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Offline itsu

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7410 on: October 22, 2016, 11:03:27 AM »

Hi Wistiti,

thanks for the video, that sure looks strange, however did you ever measure the input current with and without the ledbulb?
I think you will find that the circuit without the ledbulb somehow draws more input current (heavier load) then with the ledbulb  :o

I will see if i can find a similar ledbulb and do some tests.


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7411 on: October 22, 2016, 04:18:29 PM »
Hey Wistiti, EMjunkie, Itsu, SkyWatcher, happy to work with you all...

I got some news for you :D

Transformer ready and balanced all 4 coils :) You can't imagine how hard is to wound the secondary coils with 1.2mm copper, in perfect order and both the same time!!  :P

The transformer is giant :) needs lots of power to work properly in my opinion.. but I couldn't wait to make another circuit, so I test it with the old one..

I will not risk again measure the secondary with a multimeter :) I will just measure input voltage and current
with load and without..

Battery unconnected has just 4.3Volt! (1x18650)

I connect the battery to circuit..
I measure the voltage and current on the battery, connected to circuit with no load (secondary open)
3.87 Volt - 0.49 Amps = 1.8963 Watt

and with secondary sorted (full load)
3.99 Volt - 0.34 Amps = 1.3566 Watt

That is 39.78% less power at input when load is full??  ???

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7412 on: October 22, 2016, 04:33:08 PM »
I forgot to tell you the bad news.. I have no idea about the number of turns of any coil.. the only think I know is that primaries have 4.2 Ohm and 1.96 mH each (inductance measured with the Mastech MY6243). Secondaries are 2.2 Ohm each <1mH. The turns of secondary need to be more but I was too lazy to add more, so I think its step down transformer.. less voltage at output than input. But I may add more turns to raise voltage if needed. We ll see.

Still waiting for the new osciloscope and few other instruments.

I will do some testings at the primary for today that I have in mind.. I want to test same wounded coils at the primary and few other things.. We have to define the best coils position and orientation in case the transformer can give more.. I am sure it can give more as is, if we provide more power!

A good circuit is needed now to drive the monster :)
« Last Edit: October 22, 2016, 08:28:31 PM by l0stf0x »

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Offline itsu

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7413 on: October 23, 2016, 11:09:37 AM »
Hi Wistiti,

thanks for the video, that sure looks strange, however did you ever measure the input current with and without the ledbulb?
I think you will find that the circuit without the ledbulb somehow draws more input current (heavier load) then with the ledbulb  :o

I will see if i can find a similar ledbulb and do some tests.


Regards Itsu

I cannot replicate that behaviour, at least not with ONLY a FWBR at the output followed by the ledbulb (a set of series/parallel leds in my case).
I do see it when having a resistive load (470 Ohm resistor) on the dc side of the FWBR parallel with the leds but only small.

But it shows that when connecting the leds (parallel to the 470 Ohm resistor), the input voltage increases a few tenths of a millivolt and at the same
time the input current drops somewhat.

I have the same effect when using a 6V incandescent lamp instead of the leds.

Itsu

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7414 on: October 23, 2016, 03:56:03 PM »
Hey lostfox, am really happy your are in with us too!!! :)
Really a nice clean build. Is in it strange and really interesting the fact that when fully load (short) at the output the input power is low!!! I think, just for that, this poc is a must. Im curious if the short secondary consume more power than the input...? Thank you for your great work!


Itsu, i also see than the result is not the same when using different load... There must have a kind of balancing to find...

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7415 on: October 23, 2016, 04:03:16 PM »
Lostfox, have you try with a core in your coil?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7416 on: October 23, 2016, 05:24:13 PM »
Hi Wistiti, :) not yet, I had that on my mind since the whistle exist at the new poc. So the noise its not from the core.

I will try to fit a core anyway :)

I almost double the secondary turns and the gain increased!!  (full load)(same battery, same voltage)
I got 4 Volt - 0.28 Amps !!
from
3.99 Volt - 0.34 Amps (before adding turns)

there is 6mm gap between primary and secondary, so I think the primary need more turns to get closer to secondary.
I was thinking to change the wire at primaries from 0.8mm to 0.3mm. I got plenty of this wire so the gap will be minimized.
That will raise the inductance of primary and maybe we'll get better results. we' ll see.


Lostfox, have you try with a core in your coil?

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Offline l0stf0x

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7417 on: October 23, 2016, 05:57:47 PM »
@ Wistiti, Nope! with cores the gain disappears!

Maybe its not the proper way to place cores but that way we lose the gain.

the circuit consumes 1mA more with the cores! same voltage.


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7418 on: October 23, 2016, 06:30:41 PM »
The core to be productive needs to be between the two (primary-secondary) and not inside the primaries.
So I tried with few laminations between. and the result is much less gain than without just 0.03A less power only.

the laminations need to be oriented 90 degree and to be many too, to see if it has better result. That is impossible with this setup..
there is no enough space to fit that kind of core :-\ this need new transformer or new primaries.

Or maybe I could try placing peaces of thin iron wire between and see the difference.. I know its not the proper core but trying different things may help us understand better :)



« Last Edit: October 23, 2016, 08:54:52 PM by l0stf0x »

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« Reply #7419 on: October 23, 2016, 09:42:37 PM »
 :o ok
Thank you for giving us your results!
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So as i see it for your device, air core are better... I have personally never try it... I will!!! :)

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7420 on: October 24, 2016, 02:43:11 AM »
Chris, what are your thinking about air core???

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7421 on: October 24, 2016, 05:47:33 AM »
Chris, what are your thinking about air core???



Hey Guys, this is great to see!

You guys need to be commended! Not many actually do the work anymore!

@Wisiti - Let there be no Limit, but, personally I have not been able to get good results with Air Core, but LostFox just might have shown us how!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7422 on: October 24, 2016, 06:01:12 AM »
Hey lostfox, am really happy your are in with us too!!! :)
Really a nice clean build. Is in it strange and really interesting the fact that when fully load (short) at the output the input power is low!!! I think, just for that, this poc is a must. Im curious if the short secondary consume more power than the input...? Thank you for your great work!


Itsu, i also see than the result is not the same when using different load... There must have a kind of balancing to find...



@Wistiti - This is EXACTLY right!!!

This Balance is the Current in the POCoils, because this is the Magnetic Field, its the Magnetic Field that does the work, Current x throuh Turns x is the Magnetic Field, so if the magnetic Field is low, then less work can be done!


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7423 on: October 24, 2016, 03:23:46 PM »
Hi Itsu, I know I am not as experienced as you.. but I want to suggest you to make at least a small air transformer and test it.. Trust me on that, you will not be disappointed. ;) And all of you guys I made measurements again at the old ferrite setup and there was not gain.. I just had slightly better results than Itsu just by luck I think.

I played alot with the primaries.. And I saw the transformer to act like a simple transformer by just position them differently only.

So first of all I hope that you didn't start yet making it, because I have some good news for you, that will make your life easier.

I test the third coil I had .. I placed it at the position of the unwounded/wounded primary coil.. So I placed to identical coils for primaries..\\

If you place them the same direction they do nothing.. If you place them opposite direction they act as they were Boc :) And we have the same gain exactly!!! I double check it :)

So with few words don't waste time unwinding and winding the one primary.. just use to identical coils and position them to look opposite directions..

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Also EMjunkie is right.. primary need thin wire and lots of turns to make two good electromagnets.
Secondary need thicker wire and calculation of ratio of turns to get the voltage range you need. (I would say also alot of turns.. I did it and the gain increased!)

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I also tested the primary 90 degrees positioned inside the secondary... Nothing!
I also placed magnetic fields all around with many combinations, and also I tried to place other primary inside the old trying to divert and/or concentrate magnetic field to the outer side of primaries... Nothing and worst :)

So I suggest to team and everyone is interested to stick to the known air coils design. the only difficulty is the secondaries.

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I found 2 identical coils from microwave fans (same as Wistiti's :)).. and I am about to make a small air transformer just to duplicate the success, and also to understand few thinks more.

Please test it.. :) More people more thinking power.



ps. We have to start thinking combining 2 or more transformers in the same circuit to make the gain we need!  :o

« Last Edit: October 24, 2016, 06:48:02 PM by l0stf0x »

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« Reply #7424 on: October 24, 2016, 07:18:13 PM »
Hi Lostfox!
Can you post a picture or schematic of you new setup? I would like to reproduce but not sure to all understand...
Thank you!

 

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