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Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6510 on: December 19, 2015, 07:56:16 AM »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6511 on: December 19, 2015, 10:57:08 AM »
EMJunkie


I thought maybe cifta would respond. I cannot measure or catch the difference because of analog scope lack of feature of storing waveform.
It's just that : you take a resistor and charge capacitor from DC power source - nice clean understandable waveform.
Now, you do the same with inductor having the same resistance , from the same source - what is REALLY happening in the first few microseconds ? does inductor resist current flow due to inductance ? I suppose ,yes , but I can't see it.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6512 on: December 19, 2015, 04:47:15 PM »
Hi Forest,

Sorry for the slow response.  I have been kind of busy lately and forgot about your first post.  I have not tried to discharge one inductor into another inductor but I think I have a pretty good idea what would happen.  As you posted an inductor does resist the change in current flow.  It resists both an increase in current and a decrease in current.  A simple explanation for how an inductor works is to think of it this way.  You know that a wire carrying a current has a magnetic field around the wire.  Now if we coil that wire up on a spool or other form we now have each turn of the wire next to another turn of wire.  So as the current starts to flow each turn of wire has a magnetic field that is acting upon the turns next to it.  The action is to produce a voltage in the other turn that opposes the applied voltage.  This action limits how fast the current can rise in an inductor.  Once the current in the coil reaches the point where it can no longer increase because of the dc resistance of the coil then the inductance effect stops and the magnetic field stabilizes.

Now if we turn off the voltage going to the coil then the magnetic field starts to collapse.  As the magnetic field starts to collapse it induces a voltage on the turns of wire that try to keep the current flowing in the same direction as it was before the voltage was turned off.  If there is no load for that current to go to then it will try to arc across the switch contacts or go through the transistor or whatever device was used to turn the voltage on and off.

I think your original question was what happens if you discharge one inductor into another inductor?  That all depends on the inductance of the two inductors.  I think you said they were of equal value.  In that case you should get a discharge curve very similar to the charge curve.  If the second inductor had a much lower inductance than the first then you would get a slower discharge curve.  That really seems backwards doesn't it?  Well you have to remember there is only so much stored energy in the coil.  A rather weird thing about coils is how they discharge that energy.  If we have a high resistance or inductance for it to discharge into, the coil will generate a high voltage to overcome that resistance or inductance.  A higher voltage means a loss of current so the pulse will be very short.

Now if we discharge the coil into a low resistance or inductance the voltage generated will be low and the current will be high so we get a longer discharge time.  This is because the higher current helps to maintain the magnetic field.  Remember that an inductor wants to keep the current flowing at the same rate and adjusts to try and do that.

I have included a link to a video about inductors and there are plenty more to watch and learn from.  I did not find one that shows a discharge from one inductor into another although what gotoluc and some of the others on this forum are doing is probably pretty close to what you are interested in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgwXkUt3XxQ

Keep studying and you will learn a lot more than you can imagine.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6512 on: December 19, 2015, 04:47:15 PM »
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6513 on: December 19, 2015, 05:50:38 PM »
Suppose you have two equal sized inductors and they are not magnetically coupled.   If the first inductor has one amp flowing through it and the second inductor has zero amps flowing through it, when you discharge the first inductor into the second inductor the current flow will nearly instantly take a step down to one-half amp.  For a very short time when the connection is first made, the first inductor will generate a very high voltage spike and then it will nearly instantly disappear and then one-half amp will be flowing through both coils.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6514 on: December 19, 2015, 06:52:58 PM »
Ok, I was too inaccurate. If we have a coil of thick wire, thus having low inductance and low resistance and charge capacitor from battery via this coil , can you catch the difference in charging waveform to the non-inductive resistor of the same resistance.


Second question is more important and I know there was a long discussion about it.
When you connect coil to the battery and disconnect and connect to the capacitor just at the moment when the core saturates then it become a pure resistor to the power source so it should be large current charging capacitor and also EMF from magnetic field collapse. Is that collapse producing additional current at higher voltage then power source or rather it is acting purely on the current from power source flowing through the resistance of the coil turns.
Two currents or one current ?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6515 on: December 19, 2015, 07:30:15 PM »
forest,

You seem to be saying that you think when the coil is saturated the magnetic field collapses.  That is not correct.  Once the coil reaches saturation the magnetic field becomes stable or unchanging.  Since it is not changing it no longer has any effect on the coil.  However it is still there.  It is only after the voltage source is removed that the field starts to collapse and tries to keep the current flowing.  If I misunderstood what you were saying please correct me.

Back to your first question in your last post I need to clarify something else.  Having a coil of thick wire does not necessarily mean it will have low inductance.  It could still have high inductance if it has a core material or if the wire was pretty long and wound tightly.  If you have a scope set to trigger on an event you can see the difference between charging a cap through a resistor as compared to through an inductor even if the inductor has a low inductance and low resistance.  The cap will always charge slower through the inductor if the inductor has the same resistance as the resistor.  It may be only a few milliseconds slower, but it will be slower  because of the things I posted before about how an inductor works.

Carroll

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6516 on: December 19, 2015, 08:24:22 PM »


Apologies again, I have asked Billy Bogan to not post on this thread about 30 times... Like a Flea on a Dogs back, just keeps coming back...

Back to business...

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6516 on: December 19, 2015, 08:24:22 PM »
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6517 on: December 19, 2015, 09:06:56 PM »


Hey Forest,

If you were to use a Circuit similar to the one below, you would see a Capacitor Charge and Discharge times like the picture below it again.

Gate Drives need to be 180 out of phase obviously. There is an RC Time Constant for both the Resistor Capacitor and the Capacitor Inductor. This can be calculated.

You already know all about Current Lead and Lags for Capacitors and Inductors.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6518 on: December 19, 2015, 11:44:18 PM »


Faradays Law of Induction!!!

The trusty Electrical "Generator" has provided us with Electrical Energy for some 184 Years.

See:
Electrical Energy 101 - Faradays Law of Induction - Part 1
Electrical Energy 101 - Faradays Law of Induction - Part 2
Electrical Energy 101 - Faradays Law of Induction - Part 3

Electric Motors DC Motors and Generators - Part 1 - 1961 US Army Training Film
Electric Motors AC Motors and Generators - Part 2 - 1961 US Army Training Film
Electricity & Electronics Current 1974 US Air Force Training Film

and

Electricity & Electronics - Voltage - 1974 US Air Force Training Film
How Magnets Produce Electricity - 1954 US Navy Training Film


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P.S: Look at Electrolysis Hydrogen Production - It is also Separating the Electrons from the Hydrogen Nucleus. The Hydrogen Atom shares 2 Electrons with the Oxygen Atom, by breaking these bonds, it frees the Hydrogen and Oxygen.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6518 on: December 19, 2015, 11:44:18 PM »
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6519 on: December 20, 2015, 07:55:01 AM »
After some 439 Pages, I hope we have now got a message of hope through to people running blindly down dark alley ways!

Induction is Induction, Electrical Energy comes directly from Matter/Mass - This is known as Mass/Energy Equivalence! It is Einstein's E = MC2

Surely the supporting evidence I have provided give's at least some people a step in the right direction:

Electrical Energy 101 - Faradays Law of Induction - Part 1
Electrical Energy 101 - Faradays Law of Induction - Part 2
Electrical Energy 101 - Faradays Law of Induction - Part 3

Electric Motors DC Motors and Generators - Part 1 - 1961 US Army Training Film
Electric Motors AC Motors and Generators - Part 2 - 1961 US Army Training Film
Electricity & Electronics - Current - 1974 US Air Force Training Film
Electricity & Electronics - Voltage - 1974 US Air Force Training Film
How Magnets Produce Electricity - 1954 US Navy Training Film

So, two equations, two ways of Inducing an EMF in a Conductor: EMF = Bvl and EMF = dPhi/dt

Here I show you some basic first principals: Self Assisted Oscillation in a Shorted Coil - Bucking Magnetic Field Oscillation

and, some more Principles: Opposing Magnetic Field Interactions - Partnered Output Coil

Three Coils:
   1: Input Coil
   2: Partnered Output Coils - Two Coils working together to Self Assist in the Frequency of Operation!

A good example of this is given here: Partnered Output Coils: Anti-Lenz effect - from: Юрий Лиховид (Yuri Likhovid) - Orriginally invented by Wistiti - Partnered Output Coil Toroid Feb 25, 2015

Note: There must be Current flowing in the Partnered Output Coils for this to work!

Please, always remember, Lenz's Law is a Magnetic Drag, fix the Magnetic Drag and you have got Free Energy!!! Magnetic Field is Current Flowing in the Coil Conductor.

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P.S: When others are set in their ways, its not just their Potential that they limit, its others that listen to their advise. See with Logic and open Eyes, not through others.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6520 on: December 20, 2015, 05:32:31 PM »

Apologies again, I have asked Billy Bogan to not post on this thread about 30 times... Like a Flea on a Dogs back, just keeps coming back...

Back to business...

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Well, we have asked you to quit lying and to stop making false claims about 3,000 times now, and yet you continue to do so.

If you think that cyber-stalking me is going to scare me Chris, you are mistaken.  By the way, that speed limit sign you posted a photo of is on an entirely different street from where I do my tuning and testing so, nice try but yet again, no cigar, ha ha.

Bill

PS  If you spent half the time reading electronics books that you wasted trying to track down a photo of me by dissecting my videos, you would maybe have learned something.  What a pitiful, lonely person you must be Chris.  Does your Mom know that you are such a scumbag?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6521 on: December 20, 2015, 05:51:42 PM »
Here is yet another example of Chris violating the T.O.S. for this forum.  He once again has falsified a quote from one of my posts
by changing the wording.

You can see my original post, and then you can see the false post made by Chris.

Chris was banned from this website for doing this exact same thing.  Does he not remember this?

Now he will claim that all of the drugs that he is taking makes him forget things like this...and also, how to use a scope correctly.
Just one more excuse after another for Chris.

I have preserved his actions here so Stefan can once again see Chris violating the T.O.S. after his repeated warnings not to do so.

Bill

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« Reply #6522 on: December 20, 2015, 09:30:13 PM »

The Partnered Output Coils Must be carrying a Current. Why you might say?

This is the proverbial Push Pull - A Magnetic Engine. Doing Work to Separate More Charges from the Coil Conductors.

You can see the principals in this Video: Self Assisted Oscillation in a Shorted Coil - Bucking Magnetic Field Oscillation

How could it be that Two Coils that are shorted between each other, can increase the Globes Brilliance? Conventionally Bucking Coils Shorted like this would do "Nothing", but here you can clearly see that they are doing useful work!!! For Free!!! No Extra Cost on the Input!!!

A free increase in efficiency!!!

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« Reply #6523 on: December 20, 2015, 09:34:24 PM »
The Partnered Output Coils Must be carrying a Current. Why you might say?

This is the proverbial Push Pull - A Magnetic Engine. Doing Work to Separate More Charges from the Coil Conductors.

You can see the principals in this Video: Self Assisted Oscillation in a Shorted Coil - Bucking Magnetic Field Oscillation

How could it be that Two Coils that are shorted between each other, can increase the Globes Brilliance? Conventionally Bucking Coils Shorted like this would do "Nothing", but here you can clearly see that they are doing useful work!!! For Free!!! No Extra Cost on the Input!!!

A free increase in efficiency!!!

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So, I suppose that this is your way of telling us that you expect a pm from Stefan sometime in the near future telling you that you are, once again, Moderated?

If it wasn't...it should have been.

Bill

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« Reply #6524 on: December 20, 2015, 10:01:39 PM »

This Magnetic Engine works on all the same principals. (AT) Ampere Turns which is the Turns times the Current. So for example, 200 Turns Times 1 Ampere of Current (I) = 200 (AT) Ampere Turns.

4PI/10 x 1 Ampere Turn = 1.2566 Gilberts - You can read about Gilberts Here: Magnetomotive force

Maximising the Efficiency of the Total amount of Work that Partnered Output Coils can do, is a case of getting the Ampere Turns up so the Magnetic Field is equal to the Magnetic Field of the Input Coil.

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