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Offline synchro1

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3825 on: June 25, 2015, 03:42:19 AM »
I just watched a video, where the experimenter shorted a tesla bifilar coil to achieve rotor acceleration by closing a blade switch, thereby connecting the two open coil leads one to the other.

Tinman is really not shorting the coil, he's connecting a load. The load just happens to be an output coil. This interference causes a retardation in the induced magnetic pole, and a consequent phase lag. 

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3826 on: June 25, 2015, 06:36:31 AM »


Tinman is really not shorting the coil, he's connecting a load. The load just happens to be an output coil. This interference causes a retardation in the induced magnetic pole, and a consequent phase lag.
Wrong
One coil is shorted via the fet.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3827 on: June 25, 2015, 06:50:38 AM »
hi all good mates. another of the same circuit using a bosch front loader washing machine motor.. and tinman how is the weather in perth. I am right bang in the Seychelles indian ocean..

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« Reply #3827 on: June 25, 2015, 06:50:38 AM »
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Offline synchro1

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3828 on: June 25, 2015, 09:43:23 AM »
Wrong
One coil is shorted via the fet.

@Tinman,

              I failed to spot the FET in the test schematic Chris uploaded. Awesome COP! Try and self loop. Just attach those light wires to the battery electrodes.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3829 on: June 25, 2015, 11:12:09 AM »
Wrong
One coil is shorted via the fet.

This is quite interesting, the way this is going! Re Timnan's Rotary Transformer:

Lets look at this in some detail.

We have:
   1: A Single Pole AC Motor.
   2: 1 Fett, or Transistor.
   3: 1 DC Electrolytic Cap, more were added for De-Coupling request later on by our resident EE Guru's. 
   4: 1 Resistor.
   5: 1 Diode.
   6: 1 Switch.
   7: 1 Globe 12V Automotive (Load)

Importantly, each Coil is drawn, as a parallel Connection to each other, with a Diode, a Switch, and a mysterious "Shorting" Circuit drawn in a single square box. This is shown by Point A and Point B in the below schematic. There is a secret here that only those that have followed and read what I have said will know, so, all Single Pole Electric Motors may not work for this reason!

Now, to this Mysterious Shorting! Tinman seems to be holding this quite close to his chest, I sort of understand, but unfortunately, this will not help anyone to move forward. I agree with him that all should have to work hard for this and not made available to the Pilferers of society! However, this is creating confusion, where there should be none! Deliberate confusion helps no one!

So, some questions, ask yourself, what's going to happen when a "Shorting" occurs?

   1: Cap will be short Circuited
   2: One or Both Coils will be shorted depending on the polarity of the Diode and Transistor
   3: Huge current will be seen by the Transistor and likely will not survive! 10.40 Volts / Estimated on resistance of 0.25 Ohms = 41.6 Amps Not including the drawn resistor on the Switched in Coil.

So, "Shorting" is a very unlikely methodology here! Maybe this should be termed "Switching In" the Second Partnered Output Coil instead! You need to really look at this is some detail! Make NO Assumptions here, be open and ask yourself, "What is it that Tinman is actually, so called, "Shorting"?"

Remember DC Current drops on the Input after this circuit is switched in!, Shorting a Coil will not give you this result!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3830 on: June 25, 2015, 11:14:17 AM »
@Tinman,

              I failed to spot the FET in the test schematic Chris uploaded. Awesome COP! Try and self loop. Just attach those light wires to the battery electrodes.

@Synchro1,

I have never ever done this so called "Shorting"!

Please, make no assumptions here! Partnered Output Coils require no "Shorting"!!!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3831 on: June 25, 2015, 11:41:48 AM »
snip...
So, some questions, ask yourself, what's going to happen when a "Shorting" occurs?

   1: Cap will be short Circuited

 snip...


Well, actually no, not according to the diagram. One side of the shorted coil circuit output connections to the main generator circuit and storage capacitor is via a resistor (of unspecified value).


Cheers.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3832 on: June 25, 2015, 11:47:28 AM »

Well, actually no, not according to the diagram. One side of the shorted coil circuit output connection to the main generator circuit and storage capacitor is via a resistor (of unknown value).


Cheers.

@Hoptoad,

You're not wrong, however, this depends weather you believe this is a base Resistor, or a Pull Down Resistor as there is only one in the entire circuit?

Adding a resistor to the Coil in question, is not of any benefit where it currently is for Output Power.

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Offline picowatt

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3833 on: June 25, 2015, 11:55:19 AM »

So, "Shorting" is a very unlikely methodology here! Maybe this should be termed "Switching In" the Second Partnered Output Coil instead! You need to really look at this is some detail! Make NO Assumptions here, be open and ask yourself, "What is it that Tinman is actually, so called, "Shorting"?"


I believe Tinman is a bit more qualified to describe the operation of his circuit... 


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3833 on: June 25, 2015, 11:55:19 AM »
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3834 on: June 25, 2015, 12:07:23 PM »
I believe Tinman is a bit more qualified to describe the operation of his circuit...

Yes, PW, you're right. This is Tinman's design, he made it work, he is the Inventor.

He has done well and it is his choice if he decides to show what's really going on.

Importantly, this is one of hundreds of ways that Partnered Output Coils can work, so I urge no one to limit themselves! Use what information you can, then use your own intuition! Become your own inventor!

What Tinman's Invention does show, is that Partnered Output Coils work! Its real, simple, cheap to work with and what's more it can be made to work many ways!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3835 on: June 25, 2015, 12:08:43 PM »
@Synchro1,

I have never ever done this so called "Shorting"!

Please, make no assumptions here! Partnered Output Coils require no "Shorting"!!!

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Indeed, no assumptions should be made...

I see very little in common between your "partnered coils" and Tinman's device.

PW

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3836 on: June 25, 2015, 12:13:18 PM »
Indeed, no assumptions should be made...

I see very little in common between your "partnered coils" and Tinman's device.

PW

PW, there is a very good reason for this issue you have.

I can only quote from Tinman:


They also dismiss EMJ's shorted coil theory,and although he hasnt shown a working device yet,and he messed up the scope measurements,his theory is sound.


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3837 on: June 25, 2015, 12:22:22 PM »
Yes, PW, you're right. This is Tinman's design, he made it work, he is the Inventor.

He has done well and it is his choice if he decides to show what's really going on.

Importantly, this is one of hundreds of ways that Partnered Output Coils can work, so I urge no one to limit themselves! Use what information you can, then use your own intuition! Become your own inventor!

What Tinman's Invention does show, is that Partnered Output Coils work! Its real, simple, cheap to work with and what's more it can be made to work many ways!

   Chris Sykes
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Tinman's device demonstrates his work, not yours.

Other than both using wire, Tinman's device and your "partnered coils" have little in common.

Tinman's work has more in common with previous attempts and discussions related to the use of
coil shorting to reduce Lenz.

That said, I find Tinman's results quite interesting and hope he will share more with us in time.

PW 

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3838 on: June 25, 2015, 12:22:24 PM »
This is quite interesting, the way this is going! Re Timnan's Rotary Transformer:

Lets look at this in some detail.


 

 

Remember DC Current drops on the Input after this circuit is switched in!, Shorting a Coil will not give you this result!

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We have two Coils, 1 Resistor, 1 DC Electrolytic Cap, more were added for De-Coupling request later on by our resident EE Guru's. 1 Fett, or Transistor and one Single Pole AC Motor.

Plus the components you dont see in the basic measuring point schematic.

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Importantly, each Coil is drawn, as a parallel Connection to each other,

No they are not.Each coil is connected to the cap,but separated by the mosfet and diode.

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all Single Pole Electric Motors may not work for this reason!

Im not sure what your reason is,but it is true that not all universal motors will work straight up. Some may require that the coils be rewound on the stator-->as in the case of my larger universal motor.

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Now, to this Mysterious Shorting! Tinman seems to be holding this quite close to his chest,

You bet your ass i am-->for reasons i have explained.

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I sort of understand, but unfortunately, this will not help anyone to move forward.

As was clearly explained right from the start. I only posted the test results and a basic schematic for measurement points only,as MH requested that i back up my claim with evidence.I had no intention of disclosing the device and the completed schematics as a whole,but only the results shown by the device.

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I agree with him that all should have to work hard for this and not made available to the Pilferers of society! However, this is creating confusion, where there should be none! Deliberate confusion helps no one!

I have done nothing of a sort,and the only confusion here is the misunderstanding that i was here to present a complete device and schematic for others to replicate. It was only presented for measurement confirmation <-- still to come.
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So, some questions, ask yourself, what's going to happen when a "Shorting" occurs?

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1: Cap will be short Circuited

No it wont.


 
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2: One or Both Coils will be shorted depending on the polarity of the Diode and Transistor

Only coil B is shorted.

 
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3: Huge current will be seen by the Transistor and likely will not survive! 10.40 Volts / Estimated on resistance of 0.25 Ohms = 41.6 Amps Not including the drawn resistor on the Switched in Coil.

Where did you get .25 ohms for resistance from? Coils A and B's resistance is 3.2 ohms. At 10.4 volts across 3 ohms is only 3,25 amp's. The IRF540 will handle a continuous drain current of 20 amp's at 100*C, and a pulsed current of 100 amps. Why will the fet not survive?.

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So, "Shorting" is a very unlikely methodology here! Maybe this should be termed "Switching In" the Second Partnered Output Coil instead!

Shorting coil B is exactly what happens. These are not partnered coil's,as they both have very different jobs.

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You need to really look at this is some detail! Make NO Assumptions here, be open and ask yourself, "What is it that Tinman is actually, so called, "Shorting"?"

TinMan is shorting coil B.

I think there was a mix up with the coil shorting and partnered coil situation EMJ.  What i was meaning is both situations cause a bucking magnetic field.
I think many people here also are a bit confused as to how and where the magnetic fields are on the rotor in regards to the position of the stators magnetic field. The rotors fields are actually between(close to) the two stator fields,not close to the center of each stator field<-- im talking about the motor being in standard operation mode here.

So before anyone else tries to replicate this device,lets make sure i havnt screw'd up the measurements first. Then we will go from there.
What i dont want is this being another UFOpolotics situation ,where people spend there time and money on something that dosnt work as i have claimed.

Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3839 on: June 25, 2015, 12:29:21 PM »
Tinman's device demonstrates his work, not yours.

Other than both using wire, Tinman's device and your "partnered coils" have little in common.

Tinman's work has more in common with previous attempts and discussions related to the use of
coil shorting to reduce Lenz.

That said, I find Tinman's results quite interesting and hope he will share more with us in time.

PW

PW, I think you're a bit unset now? Are you going to be ok?

I have a Hankie if you need it  :'(

Yes, he has done well, and if he shares, then good, if not then fine also.

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