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Offline MarkE

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #810 on: February 04, 2015, 12:47:27 AM »
Uh-oh. People at OUR have been doing the unforgivable: asking for EMJ's evidence for his claims. All is not well in OUR-land:Next stop.... energeticforum?
Excitable poster they all said.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #811 on: February 04, 2015, 12:52:29 AM »
@ALL - This is totally fraudulent Crap!

AC Coupling for AC Waves is not the wrong way to measure AC Waves!

If one has eliminated the possibilities of DC Offset then there is absolutely nothing wrong with measuring AC Waves with AC Coupling!!!

This is TinselKoala Bullshit Piffle that anyone can call Tektronix and ask them!

I mean seriously! Why on Earth would Oscilloscopes have AC Coupling for!

This is a TOTAL Copout and utter Piffle!

if there is an error the margin is very small and for true AC Wave its absolutely negligible! Especially when you're getting 160+ % output!

Do your own Homework and call Tektronix! See for your self! Don't believe what some Villain tells you!

Once again, this is not true. Eliminating raw DC offset is only ONE of the effects of using AC-coupled channels. Another is that the _average value_ of a complex signal is moved down or up to the channel's zero baseline. As has been explained to you several times, including in information from National Instruments AND TEKTRONIX. See the PDF linked below, page 19 specifically.

http://circuitslab.case.edu/manuals/Oscilloscope_Fundamentals_-_Tektronix.pdf

Yes, EMJ, insulting poor researcher. DO YOUR OWN HOMEWORK.

By "true AC wave" if you mean a strictly pure sinusoidal waveform with zero DC offset, then you are correct, there will be no difference in the trace display. But how will you know this unless you compare the traces with both DC and AC coupling? Then after the comparison you should of course switch back to DC coupling as the default measurement mode so you do not miss the real action.


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #812 on: February 04, 2015, 01:04:34 AM »
Ok, so you too can melt copper.

Did you not notice that the (completely straight DC ) input power to the driver board went way down when the secondary output was shorted?
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But.... back to the point.
You did not use bucking coils  because they can't work can they? The output will be nil won't it?
Do you understand the significance of the "dots" that are usually shown on diagrams of multiple coil windings to indicate phase, direction or polarity of the windings?
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So let's try again........


Now we have scope shots....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGSz_a3tTrk

Ah... I see. When woopy does it, it's magical OU. When I do it... it's no big deal. Where have I seen that kind of argument before, I wonder.

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Offline John.K1

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #813 on: February 04, 2015, 01:14:36 AM »
TK, your transmitting energy experiment remindS me some video from distinti "antena paradox"emV016: The Antenna Paradox: http://youtu.be/bD4guW5NFs8
I am not sure if I right understund what he says.Maybe it will give  better sense to you.

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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #814 on: February 04, 2015, 01:35:10 AM »
I said,
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On the matter of Bill Alek's device and the measurement thereof:

We have already demonstrated that Alek uses AC-coupled channels on his oscilloscopes for his measurements, and that small errors in phase determination can make a large difference in his results.

Below I attach the Data Sheet for the Hall Effect current sensor system that Alek uses, the Black Box that is clearly visible in the video of the demonstration he presented last year to Sterling Allan.

I think the Data Sheet pretty much tells the story. The system needs a carefully regulated DC power supply, it needs to be carefully calibrated, it has a time delay, and it produces its output in the form of a DC voltage that is referenced to the midpoint of the supply voltage.

@ALL - This is totally fraudulent Crap!

AC Coupling for AC Waves is not the wrong way to measure AC Waves!

If one has eliminated the possibilities of DC Offset then there is absolutely nothing wrong with measuring AC Waves with AC Coupling!!!

This is TinselKoala Bullshit Piffle that anyone can call Tektronix and ask them!

I mean seriously! Why on Earth would Oscilloscopes have AC Coupling for!

This is a TOTAL Copout and utter Piffle!

if there is an error the margin is very small and for true AC Wave its absolutely negligible! Especially when you're getting 160+ % output!

Do your own Homework and call Tektronix! See for your self! Don't believe what some Villain tells you!

What part of the DATA SHEET FOR ALEK's CURRENT SENSE SYSTEM is "totally fraudulent crap"?

Are you saying that Honeywell are lying about the operational parameters of the sensor that Alek is using? Are you saying that the images I show from Alek's video are somehow faked? Did I photoshop in the model number of the Honeywell Hall-effect sensor onto his "black box"?

The data sheet says it has a DC output referenced to the midpoint of the regulated DC supply voltage. Its output will vary from 0 volts to +Vcc and never goes "negative" thus it inevitably produces an "AC" signal that is offset from O volts by 1/2(Vcc). It has up to 3 microseconds response delay. There is no justification whatsoever in using an "AC coupled" scope channel on the output of this sensor, Uncalibrated, and without compensation for the delay it introduces!

Bullshit piffle, totally fraudulent crap, copout from a villain? Get real, Chris, your slip is showing. You cannot refute me, I provide references for all I've said, and so you descend Yet Again into your playground pottymouth insults. It would be funny if it wasn't so pitiful. Just think... you have wasted sixteen years of your life chasing a ghost, nothing more than bad measurements caused by your lack of understanding your own equipment and your own devices. That is pitiful. Your arrogance and "holier-than-thou" messianic save-the-ignorant-idiotic-world attitude has prevented you from seeing what is right in front of you: ordinary behaviour from ordinary coils.

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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #815 on: February 04, 2015, 02:00:20 AM »
TK, your transmitting energy experiment remindS me some video from distinti "antena paradox"emV016: The Antenna Paradox: http://youtu.be/bD4guW5NFs8
I am not sure if I right understund what he says.Maybe it will give  better sense to you.
He goes badly "off the rails" at about 3:56 and the rest is pretty much a trainwreck from there on. Nice cat though.

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« Reply #816 on: February 04, 2015, 02:01:17 AM »
Excitable poster they all said.

Warren Zevon?

Bill

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« Reply #817 on: February 04, 2015, 02:03:48 AM »
I predicted that Chris would not last long at OUR and, I was correct it seems.  (No great feat in making that prediction)

I would have thought that .99 would have tossed him out, but maybe Chris left just prior to that happening?  If, indeed he goes to EF, I predict he will last all of 3 days over there.  If Sterling were not facing jail time, he would have interviewed Chris by now, ha ha.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #818 on: February 04, 2015, 02:11:59 AM »
But he left community with his REAL (sic!) idea and some EMPTY promises.

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« Reply #819 on: February 04, 2015, 02:17:52 AM »
And all he needed to do was to provide a set of measurements that supported his COP 1.7 OU claim, along with exact specifications of the system and setup that produced the measurements. That's all anybody asked of him, really, here or there. That, and a little bit of respectful attitude when his errors are pointed out and corrected.
That could have been done in a single post with an afternoon's work. Instead he chose to insult, whine and wail, to defend completely indefensible points like the coupling issue, and flee in a huff when the challenges got tough. When the -most experienced- members at OUR began to challenge him to produce evidence, he started insulting _them_!

 

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #820 on: February 04, 2015, 02:22:13 AM »

Did you not notice that the (completely straight DC ) input power to the driver board went way down when the secondary output was shorted?Do you understand the significance of the "dots" that are usually shown on diagrams of multiple coil windings to indicate phase, direction or polarity of the windings?
Ah... I see. When woopy does it, it's magical OU. When I do it... it's no big deal. Where have I seen that kind of argument before, I wonder.


Yes, I bow down to your superior knowledge.


Just to clarify my lack of understanding could you let me know which dot represents CW winding and which dot represents CCW winding.
I appreciate your input.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #821 on: February 04, 2015, 02:41:12 AM »

Yes, I bow down to your superior knowledge.


Just to clarify my lack of understanding could you let me know which dot represents CW winding and which dot represents CCW winding.
I appreciate your input.

I'm not specialized in this field, but in my opinion it matters only when in tandem: diagrams show clearly such case (mirrored winds). It does not matter when it's single.

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« Reply #822 on: February 04, 2015, 03:32:41 AM »
Bill - I call people like you, A Jelly Fish - Because you float up to people and stick to them with tentacles that are just out right annoying!

Grow a spine bill! Get a Mind that you can use, instead of being the follower that you display yourself to be! You will be so much better off for it!

My mind works just fine...thanks for asking.  I can admit when I am wrong, and have made a mistake.  This is what has allowed me to actually learn a lot of interesting skills over my life.  I can tell right away if someone knows more than I do about a subject, and when they do, I listen...and LEARN!

You Sir, are not knowledgeable enough to shine TK's, MileHigh's or MarkE's shoes much less try to school them on a subject that, as is obvious to all concerned, they know much more about than you do Sir.  Now you are arguing with Darren? (.99)  That fellow has forgotten more about electronics than you will ever learn in your lifetime.  Perhaps you should try bamboozling some 2nd grade science students instead?

I was not sure at first if you knew more than I...but...you made this pretty clear when you "took apart" your O.U. device and can not rebuild it because you "threw the parts away."  Right there, I realized I knew one hell of a lot more than you.  Then, you tried to school MH about winding coils CW or CCW as if it mattered.

You branded yourself an amateur right from the start.  Your childish reactions to those that obviously know more than you...who are actually trying to help you...pretty much says it all.

So, you call me a jelleyfish?  Funny, because it is you that have stung yourself Sir.

Change your attitude and you might actually do something worthwhile in this life.  You sure as hell ain't doing it now.

Bill

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #823 on: February 04, 2015, 03:48:47 AM »

Did you not notice that the (completely straight DC ) input power to the driver board went way down when the secondary output was shorted?Do you understand the significance of the "dots" that are usually shown on diagrams of multiple coil windings to indicate phase, direction or polarity of the windings?
Ah... I see. When woopy does it, it's magical OU. When I do it... it's no big deal. Where have I seen that kind of argument before, I wonder.

@TinselKoala,

Nowhere in any of your "Toroid Joule Thief" schematics do I see 4 mosfets like Woopyjumps. Connected (Emitter to Base); with one resistor between the pairs, would make for a very powerful, high switching speed, current amplifier. Perhaps this "Gang of Mosfets" has somthing to do with Woopyjump's apparent COP>1= 58.3?

I'm assuming Woppyjump's using two paired "Darlington Configurations" like the one pictured below:

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #824 on: February 04, 2015, 06:32:47 AM »

Yes, I bow down to your superior knowledge.


Just to clarify my lack of understanding could you let me know which dot represents CW winding and which dot represents CCW winding.
I appreciate your input.

The dots indicate not Cw/Ccw but rather current direction, or phase. Which is equivalent to winding direction, as even EMJ has been telling people.
That is why the DPDT switch works. If two coils are wound in the same direction, but the polarity of one is flipped by use of the DPDT switch, it switches from aiding to bucking. If the two coils are wound in opposite direction, the DPDT switch on one of them switches from bucking to aiding, in both cases because the current is reversed through one of the coils by the switch. This is the same thing as switching one of the dots on a coupled inductor diagram from top to bottom, or vice versa.
Google "inductor schematic dot convention".

 

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