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Author Topic: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy  (Read 2400438 times)

Dave45

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2430 on: May 07, 2015, 06:49:40 PM »
Actually the ice confirms conventional theory, if you look closely the flux density is close to the inner winding.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2430 on: May 07, 2015, 06:49:40 PM »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2431 on: May 07, 2015, 06:50:51 PM »
ROFLMAO
Yea visual evidence cant be trusted.
You would argue blacks white.
lol

Hey MH the moon is only an illusion dont look out at night, its not real.
lol

lol my ass.  Give us a rational reason or reasons for any of your freezing of water nonsense to make any sense at all.

Go ahead, list a bunch of points with logical explanations for each point to justify your "experiments."   If you believe in this tell us what your "results" of your experiments are indicating.

Dave45

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2432 on: May 07, 2015, 06:50:53 PM »
Now on a solenoid its a whole different ball game  8)

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« Reply #2432 on: May 07, 2015, 06:50:53 PM »
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Dave45

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2433 on: May 07, 2015, 06:55:22 PM »
Iv done experiments you know nothing about Iv seen things you will never see
I know things you will never know
Your prodding will not entice me
I have proven the existence of the aether.

But I do enjoy arguing with you old friend
lol

Offline MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2434 on: May 07, 2015, 06:59:15 PM »
Well there you go Dave45.  You were asked to justify your BS and you have basically nothing to say.

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« Reply #2434 on: May 07, 2015, 06:59:15 PM »
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Dave45

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2435 on: May 07, 2015, 07:09:45 PM »
Well there you go Dave45.  You were asked to justify your BS and you have basically nothing to say.
Your right
It took eight years but I finally learned to keep my mouth shut.
I had some flawed theory's that I worked out through experiments but my imagination knows no bounds
and I build.

Offline MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2436 on: May 07, 2015, 07:41:32 PM »
So that's just great, you have learned to keep your mouth shut.  The problem is, is that it is contradictory to what one would think you are trying to accomplish.  If you are doing some "experiments" by freezing water with a coil in the water, what are your "results?"

How much do you know about how water freezes?  Are factors like the concentrations of dissolved oxygen, nitrogen, and other gasses in the water things that influence the way water freezes?  What about non-gaseous impurities dissolved in the water?  How is a water molecule affected or possibly not affected by the presence of an electric field when it is close to freezing and then undergoes the phase change and freezes?  How is a water molecule affected or possibly not affected by the presence of a magnetic field when it is close to freezing and then undergoes the phase change and freezes?  What effects can an external electric or magnetic field have or not have on the crystallization process for water molecules when they turn into ice?  Without a coil in water, we still see bubble patterns and other types of patterns form in ice when it freezes.  So what gives with that?  It looks like the amount of dissolved gas in the water may or may not affect these bubble formations and other patterns in the forming ice.  Have you investigated these variables and what have you done to control these variables when you do your experiments?

No, the only thing I have seen from you Dave45 are pictures of coils in ice with associated bubble patterns.  I have never seen you attempt to explain what you are observing or to quantify what you are observing.  I have never seen you offer up a serious conclusion with some kind of reasoned argument to back up your conclusion or conclusions.

Your ridiculous ice experiments may actually show something, but with not a single stitch of logic or analysis of the data or research into the subject matter presented by you, it just looks like some dude froze some water and took pictures.  Big farking deal.

Your example is a good example of how not to do things around here.  "Look, bubbles in ice in a pretty pattern," is about as useful as saying, "Look, magnetic fields are like custard pies flying through the air!"

These things are an embarrassing farce but thank God there are at lease some people around here that can and do do real experiments and not these silly crazy charades that people like you attempt to pass off as experiments.

In the end, it looks to me that you have nothing to offer beyond pictures with no accompanying thoughts, explanations, or conclusions.

I am just using your example to make a point.  Flying custard pies for magnetic fields is another good example.  The point is that places like this need to get more serious if anybody wants to have a hope in hell of doing something significant and actually making a real difference.  This is not some alternative-nerd-universe, a tech version of Alice in Wonderland.  Last time I looked we are in the real world where batteries go dead.

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« Reply #2436 on: May 07, 2015, 07:41:32 PM »
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Dave45

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2437 on: May 07, 2015, 07:45:11 PM »
There is a flawed theory out there that a transformer takes electricity and turns it into magnetic energy then back into electrical energy, that doesn't happen.
The magnetic and electric fields are two distinct and different fields.
The term "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction" is true, concentrate on the equal, minus losses in the circuit of course.
Combine static and magnetic but you have to use a barrier to separate.

dave out

MH lol

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2438 on: May 07, 2015, 07:48:42 PM »
One could always take two toroids, insert them in the same water bath, and power one and not the other and then take time lapse pictures as the water freezes and after it is frozen.

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« Reply #2438 on: May 07, 2015, 07:48:42 PM »
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2439 on: May 07, 2015, 08:14:48 PM »
There is a flawed theory out there that a transformer takes electricity and turns it into magnetic energy then back into electrical energy, that doesn't happen.
The magnetic and electric fields are two distinct and different fields.
The term "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction" is true, concentrate on the equal, minus losses in the circuit of course.
Combine static and magnetic but you have to use a barrier to separate.

dave out

MH lol
We can only speak of electricity apart from magnetism in the electrostatic case of fixed charge separated by a fixed distance across a vacuum.  In all other cases, charge moves (although it may be so small as to be difficult to measure) and as soon as charge moves we are dealing with electromagnetics.  The electric and magnetic fields are inextricably linked by special relativity. 

Dave45

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2440 on: May 07, 2015, 08:39:07 PM »
We can only speak of electricity apart from magnetism in the electrostatic case of fixed charge separated by a fixed distance across a vacuum.  In all other cases, charge moves (although it may be so small as to be difficult to measure) and as soon as charge moves we are dealing with electromagnetics.  The electric and magnetic fields are inextricably linked by special relativity.
Agreed

When the charges are brought within a close proximity they neutralize each other.
A capacitor uses a dielectric barrier to separate charges, there is another way to separate charge.
If you use say a wimshurst machine and bring the capacitive spheres close enough you get a discharge that cant be controlled but if you use a barrier then you can control the discharge.


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« Reply #2440 on: May 07, 2015, 08:39:07 PM »
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Dave45

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2441 on: May 07, 2015, 08:46:38 PM »
Lets say you want to separate 500,000 volts how would you do it?
Its been posted before.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2442 on: May 07, 2015, 09:08:42 PM »
In every commercial transforemr one element is required. IRON.
Do you know any big commercial transformer without iron core ? Do you know any pwoer station generating MW of power without using iron core ?

Dave45

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2443 on: May 07, 2015, 09:09:38 PM »
Cmon MH where you at dont pick a fight then leave roflmao
 
control the discharge make a path through the barrier

On another note and another complete setup what are eddy currents, what heats a core, magnetic flux or eddy currents, where is magnetic flux concentrated in a solenoid.

eddy currents are your friend  ;)


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2444 on: May 07, 2015, 09:46:48 PM »
Agreed

When the charges are brought within a close proximity they neutralize each other.
A capacitor uses a dielectric barrier to separate charges, there is another way to separate charge.
If you use say a wimshurst machine and bring the capacitive spheres close enough you get a discharge that cant be controlled but if you use a barrier then you can control the discharge.
More specifically, it takes work to separate charges, IE generate electric tension, ie generate electric voltage.  A capacitor keeps charges mostly separated.  How well it does it measured by its leakage current versus voltage.

Discharge can always be controlled if the proper resistors are used.  The resistors must withstand the voltage potential without arcing over.  That sets a maximum voltage per unit length that must be below the arc-over voltage of the dielectric medium used, such as dry air.  See high voltage resistors from Caddock.


 

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