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Offline gotoluc

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7740 on: February 15, 2017, 12:07:48 AM »
Here are the results of my test


Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so6HK9wLU94


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7741 on: February 15, 2017, 12:46:46 AM »




We are heading down the same path as last time!

Very few are paying attention to detail, to the most important things. Much of which I have repeated on several occasions on this and the last few pages.

What do the Currents in the Partnered Output Coils have to do?

What are the turns Ratios suggested? For some 2+ odd years now!

People just jump in boots and all and expect to Fluke it first time? Without paying any attention!

I have said it before, many times: Start with the replication of the MrPreva Experiment, learn all you can learn from that, pay very special attention to the Currents in the Coils, which in turn is the Magnetic Field if you apply the Right Hand Grip Rule!!!

Start simple, start very simple, low cost, "Little Steps for Little Feet"!!!

When, and only when you realise, and see how the Currents Oppose, will you be able to replicate on a larger scale, and see HOW Electrical Energy is "Generated"!!! Understand why this quote is so important!!! If you don't, then you cant!!!

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In the specific case of positive charges moving to the right and negative charges to the left, the effect of both actions is positive charge moving to the right. Current to the right is: I = da+ / dt + da- / dt. Negative electrons flowing to the left contribute to the current flowing to the right.


Once this is achieved, you will see your phase angle on the Input will be pushed right back, your input will drop right down, you will have something of value.

Quote from: Albert Einstein

Any fool can know. The point is to understand.




Put simply, if the Fields in the Partnered Output Coils do not Buck or Oppose, you have nothing but a Transformer and as a result, you should not expect to see anything but Transformer results!!!


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7742 on: February 15, 2017, 01:32:01 AM »
Put simply, if the Fields in the Partnered Output Coils do not Buck or Oppose, you have nothing but a Transformer and as a result, you should not expect to see anything but Transformer results!!!


The real mystery begins when you have the two secondary windings and you connect them together, like you would attempting to smoke a pair of batteries by shorting them against each other.  Only on the POC, instead of shorting and the input power going way up as one would expect, some kind of synergy forms.  That should keep you up at night because it's not normal transformer action.

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« Reply #7742 on: February 15, 2017, 01:32:01 AM »
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7743 on: February 15, 2017, 01:47:06 AM »

The real mystery begins when you have the two secondary windings and you connect them together, like you would attempting to smoke a pair of batteries by shorting them against each other.  Only on the POC, instead of shorting and the input power going way up as one would expect, some kind of synergy forms.  That should keep you up at night because it's not normal transformer action.



Dog-One - Beautifully put!!!

There is a kind of Magnetic Symmetry between the POC. This SHOULD keep people up at night, studying why this is so! This fact alone proves several things, and some here will already know, its just a phasing between the two coils, and this is true, but its also more!

GotoLuc has the Winding Direction Correct! For the Configuration he has chosen! Also the Wiring Is Correct! He has paid attention there. And so he should, I spent nearly a year (For Free) trying to help him and Tesla Energy Solutions, GotoLuc's Employer along with Chet K, with their experiments. TES are doing some good work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXP2v5ZkUw4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K69qAc3I_7c

Here in lies the same problems, small things that are over looked, and no attention paid to, as Luc says in the video: "that I have had and was going to replicate Wistiti's bucking coil test that he had done some many months back..." But alas, the entire concept of this thread has been missed! Bucking, or very much more importantly Opposing Magnetic Fields of the Partnered Output Coils!

@Gotoluc - I ask you to think why your Magnetic Fields are not opposing? Please do the MrPreva Experiment as suggested and explain why your Fields are not opposing?


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7744 on: February 15, 2017, 08:15:37 AM »
please be aware that the input current could be NO sine wave anymore and therefor the sine wave crest factor is not the 1.414
Yes indeed and without a perfect sine wave, the cos(phi) IV phase angle factor is meaningless, too.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7745 on: February 15, 2017, 02:32:41 PM »
It can be demonstrated by simulation and bench tests that a normally operating transformer constructed of a primary 'A' and connected bucking secondaries 'C' and 'D' will exhibit no output across the bucking secondaries with input to the primary under the following conditions:  The secondaries are identical in all their parameters ie turns, dcr, wire size, height and width, and have identical coupling factors and capacitances to the primary.

If output is obtained from two bucking secondaries on a transformer with the primary driven, then one or more of the above parameters is no longer equal and balanced.  The higher the unbalance between parameters, the higher the output. 

Scramble winding secondaries over already somewhat scramble wound primaries on a toroid will produce unbalanced parameters in the bucking secondaries and therefore output.  Winding a pair of bifilar secondaries over a layer wound bobbin style core or precisely placed windings on a toroid will result in reasonably well balanced buck windings that will produce little to no output.

pm

   

I agree PM,and proven via experimentation with my setup.

If we wire the two coils together one way ,we get an output,-but if wired together in the other way,we get no output at all-well in my case anyway,as both secondaries have the exact same amount of turns.
BUT-why no short when wired together to give no output(in series) ?.

I get the same result as Luc showed-in that the same output is had with using just one secondary--no difference in output is seen by joining the 2nd secondary to the first.

But again-why no short when the two secondaries are hooked in series?
If we hook batteries in series on them self,we get a big short-and the same for all other transformers that have two secondaries hooked in series.
There is also no increase in P/in,when the two secondaries are hooked in series  :o


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7746 on: February 15, 2017, 04:39:11 PM »
But again-why no short when the two secondaries are hooked in series?
If we hook batteries in series on them self,we get a big short-and the same for all other transformers that have two secondaries hooked in series.
There is also no increase in P/in,when the two secondaries are hooked in series  :o

Try that again with two oppositely phased AC sources that DO NOT have a common transformer core and see what happens.  Big short!
The two primaries become completely resistive and start aggressively dissipating power.

That's what I meant by synergy when you have a common core.  Something happens magnetically.  It's like the single core says, "Fine,
you don't want to use this electricity, I'll just send it all back to the source."  When connected this way, the primary becomes completely
reactive as though there are no secondaries wound on it at all.  It's one of those things that leaves you going,  "Hmmmm...."  If we think
for a moment though, we just wound 120 turns on the core in one direction, then wound 120 turns again in the opposite direction; that's
a net zero of turns, so we shouldn't be too surprised the primary sees nothing.  We just stepped down from X number of turns on the
primary to zero turns on the secondary.  So effectively there is no secondary.  Or we could say we have zero voltage with infinite current.
Short that out and we have zero watts.

I have to think these two examples should give us a lot of insight as to what electricity actually is as well as how we define resistance
and inductance, or should I say impedance.


Now having stated all that, suppose we make a slight variation.  We use a pair of C-Cores and we wrap the primary directly over one
of the gaps, then place one secondary on one of the core legs and the other secondary on the other core leg.  If we carefully adjust
the primary placement and the gap width we can have somewhat of a compromise between the two scenarios I just spoke about above.
We're looking for a situation where electrically we have a common core but magnetically we do not.  We want to see the big short but
we want the primary to remain as reactive as possible.  I just stated above we can say there is infinite current.  We want some of that,
mixed with a little in-phase voltage, to get real watts.  We want to do that in a way where there is no possibility of the primary keeping
up due to its resistance (lots of turns of small gauge wire), so that Pout exceeds Pin.

Yes, no, maybe so?

I'm sure Chris has tried hundreds of similar variations like this.  What works and what does not?


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« Reply #7746 on: February 15, 2017, 04:39:11 PM »
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7747 on: February 15, 2017, 05:05:34 PM »
I agree PM,and proven via experimentation with my setup.

If we wire the two coils together one way ,we get an output,-but if wired together in the other way,we get no output at all-well in my case anyway,as both secondaries have the exact same amount of turns.
BUT-why no short when wired together to give no output(in series) ?.

I get the same result as Luc showed-in that the same output is had with using just one secondary--no difference in output is seen by joining the 2nd secondary to the first.

But again-why no short when the two secondaries are hooked in series?
If we hook batteries in series on them self,we get a big short-and the same for all other transformers that have two secondaries hooked in series.
There is also no increase in P/in,when the two secondaries are hooked in series  :o


Brad

Brad,

The easiest way to answer your question is with the circuits attached that show the options for series and parallel connections.  These ideal secondaries are located on a core material with a primary winding (not shown) driven by an AC voltage source.

"A" and "C" are series and parallel connections that need no further explanation. 

"B" is a series buck configuration which has no voltage across RL and no current flow in L1 or L2.

"D" is a parallel buck arrangement which exhibits no voltage across RL but has equal circulating currents in L1 and L2.

IMO, the circuits shown by Wistiti, Luc, and yourself are of the "C" type and will normally always be conservative without the addition of parametric, magneto-dielectric, etc, functions.

The Preva device is type "D" with loads in series with each secondary.  Again, this device is conservative without the above exceptions as I demonstrated in my post #7763.

In review of that post I see that I missed answering posts from Chris and yourself so I'll do so here.  Chris, yes the currents shown in the scope pix are confirmed as they are seen.  Brad, the energy lost in the dcr of the inductors, etc is very small (<1%) compared to the overall output.  As I stated in my correction post #7767, the accurate efficiency of my test ended up at ~92%.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7748 on: February 15, 2017, 06:44:25 PM »
Did anyone ever tried to use the bucking coils as input only and put a third, output coil between them, and then use a cap on one of the two bucking coils to bring it out of phase by 90deg. Maybe the reactive field of the coil to that 90deg out of phase primary would be a further 90 deg off and therefor add to the other primary field of the uncapped bucking coil. Just a thought.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7749 on: February 15, 2017, 10:21:38 PM »
Try that again with two oppositely phased AC sources that DO NOT have a common transformer core and see what happens.  Big short!
The two primaries become completely resistive and start aggressively dissipating power.

That's what I meant by synergy when you have a common core.  Something happens magnetically.  It's like the single core says, "Fine,
you don't want to use this electricity, I'll just send it all back to the source."  When connected this way, the primary becomes completely
reactive as though there are no secondaries wound on it at all.  It's one of those things that leaves you going,  "Hmmmm...."  If we think
for a moment though, we just wound 120 turns on the core in one direction, then wound 120 turns again in the opposite direction; that's
a net zero of turns, so we shouldn't be too surprised the primary sees nothing.  We just stepped down from X number of turns on the
primary to zero turns on the secondary.  So effectively there is no secondary.  Or we could say we have zero voltage with infinite current.
Short that out and we have zero watts.

I have to think these two examples should give us a lot of insight as to what electricity actually is as well as how we define resistance
and inductance, or should I say impedance.


Now having stated all that, suppose we make a slight variation.  We use a pair of C-Cores and we wrap the primary directly over one
of the gaps, then place one secondary on one of the core legs and the other secondary on the other core leg.  If we carefully adjust
the primary placement and the gap width we can have somewhat of a compromise between the two scenarios I just spoke about above.
We're looking for a situation where electrically we have a common core but magnetically we do not.  We want to see the big short but
we want the primary to remain as reactive as possible.  I just stated above we can say there is infinite current.  We want some of that,
mixed with a little in-phase voltage, to get real watts.  We want to do that in a way where there is no possibility of the primary keeping
up due to its resistance (lots of turns of small gauge wire), so that Pout exceeds Pin.

Yes, no, maybe so?

I'm sure Chris has tried hundreds of similar variations like this.  What works and what does not?



Hey Dog-One,

I have been exactly where your thought processes are right now. I was sitting, studying, and it was afternoon, and the sun was shinning in on me... I had a Flash of insight...

Imagine the Core that contains the Flux (B) inside the Core, and Outside the Core we have the Magnetic A Vector Potential, but only if the Magnetic Field is changing in Time, now a single Coil on the Core see's no Action/Reaction if the Magnetic Field is not changing in Time, thus we have no Magnetic A Vector Potential, this is Zero State.

Note: The Magnetic A Vector Potential have a Curl, or a Spin to it.

Now if the Magnetic A Vector Potential is moved forward the Curl or Spin has a net positive Force on the Singular Coil, creating a movement of Electrons in the opposite direction if Loaded, but that's not all!!!

There is a Polarisation, where the Aligning Magnetic Moments of the Atoms and all charged particles inside the Copper wire are all moving into alignment with the applied Fields. Much like a Spinning Top aligns itself with the Axis of Rotation, Charged Particles Align with the Applied Field. This is super important and will be the basis for all Gravity Manipulation devices in the Future - The Lens Thirring or the Protational Field. More than a Singular Polarisation will be needed however!

The opposite is also true, if the Magnetic A Vector Potential is moved Backward, then the Atoms Align in the Opposite direction, Electrons move in the other direction, opposing the Change. This is the BH Curve, or Hysteresis.

By Introducing Two Coils, Partnered Output Coils, each wound in opposing directions (CW and CCW respectively), we see the phasing of the Coils is the same, but all the effects mentioned above are, Polarisation, and the effects of this polarisation are forced out. They are not Zero, or Null, they, the very movement of Mass, creates its own Field!!!


Do you know what this Field is called?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7750 on: February 15, 2017, 11:56:00 PM »



It is amazing, the human psyche Is a very interesting beast.

When faced with the hardest problems it seems that it is all to easy to give up. Some of the hardest problems turn out to be the most simple once they are tackled with the right frame of mind. That is if ones frame of mind is such that it chooses to tackle the problem at hand.

Common People, lets solve this problem - Why were GotoLuc's Coils not Opposing? It is actually very simple!!!

A Clue:

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When the coefficient of coupling, k is equal to 1, (unity) such that all the lines of flux of one coil cuts all of the turns of the second coil, that is the two coils are tightly coupled together, the resulting mutual inductance will be equal to the geometric mean of the two individual inductances of the coils.



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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7751 on: February 16, 2017, 09:07:23 AM »
Common People, lets solve this problem - Why were GotoLuc's Coils not Opposing? It is actually very simple!!!
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Hey Chris, i take your challenge:


My answer is:
a) K (coupling) from PRIMARY to left SECONDARY if fine
b) K (coupling) from PRIMARY to right SECONDARY if fine
c) K (coupling) from left SECONDARY to right SECONDARY if bad
(field of left SECONDARY can not reach/influence the field of the right SECONDARY)


Also the over dimension ed core may play a role due to the fact that he is working in the very lower edges of the B/H curve


BTW:
Does someone here have the Video Link available which shows William(Bill) Alek comparing the regular and bucking transformer at some energy conference
I am replicating this right now and want to have a look on his winding direction but can not find it anymore - please help if you can


Thanks, bitbo






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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7752 on: February 16, 2017, 11:22:49 AM »


Hey Chris, i take your challenge:


My answer is:
a) K (coupling) from PRIMARY to left SECONDARY if fine
b) K (coupling) from PRIMARY to right SECONDARY if fine
c) K (coupling) from left SECONDARY to right SECONDARY if bad
(field of left SECONDARY can not reach/influence the field of the right SECONDARY)


Also the over dimension ed core may play a role due to the fact that he is working in the very lower edges of the B/H curve


BTW:
Does someone here have the Video Link available which shows William(Bill) Alek comparing the regular and bucking transformer at some energy conference
I am replicating this right now and want to have a look on his winding direction but can not find it anymore - please help if you can


Thanks, bitbo









Hey BitBo - Yes Sir!!! Exactly: "field of left SECONDARY can not reach/influence the field of the right SECONDARY"

The dominating Flux is that of the Primary in Both Cases, Both Secondaries are being Driven by the Primary, and each Secondary is not able to Induce Current from each others Magnetic Fields. Exactly!!! So Coupling of Coefficient (k), is highest from the Primary to each Secondary, and not Secondary to Secondary, this is nearly Zero.

So, some fiddling is required here, I will let you sort out what's required to avoid this problem, because now you know this, the rest is easy, but here are some hints:


For the experimenters, the ones that dont spend all day on the Keyboard!

There is two ways to Power these Partnered Output Coils:
1: Brute Force - This way is not bennificial!!!
2: Sensitively - Use your Senses, Visual, Gut Feeling, Logic and Common Sense....

Why you may ask, well I will give you an example. My Load Light was not very bright in the videos. It was dim. When I connected/Shorted the partnered Output Coils, I saw a large Increase in Light on the Globe! I could see a bennificial advantage to shorting the Partnered Output Coils! My load was seeing more Power through it when I had the Partnered Output Coils Shorted at no extra cost on the Input!!!

Now, if I had the Light at full brightness, then shorting the Partnered Output Coils did not show the effects so much!It was hard to see.

There is a limit to what Partnered Output Coils can do! What does this mean? Well all Electrical Generators are rated to a particular output! 750 Watts, 1KW, 10KW... Electromagnetic Induction is simply the limit. Factors such as the Coil Size, Magnetic Field Strength, Time Rate of Change (aka Frequency), you see what I mean here.

Small cores cant carry much Flux! Coil turns are limited, so start small and start with low power! Dont over drive it, choke it off!!!

Again, look for the effects, follow your senses!




E.G; Loose Coupling is a requirement!



What is a surprise here, is who is here helping and who is not? Cifta, TK, PW, Verpies, you blokes up to this? Not in any order...

Nice Work BitBo!!!


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7753 on: February 16, 2017, 12:15:13 PM »
Coming back to the Video link of William(Bill) Alek - does someone has this link?


BTW: Attached what i am building right now.....


(second image shows how i simplified the winding process)

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7754 on: February 16, 2017, 01:08:49 PM »
This setup will allow me to try several combinations:


a) Primary coil on the left (bifilar or parallel wired), bucking secondaries in the middle
b) Primary coil on the right (single wire, not yet wound), bucking secondaries in the middle[/size]
c) Primary coil on the left AND right (bifilar or parallel wired), bucking secondaries in the middle[/size]
d) Primary coil on the left (bifilar or parallel wired), bucking secondaries in the middle, tertiary on the right (bifilar or parallel or single)[/size]

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I do not have much time for this these days, but we will see what i get from it


I´ll keep you informed here....


bitbo


 

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