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« Reply #7155 on: August 10, 2016, 05:27:37 AM »
Bump!!!

For those that do not comprehend, have not been following, but wish to comprehend and follow, to learn something and to achieve a common Goal:

Action: - (Primary Coil) - Your Input. A Magnetic Field, a result of Current Flow in your Primary Coil, that will likely have a Reactive Component. Considered as the Prime Mover.

Reaction: - (Secondary Coil) - Typically considered as a Negative result on the Action. Lenz's Law (the -), a negative result of the Secondary Coil on the Primary Coil.

Counter-Reaction: - (Secondary Coil) - Another Negative result, but this time assisting the Action, the primary, or the Action, but at the same time Countering the Reaction. Lenz's Law (the -).

The two Secondary's are what I call Partnered Output Coils!

These principals can be arranged in many configurations that may result in a working device, and the opposite is also true.

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« Reply #7156 on: August 10, 2016, 06:06:22 AM »



To All:

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We could change the World right now forever, we have enough to work with, enough to make some real progress, in perhaps the most important step forward Humanity has ever taken.

It is evolutionary, Humans could very soon, look back and wonder how we did not realise such a wonderful Future earlier. We have the Future in our Hands, right now! The Science is real, it’s reachable and it’s partly known already!

It’s the mind of the individual that holds that individual back, realising that YOU have the power, that YOU have the ability to really make some very big changes for the future is the first step to building it.

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Let’s change the Definition of Being Human and make it something to be Proud of.

Together, we can do anything!!!




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« Reply #7157 on: August 10, 2016, 07:54:32 AM »



The Input Signals can be programed reasonably easy: 13 PWM Channels


Small, $14 Microcontrollers can do some amazing things:


Software Control via Virtual Serial Port is easy:




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« Reply #7158 on: August 11, 2016, 06:26:36 AM »



A Repost, from here: http://overunity.com/15307/lenz-free-generator/msg489618/#msg489618





Maybe a story might help, a long time ago in a land far away a man named Earnshaw developed a theorem. Earnshaw's theorem and he stated that "a collection of point charges cannot be maintained in a stable stationary equilibrium configuration solely by the electrostatic interaction of the charges". He also believed this applied to magnetic fields and everyone agreed one cannot balance or levitate one magnet on another. Then one day a clever inventor stumbled onto the fact that if the levitating magnet was spun like a top that in fact it could levitate in a stable manner. Some people believed Earnshaws theorem was an irrefutable law which had now been broken while some experts proclaimed the law was not broken. It was not broken because an extra force was present, the centrifugal force of the spinning top was present balancing the magnet and Earnshaws supposed law does not actually include extra forces only free floating charges and magnets. Thus a theorem or law may seem to always apply but only so long as the conditions applicable to the law do not change in any way.

This is very similar to the story of Lenz Law which states that "the current induced in a circuit due to a change or a motion in a magnetic field is so directed as to oppose the change in flux and to exert a mechanical force opposing the motion". Think about that... what does the Law actually say?. A changing magnetic field will induce a current in a circuit creating a second magnetic field which will oppose the first magnetic field change. It does not actually mention the source of the inducing magnetic field being opposed only the magnetic field itself being opposed. Thus a magnetic field source could create a rapidly changing magnetic field impulse then turn off before the field has had time to induce a current in the external circuit and the field source cannot be effected and Lenz Law has not been violated yet the external circuit would be induced by the field change after the source has turned off. Anything less would imply the field change has induced the target before it has actually reached the target which is absurd.

This is the problem with believing things which are not true and reading things into something which was never there nor implied to be there. Lenz said only the "inducing field" is opposed by the induced field no more no less.




AC, this is a very clever post.

Any and every Induced EMF, no matter how many times an Induced EMF occurs, in a single System, has an Effect of the Source, does it not?

But, if the Source is no longer a part of the System, switched out, then the Source is no longer affected, as you say.

How long can a Magnetic Field be kept High after Switch out of the Source?

In a super conductor, indefinitely, for ever in our terms, no Source, but Magnetic Field stays High... Electron’s keep going and going and going…

So the Source can change. Not necessarily the Polarity, depending on point of View, but the Location in the system can very easily be changed. This can be done many ways. A common way is to short one coil… This I know you are very well aware of.

One point of view does not make for any proof, how you term:


He also believed this applied to magnetic fields and everyone agreed one cannot balance or levitate one magnet on another. Then one day a clever inventor stumbled onto the fact that if the levitating magnet was spun like a top that in fact it could levitate in a stable manner.



A Postulate, everyone agrees, with no proof…  Although most experiments might hold, who’s to say one wont. After all, Charges are already in constant motion, all having their own Centrifugal forces… Thus making it true that a simple Magnet, will Violate Earnshaw's theorem before this experiment was even proposed - Surely we agree on this point?

There in lays the very basis of how we currently understand the Magnetic Field.

I was surprised to read this post.

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To iterate a little further, Electromagnetic Induction is a dependency process, for example:

   1: If there is No Voltage, there can be No Current.
   2: If there is No Current, there can be No Magnetic Field.
   3: If there is No Magnetic Field there can be No Electromagnetic Induction.

So, for Electromagnetic Induction to occur, there must be a Source of Magnetic Field, somewhere!!! Time rate of change is a requirement for the Voltage (EMF) Generation, NOT the Current, as mentioned above, the Current is dependent on the Voltage (along with Resistance)!!! It’s true, that any Coil that has a Voltage across it (Active Element due to Induction) will be able to supply a Current, regulated by Ohms Law, which will change in Time!!! This is equivalent to a Magnetic Field Changing in Time!!!

Thus any and All Magnetic Fields Changing in Time can be a Source of Electromagnetic Induction!!!

If this Source is equal in Magnitude in comparison to the originating Source, then there will be a net zero effect, or no Tertiary EMF can be "Generated". Thus timing of the Coil Interactions is critical. Capacitance can be employed to do this, or switching if you have the means. Coils can be arranged to also offset this timing.

I hope those that do not already know this will see the importance here!!!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7159 on: August 12, 2016, 01:26:44 AM »
http://overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/msg489659/#msg489659


Suppose two primaries coils and two secondaries coils in the middle of the primaries.

If the primaries are in attraction mode the only field transversing both secondaries is:
N ---------------> S. As per Lenz, the induced field of each secondary will be <-------- in one secondary and  <-------- in the other secondary. Both opposing to the primary field. How the hell are you going to buck both secondaries? Impossible. No way

If the primaries are in repulsion their fields will be N -------> <--------- N  . In this case one secondary will oppose to its closer primary field: <--------  and the other secondary will oppose to the primary field of the other primary coil:  -------->. There you have two bucking secondary coils. Perfect bucking output coils. In this case you may use pulsed DC. You just need to collide two fields in the center point, right in the point between both secondaries coild, no need for movement of the fields in this design based in flux linking.

Summary :

Attraction  N ------------------------>  S
                       <--------    <---------

Repulsion  N ----------> <-----------  S
                       <---------    --------->

See this sketch of Daniel Dingel device. The second sketch is drawn by me

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7160 on: August 12, 2016, 03:46:30 AM »
http://overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/msg489659/#msg489659


Suppose two primaries coils and two secondaries coils in the middle of the primaries.

If the primaries are in attraction mode the only field transversing both secondaries is:
N ---------------> S. As per Lenz, the induced field of each secondary will be <-------- in one secondary and  <-------- in the other secondary. Both opposing to the primary field. How the hell are you going to buck both secondaries? Impossible. No way

If the primaries are in repulsion their fields will be N -------> <--------- N  . In this case one secondary will oppose to its closer primary field: <--------  and the other secondary will oppose to the primary field of the other primary coil:  -------->. There you have two bucking secondary coils. Perfect bucking output coils. In this case you may use pulsed DC. You just need to collide two fields in the center point, right in the point between both secondaries coild, no need for movement of the fields in this design based in flux linking.

Summary :

Attraction  N ------------------------>  S
                       <--------    <---------

Repulsion  N ----------> <-----------  S
                       <---------    --------->

See this sketch of Daniel Dingel device. The second sketch is drawn by me


Hi Hanon, nice to see you back!

I dont fully understand, so please correct me if I go off on a tangent.

Any Primary Coil exerts a Magnetising Force on a Core, this is Hysteresis, seen as the BH Curve on the scope. This means there is a Polarity to the Magnetisation at any one point in time exerted by the Primary.

Secondary Induction:

   A Secondary Coil, or any other Coil, via Electromagnetic Induction, will always oppose the Action of the Primary. This is entirely a Magnetic Field Interaction, which as we know is a result of Current in the Secondary Coil.

If the Magnetic Field Interactions are delayed in a consecutive order, then we can achieve a Tertiary Induction.


Tertiary Induction:

   A Tertiary Coil can see induction from a Secondary Magnetic Field when, there is an imbalance in the Primary Acting Forces. See above post. These are subject to the same Magnetic Interactions, but from different Sources!

Understanding the above post is important.

So, I hope this answers your question. If a Primary is active, with Magnetic Field X, and no other Coil has a greater Magnetic Field than X, all coils in your system will all induce an EMF at the same time that all oppose the Primary unless a delay, or a buffered response is introduced.

I have posted this many times, but if you read carefully, you will see there is a very good reason for the line of text: See attached pdf.

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The inducted voltage in coil B must be larger than that of coil C, otherwise the transformer will require more input power than the output power.


This is just one way to achieve the desired result.

A long time ago (April 16, 2014), I posted a very interesting experiment: Two Output pulses for one Input pulse- Very easy to just pass this off as Fly Back, and it is to a degree, but much more is going on here.

Of course, the dot polaritys change when the input is off. Coils then create opposing Magnetic Fields.

This does show very clearly a Phase difference, and an interesting result was obtained.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7161 on: August 12, 2016, 06:56:47 PM »
http://overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/msg489659/#msg489659


Suppose two primaries coils and two secondaries coils in the middle of the primaries.

If the primaries are in attraction mode the only field transversing both secondaries is:
N ---------------> S. As per Lenz, the induced field of each secondary will be <-------- in one secondary and  <-------- in the other secondary. Both opposing to the primary field. How the hell are you going to buck both secondaries? Impossible. No way

If the primaries are in repulsion their fields will be N -------> <--------- N  . In this case one secondary will oppose to its closer primary field: <--------  and the other secondary will oppose to the primary field of the other primary coil:  -------->. There you have two bucking secondary coils. Perfect bucking output coils. In this case you may use pulsed DC. You just need to collide two fields in the center point, right in the point between both secondaries coild, no need for movement of the fields in this design based in flux linking.

Summary :

Attraction  N ------------------------>  S
                       <--------    <---------

Repulsion  N ----------> <-----------  N
                       <---------    --------->



I attach a new sketch to clarify what I meant. It is not related with the delayed Lenz effect,although that could be another good subject to study and justify many things

If two inducers are placed in repulsion and two induced coils in between, then each induced coil is just transversed by one inducer field, the one from the nearest inducer. That's the key. Both inducer fields collide in the center in a point between both induced coils and are expelled from the core. Therefore each induced coil is under the action of one inducer field. The two induced fields, which oppose to each inducer field, will be bucking each other  <------------   ------------->  . With vectors :   B1induced + B2induced = 0 . I have not tested it, but theoretically it is a perfect bucking system.


Repulsion  N ----------> <-----------  N    (inducer coils)
                       <---------    --------->         (induced coils)

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« Reply #7162 on: August 12, 2016, 11:41:02 PM »
I attach a new sketch to clarify what I meant. It is not related with the delayed Lenz effect,although that could be another good subject to study and justify many things

If two inducers are placed in repulsion and two induced coils in between, then each induced coil is just transversed by one inducer field, the one from the nearest inducer. That's the key. Both inducer fields collide in the center in a point between both induced coils and are expelled from the core. Therefore each induced coil is under the action of one inducer field. The two induced fields, which oppose to each inducer field, will be bucking each other  <------------   ------------->  . With vectors :   B1induced + B2induced = 0 . I have not tested it, but theoretically it is a perfect bucking system.


Repulsion  N ----------> <-----------  N    (inducer coils)
                       <---------    --------->         (induced coils)

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Sorry, yes i see what you mean now. Yes this experiment can give interesting results with some fiddling!

Because the Input is essentially Magnetically Shorted, there will be a lot of Input Current right off the bat. A Lot of Losses!!! But, this is an interesting experiment to try, a lot can be learnt from this!!!

I did do a Video on this sometime back, I made it private because I thought it was a bit confusing and was not really what I wanted to show, because of the confusing aspect of it. But lots can be learnt there!

Somethng to think on:
   If the Input see's a very Restrictive System, then a lot of "Power" will be needed!!! If the Input see's a System with No Restriction, then the Input can be VERY Reactive, getting all(+) your Input back!!!

Input Coils in this manner, can be, very restrictive. I used to use the term "Choke Off" but this is not really a very good term.

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« Reply #7163 on: August 13, 2016, 05:31:09 PM »
This little contribution is meant to supplement the excellent work presented by Chris Sykes, focusing on his theme of  ‘Partnered Output Coils” except that I am also offering the idea that Partnered Battery Sources together with Partnered Output Coils is feasible as well. This is because such a symmetric and balanced type of circuit design opens up more possibilities for mutual or reciprocal feedback and regeneration of batteries, as well as balanced lead-out of output energies!

 Here below, I will freely offer several suggested designs, some of which I have partially but not exhaustively tested, which could be combined in with some of Chris’s circuit designs. Meanwhile, since I last contributed here in May 2015, much progress has been made, and I have continued to build and test some of my own Quadrature rotating devices, with or without the addition of these driving/feedback circuits.

Positive and/or Constructive comments are welcome, but I do not visit the forum every day. Enjoy! ~


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« Reply #7164 on: August 13, 2016, 11:01:32 PM »
This little contribution is meant to supplement the excellent work presented by Chris Sykes, focusing on his theme of  ‘Partnered Output Coils” except that I am also offering the idea that Partnered Battery Sources together with Partnered Output Coils is feasible as well. This is because such a symmetric and balanced type of circuit design opens up more possibilities for mutual or reciprocal feedback and regeneration of batteries, as well as balanced lead-out of output energies!

 Here below, I will freely offer several suggested designs, some of which I have partially but not exhaustively tested, which could be combined in with some of Chris’s circuit designs. Meanwhile, since I last contributed here in May 2015, much progress has been made, and I have continued to build and test some of my own Quadrature rotating devices, with or without the addition of these driving/feedback circuits.

Positive and/or Constructive comments are welcome, but I do not visit the forum every day. Enjoy! ~



Hi Mr XYZ!!!

Thank you for posting! I completely agree, this is a brilliant post, Thank You!!! Immediately, I thought of the work John Bedini has shared for decades about the Tesla Switch as soon as I saw this.

It may be the case that John was trying to say something to us all those years back? I personally think so!

That aside, even though its a great analogy, this work of yours is excellent! A really good way to think and practice the actual Electrical Energy functions, Transformation and "Generation".

Thank you for posting this work Mr XYZ!!!

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« Reply #7165 on: August 14, 2016, 01:38:25 PM »


In the last few pages, there have been some super important statements made.




Coils can be arranged to also offset this timing.




This statement along with all the others are really important to see some of the critical aspects to making these devices work. Let’s see one aspect of this:


When a wave moves through space, the propagation of the wave is seen in parts, the Wave propagation has Peaks, Trough's and Equilibrium points, or Nulls. Any and all Transformer Cores see the same thing, where the core can have a single frequency applied to it and by moving a coil along the core, can change the Phasing of the Coils Induction.

Many things play a role here when talking about Induction, like Coupling Coefficient (K) and things like this. For simplicity we will stick to the basics.

Let’s say we have a Sine Wave of 1KHz, this gives us a Wave Length in Free Space of 300,000 Meters, let’s say we had one Coil at 0 Meter's, another coil at 75,000 Meters, what would the phase difference be?

Well 0.25 or 1/4 the wave length of the total Wave length.

So the Phase difference would be 90 Degrees if my Math is correct:

   300,000 / 360 = 833.33333333333333333333333333333
   75,000 / 833.33333333333333333333333333333 = 90

So 90 Degrees difference between the Coils gives us a nice phase offset between the Coils that can get the ball rolling. Of course this is not a totally clear picture, Transformer Cores are not this big, but a small change on the Core, at the right Frequency can give a big Phase Angle change due to the other factors mentioned above also. Wave propagation in some materials can be greatly reduced also, Coaxial Cable the Speed of Signal, or the Speed of Light Constant, can be around 65 - 77%

I would like to remind you, I try not to use High Frequency, 40Hz to around 5KHz is my normal range of Frequencys.

I ask you, please think on the statements made, if you put the dots together, you will see a brand new World of possibilities.

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« Reply #7166 on: August 15, 2016, 12:10:43 PM »



Jim Murray has much the same to say as I have:

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This device right here, is a thing we call a Transforming Generator, and ah, this Is on the DVD that I gave, ah, ah, gave to various people to, ah, review, and what this does, is actually allows you to separate, for the first time, in a device that’s, ah, repeatable and measureable, the difference between a EMF and a Voltage.

And the problem is, anytime you have a winding, you wind up with two types of Induction in that winding, you have ldi/dt, which everybody is familiar with, that’s the rate of change Current times the Inductance, but you also wind up with idl/dt, which is essentially the miracle worker of these machines, and that’s the Current times the rate of change of the inductance, and the reason that’s so interesting, is if you do a dimensional analysis of the terms involved, it comes out to be Negative Resistance.

And so that completes the four quadrant, um, Vector Diagram involving Watts, Vars, negative Vars, and negative Watts. And now the whole picture comes together in a very succinct manner.

https://youtu.be/armx9kJ8BU0?t=44m6s


I think it is worth taking some time to understand what is being said here.

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« Reply #7167 on: August 15, 2016, 01:18:57 PM »
Hi Chris, Guys,

I have a question for you. I watched some Russian video ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XInN3jk1Hy0 ) and it inspired me to replicate the setup.
  I have made one as seen on the picture below. The picture is self explaining.
You only do not see a 1 Ohm resistor I used on the AC source to read the input current. 
2 partnered coils on the ferrite torroid core,  (CW & CCW).

I know kirchhoff law is used mainly for DC circuits. How is it with the AC circuit as on my picture below??

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« Reply #7168 on: August 15, 2016, 01:37:40 PM »
Hi Chris, Guys,

I have a question for you. I watched some Russian video ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XInN3jk1Hy0 ) and it inspired me to replicate the setup.
  I have made one as seen on the picture below. The picture is self explaining.
You only do not see a 1 Ohm resistor I used on the AC source to read the input current. 
2 partnered coils on the ferrite torroid core,  (CW & CCW).

I know kirchhoff law is used mainly for DC circuits. How is it with the AC circuit as on my picture below??

Cheers,


Thanks John.K1 - An excellent example of simplicitiy and importance! Thank you very much for sharing!

Kirchhoff's Voltage Law, and also Kirchhoff's Current Law is not valid for Active components, for example a "Generator", or a Battery.

So, this example does not hold when it comes to the fore mentioned Laws. Because there will be Active Coil/s here. Some may not agree with me here. I bet that many can explain this away as tom foolery, truth is there is a tone to learn here!!!

Do you read Russian? Would be interested in a Translation there!

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« Reply #7169 on: August 15, 2016, 04:25:15 PM »

Do you read Russian? Would be interested in a Translation there!


 I made quickly subtitled version :)  https://youtu.be/GFqJ5D6mkO0

regards,

 

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