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Offline John.K1

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2415 on: May 07, 2015, 02:08:32 PM »
Red_Sunset, John.K1:

The simple fact is that magnetic fields don't interact with each other at all. 
MileHigh

Ok , I have nothing against. But there is a fact that the magnetic field has a vector force on the electrons  ( ex. Deflectors in old CRT, magnets in magnetrons, ec... )  And the electron is already some measurable mass with the kinetic energy and that electron surely collide with the other one in opposite direction. Right?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2416 on: May 07, 2015, 03:03:32 PM »
Chris
If something was wrong with Tinsel and itsu's replication attempts
will you help them "get it right" if we Bring them Back ??

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2417 on: May 07, 2015, 03:15:58 PM »
TK is looking preaty good in the poll ATM ;)

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2418 on: May 07, 2015, 03:36:32 PM »
Now-i have had an idea for a transformer my self,but need some info first.

It is said that a toroid transformer's magnetic field is contained within the core when current is passed through the windings. So my question is this--> is the magnetic field strongest around the outer edge of the core,or is the magnetic field strongest in the center of the core?.
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Offline Red_Sunset

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2419 on: May 07, 2015, 03:48:21 PM »
Red_Sunset, John.K1:
The simple fact is that magnetic fields don't interact with each other at all.  They pass right through each other like the other magnetic field didn't even exist.  In more technical terms, the magnetic field is a vector with magnitude and direction.  When two separate magnetic fields share the same physical space, they simply undergo vector addition which yields a net magnetic field in the same physical space.

Chris' little video clip with the two blobs of jelly hitting each other is completely and utterly wrong.  The real representation of magnetic fields with respect to the flying blobs of jelly would be that the two blobs of jelly would pass right through each other as if the other blob did not even exist.

Do you understand clearly what I am saying to you?   Feel free to go ahead and do as many bench tests as you want to see how two separate magnetic fields "interact" with each other.  In every single test you do you will find that the net magnetic field at any point in space is nothing more than the vector addition of the two separate sources of magnetic field.

So what do you do?  Do you fail to grasp this simple fact and constantly listen to wild, strange, or crazy theories about how magnetic fields interact with each other?  Or do you absorb this true, sensible, testable and verifiable knowledge and then use that information when you read other stuff around here?

What do you do?  Do you keep on entertaining crazy theories about how magnetic fields interact or do you accept the truth as fact?

MileHigh

MileHigh,
I am surprised, although I am sure that it must be misunderstanding, a misinterpreting from my side.

I always thought that fields of same direction repelled,  Magnetic fields from different sources can not exists in the same point space.
Sure the total sum of 2 or more fields in a encompassing space is the vector sum of all.  No unique field occupies the same point space of an other unique field, although this doesn't mean a field can not be neutralized if it originates from the ~ same point space. (as with a bifilar, with each filar having the same but counter current)

Back to the video with the 2 blobs on the holder, we assume the holder to be the coil and the blobs to be opposing pulsed fields.  I would guess they just repulse each other in a collision just like the jello blobs but their visual effect will be like 2 coil aura's colliding, not splattering in a radial direction  The passing of the field through each other, I do not see possible.

Your footnote,
And yes, I do understand what you are saying to me. I think that I am grasping quite fine simple facts
What do I do ?  I have no intention to convert you,  I just go forward with an open mind and allow some madness from people I meet so long it is forwardly stimulating.

Cheers, Red (stripe)???

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Offline verpies

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2420 on: May 07, 2015, 03:52:47 PM »
is the magnetic field strongest around the outer edge of the core,or is the magnetic field strongest in the center of the core?.
The flux is denser near the inner edge of a toroidal core as shown in Fig.2

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2421 on: May 07, 2015, 04:35:42 PM »
John,

Sure, it is a nice visualization in slow motion of a jelly type substance, 
The question is what do we need to understand from this visualization in relationship to the topic at hand ?
From a collision viewpoint,  a car crash would also be spectacular in slow motion.

With reference to a initiated magnetic field, if setup as shown in the video, I wouldn't see it as a collision in a singular direction.
I gather it would be more like establishing a domain of influence in 3D originating from each coil center, adopting a 3d distortion where the 2 fields meet.

Just a viewpoint,  Red
Static and dynamic magnetic fields superimpose linearly.  This has been established through countless experiments.   It is a very important issue in signal propagation in: semiconductors, circuit boards, fiber optics, and radio.

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Offline MarkE

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2422 on: May 07, 2015, 04:45:57 PM »
MileHigh,
I am surprised, although I am sure that it must be misunderstanding, a misinterpreting from my side.

I always thought that fields of same direction repelled,  Magnetic fields from different sources can not exists in the same point space.
Sure the total sum of 2 or more fields in a encompassing space is the vector sum of all.  No unique field occupies the same point space of an other unique field, although this doesn't mean a field can not be neutralized if it originates from the ~ same point space. (as with a bifilar, with each filar having the same but counter current)
Magnetic fields exist in space, but they do not consist of some elements that individually consume space.  There is not a limit to the amount of flux that can be contained in say a liter.
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Back to the video with the 2 blobs on the holder, we assume the holder to be the coil and the blobs to be opposing pulsed fields.  I would guess they just repulse each other in a collision just like the jello blobs but their visual effect will be like 2 coil aura's colliding, not splattering in a radial direction  The passing of the field through each other, I do not see possible.
The fields each act as though the other is not there.  The effect on any object is the same as a single field that is the linear sum of the separate fields.
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Your footnote,
And yes, I do understand what you are saying to me. I think that I am grasping quite fine simple facts
What do I do ?  I have no intention to convert you,  I just go forward with an open mind and allow some madness from people I meet so long it is forwardly stimulating.

Cheers, Red (stripe)???

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2423 on: May 07, 2015, 05:48:45 PM »
Magnetic fields exist in space, but they do not consist of some elements that individually consume space.  There is not a limit to the amount of flux that can be contained in say a liter.The fields each act as though the other is not there.  The effect on any object is the same as a single field that is the linear sum of the separate fields.

Quote from: MileHigh today
The simple fact is that magnetic fields don't interact with each other at all.  They pass right through each other like the other magnetic field didn't even exist.  In more technical terms, the magnetic field is a vector with magnitude and direction.  When two separate magnetic fields share the same physical space, they simply undergo vector addition which yields a net magnetic field in the same physical space.
Chris' little video clip with the two blobs of jelly hitting each other is completely and utterly wrong.  The real representation of magnetic fields with respect to the flying blobs of jelly would be that the two blobs of jelly would pass right through each other as if the other blob did not even exist.

Mark,
I find your answers are not addressing the issue, the questions originated from MileHigh statements remain.

To simplify: 
2 bar magnets placed parallel and in proximity of each other, repel each other.  The reasons why they do so contradicts MH statement.

Fields that fly through each other  ?  provide some evidence
Fields that mix like color in white paint ?  provide some evidence
Fields that jockey for position in a repulsive interaction ?  Yes, ok
The vector algebraic summing of fields ?  yes, ok

Red


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2424 on: May 07, 2015, 06:05:44 PM »
Nobody questions the fact that there is a force between two opposing or attracting magnetic fields.  But the fact remains that the two magnetic fields do not interact with each other.  The force is taken for granted and therefore is intentionally omitted from the hypothetical  example.

There is no "two blobs of goop crashing into each other and deforming" when it comes to magnetic fields as shown in the clip.  That is the point.

Taking it one step further, how do you even make an analogy between a magnetic field and a flying pie of goop like in the clip?  You have to take lots of liberties to do that.  In fact there is no valid analogy there at all, it's actually ridiculous and makes no sense.  So the fact that I omitted the issue of the force and concentrated on the issue of the fields themselves is reasonable.

The "nut case" quotient needs to be reduced and the signal to noise ratio needs to go up when having these types of discussions.  This fetish to "want to believe in the alternative even if it makes no sense" is something that a lot of people need to get over.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2425 on: May 07, 2015, 06:11:37 PM »
As far as I am concerned, Dave45's 'experiments' with coils and freezing them in water are completely nuts.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2426 on: May 07, 2015, 06:15:34 PM »
Mark,
I find your answers are not addressing the issue, the questions originated from MileHigh statements remain.

To simplify: 
2 bar magnets placed parallel and in proximity of each other, repel each other.  The reasons why they do so contradicts MH statement.
No they do not.  Consider self inductance and BEMF in a single coil.
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Fields that fly through each other  ?  provide some evidence
Pick up any reference on signal propagation on printed circuit boards such as "High Speed Signal Propagation" by Dr. Howard Johnson.
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Fields that mix like color in white paint ?  provide some evidence
That is not my quote.  Fields superimpose linearly.  Try "Physics Volume II" by Halliday and Resnick.
Fields that jockey for position in a repulsive interaction ?  Yes, ok[/quote]That is not my quote and I have no idea what it is supposed to mean.  Fields from multiple sources are unaware of each other.  The sum of the fields act upon objects.
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The vector algebraic summing of fields ?  yes, ok
That is a restatement of linear superposition.
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2427 on: May 07, 2015, 06:26:22 PM »
Mark & MileHigh,

I think I need to explore this some more in my own space & time, thanks for the info pointers.

Red_Sunset

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2428 on: May 07, 2015, 06:38:38 PM »
As far as I am concerned, Dave45's 'experiments' with coils and freezing them in water are completely nuts.
ROFLMAO
Yea visual evidence cant be trusted.
You would argue blacks white.
lol

Hey MH the moon is only an illusion dont look out at night, its not real.
lol

Dave45

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2429 on: May 07, 2015, 06:40:35 PM »
ROFLMAO

Hey MH the moon is only an illusion dont look out at night, its not real.
lol
Its true I seen it on youtube.
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