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Offline SolarLab

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7980 on: December 04, 2018, 12:31:28 AM »
Forget all mathematics tricks. It won't work, unless you add external energy source to the equation - then the parametric circuit is self-explaining.

Not "mathematics tricks," it's the language of science and engineering discovery. Truncation of an input cycle can provide what would appear
to be an "external energy source" when derived internally. A resonant circuit driven with a narrow pulse is a good example; or a bell or a swing.

Anyway, just an attemp to provide some insight into why, what might have been perceived as measurement error, may have been, in fact, real.
We've all seen this on a number of ocassions but the "classics" steer us into believing it's simply a measurement anomoly. May not always be the case!

Tesla observed the action of abrupt truncation of a high voltage DC circuit and began a long journey to discover the "radiative anomoly" he
had experienced (not a subtle effect by any means, but an effect non-the-less). [truncation in this sense meaning - connect or disconnect]

Math can often times help out in isolating the real from the error. To lightly disregard it as "mathematics tricks" is fool-hardy.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7980 on: December 04, 2018, 12:31:28 AM »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7981 on: December 04, 2018, 06:01:27 AM »
Not "mathematics tricks," it's the language of science and engineering discovery. Truncation of an input cycle can provide what would appear
to be an "external energy source" when derived internally. A resonant circuit driven with a narrow pulse is a good example; or a bell or a swing.

Anyway, just an attemp to provide some insight into why, what might have been perceived as measurement error, may have been, in fact, real.
We've all seen this on a number of ocassions but the "classics" steer us into believing it's simply a measurement anomoly. May not always be the case!

Tesla observed the action of abrupt truncation of a high voltage DC circuit and began a long journey to discover the "radiative anomoly" he
had experienced (not a subtle effect by any means, but an effect non-the-less). [truncation in this sense meaning - connect or disconnect]

Math can often times help out in isolating the real from the error. To lightly disregard it as "mathematics tricks" is fool-hardy.

It is not the mathematics that are in error,it is those that carry out the math.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7982 on: December 04, 2018, 06:31:27 AM »
F.Y.I.

As is shown below, it is mathematically and practically possible to gain energy in a simple coil (inductor) circuit. At first glance it might appear as measurement error but a more detailed study might provide further insight. Rather than re-furnish the particulars; an already well written presentation is referenced below. 

http://gorchilin.com/articles/energy/RLC_4?lang=en 

In general, it's worth to note that an increase can be found; formula 4.13 through 4.20. 

To quote, in part (from slide 4) at:     "Insights"

"In this work we proved that it is impossible to gain energy in parametric circuits of the first order in the full cycle (FCC) because the energy dissipated in the resistance is always equal to the energy expended by the power formula (4.9). But if the cycle is incomplete, the receiving gain becomes achievable task. If the reactive element comprises potential energy in the beginning of the cycle (PCCIE), the increase can be found by the formula (4.13). If in the reactive element of the energy remains at the end of the cycle, then the conditions for receiving allowances, we can find according to the formula (4.15), and the increment of efficiency by (4.20).

You need to understand that in this note a mathematically strictly proved potentially achievable values of the increment of energy, part of which, in the real reactance, can be spent inefficiently, for example, on heating. However, on the basis of evidence about the energy increment in the fractional cycles, one can obtain special cases for engineering calculations, which, in turn, will allow you to build a real device with high efficiency." 

http://gorchilin.com/articles/energy/pc2?lang=en

Energy parametric circuits of the second kind. Introduction
....... Return to our reality ........ 

Mathematics may just be our friend! 

FIN

My self ,and a group of very talented people spent 2 to 3 months working on such parametric circuits not to long ago.
We were getting results with COPs in excess of 200%.

What i will tell you is that current can follow paths not considered to exist. After months of testing,we found that a portion of the input power can travel through mid air. This is the portion of P/in they are missing-they being the people in your posted papers.

There are two self running devices that i know of,and have seen running in person--but you simply will not see such devices on public forums such as this one,nor on youtube.

These are not overunity devices,but more so devices with an !unknown! power source. One of them is quite cleverly done,and extreemly simple to build. The other is more complex,and would take a well skilled machinist to construct,and a half decent EE to build the required circuits.

The first machine make use of room temperature nitanol springs-nothing out of the ordinary there,but how he is able to create the required temperature difference without consuming any power is the clever bit.

The second,more complex machine is a bit more baffling.
I have !as yet! been unable to work out as to why it continuse to run once the power source is removed,while driving the equivalent to a 320 watt load. This 320 watts i calculated quickly by how much water was raised a set hight in a given amount of time--so it is a !round about! calculation.

But as i said,these are the machines you will not find here on public forums.


Brad

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7982 on: December 04, 2018, 06:31:27 AM »
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7983 on: December 04, 2018, 01:29:16 PM »
F.Y.I.

As is shown below, it is mathematically and practically possible to gain energy in a simple coil (inductor) circuit. At first glance it might appear as measurement error but a more detailed study might provide further insight. Rather than re-furnish the particulars; an already well written presentation is referenced below. 

http://gorchilin.com/articles/energy/RLC_4?lang=en 

In general, it's worth to note that an increase can be found; formula 4.13 through 4.20. 

To quote, in part (from slide 4) at:     "Insights"

"In this work we proved that it is impossible to gain energy in parametric circuits of the first order in the full cycle (FCC) because the energy dissipated in the resistance is always equal to the energy expended by the power formula (4.9). But if the cycle is incomplete, the receiving gain becomes achievable task. If the reactive element comprises potential energy in the beginning of the cycle (PCCIE), the increase can be found by the formula (4.13). If in the reactive element of the energy remains at the end of the cycle, then the conditions for receiving allowances, we can find according to the formula (4.15), and the increment of efficiency by (4.20).

You need to understand that in this note a mathematically strictly proved potentially achievable values of the increment of energy, part of which, in the real reactance, can be spent inefficiently, for example, on heating. However, on the basis of evidence about the energy increment in the fractional cycles, one can obtain special cases for engineering calculations, which, in turn, will allow you to build a real device with high efficiency." 

http://gorchilin.com/articles/energy/pc2?lang=en

Energy parametric circuits of the second kind. Introduction
....... Return to our reality ........ 

Mathematics may just be our friend! 

FIN
It seems that You are writing about rectenna technique  handling with emissor and receptor."Parametric circuits": Ferdinand Braun and his students Mandelstam and Papalexi and their "parametric generator", today to find their trials in Nantenna circuits(MEMS-architecture).The best solution to use "parametric circuits", from my own view, is the reversible thermionic cell by Dr. Joseph Yater.Myriads of circuits per sqcm.https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19941018&CC=US&NR=5356484A&KC=A#

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7984 on: December 05, 2018, 02:10:42 PM »
would like to see that water gizzmo doing work with no input...300 Watts is almost 1/2 HP //
is the thing huge ?

remember your Star in a jar work ? http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3672.msg70419;topicseen#msg70419

trying to get Dr.Jones to OK a simple Celani protocol [not star in a jar] so more open source Labs can join in.////  //  //lots of things on the table ATM in LENR or ?? Anomalous  heat experiments// //

note to member Solar Lab//
some BUILDERS here are wanting more answers about Gorchilin's claims ?IMO a separate topic if you do experiments would be well received !
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7984 on: December 05, 2018, 02:10:42 PM »
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7985 on: December 05, 2018, 05:02:06 PM »
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The second,more complex machine is a bit more baffling.
I have !as yet! been unable to work out as to why it continuse to run once the power source is removed,while driving the equivalent to a 320 watt load. This 320 watts i calculated quickly by how much water was raised a set hight in a given amount of time--so it is a !round about! calculation.

But as i said,these are the machines you will not find here on public forums.


Are you talking about the Roche generator?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7986 on: Today at 10:33:05 AM »
@ramset,

I am sorry, are you an electrical engineer?



My employer insisted I change my username.



@tinman,

Youre still around, great.

Since Chris was banned from this forum and started his own, have you made any progress?

I see youre working on a 'drinking bird' at the moment.


I am Mr.Miyagi.


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7987 on: Today at 11:04:02 AM »
Welcome back The.Truth = I am Mr.Miyagi

Check the pdf.

This patent is related to the subject  :D

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7988 on: Today at 11:10:32 AM »
Nice find leonelogb  ;)

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« Reply #7988 on: Today at 11:10:32 AM »
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« Reply #7989 on: Today at 11:50:58 AM »
@tinman,

My research tells me you have visited Chris's website ( http://www.aboveunity.com ) on a regular basis, you even admit to it in one message ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLn5k31fL7s ).

I have visited Chris, seen his lab and machines, Chris tells me you are not able to build a solidstate machine and make it work, thats the reason you keep visiting Chris's website.

Do you have any comments on this?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7990 on: Today at 01:47:29 PM »
It is very interesting to note, Chris purchased the domain 'aboveunity.com' months before ramset ( Chester S Kremens Jr ) and tinman ( Bradley Richard Atherton ) created trouble and arranged for Chris to be banned by Stefan Hartmann.

Its clear a coordinated team effort was in effect to remove Chris. From here.

ramset ( Chester S Kremens Jr ), is no longer replying to my emails.

Getting information correct is important, all good books and docuentary's have to have accurate information. Public Domain data is pickings for all in this area. So many seem to be quite happy placing names and personal information in the public domian.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7991 on: Today at 02:04:16 PM »
Dear Anonymous //
I told you here and in the Email [my name posted here in my profile since I joined ] ,I will not respond to
a person hiding behind a handle .
the Truth will set you free
step out from behind the curtain .
and maybe bring an experiment which actually gives free energy ?//
for clarity also read the terms of service agreement on the front page ,you seem more a writer than a reader.
there is some very nasty stuff which went miles beyond TOS which happened here .
I won't print it in these pages [families read here]//
and for Clarity ,it was the NASTY STUFF which lead another member to contact Admin here and subsequent Ban.//
come into the light Anonymous....whats your name ??



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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7992 on: Today at 02:16:28 PM »
@ramset,

Thing is, you were asked nicely to leave, you didnt:

https://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg500382/#msg500382

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Chet K - Clearly youre no Gentleman - You have also been asked many times to leave.


You refuse to, which shows your intent!


I will ask you again, Chet K Please leave and don't ever come back!


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I see your intent is to discredit, to lie about the simple truths, your adgenda is to remove at all costs.




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« Reply #7993 on: Today at 02:19:14 PM »
The bold faced lies here are astounding. I have never in my life seen so many bold faced lies.

A frenzy of trepidation strikes.

Simply reading this thread gives truths, and here we see bold faced lies posted one after the other.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7994 on: Today at 02:22:50 PM »
Dear anonymous Doxer

Please provide your Name and we can begin the "reveal"

Oh and also the  Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy evidence//   Just one example will do//

 

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