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Offline MarkE

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2445 on: May 07, 2015, 09:49:13 PM »
In every commercial transforemr one element is required. IRON.
Do you know any big commercial transformer without iron core ? Do you know any pwoer station generating MW of power without using iron core ?
If you rephrase that to:  "Every commercial line frequency transformer uses a high permeability material, such as silicon steel laminations."  Then I agree.  Solid iron cores are very lossy even at mains frequencies of 50Hz / 60Hz.

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« Reply #2446 on: May 07, 2015, 09:51:34 PM »
Cmon MH where you at dont pick a fight then leave roflmao
 
control the discharge make a path through the barrier

On another note and another complete setup what are eddy currents, what heats a core, magnetic flux or eddy currents, where is magnetic flux concentrated in a solenoid.

eddy currents are your friend  ;)
Eddy currents are your friend if:

1) You want to make an induction heater, OR
2) You want to make an eddy current brake, OR
3) You want to make an AC induction motor

In many applications such as transformers, and many types of motors and solenoids, eddy currents waste energy.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2447 on: May 07, 2015, 10:17:55 PM »
I see that I am the subject of a new, cynical and insulting "Poll" placed on this thread by EMJunkie -- who lies in the very title of the thread and many times thereafter.

I challenge _ANYONE_ to provide actual evidence that:

1) I have ever LIED in any posts in this thread
2) I am now or have ever been a "Paid CIA/NSA Troll"
3) I am incapable of "thinking logically or rationally"

You cannot do it, because none of those claims are true.

Further, I'm no "superhero"... I'm just a scientist (with expensive bits of vellum and parchment to prove it) who understands the Scientific Method and how to apply it. And I've provided evidence of this fact many times over the years, on this forum and others. Yes, I have even been _paid_ to teach what I know at the University level, and also by private laboratories to design, build and test various kinds of apparatus to test various claims of new physics ... but I have been providing my services here for free. Whether or not the readers think they are getting value for their "money" here is up to them to judge...nobody is forced to read or respond to my posts or to take my advice. Anytime I am personally attacked or insulted for what I do... those attacks represent pure malicious bullying and Trolling, ad hominem abusive logical fallacies,  and not any kind of rational discussion. And nobody has _proven me wrong_, either.

How "rational" is it for a poster to post comment after comment containing nothing but personal attacks and false, insulting images designed to do nothing but create an emotional response? How "logical" is it for someone to claim "Free Energy" as the title to this thread does, when he cannot provide the least shred of evidence in support of those claims? How "truthful" is it when someone claims that which he cannot demonstrate,  and in fact has made his own erroneous conclusions based on misuse of test equipment and bogus, faulty measurements? You are in the presence of a Disinformation Agent, that is certainly true, but it is not I,  or MH, or MarkE who is disinforming you.

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Offline TinselKoala

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« Reply #2448 on: May 07, 2015, 10:48:53 PM »
Since someone brought up the issue of separating and controlling high voltage charge, 500,000 v or more....

Well, as far as separating and controlling charges at high tension is concerned, I have been working with electrostatics for many years. I regularly work with voltages (tensions, charge pressures) of 500 kV or more, in electrostatic machines and also with quarter-wave and half-wave air core VRSWR devices (aka Tesla coils). Years ago I conducted a series of experiments concerning exploding wires, where the energy was provided by discharging a big bank of HV pulse capacitors, charged to high voltages by one of my Bonetti machines (which are capable of nearly half a megavolt in good conditions.) Voltages in excess of 60kV and peak currents of 1.5 kiloAmperes or more were used in those experiments. I've worked with large VanDeGraaf matched pairs of opposite polarities that created over 1.2 _megavolts_ of tension between their top spheres, and used them in controlled discharge experiments of the Podkletnov gravity-beam claims. I have even created a high-tension "semiconductor" whose primary component was an isopropyl alcohol vapor capacitor with a third control terminal, that acted like a transistor at 60kV tension. Until it exploded!


Here's one video, using a tiny VanDeGraaff EHV generator to supply the high tension,  that may be amusing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-aP7sk48jw


And a playlist of some of my more recent videos concerning electrostatics and the use of charge separation at high tension:

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLml9VdOeqKa83tuogeHz4BCYK4juT6dqU

If anyone wants to discuss or ask questions about any of this stuff please just leave a comment on the video concerned and I'll be happy to discuss or answer there... where we do not have to deal with trolls and insults.

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« Reply #2449 on: May 07, 2015, 11:33:28 PM »
The flux is denser near the inner edge of a toroidal core as shown in Fig.2

Verpies.

That dosnt seem right ,or make any sense. Dose the two colors in the full winding depic field's?-->is blue south field,and red north field?

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Offline verpies

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2450 on: May 07, 2015, 11:41:02 PM »
Do the two colors in the full winding depict field's?-->is blue south field,and red north field?
No.
The legend in the diagram directly states that this is the map of magnetic flux density in the crossection of the core.
Obviously red color indicates higher flux density and the blue color indicates lower flux density (B).

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2451 on: May 07, 2015, 11:47:27 PM »
Further, I'm no "superhero"... I'm just a scientist
...but the poll does not have that option, so you must realize that all voters who considered you a scientist chose the next best option ...which is "superhero" ;)

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Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2452 on: May 08, 2015, 12:24:31 AM »
Chris,

Interesting visualizations, I might be missing something, for which I need some clarifications

A catastrophic collision(1) and hoops rotating through each other (2)

1..  Can you expand some on why you think this has a relationship to your theorized "bucking" configuration. (beyond bucking = colliding)
2..  How do you see this visualization to help the hypotheses or demonstrate your partnered coils to produce a beneficial output

Regards, Red

Red - Fair questions but I get the sense of hypocrisy?

Ask yourself - What are the most basic fundamentals that constitute the Magnetic Field?

    Answer: Electric Field, the Velocity of Orbiting Electron's - E.G: Inverse Square Law

This is, in all its entirety, the A Vector Potential.

The old, out dated, Iron Filing experiment, only shows one thing: That Iron Filings can be Magnetised!

E.G: Take three small nails - place one on a Magnet, place the other on the end of the other and repeat for the third... (then imaging all of the Iron Filings).  This is the Iron Filing Experiment on a larger scale. Which shows nothing of value except that Magnetic Materials are Magnetic!!!

The Conventional way of thinking of the magnetic Field is Bogus, How we think of the Magnetic Field, is simple Vortices in Space. Where the Orbiting Electron Spin, at P/4Pir2 is the Fundamental underlying cause of the Magnetic Field Illusion. Where, I1/(I2) = (d2)2/(d1)2 being the Inverse Square Law.

It is, however, still useful to think of a "Magnetic Field"

   Chris

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2453 on: May 08, 2015, 12:57:45 AM »

Nobody questions the fact that there is a force between two opposing or attracting magnetic fields.  But the fact remains that the two magnetic fields do not interact with each other.


MileHigh - In the case of a Standard Conventional Transformer - Do the Magnetic Fields Interact with each Other?

       Answer: YES

Ever heard of Induction brother?

I am sorry, but this is your biggest FAIL to date!!!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2454 on: May 08, 2015, 02:12:10 AM »
MileHigh - In the case of a Standard Conventional Transformer - Do the Magnetic Fields Interact with each Other?

       Answer: YES

Ever heard of Induction brother?

I am sorry, but this is your biggest FAIL to date!!!

      Answer:  NO

The reason I am saying "no" is because the magnetic field inside a transformer core will undergo exactly the same vector addition as previously discussed.

The magnetic filings test is real and true.  The magnetic filings line up with the magnetic field lines because they find their minimum MPE just as surely as a brick falls to the ground to find its minimum GPE.

You are a clueless uneducated guy pitching nonsense about electricity and magnetism.  You can't punch your way out of a wet paper bag.

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« Reply #2455 on: May 08, 2015, 02:19:32 AM »
      Answer:  NO

The reason I am saying "no" is because the magnetic field inside a transformer core will undergo exactly the same vector addition as previously discussed.

The magnetic filings test is real and true.  The magnetic filings line up with the magnetic field lines because they find their minimum MPE just as surely as a brick falls to the ground to find its minimum GPE.

You are a clueless uneducated guy pitching nonsense about electricity and magnetism.  You can't punch your way out of a wet paper bag.

Hahahaha - Yep, ok in your mind! Vector Addition (-1 + 1 = 0) Yes its called Superposition, hahaha never heard so much BullSh** in my life! Seems those that know how Lenz's Law works, actually disagrees with MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2456 on: May 08, 2015, 02:23:30 AM »


TK - You faired Well: Congratulations!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2457 on: May 08, 2015, 02:39:57 AM »


New Poll - To show I am fair and Just - This one is for me. Vote as you wish!

MileHigh, you're next BUDDY - Hahahaha gonna be good.

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« Reply #2458 on: May 08, 2015, 05:45:28 AM »
No.
The legend in the diagram directly states that this is the map of magnetic flux density in the crossection of the core.
Obviously red color indicates higher flux density and the blue color indicates lower flux density (B).
Still dosnt seem right. That seems to indicate that the outer perimeter has the highest flux density, and the inner part of the core (inner perimeter) has the lowest flux density. This is opposite to what it should be. One would think that the area of the core that is least, but has more turn overlap of wire, would have the highest flux density. The outer perimeter has muchmore core material, but less wire overlap. It seems to make sense that the outer perimeter of the core would then recieve less magnetic flux from the conducting wire. But going against all this, I believe the highest flux density would be in the center of the core.

Also, where is north and south field In a toroid?. If it dosnt have north or south, then is that a monopole field. If we look at a normal magnetic field, north and south is seen as a flow out\flow in, but here there is no flow out\flow in with a toroid.

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« Reply #2459 on: May 08, 2015, 05:54:24 AM »
Still dosnt seem right. That seems to indicate that the outer perimeter has the highest flux density, and the inner part of the core (inner perimeter) has the lowest flux density. This is opposite to what it should be. One would think that the area of the core that is least, but has more turn overlap of wire, would have the highest flux density. The outer perimeter has muchmore core material, but less wire overlap. It seems to make sense that the outer perimeter of the core would then recieve less magnetic flux from the conducting wire. But going against all this, I believe the highest flux density would be in the center of the core.

Also, where is north and south field In a toroid?. If it dosnt have north or south, then is that a monopole field. If we look at a normal magnetic field, north and south is seen as a flow out\flow in, but here there is no flow out\flow in with a toroid.

Tinman:

Good observation.  In a toroidal electromagnet there are N/S poles right?  I don't see why there would not be in a toroid transformer type coil?  I never tried to check for this in any of my basic JT circuits but, I think the poles would be switching so fast, or at least the field would be collapsing on and off so fast, I might not be able to tell?

Bill

 

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