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Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7215 on: September 09, 2016, 12:13:39 PM »
I honestly believe a lot of people would be quite surprised to see even One independent verification
of any partnered coil self running.

Just one will do !

it has been 1 or 2 years since the resident metrologist fastidiously followed your instructions on your original Free energy claim here and found no such Free energy
actually he found errors in your measurement protocols ,I am not saying that as a slight ..he is after all a trained metrologist and making proper measurement is his field of study and practice.... to the Highest industry standards .

perhaps since you are assisting Magluvin and Forrest you could assist them in reaching this goal ?
and that way someone will actually get to see this Free energy and actually get to see how you measure it ?

and then you can add it to YOUR scoreboard of success's and Life achievements.[which I might add does seem to be posted in a manner which enhances your stance in  your community ??? and seemingly without permission or even qualification
from the persons on the list ??

sincere and hopeful

Chet K




Hi Chet - A Fair post, even though I am reading a fair bit of negativity in there.


Lets look at permissions first. Publically posted information is just that, Public, without protection. Copyright can be no good to protect some things in many scenarios, also. Perhaps the reason many people do not post publically?

So, if its public, anyone expecting to not see others make use of it, legally, is kidding themselves.

I dont want to approach this in the wrong way, but really, you have been told twice now by very qualified people: First, from our resident metrologist:

Quote from: TinselKoala http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3319.msg57155#msg57155

partzman, looking very good there I think.

A couple of comments:

In Spokane1's latest diagrams of the Synchronous Rectifier portion, he has the "dot" end of one secondary connected to the Drain of its mosfet, and the "non-dot" end of the other secondary connected to the Drain of its mosfet.
You have both "dot" ends connected to the drains. 
I get confused about winding sense CW vs CCW, current direction and the "bucking" arrangement, since whether or not fields are bucking depends on the current strength and direction and the winding sense as well as the time it takes to produce the fields and reverse them in the first place.
So I don't know exactly what effects are produced where. But at a first pass, it would seem that Spokane1's arrangement is more like a center tap in a coil that is all wound in one direction, whereas your arrangement is more like a center tapped coil that reverses winding direction at the center tap. In other words, an "EMJunkie" type arrangement. Am I thinking about this secondary winding arrangement correctly? And what is the functional difference in performance between your version and Spokane1's?

And  ... grrr..... you are not exactly consistent with your trace color assignments in your three plots! I spent some time looking at the first one and could see that it agrees pretty closely with the Gunderson shot, with one significant difference. But then when I started looking at the other two I became confused again because some of the trace colors had changed or you plotted different voltage points or something. Maybe I just need more coffee ... or new glasses.....    :o



Also by Brad, one of our OU Hero's:


Quote from: Tinman http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3319.msg57155#msg57155

Quote from: partzman on 2016-08-31, 02:32:39

It is slow here so I decided to post my progress in simulating a likeness of Graham's device. The attached sim is a model of a real transformer that is fabricated out of ferrite E cores in P material from Magnetics with a .010" gap in all legs. The ur is ~3000 on both E's.

The transformer pix shows that three windings are used but the two outside secondaries are left open in the sim so only the primary is driven. Each winding is 200 turns. I realize that G used U cores but I want to prove that I can accurately simulate a known core/coil arrangement before attempting simulation with additional unknowns.

The primary inductance of the actual transformer measured with a Genrad bridge is 5.1mH. The sim calculation from the plot is 5.17mH. In gyrator-capacitance modeling of inductors, the inductance may be calculated as L = N^2/Peff. Peff is the effective permeance of all core paths (in this case wrt to the middle leg of the core) and N is the number of turns. In this example, Peff = 131e-9 which calculates to 5.23mH. At this point Pleak is a best guess and will probably need adjustment when leakage inductance tests are done.

One may notice that I have used both B and H sources to model the gyrators. The B source is more useful as it's voltage can be determined by any function allowed in LtSpice where the H source is determined only by current. The non-linearity of the primary flux is determined by B1 and it's equation. Basically the voltage across B1 increases exponentially as the voltage drop across P2 increases. One may also notice the added bias to this calculation which I believe will be equivalent to PM bias on any portion of the core.

There is no core loss represented in this example at this point so there is no control over the hysteresis loop. This will be added later using a nonlinear resistance and then a B-H plot can be done and compared to the real transformer.

B sources are used to calculate the core flux and Pin.

pm


PM

How closely do you think this is starting to resemble EMJs partnered output coil setup?,as i am seeing some resemblance here.


Brad




So, I guess my point is, Who's Work is this really? Who is making progress on who's work, really? Please give me some names of others, before me, that made standard practice of using more than one Output Coil in a single System!!!

I bet you can’t get more than one name out!!! It is now standard practice for everyone trying to make progress. So, am I doing the wrong thing? I most certainly do not think so!!!

I gave nothing of the sort!!! This is totally false: "resident metrologist fastidiously followed your instructions on your original Free energy claim" - I can’t believe you of all people would try to imply this!!!

The truth is: Our “resident metrologist” offered not a single measurement at all on the work he did on Stanley Meyer VIC Circuit with my modified Output!!! EVER!!!

I said I had gotten a COP = 1.7 in my very early version of my PDF Document: Guidelines to Bucking Coils.

I gave no Circuit, ever! With this claim!!!

I gave you the Meyer Circuit I had tested, but never once claimed it was Over Unity!!! Ever!!! I claimed Meyer had great successes from it, his famous VIC Circuit, and that, I found it interesting!!! You people jumped into the Fire, a flighty leap, based on complete assumptions!!!

You see, the real problem is today, we have at least SIX other people, that have followed exactly the same, or similar to, ideas I have presented for many more than two years!!! So, my claims have been not only verified and independently replicated once, but SIX Times publically!!!

I did release a Circuit, not the fore mentioned Stanley Meyer VIC Circuit, way back, nearly 18 Months ago. This Circuit can achieve Over Unity with some work. The really funny thing is Chet, that not once, not twice, but FOUR of the SIX people I reference, uses this exact Circuit!!!

Of these two, I suspect one is the same, but I can not prove it, and the other is similar, by achieving the same end result.

Now isn’t that just a real Coincidence!!!

For your convenience, I have posted this very same circuit again, see below:

I understand that many people get frustrated about me not posting the entire thing at once. I am sorry for your frustrations. But there are many very good reasons I am going about this the way I am.

Today, for you to question me, you question everyone that has shown their work!!! Do you question Graham Gunderson, a trained “metrologist”!!!

I have had some small very well-funded groups try to get me to “Give All” and then work for them so I would be “Quiet” – But you see Chet. It’s about every single generation ahead of us… Not Us!

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P.S: I have, today, achieved, many, many more times than COP = 1.7 - So have others!!!

P.P.S: Brad is the only one here that did not need my help. He was there, on the verge of achieving Success before I came along. Brad is a Genius and you should listen and respect him and what he tells you!!!

« Last Edit: September 09, 2016, 03:16:03 PM by EMJunkie »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7215 on: September 09, 2016, 12:13:39 PM »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7216 on: September 09, 2016, 01:44:15 PM »
Each one in this world,who is using capacitors/condensators for the secondary output is using this "partnered coil" principle cause capacitors can also be configurated as bi-up to multifiliar coils !


"partnered coil" let some remember of Earl Koenig ::)  misinterpretationaly
Oh,I see here that he is also refered: http://www.hyiq.org/downloads/guidelines%20to%20Bucking%20Coils.pdf


http://www.kameramuseum.de/blitz/blitzwuerfel.jpg

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7217 on: September 09, 2016, 01:58:12 PM »
Each one in this world,who is using capacitors/condensators for the secondary output is using this "partnered coil" principle cause capacitors can also be configurated as bi-up to multifiliar coils !


"partnered coil" let some remeber of Earl Koenig ::)  misinterpretationaly




lancaIV - Earl Koenig deserves credit for his patented devices! Weather you think it is "misinterpretationaly" or not.

Your Capacitor thoughts are null and void, don’t apply and are completely irrelevant!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7218 on: September 09, 2016, 02:02:26 PM »
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=DE&NR=19927355A1&KC=A1&FT=D


We are developing the converter of Maxwells displacement current ,as you probably know !


The magnetic output of partnered coils,and the f.e.:


Each coil (5) (6) is performed in a carriage with nucleus of cylindrical or rectangular (15) shape, air nucleus, and two lateral covers. The coil system(16) consists of two copper tapes, separated by a dielectric of macrofol, " an insulator tape". They are simultaneously rolled up m 397 spires where are connected, in upper extremity of one of the tapes a feed cable and m the lower extremity of the other tape another feed cable. Closed the coiled process is vulcanized with epoxide resin, which gives mechanical resistance, insulation and allows its utilization m high humidity level. After this phase, a paramagnetic ( 17) nucleus is inserted inside the coil where the upper side has a width equal to the general body and the other extremity is screwed down to allow its fixing. All this system is controlled by a module that allows the variation of the polarization, constructed with materials and components existing on the market and already attested. The conjugation of several potentialities and applications of these components allow it a believable and linear behaviour in the control of the referred system. The technical range of this system stands in the present electromagnetic spectre, nevertheless is different owing the coils not having a standard behaviour in relation to the power consumption, they have not internal resistance, placing several questions of theoretical quality: According to the ohm's formula R=V/ I. With R=O and having a tension V on the coil, appear us the first theoretical difficulty to solve this equation, impossibility or irresolution. According to the Joule's formula w=I<2>xR, appears the same impossibility. According to Weber's formula Um= ψxRm we see that the magnetic tension (Um) is the result of the multiplication of phi (φ) by the reluctance (Rm) . We go on with the same impossibility. According to Lenz's formula Δ(cosψ)/Δt we obtain that the induced electro-motive power (Ei) is the result of the division of the rate of the cosine of phi (Δcosφ) by time variation. As cosine of phi is equal to zero, the irresolution is maintained. In practice submitted to several measures and tests we obtained a residual power consumption of 6 mA resulting more from cable feed then coil power consumption. The value of phi (ψ) stands unaltered and equal to zero. Practical situation without theoretical justification known. ;)


The system, owing to the fact of producing mechanical energy, apply to all the mechanisms that need it, namely collecting water, water pumps, apply also to raising systems, centrifugal engines and pumps, etc.


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7219 on: September 09, 2016, 03:01:52 PM »
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=DE&NR=19927355A1&KC=A1&FT=D


We are developing the converter of Maxwells displacement current ,as you probably know !


The magnetic output of partnered coils,and the f.e.:


Each coil (5) (6) is performed in a carriage with nucleus of cylindrical or rectangular (15) shape, air nucleus, and two lateral covers. The coil system(16) consists of two copper tapes, separated by a dielectric of macrofol, " an insulator tape". They are simultaneously rolled up m 397 spires where are connected, in upper extremity of one of the tapes a feed cable and m the lower extremity of the other tape another feed cable. Closed the coiled process is vulcanized with epoxide resin, which gives mechanical resistance, insulation and allows its utilization m high humidity level. After this phase, a paramagnetic ( 17) nucleus is inserted inside the coil where the upper side has a width equal to the general body and the other extremity is screwed down to allow its fixing. All this system is controlled by a module that allows the variation of the polarization, constructed with materials and components existing on the market and already attested. The conjugation of several potentialities and applications of these components allow it a believable and linear behaviour in the control of the referred system. The technical range of this system stands in the present electromagnetic spectre, nevertheless is different owing the coils not having a standard behaviour in relation to the power consumption, they have not internal resistance, placing several questions of theoretical quality: According to the ohm's formula R=V/ I. With R=O and having a tension V on the coil, appear us the first theoretical difficulty to solve this equation, impossibility or irresolution. According to the Joule's formula w=I<2>xR, appears the same impossibility. According to Weber's formula Um= ψxRm we see that the magnetic tension (Um) is the result of the multiplication of phi (φ) by the reluctance (Rm) . We go on with the same impossibility. According to Lenz's formula Δ(cosψ)/Δt we obtain that the induced electro-motive power (Ei) is the result of the division of the rate of the cosine of phi (Δcosφ) by time variation. As cosine of phi is equal to zero, the irresolution is maintained. In practice submitted to several measures and tests we obtained a residual power consumption of 6 mA resulting more from cable feed then coil power consumption. The value of phi (ψ) stands unaltered and equal to zero. Practical situation without theoretical justification known. ;)


The system, owing to the fact of producing mechanical energy, apply to all the mechanisms that need it, namely collecting water, water pumps, apply also to raising systems, centrifugal engines and pumps, etc.




Thanks lancaIV!

A very interesting post! I will read several times and try to better understand.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7220 on: September 09, 2016, 03:27:37 PM »
http://servicosonline.inpi.pt/pesquisas/GetSintesePDF?nord=2946450
these coils as electro-magnets on a rotor/stator structure has been examinated and the technology became granted 26.10.2009,but the commercial patent right got lost.
Now "open source".


Who can justify the physical/kinetical practisizing in theoretical manner get the prize !

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7221 on: September 09, 2016, 03:45:49 PM »



@Chet - I would like to remind you: Page 5 of this thread





I am not going down the "Measurement" path - Bill Alek a qualified EE has been ridiculed without any evidence to the contrary. My measurements are not up for debate here.

I am giving people the How's, Why's and the Secrets to build their own Devices. Its up to them to make their own decisions.

I encourage people to use their Common Sense and decide for themselves if this device makes sense and is worth the 1hr and $20:00 to Build and Learn.




@Partzman - Did your device cost much more than $20.00 - Below:


Graham Gunderson used very expensive Equipment, Equipment I don’t have. Graham also is very well trained on how to use his equipment - Are you ridiculing Grahams Measurements?


Partnered Output Coils will forever haunt you Chet. They are not going away! We have successes and you cant deny this!!!


@lancaIV - Thanks Interesting Patent App.


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7222 on: September 09, 2016, 04:36:11 PM »
Chris
Sorry for the delay

You seem to be involved or trying to involve yourself in a lot of business ...
 "I was first "!! "I have the paper trail "!! "he was no where until I came along"" ETC EYTC ETC 

,I suppose this would be called Free energy business ,?

I am not involved in these types of things ..never have and never will I put business in front of this cause!

You say you do this all these years "for the next generation" ??

It would seem you are much more concerned with Business than the next generation or your head would not hit the pillow at night for the loss of one "next generation[Child]" which such a tech would truly save !

how many more years will you fiddle ?
and how many more "for the next generation" must pass from this world ??

yours is the only continuously running "show" hosted by the Claimant [POC] at this open source forum , a place where many truly are working for open source and truly have the "Next generation" in mind.[Not book sales or micro managing Free energy to the Paying Customers in small drips]

what is your true goal here ?
how many more "next generations {KIDS}" must perish ??

you must realize the true "price" of withholding such a tech from the world ,as well as how it would be if your
"next generations" life depended on a tech like this  and some man claiming to have the ability to save their lives was fiddling with it for years and years at an open source forum ....

and just for clarity
the Only thing which would "Haunt Me" would be your example set here.

@ Lanca
I see your contributions here show the truth worthlessness of NEW Business ventures in these matters .




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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7223 on: September 09, 2016, 04:45:24 PM »

This double coil arrangement
(Andreas Schenk was also in a commercial partnership with Dr.Imris: Hydrotech )
and the application partners,f.e. Fraunhofer Ges., shows the development stage from this technology :
  https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20110119&CC=EP&NR=2274755A1&KC=A1

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7224 on: September 09, 2016, 05:02:25 PM »
Chris
Sorry for the delay

You seem to be involved or trying to involve yourself in a lot of business ...
 "I was first "!! "I have the paper trail "!! "he was no where until I came along"" ETC EYTC ETC 

,I suppose this would be called Free energy business ,?

I am not involved in these types of things ..never have and never will I put business in front of this cause!

You say you do this all these years "for the next generation" ??

It would seem you are much more concerned with Business than the next generation or your head would not hit the pillow at night for the loss of one "next generation[Child]" which such a tech would truly save !

how many more years will you fiddle ?
and how many more "for the next generation" must pass from this world ??

yours is the only continuously running "show" hosted by the Claimant [POC] at this open source forum , a place where many truly are working for open source and truly have the "Next generation" in mind.[Not book sales or micro managing Free energy to the Customers in small drips]

what is your true goal here ?
how many more "next generations {KIDS}" must perish ??

you must realize the true "price" of withholding such a tech from the world ?




Hi Chet - What is your true goal here?


Dont tell me, youve failed to replicate the Graham Gunderson Device!!!


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7225 on: September 09, 2016, 05:08:27 PM »
Good to Know
RE the Gunderson device
that is an ongoing [just got started} open source thread here at this open source forum [only two of those forums I am aware of]
will add a link for you later
for clarity
That example would represent My goal here at these open source forums.

But you forgot this part

Snip
?and just for clarity
the Only thing which would "Haunt Me" would be your example set here."

And yes Chris I know
"it all looks good from your house"...has for years and years...

Sleep well .......

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« Reply #7226 on: September 09, 2016, 05:20:54 PM »
Good to Know
RE the Gunderson device
that is an ongoing [just got started} open source thread here at this open source forum [only two of those I am aware of]
will add a link for you later

But you forgot this part

Snip
?and just for clarity
the Only thing which would "Haunt Me" would be your example set here."

And yes Chris I know
"it all looks good from your house"...has for years and years...

Sleep well .......



Chet - You’re really kidding yourself!!!

Last year: http://grahamgunderson.com/ nothing there, This year Nothing there... 10 years from now still nothing there...

Six weeks ago: http://perpetua.green/?reqp=1&reqr nothing there, Tomorrow, still nothing there, 10 years’ time, still nothing there...

Open Source my Horse!!! They got your $25, now its Tomato Sauce!!!


Chet, face facts, I have given all, all you need to do is, Learn it, put it together and build it. I have spent some 30,000+ hours trying to help people here, and doing graphics and documents and so on. My website has been running for some 15 odd years with a thousand times the hours’ worth of content on it.


I have given you all that you need; now it needs you to put it together!!!


I have never asked for anything!!! I don’t want anything!!!


Actually, that’s not true, what I want, is for all of you to get into it, share work, progress, get off your dammed high horse and work together!!!


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7227 on: September 09, 2016, 05:36:27 PM »
Chris
I am not here to count the hours spent by you..myself or many others to Justify a lifes work.
or weigh the return on investment for you.
Grandma worked fifty years scrubbing dishes at a big factory In NYC and got a "watch' for her reward.


I know time is a commodity which comes at a cost ,and as such wasting a mans time also has a cost.

in this case the cost for withholding these techs or hindering them in any way whatsoever for any reason
comes at a great price.

The next generation[children] does indeed depend on this and to say you are not aware people are dying without it ..is very very hard to believe.

You are the man running THIS show and You are responsible for your actions here.

respectfully
Chet K
ps
here is a link to the open source Gunderson Thread
an example of my goal here
http://overunity.com/16724/graham-gundersons-energy-conference-presentation-most-impressive-and-mysterious/#.V9LThnz6tdg

No business's  books or DVD's and such ..just the hard work of dedicated men looking for answers.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7228 on: September 09, 2016, 05:44:35 PM »
Chris
I am not here to count the hours spent by you..myself or many others to Justify a lifes work.
or weigh the return on investment for you.
Grandma worked fifty years scrubbing dishes at a big factory In NYC and got a "watch' for her reward.


I know time is a commodity which comes at a cost ,and as such wasting a mans time also has a cost.

in this case the cost for withholding these techs or hindering them in any way whatsoever for any reason
comes at a great price.

The next generation[children] does indeed depend on this and to say you are not aware people are dying without it ..is very very hard to believe.

You are the man running THIS show and You are responsible for your actions here.

respectfully
Chet K
ps
here is a link to the open source Gunderson Thread
an example of my goal here
http://overunity.com/16724/graham-gundersons-energy-conference-presentation-most-impressive-and-mysterious/#.V9LThnz6tdg

No books or DVD's and such ..just the hard work of dedicated men looking for answers.



Oh My Chet - That is classically funny!!!

Where is Graham Gunderson? Has he made a single post trying to help anyone out?

Chet, I have not and am not withholding anything! I have given you all! I have told you, shown you exactly how these devices work!

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P.S: If you actually read the thread, it is I that have given you most of the hard facts known today about the Gunderson Device!!! Well before anyone else even had the slightest on what was going on!!! I was asked to leave by Reyeuki because My work did not fit with what you wanted to hear!!!




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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7229 on: September 09, 2016, 05:51:43 PM »
another good thing to know
you find the plight of your target benevolence  [the next generation] 'classically funny' !!

sleep tight

 

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