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Pirate88179

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #765 on: February 03, 2015, 03:25:12 AM »
I thought it might be helpful to copy the 3-D schematic over: Looks ike a "Joule Ringer".

To be more specific, it looks like an early MK1 joule thief or even a Jeanna circuit JT.  What is "new" about this?

Bill

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #766 on: February 03, 2015, 03:32:29 AM »
If you proved me wrong then Big Ben stops chiming.  Feel free to make your case.


Well Big Ben's just missed a beat.


This is in Ukrainian, but with English subtitles.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGzR0NJ4vRE

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #767 on: February 03, 2015, 03:39:32 AM »
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I had to have a laugh, goodness its funny!

How many "Dummies" over at ou.com are struggling with this! All Poking Sticks! He said.... Hahaha

No wonder I left them to their misery's! I have never, in my life, met such a bunch of cry babies! Especially when many hundreds of other devices use exactly the same principals! I wonder if they can get past their frustrations and Finger pointing and make a device work

Perhaps they should replicate Bill Alek's Device and see if they can get the same measurements he demonstrated several tens of times witnessed by EE's and Engineers, that was apparently a "Measurement Error"? Or Akula0083's devices that use the same technology that also run themselves, or maybe they should stop.... Think about Why its not working, deduce it down to the most basic form and see what's going on!

One must Understand First before these devices will go OU, I have said a hundred times, its not just build and Go! Just look at the trouble Itsu has experienced, he is highly skilled with Electronics and Building Devices.

I will make an editorial comment if I may.

In the pantheon of great American film there are many classics.  And I realize that this forum is an international community and many of our friends may not be as aware of American cinema as others are because of where they grew up in the world.

One classic movie that everyone should see in their life is '12 Angry Men.'

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050083/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Another movie that is less of a mainstream classic, but very apropos and for any hard-core film buff would be considered a classic is 'Elmer Gantry.'

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053793/?ref_=nv_sr_1

There are very important issues to think about in these two movies and they apply directly to the free energy scene.  And they are truly great movies.

MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #768 on: February 03, 2015, 03:40:35 AM »
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We also have to keep in mind, that there is no "negative proof". One can not proof that some idea does NOT work, it is only possible to show that it INDEED works.

The "inventor" can always say that I did something wrong. But then he should correct my error in an understandable and precise way and not by posing riddles or allegory.

While I might disagree slightly with the first part.... in principle this statement goes to the "nut" of the matter. A claimant MUST provide sufficient detail, with sufficient precision and accuracy, for others to replicate the effects that are claimed to be OU! This means precise details of construction, operation, testing and measurements! Sometimes it even means that the claimant has to present the _actual apparatus_ for independent testing.

And this is why I often make the point that the only thing preventing proper evaluation of claims like EMJ's, and others, is the _attitude of the claimant_. If the claimant is non-cooperative, then there is little we can do at our remote locations, except fiddle around blowing out components, connecting things in different ways, even failing good equipment by connecting it to bogus circuitry whose operating parameters are left as a mystery for us to decode. 

Don't worry though. In this case it has already become clear that the claimant _cannot_ produce his own evidence for any OU or even unusual behaviour from his system... he's hoping someone else can do it for him, based on his shadowy "theory" which does not even rise to the level of a coherent conjecture.

Those of us who are proceeding with builds and experimentation are just doing it for the lulz, evidently.


Let me offer a simple suggestion. Before you go out and buy a dedicated audio amplifier, or heaven forbid, you try this "stuff" with your good stereo system, build up the four-dollar push-pull circuit I have posted several times. Save yourself some money, and _if_ you should blow something with that circuit, it will only be a 75 cent transistor or a 50 cent op-amp chip. Plus you just may learn something useful in the process. The circuit is limited to 15V p-p because of the op-amp. If you need to put more than 1A at 15v p-p, you can just sub in some different transistors by the painful and complicated process of _unplugging the old ones and plugging in the new ones_.

The circuit works just fine from DC to much higher frequencies than any audio amplifier will reach, with sine or square wave input from your signal source.
The images below show, on the left oscilloscope, the _raw signal from the FG_, by direct patchcord connection from the FG's output in parallel to the signal supplied to the op-amp Pin3 input of the circuit. The right oscilloscope shows the output of the push-pull circuit as voltage drop across a 4.7 ohm 1 percent precision noninductive resistor in series with the primary coil of my testbed, with the "partnered" coils set in bucking mode by the DPDT switch.  Both scopes are set at 1v/div (RH scope direct no attenuation, LH scope using 10x atten probe). The FG is set to produce a sine or square wave at 40 kHz. The power supply is providing -7.5V - 0 - +7.5V to the push-pull board, so there is quite a bit of "headroom" left, that is by turning up the FG output you will get proportionally more output to the coil, of course.



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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #769 on: February 03, 2015, 03:52:05 AM »

Well Big Ben's just missed a beat.


This is in Ukrainian, but with English subtitles.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGzR0NJ4vRE

That's pretty funny. The presenter doesn't even understand what he's presenting!
Here's the translation, from the Description of the video:
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The translation from Ukrainian into English was carried out by the translator of the Translation Agency ''Aelita'' Iryna Yarosh.     1. Today, on the 29th of June of 2014, I will tell you how to build a transformer of "free energy" and I am going to test a transformer model.
2. In order to compensate the influence of the secondary winding on the primary winding of a transformer, inductance of the secondary winding is necessary to be minimal.
3. You can reduce inductance of the secondary winding by connecting several windings with subtractive polarity.
4. Consequently, total inductance of the secondary winding will be less than inductance of separate windings that comprise the secondary winding of a transformer.
5. The larger quantity of separate windings are connected in a parallel connection, the better result we receive -- reduction of inductance of the secondary winding of a transformer.
6. The sheet illustrates electric scheme of transformer connection as well as measuring instruments.
7. A transformer consists of primary winding (wire of white colour).
8. Secondary winding consists of two coils connected in series and parallel connection.
9. Light bulb will serve as a load of the secondary winding.
10. Let us switch on power supply and observe the figures of measuring instruments during the work of the transformer without the load.
11. Let us connect light bulb to the secondary winding of the transformer.
12. Now we observe the reduction of current in the primary winding of the transformer.
13. In ordinary transformers current in the primary winding is increasing if the secondary winding is loaded.

Don't you remember the question from days ago about what happens to the inductance of the "primary" winding when the secondary is shorted, with the coupled toroids?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #770 on: February 03, 2015, 03:54:44 AM »
Was just looking through the Utkin paper.  This pic below caught my eye.

There may be a need for a 3rd coil to get a desired effect.  There may be nothing special about just 2 opposing coils alone.

Mags

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #771 on: February 03, 2015, 03:58:05 AM »
Zero volts AC across the output coils you say?

What if I proved you wrong.

I am still waiting for you to prove me wrong.   Linking to a Joe Blow video proves nothing.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #772 on: February 03, 2015, 04:00:50 AM »
I am still waiting for you to prove me wrong.   Linking to a Joe Blow video proves nothing.
Especially when the video doesn't even support the claim!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #773 on: February 03, 2015, 04:05:48 AM »
While I might disagree slightly with the first part.... in principle this statement goes to the "nut" of the matter. A claimant MUST provide sufficient detail, with sufficient precision and accuracy, for others to replicate the effects that are claimed to be OU! This means precise details of construction, operation, testing and measurements! Sometimes it even means that the claimant has to present the _actual apparatus_ for independent testing.

And this is why I often make the point that the only thing preventing proper evaluation of claims like EMJ's, and others, is the _attitude of the claimant_. If the claimant is non-cooperative, then there is little we can do at our remote locations, except fiddle around blowing out components, connecting things in different ways, even failing good equipment by connecting it to bogus circuitry whose operating parameters are left as a mystery for us to decode. 

Don't worry though. In this case it has already become clear that the claimant _cannot_ produce his own evidence for any OU or even unusual behaviour from his system... he's hoping someone else can do it for him, based on his shadowy "theory" which does not even rise to the level of a coherent conjecture.

Those of us who are proceeding with builds and experimentation are just doing it for the lulz, evidently.


Let me offer a simple suggestion. Before you go out and buy a dedicated audio amplifier, or heaven forbid, you try this "stuff" with your good stereo system, build up the four-dollar push-pull circuit I have posted several times. Save yourself some money, and _if_ you should blow something with that circuit, it will only be a 75 cent transistor or a 50 cent op-amp chip. Plus you just may learn something useful in the process. The circuit is limited to 15V p-p because of the op-amp. If you need to put more than 1A at 15v p-p, you can just sub in some different transistors by the painful and complicated process of _unplugging the old ones and plugging in the new ones_.

The circuit works just fine from DC to much higher frequencies than any audio amplifier will reach, with sine or square wave input from your signal source.
The images below show, on the left oscilloscope, the _raw signal from the FG_, by direct patchcord connection from the FG's output in parallel to the signal supplied to the op-amp Pin3 input of the circuit. The right oscilloscope shows the output of the push-pull circuit as voltage drop across a 4.7 ohm 1 percent precision noninductive resistor in series with the primary coil of my testbed, with the "partnered" coils set in bucking mode by the DPDT switch.  Both scopes are set at 1v/div (RH scope direct no attenuation, LH scope using 10x atten probe). The FG is set to produce a sine or square wave at 40 kHz. The power supply is providing -7.5V - 0 - +7.5V to the push-pull board, so there is quite a bit of "headroom" left, that is by turning up the FG output you will get proportionally more output to the coil, of course.

I think this also means that the claimant should probably not disassemble the "working" device and throw it away.  Once I saw this, I knew Chris was full of crap.  Not that I didn't know earlier but...that right there says it all to me.

We have seen this many times before...sadly. 

"I got 1.7% O.U.!!!"

 Can we see your device? 

"No, sorry, once it worked, I took it apart and threw it away."

To his credit..at least he didn't say that the MIB broke into his home and took the device.  Not yet anyway.

Bill

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #774 on: February 03, 2015, 04:18:33 AM »
Exactly.

As I've said before, who takes apart a "working" OU device that's made from a few dollars worth of commercial off the shelf components?

Only someone who doesn't want it to be properly tested for some reason.

In fact the claimant should be doing what LTseung did when he thought he had the OU JT circuit: Make up a bunch of them, confirm they work as you think, then send them out for free to everybody you can think of, so that they can be independently tested!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #775 on: February 03, 2015, 06:10:53 AM »
Exactly.

As I've said before, who takes apart a "working" OU device that's made from a few dollars worth of commercial off the shelf components?

Only someone who doesn't want it to be properly tested for some reason.

In fact the claimant should be doing what LTseung did when he thought he had the OU JT circuit: Make up a bunch of them, confirm they work as you think, then send them out for free to everybody you can think of, so that they can be independently tested!

TK youre a Fucking Idiot, no idea and don't listen or pay attention! Because YOU Think YOU know better! Youre a FUCKING IDIOT!!!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #776 on: February 03, 2015, 06:17:30 AM »
TK youre a Fucking Idiot, no idea and don't listen or pay attention! Because YOU Think YOU know better! Youre a FUCKING IDIOT!!!

No, I'm not.

You cannot refute me, so as usual in these matters you descend into pottymouth insults that would sound silly coming from an eight-year-old.

Where are your measurements that support your claims? Seventy pages of discussion and you still have not provided them. Nobody who has worked on your "stuff" has provided credible evidence, either. It's time to call this as we see it: You are a false claimant, another UFOpolitics, pretending to "teach" what you do not understand yourself, trying to get other people to do for you what YOU CANNOT DO.

And I certainly do know better than you do, mister "AC coupled since measuring AC", mister "everybody knows that's a decoupling capacitor".

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #777 on: February 03, 2015, 06:20:23 AM »
No, I'm not.

You cannot refute me, so as usual in these matters you descend into pottymouth insults that would sound silly coming from an eight-year-old.

Where are your measurements that support your claims? Seventy pages of discussion and you still have not provided them. Nobody who has worked on your "stuff" has provided credible evidence, either. It's time to call this as we see it: You are a false claimant, another UFOpolitics, pretending to "teach" what you do not understand yourself, trying to get other people to do for you what YOU CANNOT DO.

Many THOUSANDS of devices and people that built them, all through the last 100 + Years have refuted you pal!

You're the Dumbest smart person I have ever met in my entire life!

You've been refuted Pal many times!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #778 on: February 03, 2015, 06:23:46 AM »
TK youre a Fucking Idiot, no idea and don't listen or pay attention! Because YOU Think YOU know better! Youre a FUCKING IDIOT!!!

EMJunkie,

 if you think you know better, show it to us  :P

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #779 on: February 03, 2015, 06:26:19 AM »
Many THOUSANDS of devices and people that built them, all through the last 100 + Years have refuted you pal!

You're the Dumbest smart person I have ever met in my entire life!

You've been refuted Pal many times!

Wrong again. You cannot point to a single valid "free energy" or overunity device at all. You yourself are still getting your electricity from conventional sources.

And here's how you respond to your kind hosts:
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I am not going to shut your thread down unless ultimately either noone can replicate your results, or if they can not and you still choose not to reveal substantiating evidence to support your claim.

BEC shouldn't it be BVF - Go stick your Pinky in your Brownie Poynty
 
 
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Hypocrite! False Claimant! Adherent to the Theoria Apophasis school of rhetoric!

Nobody is taking you seriously any more, Chris. You are even asking .99 to shut you down because you can't take the critical analysis and YOU CANNOT PROVIDE EVIDENCE OF YOUR CLAIMS.