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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7515 on: November 29, 2016, 04:04:42 AM »

I should point out, the total Impedance is changed, not just the Inductance.




I should explain for those that are not so experienced with Coils and Transformers. For those more experienced than myself, please correct me if you see errors.

In a conventional Transformer, as the Load is increased on the output, the Input sees a lower total Impedance. Remember Impedance is a combination of Reactance and Resistance, both are measured in Ohms.

The Higher the Impedance in Value, the less Current can flow in the Primary Coil, also the less the Impedance the more Current can flow.

As a transformer moves toward saturation, the higher the Magnetic Field is, the less Inductance the Coils have, the coils just become a resistive element with next to no Inductance, which means all the Reactance will be lost. At this point the Impedance is just the DC Resistance of the Coil. This is the reason we see Transformer Burn Outs because they are melted to the point where Short Circuits occur and complete meltdown occurs.

Thus, it is best to avoid Saturation in Transformers, in most all cases. Saturable reactors are an example where it depends on Saturation to bring about some cool effects, like controlling large signals with small ones.

What I am trying to say, is as the Output Load is increased, The more Current drawn on the Output, the more current is drawn on the Input, in a Conventional Transformer, and the more Current in the Turns means a higher Magnetic Field, the Higher the Magnetic Field get's the Closer to Saturation the Transformer becomes.

With what we have shown, this is the opposite. The more Current drawn on the Output, the Less Load the Input sees!!! The Less the Input Current required and the Lower the Magnetic Field needed to do the same work.

The Reactance is Higher because the Inductance is Higher, and the Input drops as a result. Here we see a higher total Impedance because of this, the Magnetic Fields are lower in value.

You can think of Reactance as the AC Resistance and the Resistance as the DC Resistance, as if you were to put DC across the Coil. This is just I2R Losses of the Coil as Heat.

The AC Resistance is the Resistance to the Change, through Self Induction, of the Coil. Again, this is Electromagnetic Induction, but between the Turns of the Coil.


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7516 on: November 29, 2016, 06:08:14 AM »



Hey Brad - Are you sure? With any increase in Magnetic Field, there should always be a reduction in Inductance... How could simply Loading a Coil increase its inductance? Nothing else has changed, Core Permeability, Turns, Area...

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Yes,im sure.
You are reducing eddy current losses-an impedance,when loading the secondary.
That loss is now being used to create a greater magnetic field ,which in turn increases the backEMF,and so you get a higher inductance value.


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« Reply #7517 on: November 29, 2016, 11:24:31 PM »
Yes,im sure.
You are reducing eddy current losses-an impedance,when loading the secondary.
That loss is now being used to create a greater magnetic field ,which in turn increases the backEMF,and so you get a higher inductance value.


Brad.



Hi Brad, I am afraid I am going to have to disagree with some of what you say there.



You are reducing eddy current losses-an impedance,when loading the secondary.



This is correct, this is the basic end result.



That loss is now being used to create a greater magnetic field ,which in turn increases the backEMF,and so you get a higher inductance value.



We can use a very much smaller Magnetic Field, but get the same result. Why is there a smaller Magnetic Field, simply because the Input drops right down, less current through N Turns equates to less Magnetic Field.

BUT we get more Output!!!

There is a catch here however, the Magnetic Field is changing in time, and as we know a Changing Magnetic Field in the presence of a properly arranged Inductor Induces an EMF via Faradays Law of Electromagnetic Induction.

This means as we draw Current on the Output, the Input drops in Current, less Magnetic Field on the Input, but the Output arrangement is compensating and the magnetic Field Is also compensated for. So the TOTAL Magnetic Flux in the core has a steady average over time.

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« Reply #7518 on: November 29, 2016, 11:45:53 PM »
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We can use a very much smaller Magnetic Field, but get the same result. Why is there a smaller Magnetic Field, simply because the Input drops right down, less current through N Turns equates to less Magnetic Field.

That is because eddy currents do not produce a CEMF,where as the loaded secondary will.

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BUT we get more Output!!!

Of course you do.
In stead of the primaries magnetic field producing heat by way of eddy current production,it is now coupling to a secondary ,that is now producing a magnetic field that apposes that which created it-CEMF.

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There is a catch here however, the Magnetic Field is changing in time, and as we know a Changing Magnetic Field in the presence of a properly arranged Inductor Induces an EMF via Faradays Law of Electromagnetic Induction.

Current through the primary induces a magnetic field that changes in time,and a magnetic field that changes in time produces a current through the secondary.

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This means as we draw Current on the Output, the Input drops in Current, less Magnetic Field on the Input,

Not normally.
When a current is drawn from the secondary,the impedance on the primary would drop,due to a reduction in inductance value. This causes a higher current to flow through the primary when a load is placed on the secondary.

In this case though,the load on the primary before there is a load placed on the secondary,is the production of eddy currents within the core. This load(eddy currents) is lifted from the primary,when a load is attached to the secondary.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7519 on: November 30, 2016, 12:11:24 AM »



Without looking it up, and if memory serves, Eddy Currents are only a problem in Conductive Core Materials, use a Ferrite and the Eddy Current problem is no longer a problem in the Core.

I guess the "Eddy Current" phenomena is an easy one to solve. So if its not Eddy Currents, what else is the possible cause for what we are seeing?

I mean we cant give "Eddy Currents" the credit for what we are dealing with here.

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P.S: I am really sorry, reading back, the use of: "less Magnetic Field on the Input" was really bad! I should have said instead: "the Input Coil has less Magnetising Turns" because the Turns N has less Current I through them.

P.P.S: See YouTube for the experiments with Levitating Coils over Conductive Plate due to Eddy Currents/Lenz's Law: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nTewAjhGsY



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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7520 on: November 30, 2016, 12:42:00 AM »


Without looking it up, and if memory serves, Eddy Currents are only a problem in Conductive Core Materials, use a Ferrite and the Eddy Current problem is no longer a problem in the Core.

I guess the "Eddy Current" phenomena is an easy one to solve. So if its not Eddy Currents, what else is the possible cause for what we are seeing?

I mean we cant give "Eddy Currents" the credit for what we are dealing with here.

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P.S: I am really sorry, reading back, the use of: "less Magnetic Field on the Input" was really bad! I should have said instead: "the Input Coil has less Magnetising Turns" because the Turns N has less Current I through them.


It depends on how high the freq of operation is as to whether eddy currents happen within the winding dramatically or not. The eddy issue is always there, just more of a problem with larger wire and higher freq. So then came litz wire. The least amount of eddy effect in the wire as possible.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7521 on: November 30, 2016, 12:56:49 AM »

It depends on how high the freq of operation is as to whether eddy currents happen within the winding dramatically or not. The eddy issue is always there, just more of a problem with larger wire and higher freq. So then came litz wire. The least amount of eddy effect in the wire as possible.

Mags



Hi Mags - Only in a Closed Circuit Conductor, but there is another name for this, Lenz's Law, Eddy Currents is derived from Lenz's Law, which is an addition to Faradays Law. Yes It is confusing.


Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddy_current


Eddy currents (also called Foucault currents[1]) are loops of electrical current induced within conductors by a changing magnetic field in the conductor, due to Faraday's law of induction. Eddy currents flow in closed loops within conductors, in planes perpendicular to the magnetic field. They can be induced within nearby stationary conductors by a time-varying magnetic field created by an AC electromagnet or transformer, for example, or by relative motion between a magnet and a nearby conductor. The magnitude of the current in a given loop is proportional to the strength of the magnetic field, the area of the loop, and the rate of change of flux, and inversely proportional to the resistivity of the material.

By Lenz's law, an eddy current creates a magnetic field that opposes the magnetic field that created it, and thus eddy currents react back on the source of the magnetic field. For example, a nearby conductive surface will exert a drag force on a moving magnet that opposes its motion, due to eddy currents induced in the surface by the moving magnetic field. This effect is employed in eddy current brakes which are used to stop rotating power tools quickly when they are turned off. The current flowing through the resistance of the conductor also dissipates energy as heat in the material. Thus eddy currents are a cause of energy loss in alternating current (AC) inductors, transformers, electric motors and generators, and other AC machinery, requiring special construction such as laminated magnetic cores or ferrite cores to minimize them. Eddy currents are also used to heat objects in induction heating furnaces and equipment, and to detect cracks and flaws in metal parts using eddy-current testing instruments.




Thus, a Core Material is only susceptible to Eddy Currents if there is a Conductive Material used. Other wise no to very little Eddy Currents in the Core Material.

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P.S: You're right, it is always there, and we should be thankful for that!!! Without Lenz's Law we would have no Electricity at all! Its a beast we can tame and use to do work for us is what I am saying!.


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« Reply #7522 on: November 30, 2016, 02:31:30 AM »
Thus, a Core Material is only susceptible to Eddy Currents if there is a Conductive Material used. Other wise no to very little Eddy Currents in the Core Material.

As I said before:
So in about 100 years we have been disconnected from the progress made in the field:

1. Back in the Franklin's time, people used solid iron rods for their electromagnets.
2. In Tesla's time, it was known the benefit of lamination of the iron cores.
3. In his patent 524426, Tesla showed the effects of phase shift due to the reluctance of the cores (see  Naudin experiment) by interrupting the magnetic circuit.
4. Later Tesla got rid of the iron completely from the core of its coils.

But I guess you didn't consider it because I was addressing allcanadian.
Yet later:
1894: US Patent 524,426 (the one Naudin made the suggested tests)
1896: US Patent 555,190 Alternating Motor

These were the last patents where Tesla used in purpose the iron in the cores and in my opinion, it was only to secure the methods of AC machines as they were its babies.

At the turn of century as his work was complete, Tesla stepped away from iron cored machines. He still used them, same as we use them today. Same as some dentists nowadays are still using mercury amalgams in tooth cavities. We proudly call this: tradition.

1901: US Patent 685,953 Method Of Intensifying And Utilizing Effects Transmitted Through Natural Media (application filled 1899)
1901: US Patent 685,954 Method Of Utilizing Effects Transmitted Through Natural Media (application filled 1899)
1901: US Patent 685,953 Method Of Intensifying And Utilizing Effects Transmitted Through Natural Media (application filled 1900)
1901: US Patent 685,012 Means For Increasing The Intensity Of Electrical Oscillations (application filled 1900)

There was no iron in friggin' “Natural Media” and he was not “Increasing The Intensity Of Electrical Oscillations” to make apple candies…

We are still studying methods from 120 years ago using “Dog and Pony Show” methods distributed through youtube? That is in my view an abomination on itself, not mentioning the cheers and drooling from the gallery.

The Master himself delivered the study materials and if we cannot comprehend them, it is our fault. The solution is not to religiously watch mindless demonstrations from illiterates or Doctors alike and worship them as our heroes. We cannot drop into that condition as we want and need to evolve.

The invitation is for all of you. I know we all want solutions but it wont happen before we identify the real problem, then look into our options with our minds not scopes. It all requires our personal mental effort not books of the past. We still didn't figure out what Tesla was talking about and we still have problems with Lenz?

After so much time, talking to Magluvin you came to conclusion:
P.S: You're right, it is always there, and we should be thankful for that!!! Without Lenz's Law we would have no Electricity at all! Its a beast we can tame and use to do work for us is what I am saying!.

I would add that we have now a method too for controlling of what could zap us.
I guess it's about time to bury the war hatchet by apologizing to the drag queens you didn't pay attention.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7523 on: November 30, 2016, 06:53:47 AM »


There is a catch here however, the Magnetic Field is changing in time, and as we know a Changing Magnetic Field in the presence of a properly arranged Inductor Induces an EMF via Faradays Law of Electromagnetic Induction.

This means as we draw Current on the Output, the Input drops in Current, less Magnetic Field on the Input, but the Output arrangement is compensating and the magnetic Field Is also compensated for. So the TOTAL Magnetic Flux in the core has a steady average over time.




@Brad - Floyd Sweet put it best:


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The feedback loop: Previously mentioned, you will more clearly see how the loop functions at the time you see the physical construction of the stationary armature of stator assembly. The underlying principal (forget Millikan’s experiment) has been derived in that magnetic effects vary on the square of the current. As the load on the machine increases, the volt-ampere product increases. The rate of flow of charges increases. Quantum mechanics state not all electrons in copper are free to carry charges. Then it’s time to set the wheels in motion to free them from binding magnetic forces. Once this is done, conductivity will improve and resistance decrease as we are dealing only with electrons. Copper will not change to another metal as atoms which are mostly empty space would have many electrons to spare anyway. To free enough electrons to effect conversion would require magnetic forces approaching infinity.

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Losses diminish and more charges drawn from the now coherent space field flow at a faster rate as current to the load. This means as more current is required by varying loads more feedback magnetomotive forces free more electrons from binding forces complimented by potential magnetic forces of the orientated, coherent space field.


You know, I never get tired of reading Floyd Sweets Papers.


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« Reply #7524 on: November 30, 2016, 07:03:16 AM »




Millikan’s experiment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMfYHag7Liw


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The oil drop experiment was performed by Robert A. Millikan and Harvey Fletcher in 1909 to measure the elementary electric charge (the charge of the electron).

The experiment entailed observing tiny charged droplets of oil between two horizontal metal electrodes. First, with zero applied electric field, the terminal velocity of a droplet was measured. At terminal velocity, the drag force equals the gravitational force, and these depend on the radius in different ways, so that the radius of the droplet, and therefore the mass and gravitational force, could be determined (using the known density of the oil). Then an adjustable voltage was applied between the plates to induce an electric field, and the voltage was adjusted until the drops were suspended in mechanical equilibrium, indicating that the electrical force and the gravitational force were balanced. Now using the known electric field, Millikan and Fletcher could determine the charge on the oil droplet. By repeating the experiment for many droplets, they confirmed that the charges were all small integer multiples of a certain base value, which was found to be 1.5924(17)×10−19 C, less than a 1% difference from the currently accepted value of 1.602176487(40)×10−19 C.[1] They proposed that this was the (negative of the) charge of a single electron.




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« Reply #7525 on: November 30, 2016, 09:18:40 PM »



I should point out, when Floyd Sweet talked about the: "coherent space field" he means a Magnetic Field, that's all it is. Random, non orientated Space Field, or the Aetheric Field, has now been Orientated and is now Coherent because of the Magnetising force:


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A magnetic field consisting of so called abstract lines of force or flux, contrary to popular belief is not a property of an electromagnet or a permanent magnet, any more than water is a property of the pipe it flows through. It is a property of a universal space field consisting of incoherent individual packets of energy, magnetic in nature. These packets or quanta, are magnetic ash, a spin-off of the Big Bang some 15-20 billion years ago. All space is permeated by these dimensionless quanta as related to our three dimensional space.




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« Reply #7526 on: December 01, 2016, 02:37:49 PM »


I should point out, when Floyd Sweet talked about the: "coherent space field" he means a Magnetic Field, that's all it is. Random, non orientated Space Field, or the Aetheric Field, has now been Orientated and is now Coherent because of the Magnetising force:



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Anyone ever manage to replicate the VTA ?

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« Reply #7527 on: December 02, 2016, 10:23:32 AM »
Anyone ever manage to replicate the VTA ?


Floyd Sweet was a True Blue Genius, he most definitely researched "Other" Peoples Devices, we know for sure one was the UDT of Paul Raymond Jensen. Floyd talks about it in one of his papers:

Quote from: Magnetic Resonance by Floyd A. Sweet. PH. D.pdf

Referring to the Jensen machine stated: natural magnetic resonance freq = 2.80GHz the nuclear magnetic resonance of a free electron when charges in magnetic states are induced by magnetic field the changes in states causes a condition called electron paramagnetic resonance, or EPR. The EPR of a free electron is 2.80 H MC.

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Let’s assume the Jensen amplifying transformer is in a resonating condition. Its output is connected to a transmission line which is X number of miles long. Without any customer load at all, power will be required to change the line.




I show some images in my videos.


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« Reply #7528 on: December 03, 2016, 11:25:12 PM »







History Repeats...


I want to make an appeal to YOU

I think this is more important than any other issue we face in todays world. Energy and Energy Independence.

Graham Gunderson has shown you its completeness, its simplicity, the device that has the very same concepts that countless others through out history have shown:

   1: Input in Resonance
   2: Two Output Coils arranged as One (Partnered Output Coils)
   3: Excess Electrical Energy Output

Yet YOU are letting this slip away from you! The Threads are dead, none are interested, YOU are too busy Trying to Save the World, from History Repeating.

Right now, its your turn, your turn to stop repeating our mistakes of the past, take the steering wheel and take control.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7529 on: December 04, 2016, 12:10:33 AM »



Re; the Graham Gunderson Demonstration, I have tried to tell you that a Demonstration will not help:




@All

A Demonstration will not help you! What will help you, is reading and learning the detailed descriptions I have given you and also putting the Diagrams/Schematics/Animations together.




You have to know what to aim for. What you're looking for and where to go. Add turns, or removing turns from the Partnered Output Coils to get a better efficiency.


There are still some unknowns, there is a relationship between the Turns of the Coils that I just cant put my finger on.

Anywhere from about 5:1 to 1:3 seems to be an open door but this is not always the case. I don't know why.


This is definitely a Magnetic Phenomena, its definitely Inductive, Electromagnetic Induction, The Magnetic Fields all work together and must work in such a way as to Invoke a higher Induction than normal, the start is exactly as John.K1 shared from the MrPreva works. Which is exactly the same as Don Smith's works, which is also the same as countless others...



Lets all learn from these people and make real change! We have the ability right now to change the world forever!

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