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Offline Mr XYZ

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7185 on: August 17, 2016, 04:55:35 PM »

Thanks again Chris, and here is the first of my new adaptations of
my circuits embedding your more appealing cadded inductor/coil symbols -
I dare say that you and others will find the fresh aspect/outlook in this
depiction quite intruiging! - as it not only combines symbols but also
'sends a signal' or two! - you will see that it depicts a PAIR of PAIRS
 of Partnered Output Coils, which also act as Input coils, not literally
 at the same time, but in either half of the charging/discharging cycle,
 if you look closely. This is presented as a pulsed circuit,
 but it can also be adapted into a rotating device.
As soon as possible I will also present other circuits showing external outputs ...

 

Nice work Mr XYZ!

Some very interesting similarities! Also some striking differences!

Thanks for sharing, its really good to see thinking outside the box!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7185 on: August 17, 2016, 04:55:35 PM »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7186 on: August 23, 2016, 04:56:16 AM »
Without wanting to take over Chris's thread while he's away,
 I am just posting some extra alternative designs that I have
 recently drawn up on this theme, and which I am again freely
 sharing on this open-source forum for anyone to take up and test
 for themselves (haven't had time to test them all yet).
 Most of them show various ways to (at least partially)
 regenerate the paired battery sources, via partnered sets of coils
 that act as inputs and then outputs consecutively.
 Of course they can also be arranged to feed external loads, as shown before.
Permanent magnets can also be incorporated! ..
Enjoy!  :)

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7187 on: August 25, 2016, 12:08:19 PM »



I am back, some RnR does wonders!

Any replications to report? Any successes to report? Anyone gone to the next step in the MRPreva Circuit?

Mr XYZ, after a quick read, this looks interesting, worth a build and see how it goes.

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« Last Edit: August 26, 2016, 12:08:13 AM by EMJunkie »

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« Reply #7188 on: August 26, 2016, 01:43:31 AM »



Anyone know where to start looking for improvements?

Let’s look at some facts:

   1: We can see a Current gain, exactly as Don Smith said.
   2: We see a big Voltage Drop across the Coils
   3: Each Branch of the Circuit has a massive Gain in Comparison to the Input.
   4: Small differences can make a big difference in this Circuit. Flipping a Coil over can make a big difference for example.
   5: We see Electromagnetic Induction, 180 Degree Phase difference between the Coils, Step Up techniques are important. This, because Kirchhoff's Voltage Law, and also Kirchhoff's Current Law is not valid in this Circuit. Because we see an active Component, aka Partnered Output Coils.
   6: A resonant Circuit will normally have Voltage and Current 90 Degrees out of Phase, but we see in phase power, zero degrees between Voltage and Current. Why???
   7: Action, Reaction and Counter-Reaction techniques are also very important, as we have discussed.

What might we do to increase the Voltage substantially, this also increasing the already seen Current Gain and get this working properly???

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7189 on: August 27, 2016, 12:44:02 AM »



Seems, some 2 years ago, when I posted the below Output Circuit, with specific details about Coil Winding Directions, that Everyone is now onto the ideas I have presented for some 5+ years.

I am happy that there is some good work being done, but surely this coincidence warrants some credit for the discoverer/presenter of these concepts, but alas, credit is taken by others making an "Accidental" mistake to do with some component that has nothing to do with such concepts!

Even the input Circuit is exactly the same, Coincidental?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7190 on: August 27, 2016, 01:30:46 AM »



As discussed in prior posts, and also in my pdf, Voltage and Current are separate entities. One can be present without the other. This is well known, Antennas are a common example.

When an EMF is generated, the EMF, which is Volt Seconds, can be seen on the scope without the presence of Current. Current can be drawn by connecting a Load to the Terminals, this then creates a Magnetic Field, Lenz's Law, that is out of phase by ±180 Degrees to the Source, Note: EMF is considered Negative, which is out of phase by ±180 Degrees to the Source. Again, we have been through this for a long time. Most everyone following will be nodding, yes I know, already covered!!!

We have also covered the Fundamental Requirements of Electrical Energy in Coupled Coils:



Well, in every Electrical "Generator", Ohms Law applies, in combination with Faradays Law of Electromagnetic Induction. What does this mean?


Voltage is directly a result of the Time Rate of Change of the Electromagnetic Flux, the Faster the Rotor Spins, the Higher the Voltage!!!   <<<--- This is a KEY Sentence!!!


The Higher the Voltage, the Higher the Current goes, for a given Resistance, this is simply V/R = I!!!   <<<--- This is a KEY Sentence!!!


So, simply, if there is NO Voltage (V), there can be no Current (I) (In an Electrical Generator) through a Resistance (R)!!!   <<<--- This is a KEY Sentence!!!


And so, the wheel work of Nature, depends on, the Time Rate of Change of the Magnetic Flux, The Resistance, The Voltage "Generated" and the Current will follow, only in these configurations.



Once the Voltage (V) is at maximum for a given Time Rate of Change of Magnetic Field (B) in proximity to Turns (N), known as Peak Voltage, then the maximum Current can be obtained at this time. Using Circuits, to take advantage of these Phase Differences, or using Configurations to do the same, is a clever way to make your device as reactive as possible:

Where does the most difficult path of Magnetic Reluctance (S) lay? In what part of a Cycle?

Yes, from Zero to Peak Voltage (V)! At peak Voltage (V), we see a decrease in Voltage (V) and thus a decrease in Current (I) will be obtainable as a result!

As the Source is ±180 Degrees out of Phase to the Secondary, the Peak Voltage is already at Maximum on both Source and Secondary, like we find Climbing the Hill hardest, but coming down very much easier, so do the Magnetic Fields! The Magnetic Reluctance (S) in the Magnetic Circuit, is lower. 


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P.S: An experiment - Take a Transformer, Primary with input X, Switch the Secondary with a Peak Detection Circuit, and Draw a Current from each side of the peak independantly and take note of the result.



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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7191 on: August 28, 2016, 10:54:09 PM »



I would like to point out, our recent work and study of the Buck Boost Transformer, the actual concept is seen everywhere!

One place it is commonly seen, mostly without anyone ever knowing it, is in simple Joule Thief Circuits. Trigger Coil and Power Coil are a simple Buck Boost Transformer: See Below Image

So, without many knowing this, this technology is everywhere! It has not been fully explored!!!



On another note: I did read a very interesting note and was very happy to see: Graham Gunderson Energy conference High COP demonstration

Quote from: TinselKoala http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3319.msg57044#msg57044

partzman, looking very good there I think.

A couple of comments:

In Spokane1's latest diagrams of the Synchronous Rectifier portion, he has the "dot" end of one secondary connected to the Drain of its mosfet, and the "non-dot" end of the other secondary connected to the Drain of its mosfet.
You have both "dot" ends connected to the drains. 
I get confused about winding sense CW vs CCW, current direction and the "bucking" arrangement, since whether or not fields are bucking depends on the current strength and direction and the winding sense as well as the time it takes to produce the fields and reverse them in the first place.
So I don't know exactly what effects are produced where. But at a first pass, it would seem that Spokane1's arrangement is more like a center tap in a coil that is all wound in one direction, whereas your arrangement is more like a center tapped coil that reverses winding direction at the center tap.

[EDIT for Clarity:]

In other words, an "EMJunkie" type arrangement.


Am I thinking about this secondary winding arrangement correctly? And what is the functional difference in performance between your version and Spokane1's?

And  ... grrr..... you are not exactly consistent with your trace color assignments in your three plots! I spent some time looking at the first one and could see that it agrees pretty closely with the Gunderson shot, with one significant difference. But then when I started looking at the other two I became confused again because some of the trace colors had changed or you plotted different voltage points or something. Maybe I just need more coffee ... or new glasses.....    :o


I have to thank TinselKoala, connecting the dots and getting ideas and concepts that have been clouded for so long is a difficult process.

As ION (AKA Vortex I think) points out:

Quote from: ION http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3319.msg57055#msg57055

TK said:

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In other words, an "EMJunkie" type arrangement.


Lets hope this doesn't stick, I would hate to see EMJ get credit for an age old non-inductive winding technique.  ;)


And I thought we were mates Vortex? Hahaha just kidding ;)

   Chris Sykes
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P.S: I hope, I really hope that all can see that two coils can, in some configurations, have Current, and Voltage 180 Degrees out of Phase, this is a Bucking, or Partnered Output Coil Arrangement. This is really critical to be able to see. See below Image:

Excess Electrical Energy comes from the Timing of the Coils and Interactions between the Magnetic Fields, and any other Magnetic Fields that are moving with this action!!! 


« Last Edit: August 29, 2016, 10:32:06 AM by EMJunkie »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7192 on: August 31, 2016, 01:24:03 PM »
... The most sure sign of the truth — simplicity and clarity.   :D

The lie is always difficult, elaborate and verbose.







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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7193 on: September 01, 2016, 12:23:24 AM »



My goal, or long term plan, was, for the next decade, not to burst out and prove 200 year old concepts of Science wrong, but to bring Ideas and Concepts to the table, which have already been of benefit to many, so as to bring a possible slow change. Thus the reason I stated: "My Measurements are not up for discussion" from the early days.

Everyone is stubborn, everyone could learn so much from the likes of Brad (Tinman) and others doing some brilliant work, but whom here is willing to learn?

Convention states, the ideal Transformation of Electrical Energy can be achieved by a Single Primary and a Single Secondary, mutually Coupled.

Nowhere in any Text Book does it give any ideas or concepts to bring a Tertiary into the Equation, as an assistant of the Primary and Secondary. Not ever has this concept been bought to you, the Free Energy Community with so much data to back it up. Throughout history some have tried, and after a small period of time, they have given it away. Partnered Output Coils is based on a very old concept, Bucking Coils, very well known, just so many have not investigated this properly! Ever!!! Most have never ever thought to use in this way!

My EE Skills are enough to get by; many here are well beyond my EE Skills. I have known this for many years, and known that it would not be hard to find error and single that out. I have tried to learn from these very knowledgeable people. It’s my thing, I always try to learn, I enjoy it!

This is not about EE Skills however; it’s about progressing with known, proven, working Concepts!!!

My reasons for doing what I have done will, one day, become clear!

The Free Energy Community has seen more proof in the last 18 months than in the last 20 years. Do you think this proof is just coincidental or luck?

Now imagine what we could achieve if we all worked as a team, together, solid, constructive progress.

Truth, or proof, is only something that you, the reader can view objectively from a distance, unless your own work is showing you what Truth really is. No amount of reading or watching videos can help you in your personal progression!

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P.S: ION, Vortex1: Please see: A Circuit I posted well before anyone had even realised how this worked! Of course, friends and gentlemen!


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« Reply #7194 on: September 01, 2016, 03:22:36 AM »



Floyd Sweet said:

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The current and potential windings require relatively little power, and are applied in such a manner that rate of flow of moving charges may be accelerated beyond 1 Ampere = 6.24 x 1018 electrons⁄second.

Thus the duty factor of the copper changes. Losses diminish and more charges drawn from the now coherent space field flow at a faster rate as current to the load.

This means as more current is required by varying loads more feedback magnetomotive forces free more electrons from binding forces complimented by potential magnetic forces of the orientated, coherent space field.

Thus a conductor that formerly had a temperature rise above ambient labelled as a factor of 10 would now operate at a temperature of 1.0. Thus the same gauge wire would carry 10 times more current at the same temperature.

Copper will not change to another metal as atoms which are mostly empty space would have many electrons to spare anyway. To free enough electrons to effect conversion would require magnetic forces approaching infinity.

...

Quantum mechanics state not all electrons in copper are free to carry charges. Then it’s time to set the wheels in motion to free them from binding magnetic forces. Once this is done, conductivity will improve and resistance decrease as we are dealing only with electrons.



Turbo Charged Induction is my definition there!

This is what the Third Coil, or Tertiary Coil is doing in many of these Systems! How? Well through: Opposing Magnetic Field Interactions - Partnered Output Coils

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P.S: Key sentance: "as more current is required by varying loads more feedback magnetomotive forces free more electrons from binding forces complimented by potential magnetic forces"


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« Reply #7195 on: September 01, 2016, 04:50:38 AM »
"Physics stands on a stable foundation of the facts, but not on drift sand of imaginary hypotheses", E. Rutherford.  :)


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« Reply #7196 on: September 01, 2016, 05:34:12 AM »
"Physics stands on a stable foundation of the facts, but not on drift sand of imaginary hypotheses", E. Rutherford.  :)


Of course it does! We have our entire Technological world today as a result of what we have learned in physics.

If you saw something so amazing, something you had no idea how or why it worked, would you prefer to believe in "Magic" or "Science yet un Discovered"?

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« Reply #7197 on: September 02, 2016, 01:50:08 AM »
If you saw something so amazing, something you had no idea how or why it worked, would you prefer to believe in "Magic" or "Science yet un Discovered"?

   Chris ,

I dont belive in "Magic" - i make "Magic", using science !!  :)

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« Reply #7198 on: September 02, 2016, 07:49:01 AM »
EMJunkie


Can you make arrangement where on both coils there is flow of opposite currents for example 5.1A and 5.0A and the input current is 0.1A ?

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« Reply #7199 on: September 02, 2016, 04:05:59 PM »
EMJunkie


Can you make arrangement where on both coils there is flow of opposite currents for example 5.1A and 5.0A and the input current is 0.1A ?


Hi Forest - Yes, not with these values however. Please see: My Second Experiment

My Analysis:



Thanks Jan/Wistiti,

An early analysis shows we have two branches to deal with here, each having very different, and interesting results:


Input:
Period: 3.320
Offset: 0.160
Degrees: 17.3
Active: 2.203788426168
Apparent: 2.30821
Reactive: 0.686403717929
Power Factor: 0.9547608


L1 Branch:
Period: 3.320
Offset: 0.28
Degrees: 30.4
Active: 8.0004243646859
Apparent: 9.275707
Reactive: 4.6938212608966
Power Factor: 0.8625137



L2 Branch:
Period: 3.320
Offset: 1.72
Degrees: 186.5
Active: -6.1948770793364
Apparent: 6.234956
Reactive: -0.7058169710592
Power Factor: -0.9935719



The circuit needs some work, I need to put the Current Sensing Resistors (CSR's) on the Load side of the Coils to verify the phase angle's seen. As through any Resistive Load, there should always be Zero Phase Angle!!!

Please correct me if you see any errors.

The resonance Frequency is calculated as:

   Frequency F = 1/ (2 * Pi * Sqrt( Inductance L * Capacitance C )) = 1 / 6.28318530717959 * 0.00069065186599328 = 230.44 Hertz, So our result is not far away, including the Damping Factor ζ (zeta) 297 Hertz

Coil L1 is the Resonant Coil, L2 is would be seen as our Tertiary Coil from discussions, but is our Secondary, from Secondary Induction.

Once understood, Partnered Output Coils work exactly as I have said. To understand them makes for simplicity, to not understand makes for failure or a lucky mistake!!!

Jan obviously knew when showing this circuit, what it was!


What I have shown in these experiments is not OU, 82%, measured only accross the Resistive Loads and not inclusive of the Coils themselves, but its very close to my over all work. The reason I spent some time on it.

Current is increased, as is shown. We do see an increase in Current as we have talked about for some time.

Quote from: Page 11 Guidelines to Bucking Coils. Lenz’s Law Free Power Extraction.

Ideally, these devices work with a Step Up configuration. 1:3 is a common Ratio. That’s one turn on the input to 3 turns on the output. Current, as you may think, is not stepped down as a result of the Voltage being stepped up.



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