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Offline Mr XYZ

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7170 on: August 15, 2016, 05:49:58 PM »
Thankyou Chris, for your positive confirmation! There is a lot more I could point out besides this, but I will mainly use similar diagrams to depict such. (as I said last year, I’m not a CAD genie, so can only present using the “Paint” program, but I think it suffices)

Thanks especially for pointing out the Tesla Switch as presented by J Bedini years back! – I had seen it from time to time, but honestly had forgotten all about it until I saw your reference a few days ago, and yes, there certainly are some similarities with my work  :) On this very point, I decided to take the simplest depiction of the Ron Brandt Tesla Switch and redraw it and then present it side by side with one of my relevant designs – they are indeed different circuits but resemble each other in their symmetry and balance. Soon I will also redraw one of my recent designs adjusted to your circuit design style, and I reckon you will find it at least a little intruiging! ~ Similarities will also be seen there!  8)






Hi Mr XYZ!!!

Thank you for posting! I completely agree, this is a brilliant post, Thank You!!! Immediately, I thought of the work John Bedini has shared for decades about the Tesla Switch as soon as I saw this.

It may be the case that John was trying to say something to us all those years back? I personally think so!

That aside, even though its a great analogy, this work of yours is excellent! A really good way to think and practice the actual Electrical Energy functions, Transformation and "Generation".

Thank you for posting this work Mr XYZ!!!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7170 on: August 15, 2016, 05:49:58 PM »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7171 on: August 15, 2016, 10:22:00 PM »
I made quickly subtitled version :)  https://youtu.be/GFqJ5D6mkO0

regards,



Thank you for this, I very much appreciate! A bit of work gone in there! Thank You!!!

@Others, a lot of small experiments can show you so much, this experiment is one of the best I have seen for a long time!!!

Thanks for sharing your work John.K1 I hope others replicate also!!!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7172 on: August 15, 2016, 10:37:40 PM »
Thankyou Chris, for your positive confirmation! There is a lot more I could point out besides this, but I will mainly use similar diagrams to depict such. (as I said last year, I’m not a CAD genie, so can only present using the “Paint” program, but I think it suffices)

Thanks especially for pointing out the Tesla Switch as presented by J Bedini years back! – I had seen it from time to time, but honestly had forgotten all about it until I saw your reference a few days ago, and yes, there certainly are some similarities with my work  :) On this very point, I decided to take the simplest depiction of the Ron Brandt Tesla Switch and redraw it and then present it side by side with one of my relevant designs – they are indeed different circuits but resemble each other in their symmetry and balance. Soon I will also redraw one of my recent designs adjusted to your circuit design style, and I reckon you will find it at least a little intruiging! ~ Similarities will also be seen there!  8)





Nice work Mr XYZ!

Some very interesting similarities! Also some striking differences!

Thanks for sharing, its really good to see thinking outside the box!

   Chris Sykes
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7173 on: August 15, 2016, 11:07:30 PM »



I would like to point out, John.K1 has shared with us, a very valuable experiment!!!

This we have talked about before, I quote again:

Quote from: Xiaodong Liu, Qichang Liang, Yu Liang - A Novel Transformer with Compensating Coil

The inducted voltage in coil B must be larger than that of coil C, otherwise the transformer will require more input power than the output power.


Please dont just pass this by, please take 10 minutes and replicate this simple very cheap experiment. To learn the smallest thing can open many doors!


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P.S: My replication below. Notice the Voltage accross both the Load Resistors is nearly all DC, all below the center graticule line. I have not followed the Schematic exactly, values I can post if necessary? Notice each wave is 180 degrees out of phase, EMF = -NdPhi/Dt, - is the 180 degrees out of phase.

I hope you find this interesting and as valuable as we should be finding it!

P.P.S: mv / 10 - I had the Current Math setup, Probe 1x but scope 10x for Current: Voltage x 10 / 0.1 Ohms = amps


R1 = 2R2
R2 = 2R2
R3 = 0R1
R3 = 0R1
L1 = 31.8mH
L2 = 16.6mH
C1 = 2.17nf
V1 = 0.718V @ 1.977 KHz


« Last Edit: August 16, 2016, 03:20:11 AM by EMJunkie »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7174 on: August 16, 2016, 06:41:58 AM »



With some more work, I have improved my result using a Series Resonant Circuit and moved away from the Parallel Resonant Circuit.

Input Amps: 370.6ma Measured accross R5 (0R1)
L1 Amps: 469ma Measured accross R3 (0R1)
L2 Amps:  709ma Measured accross R4  (0R1)

Now seeing less DC Offset, but there is a little there still.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7175 on: August 16, 2016, 07:26:59 AM »



Have double checked, but if you see errors please point them out:

mv = ma, scope adjusted for the math.

No channels on the scope have been inverted.

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Offline John.K1

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7176 on: August 16, 2016, 12:48:10 PM »
Hi Chris.

Great work!  Thank you for sharing. I believe, there is more to come. We need just to go to our desks and to experiment. Put in order what we learn and share the results in our community.

I also didn't follow the PRevas setup, I have used the same number of turns L1, L2. The reason is simple finding of resonance point (in my case 900KHz due to small number of turns).   I used CW & CCW coil on small toroid, and I have got output waves completely synchronized (+/- 1 deg) - on my picture it appears as one wave.

I do no want to make any conclusions or final results yet as there can be something overlooked. This is why I ask you guys to scream if you see any error or wrong conclusion ;)

regards,
Jan

   

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7177 on: August 16, 2016, 02:48:02 PM »
Great work guys!
It is nice to see some constructive post!
 :)

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7178 on: August 16, 2016, 09:55:48 PM »



Thanks Jan/Wistiti,

An early analysis shows we have two branches to deal with here, each having very different, and interesting results:


Input:
Period: 3.320
Offset: 0.160
Degrees: 17.3
Active: 2.203788426168
Apparent: 2.30821
Reactive: 0.686403717929
Power Factor: 0.9547608


L1 Branch:
Period: 3.320
Offset: 0.28
Degrees: 30.4
Active: 8.0004243646859
Apparent: 9.275707
Reactive: 4.6938212608966
Power Factor: 0.8625137



L2 Branch:
Period: 3.320
Offset: 1.72
Degrees: 186.5
Active: -6.1948770793364
Apparent: 6.234956
Reactive: -0.7058169710592
Power Factor: -0.9935719



The circuit needs some work, I need to put the Current Sensing Resistors (CSR's) on the Load side of the Coils to verify the phase angle's seen. As through any Resistive Load, there should always be Zero Phase Angle!!!

Please correct me if you see any errors.

The resonance Frequency is calculated as:

   Frequency F = 1/ (2 * Pi * Sqrt( Inductance L * Capacitance C )) = 1 / 6.28318530717959 * 0.00069065186599328 = 230.44 Hertz, So our result is not far away, including the Damping Factor ζ (zeta) 297 Hertz

Coil L1 is the Resonant Coil, L2 is would be seen as our Tertiary Coil from discussions, but is our Secondary, from Secondary Induction.

Once understood, Partnered Output Coils work exactly as I have said. To understand them makes for simplicity, to not understand makes for failure or a lucky mistake!!!

Jan obviously knew when showing this circuit, what it was!

   Chris Sykes
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« Last Edit: August 17, 2016, 05:23:28 AM by EMJunkie »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7179 on: August 17, 2016, 02:04:46 AM »

GREAT JOB!! CHRIS and JOHN!!


I have reviewed yours and Chris's replications, and would like to do a replication my self and post results. I'm not sure If it matters for my replication. (probably doesn't) But would you please share Your cap size, length of wire of l1 and number of turns for l2 and l3?   

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7180 on: August 17, 2016, 04:53:17 AM »
GREAT JOB!! CHRIS and JOHN!!


I have reviewed yours and Chris's replications, and would like to do a replication my self and post results. I'm not sure If it matters for my replication. (probably doesn't) But would you please share Your cap size, length of wire of l1 and number of turns for l2 and l3?



Hi Polarisz,

Please, yes, the more the merrier!!!

Lets learn as much as we can here, lets share the results publically, lets get this ball rolling.The future is OURS!!!

Quote from: Turns and Coils


AWG is 0.8mm or AWG: 20

CW CW One coil flipped over to the first. My Configuration Two Diagram for POC.

L1:
Layer: 18/17
Layers: 10
Turns: 175


L2:
Layer: 18/17
Layers: 5
Turns: 88

Could take 4 turns off the last layer.



Quote from: Frequency and Resonance

Frequency: 297.5Hz

L1: 31.8mH
   Frequency F = 1/ (2 * Pi * Sqrt( Inductance L * Capacitance C )) = 1 / 6.28318530717959 * 0.00069065186599328 = 230.44 Hertz, So our result is not far away, including the Damping Factor ζ (zeta) 297 Hertz


L2: 16.6mH
   Frequency F = 1/ (2 * Pi * Sqrt( Inductance L * Capacitance C )) = 1 / 6.28318530717959 * 0.000498998997994986 = 318.948422204035 Hertz, actual resonance is 373Hz

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7181 on: August 17, 2016, 06:22:53 AM »



In L2, Using Ohms law, and also verifying the Phase angle Correction through a Resistance, being Zero Degrees, mentioned above, we can calculate the Power across the Resistance: Power P = Resistance R * Current I2 = 2.3 Ohms (2.2 + 0.1) * 0.54700816 Amps = 1.28925 Watts, which means that a Voltage V across the Resistance R is only 1.722 Volts, verified on the scope, but on the other side of the Inductor, there is 12,54 Volts present.

In L2, Power across the Resistance: Power P = Resistance R * Current I2 = 2.3 Ohms (2.2 + 0.1) * 0.23164969 Amps = 0.53279 Watts, which means that a Voltage V across the Resistance R is only 1.10699 Volts, verified on the scope, but on the other side of the Inductor, there is 12,54 Volts present.

So, the huge gains seen above, across each branch L1 and L2, are not Gains across the Resistance, the load. What is going on here, why are we seeing this Gain, but not in our Load? If the input is 2.2 Watts, and Loaded Output is 1.28925 Watts + 0.53279 Watts, we only see 82% efficiency across our Resistive Loads.

Why do we see what we do? Why do we have such a large Voltage Drop across the Inductor? Between 10.818 and 11.43301 Volts...

   Chris Sykes
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7182 on: August 17, 2016, 07:35:21 AM »



What we see, is a Buck Boost Transformer, we see Current Amplification, but Voltage reduction. See the below Image:

We do have a very good basis to follow on with, and this is part of my work, so there is more we can do here, more we can do to get the Current up and also the Voltage, total Power amplification.

An Auto Transformer, boosts the Voltage. See below Image:

So, some serious work done, some good knowledge gained, but we still have a little further to go yet!

   Chris Sykes
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7183 on: August 17, 2016, 10:48:44 AM »

What we see, is a Buck Boost Transformer, we see Current Amplification, but Voltage reduction.

Hi Chris, guys

I would like to citate Donald S.  " The voltage is for free"    Can we actually boost it with the "current free"  HV pulses ala Mr Brovin style ??  It just came to my mind after watching Romanov's movie shoving the device, which works on such principle. He mix-up voltage and current on his resistive load. But to be able to do that, the voltage boost has to be a "current free!!  " Also some synchronization possibly required.  Just some thought.

regards,
Jan

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« Reply #7184 on: August 17, 2016, 11:25:49 AM »
Hi Chris, guys

I would like to citate Donald S.  " The voltage is for free"    Can we actually boost it with the "current free"  HV pulses ala Mr Brovin style ??  It just came to my mind after watching Romanov's movie shoving the device, which works on such principle. He mix-up voltage and current on his resistive load. But to be able to do that, the voltage boost has to be a "current free!!  " Also some synchronization possibly required.  Just some thought.

regards,
Jan



Yes Sirey, youre spot on Jan!

I also was going to quote Don Smith: Don Smith - How to Generate Energy - Use the Right Hand Rule to see what Don is Saying!!!

We see this every day, Turns Ratio!!! Also improvement on this circuit, there are lots of ways to get this to work, some better than others.

I said back in the very early days, Step Up, aim for about a 1:5, thats what Floyd Sweet used.

Hi SkyWatcher123,

Make sure you have 1:3 step up or more. 1:5 is what Floyd Sweet Used.

Its the Rate of Change of the Magnetic Field over Time. In saying this I have found in my devices Lower rather than Higher Frequency is better however - Currently I don't know why. My Frequency Ranges from 50Hz to 5KHz. Most of my devices running at a much lower frequency than 5KHz!

In other words, Bi-Filar Joule Thief Trigger arrangement may run at too higher of a Frequency to really see results! Just something to think about  ;)

Try to keep your Input Coils impedance at a level so that the running frequency will consume the lowest current for the highest Field, this is why I have found in the past, LC Tank Circuit, and resonating the input to some degree is the best.



Thats it, you dont need me any more!!!

Will be away for a week, wish I was here. The most exciting part of the whole thread!!!

   Chris Sykes
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