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Cap-Z-ro

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #570 on: January 30, 2015, 02:29:08 AM »
I had no idea these were timed events.......?

Not all of us get paid to sit by the keyboard.

Regards...


Pirate88179

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #571 on: January 30, 2015, 03:22:51 AM »
Just ignore Crap-Z-ro.  It is much easier.

Too bad I still have to see his crap when someone quotes him.  I really like how he can see a Christmas tree and think it is some sort of anal plug  toy.  He has proved many times he has some weird fascination with the male ass.  I had asked him many times before to leave his sexual preferences out of his posts but...I do not think he can control himself.

Now he claims he was abused in school.  Really?  I wonder why?  If he was as big of an asshole then as he is now...it is a wonder he didn't get the shit beat out of him on a daily basis.  I have no sympathy for him.  Now he claims he was "hacked".  I wonder why?  He turns me into Stefan, and then complains when I suggest he be moderated...this man has obvious problems that we can not solve here so...Ignore works well.

Just please stop quoting his sexual postings so I do not have to see them.  I am done with this miserable excuse for a human being.

Thanks,

Bill

PS  No doubt this sick individual will respond with many uses of the word "ASS" and make sexual references and...he will call at least one more person here a paid shill.  Oh, I forgot, he will also call someone who contributes a lot to this site a troll.

Cap-Z-ro

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #572 on: January 30, 2015, 04:26:45 AM »
Just ignore Crap-Z-ro.  It is much easier.

Yeah, ignore me...just like this arse kisser is always doing, but forgets himself long enough for moronic posts about me.

Idiot.


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Too bad I still have to see his crap when someone quotes him.  I really like how he can see a Christmas tree and think it is some sort of anal plug  toy.

But plug ???  Hmmm, who mentioned butt plug ?

Oh yeah, he did...another Freudian slip.

He may even have one inserted right now...and probably sleeps with it  in also.


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He has proved many times he has some weird fascination with the male ass.  I had asked him many times before to leave his sexual preferences out of his posts but...I do not think he can control himself.

A post review wood reveal its in reality the butt pirate who is all about the anal intercourse...like his idol Ted Haggart, the closet homosexual.

Projecting your problems on others is the most basic of all the psychological conditions...after all he is a very basic weirdo.


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Now he claims he was abused in school.  Really?

Once again the butt pirate is projecting...nobody mentioned school but the arse kisser.   

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If he was as big of an asshole then as he is now...it is a wonder he didn't get the shit beat out of him on a daily basis.

More arse kisser projecting.
 

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Now he claims he was "hacked".  I wonder why?

Hacked ???

Who but the arse kisser mentioned hacking ?

This loon is really delusional. 


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He turns me into Stefan,...

Whatever that means ???

Anybody here familiar with speak arse kisser speak ?


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...and then complains when I suggest he be moderated...

Once again, more delusional arse kisser ranting.

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...this man has obvious problems that we can not solve here so...[.quote]

Ooopsy, another Freudian slip.
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Ignore works well.

How wood the arse kisser know that...he only pretends he figured out how it works.


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Just please stop quoting his sexual postings so I do not have to see them.

Yeah you guys, stop it...they keep making his butt plug vibrate and his teeth chatter.


quote]I am done with this miserable excuse for a human being.

Thats a lie !  I never shoved anything up the arse kissers butt.


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Thanks,

Bill

...ace arse kisser to the trolls.



This is where my entertainment comes in.

Morons always provide the best straight lines.

Regards...



PS  No doubt this sick individual will respond with many uses of the word "ASS"

...and make sexual references

...he will call at least one more person here a paid shill.  Oh, I forgot, he will also call someone who contributes a lot to this site a troll.

Pirate88179

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #573 on: January 30, 2015, 04:42:00 AM »
Oh, just in case Crap-Z-ro denies that he turned me into Stefan for some imagined threat.....

Well, you can all read for yourselves.  I just know that he will try to deny what he has done.

Bill

PS  I have screenshots of all of his BS from before I added him to IGNORE.

Cap-Z-ro

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #574 on: January 30, 2015, 04:57:09 AM »
Yeah, the arse kisser really has me ignore alright.

Has he turned into Stefan yet, I cant tell...or should he be picked a little while longer ?

Stefan can answer whether i was hacked or not.

We established it wasn't the arse kisser, as he has to have his buddy Ted Haggart turn on his computer for him.

In return for the favor, the butt pirate turns on Haggart by wearing a teddy and twerking while wearing his butt plug.

Regards...



Void

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #575 on: January 30, 2015, 05:04:55 AM »
Anybody that has been following this thread knows that I have already covered this.  If the bucking coils are perfectly matched, the voltage across them will be zero.  The the attached scope capture shows where they are not a perfect match, but very close.  If one coil is at +5.0 volts, and the other coil is at +5.1 volts, then the voltage across the two coils is 0.1 volts.

Hi MileHigh. I have done a fair bit of experimenting with various coils wound in opposing orientation
and it is not quite so straight forward. Frequency of operation is also a factor here as well.
I have seen cases where for most frequencies what you say is correct, but at certain frequencies
for some reason you can measure a large imbalance between the two terminal voltages. Also
something else that some people may be overlooking is that when you connect a scope probe
across those terminals such that the probe ground clip is on one terminal and the probe tip is on the
other terminal, the scope probe is unbalanced and can unbalance the balanced coil output terminals,
causing you to measure a large voltage difference across the two terminals. As soon as you remove
the scope probe the voltage across say a resistor attached to the two terminals will drop back close to zero. ;)
This is because the output terminals of the opposing windings are balanced until you connect something
which is unbalanced like a scope probe, or if you connect an Earth ground connection to one of the terminals.
Doing this unbalances the overall coil configuration and it starts to work differently. Anyone who has actually done
some experimentation with this sort of configuration should be aware of this however. Adding an Earth ground
or scope probe ground won't always unbalance such a configuration, as it also seems to depend on the exact
overall winding configuration and coil placement. etc., and the frequency you are running at.

The analysis of these sort of circuits is really not so straight forward at all when you consider all the different possible
winding variations and coil placement and frequency of operation, etc. Also, another important factor in these
configurations is of course the type of ferrite material that as being used as a core, if a person is using a ferrite core. Different
ferrite materials can produce some different and interesting results at certain frequencies as well. It is easy to dismiss things
outright, but clearly there are a lot of variables in this sort of configuration and various interesting effects can certainly sometimes
be observed. Whether certain configurations can really lead to over unity or not I can't say, but a person just never knows
unless they at least try and put in some real effort. Even then you could still overlook something, especially if a person already has 
their mind made up that over unity is not possible.  ;)

All the best...


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #576 on: January 30, 2015, 05:18:43 AM »
This is a little off-topic but maybe the coprophiles should consider to discuss their fetish in a more appropriate place.
-Coprophilia is off-topic.
-Could demonstrably false claims of overunity also considered off-topic?

Perhaps Stefan should add a new sub-forum for discussing coprophilia.

MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #577 on: January 30, 2015, 06:38:30 AM »
Void:

Sorry but your response to my posting is wrong on many levels.  It's understood that I am talking about normal frequency ranges.  Almost every circuit will start to exhibit phase shift at higher frequencies because of capacitive and inductive effects.  As far as the alleged imbalance goes when you connect a probe across the pair of bucking coils, that makes no sense.  The bucking coils are isolated from the primary coil and that should not happen.  If you do see it happen and you _know_ it's not supposed to happen then you need to investigate and find out why.  However, it will not be because of some "unique or unknown" property of bucking coils themselves.  The important message here is you do not just blindly accept something that should not be happening and instead call it an "unusual property" of bucking coils.  The argument about "all possible variations and combinations, etc" is also not a valid argument.  You are supposed to know how a transformer works, regular or bucking, and know what to do and where to go in your testing.  If you followed your logic then you simply can never test a circuit completely because there are essentially infinite variations to test.  Different ferrite materials have different properties and they all will steal some of your source energy away in the form of heat and vibration and everyone should know this.  There will never be a "magic" ferrite to use for a bucking coil transformer.  If you are going to do full exhaustive testing, the main line of investigation would be to do a frequency sweep for every test procedure and record the response.  This all a standard and anyone that knows electronics knows  this.

In summary, sure do exhaustive testing if you want.  That's all fine.  But there is no hunting for a needle in a haystack looking for over unity with what is really and truly nothing more than a transformer.  I sure if you looked around for spec sheets, in some of them there will be between 20 and 30 plots for all of the relevant parameters and most of them will have one dimension being the frequency axis.

Now I realize that "looking for a needle in a haystack" would be considered a valid thing to do on the forums.  I'm sure that Chris will use this line of reasoning because he is already there.  But in the end, there is going to have to be closure on this issue and there is only so many haystacks you can look through before you have to call the tests off and simply share your data with your peers.

MileHigh

Void

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #578 on: January 30, 2015, 08:41:45 AM »
Milehigh. There are no restrictions on what frequencies a person can test with. People are looking for the unusual here.
I am pointing out that characteristics of any sort of transformers can change at different frequencies
as well as with positioning of the primary coil with respect to the two secondary coils on a ferrite rod, type
of ferrite, etc. I also didn't say ground or a scope probe unbalancing a transformer is a property of bucking coils.
The same unbalancing can occur with regular transformer arrangements as well. ;)

If you use any sort of transformer in a typical way you should get typical results, that is to be expected.
Clearly though, what people are looking for here are not usual results, so doing unconventional things
and looking for unexpected results and unusual effects that normally might be avoided are what people
are often doing.  For example, deliberately switching a ferrite core coil in and out of saturation
to see if you can get anything useful, where normally you would instead take steps to avoid saturation.
Again, it is obvious that if you do everything as normal you should get normal and expected results, but that is of
course not what people are interested in when looking for OU. People looking for unusual effects is for certain
nothing for anyone to get into a twist about. Most people looking into this stuff are doing it as a hobby.
They just like messing around with such things. Everybody has different backgrounds and different levels of experience.
Sometimes people are right about things they claim or assume, and sometimes they are wrong. It happens every day
all over this world in regards to most anything. It is certainly nothing to have fits about. If I go through a day where I
didn't make a mistake or say something wrong, then I am have having a pretty good day. Relax man. :)
The world is not going to end because of some hobby experimenting or because someone made a
claim about some experiment they conducted which might be wrong.

All the best...


TinselKoala

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #579 on: January 30, 2015, 09:29:03 AM »
Testbed with Secret of DPDT and op-amp based push-pull power transistor driver: 

TinselKoala

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #580 on: January 30, 2015, 09:36:10 AM »
I have not done any real testing yet, just enough to confirm that the board works properly. I took out one of the two core spacers to narrow the gap a bit and this gives me about 20 percent higher inductance in "aiding" mode than before. The "bucking" mode inductance went down slightly as well.  The apparatus makes interesting waveforms, whines and chatters and buzzes the core and all of that. The transistors do get warm so I am only running it for short periods.  I've been using -7.5 - 0 - +7.5 volts in from the power supply, and using the F43 function generator to drive it.

All I can say at this point is that it behaves pretty much as expected, as long as the transistors don't saturate from being overdriven. I have seen a few weird things but as I said I have really only tested it enough to see that the push-pull driver circuit is working properly.

I am still waiting for someone to show me some measurements that could be interpreted as "OU" so that I can duplicate those.

minnie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #581 on: January 30, 2015, 11:49:18 AM »



   TinselKoala,
              that looks something like !!!
    Interesting to see your results when they come, good work.
             John.

ramset

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #582 on: January 30, 2015, 12:22:57 PM »
who made the page so big..?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #583 on: January 30, 2015, 12:34:28 PM »
who made the page so big..?

He did it !

MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #584 on: January 30, 2015, 12:49:47 PM »
Void:

Of course there is no restriction on what frequencies you can test at.  But in the the real world you know that as the frequency sweeps higher and higher the response from the circuit gets lower and lower because of inductive effects taking over.  You can see it in Itsu's clips right now.  Eventually no matter what your excitation waveform the output becomes a sine wave of much smaller amplitude.  You say that you did a lot of bench work so you must have observed this many times.  I have observed it hundreds and hundreds of times myself.  Any bucking coils configuration will do the same thing as per Itsu's videos.  All circuits eventually act like low-pass filters and so will all of the replications.

People can try whatever unusual excitation they want, it will not change the fundamental property of what they are testing.  Note that Chris did not specify any unusual excitation, but he hasn't really defined anything to any precise degree.  I can see you advocating for "try anything, look for the unusual" but in the real world most people are going to try sine or square wave excitation and measure power out vs. power in.  They can try all they want, but the bucking coils transformer will do exactly what it is supposed to do, no more no less.  Ultimately, it's just going to act like an under unity low-pass filter just like any other transformer.

MileHigh