the previous pix has a ring of LED's around it. 36 RGBY.

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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2015, 04:15:57 PM »
continued...

Here's a pix from one of my latest experiments: a ring of 36 (each 10 deg apart) RGBW LED's around a 1.2 T cube magnet
 under a 4mmx100mm cell. I've inserted a white plastic ring between the magnet and LED's to block the direct light.
This is a prime example of Surface Plasmons following the field. ;D



see hi-res pix at http://www.ferrocell.us/images/cube%20magnet%20edge-lit%20with%20blocking%20ring.JPG

Surface Plasmons: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_plasmon

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Re: the Ferrocell
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2015, 07:12:57 PM »
It's nice that in that image we can finally see that the LEDs are actually separate red, green, blue and white, not single units. So the ferrocell itself isn't separating white light into its components, but rather reflecting the light from the individually colored LEDs that are in spatially separate locations.

I think this clears up certain .... shall we say...  misconceptions about the operation of the device in the description given by someone else.

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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2015, 08:28:03 PM »
...  misconceptions about the operation of the device in the description given by someone else.

Well I've had a difficult time explaining this technology. Only recently, 2 researchers confirmed the same fundamental effects independent from one another. It's been determined that it generates surface plasmons using LED and other low-level light sources.
The results we have from laser experiments haven't been verified yet... they are mind-boggling.
It's an on-going process that I probably won't live long enough to see integrated into computers and communication devices. And plasmons are the future. I've come up with a different recipe than the 'status-quo' have and without help from independent experimenters, It doesn't have a chance.
If I was rich, I'd just give them away. Actually, I have given out quite a few over the past 10 years. ::)

As for the color thing, there is a bit of 'doppler shift' going on, too. Blue slows down to violet, red down to orange-red, and green changes hue.
My next experiment will show spectrometer graphs of the cells' absorption spectrum at different colors (wavelengths) as they pass thru.
The light ring contains 9 each of red, green, blue and white LED's. Look closely at the previous picture and you can see how the spectrum changed.
White is now yellow. Blue is violet...

In a nut-shell, this cell is making new waves from light and magnetism.

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Re: the Ferrocell
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2015, 09:54:05 AM »
Every school should have one.

 

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