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MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #540 on: January 29, 2015, 07:46:39 PM »
The problem is that you are disruptor and the distractor on this thread and pretty much on this web site.  And your totalitarian fantasies are almost as distasteful as your metaphors.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #541 on: January 29, 2015, 07:47:47 PM »
So, another apparent "newbie" enters the scene to stir the pot again (another MH moniker suspected)...troll alert goes off.

Is number of posts relevant somehow to a sincere question or request ?
Please review my posting history.


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... arse ...

Again ?   Come on man, have some respect for yourself.


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Then...there would be unfettered fruitful dialogue on here.

I think I covered that at the beginning of my post referring to the fruitful dialog (yours excepted) going on recently regarding replications, testing, measurements etc.


You seem to have it ASS backwards (pun intended)

TinselKoala

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #542 on: January 29, 2015, 08:09:32 PM »
Cap-z-ro

The subject line of this thread is "Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy"

You may not have noticed, but the last half dozen or so pages in this thread have been quite refreshing.
They contain discussions of theory, testing and measurments regarding - wait for it - "Partnered Output Coils"
Mostly by the people you are calling trolls.



Your last four contributions contain the following excerpts :

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Could you please tone back the obsession with the human posterior.

I would like my son to read this forum to understand one of my areas of interest.
Unfortunately at the moment it is littered with the examples of your strange addiction above.

He is too young to understand sexual preferences such as yours.

You can safely ignore Captain Nothing, he has never, to my recollection, posted anything useful at all, and as you note his posts are full of pottymouth insults that would sound immature coming from an 8th grader.

At top left, select "Profile" then > Account Settings > Modify Profile > Buddies/Ignore List > Edit Ignore List > Add to Ignore List, then type in his alias. Voila... you will never have to be bothered by him again except when he is quoted by someone else.

TinselKoala

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #543 on: January 29, 2015, 08:12:10 PM »
You get the Kunel patent.

Link please? I must have missed that one.

Cap-Z-ro

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #544 on: January 29, 2015, 08:16:28 PM »
Is number of posts relevant somehow to a sincere question or request ?
Please review my posting history.

Timing is everything as we all know, so why bother to review the history of a doosh post ?


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Again ?   Come on man, have some respect for yourself.

Again...the disruptors were asked politely to leave on numerous occasions by the thread originator, me and others...yet they persisted until they drove him off...like they have done with EVERY other new concept presenter.

Respect...he can stick his respect up his arse...who ever he may be (MH).

My posting history however, my demeanor changed after getting tired of the paid shills badgering people off the forum.

So, he can also stick the thread history red herring up his arse also.

Did I not clearly state that things were going to get a little rougher around here after they drove Chris off ?

At least somebody around here can keep their word.


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I think I covered that at the beginning of my post referring to the fruitful dialog (yours excepted) going on recently regarding replications, testing, measurements etc.

And "fruitful dialog" left when they harassed Chris out of here.


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You seem to have it ASS backwards (pun intended)

And I suppose his imaginary son would rather see good ol' dad using the word 'ass' than me huh ?

Hypocrisy that we frequently see the troll engage in...if it looks like a troll, walks like a troll, and squaks like a troll, what am I to conclude ?

Regards...

 

TinselKoala

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #545 on: January 29, 2015, 08:31:37 PM »
Well I am going to play Bad Cop here because my Spidey Senses are tingling and my BS meter is twitching.  We have a new Great Divide between here and OUR.  This has happened many times in the past, it's nothing new.  People on both threads "peek" across the divide all the time.

The issue is Smudge, a.k.a. Cyril Smith.  He wrote a paper called "Bucking Coils Produce Energy Gain."  I did a brief search and found him discussing some stuff about Bearden on the JLN Labs web site in 2000.

It all sounds pretty impressive.... It looks like he can talk the talk and walk the walk.

The problem is that there is no way in hell that bucking coils can produce an energy gain.  He reminds me a little bit of "vgray35@hotmailc.com" on the Be-Do forum in the thread "What happens when overunity is achieved?"  It is the most active thread by far on the forum, 437 posts.  But after all that talk over unity has not been achieved and the QEG remains as dead as a doornail.

I have no intention of even trying to do a technical rebut of what Smudge has to say.  I would not be surprised if he bails after more and more test results show nothing, including tests done at the "optimum separation" between the bucking coils.

So even though Chris may be happy that he has what appears to be a "guru" making statements that support Chris' proposition, it's all just a mirage and some kind of fake "pseudo-science that sounds convincingly like science" shtick that Smudge is doing.

I hate to be the Bad Cop but I hate it even more to pretend that an intellectual discussion is going on that backs up Chris' proposition.  A transformer is an under unity device.  A bucking-coils transformer is nothing more than a crippled version of a transformer.  That's all that you really have to know.

People will continue testing and nobody is going to see anything special.  What they see with their scopes and meters is the device under test doing exactly what it is supposed to be doing, nothing more, nothing less.  You can crank out reams of text to fill five phone books and it's not going to make any difference in the world.  The wires in the transformer are lossy, the core is lossy, the coupling is imperfect, and the bucking does nothing more than reduce the inductance of the secondary.  If an ordinary transformer is about as exciting as watching paint dry, a bucking transformer is also about as exciting as watching paint dry.  I don't care how dedicated and how much work Chris did experimenting, the truth is more important than any of that.

So, sorry to be a Bad Cop.  The important thing is that I am not being a Bad Cop as some sort of psychological ploy.  I am being a "Bad Cop" in the sense that somebody needs to speak rationally and talk about reality.  Eventually the tulip bubble burst and reality prevailed.  In electronics reality always prevails.

MileHigh

You are exactly right. I spent some time last night reading the entire thread at OUR. Note that in several places EMJ tells people to try different _contradictory_ things, even to the point of telling Itsu to try different configurations to boost his output, completely negating the "partnered coils oppositely wound" premise.

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2760.msg44820#msg44820
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2760.msg44928#msg44928

And of course there is still _zero_ evidence from EMJ of any OU measurements from anything he has constructed or tested.

People are working with his ideas because _he claimed OU_. Yet he has presented _zero_ evidence, not even "wrong" measurements that show OU. So what is up with that?

The coils behave exactly like any inductors behave, until someone shows otherwise... which nobody has done, most especially EMJ.


Pardon me, I've got to go feed my herd of invisible pink flying unicorns. Then I'm off to prowl some back alleys for discarded monitors and CRT TVs.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #546 on: January 29, 2015, 08:59:57 PM »

Again...the disruptors were asked politely to leave on numerous occasions by the thread originator, me and others...yet they persisted


But sadly, for anyone that seeks suppression, it is a public forum.
Ironically, complaining about suppression of this technology is one of your big beefs isn't it ?

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Did I not clearly state that things were going to get a little rougher around here after they drove Chris off ?


Chris drove himself off after being caught in one deception after another.
I raised a fairly big one about the scope coupling.
His responses proved his lack of skill.

(wouldn't the easiest thing for him to do after that, have been to reproduce his same COP 1.7 results with the scope in dc coupled mode.
All it would have taken was the press of one switch, a reshoot o the same video, and all of the skeptics of this claim, would have looked like fools)

But instead, he ran off three day later. (and no, I am not claiming it was because of my question, there were MANY more unanswered questions than that).

It was apparent to anyone who could read or follow links, that he knew little of what he was talking about (tragically after 16 years on his part, but I won't get into that).
And it was also apparent that once replication test results started rolling in, he would be shown up for this deception.
He took the best exit strategy he could find.
. leave before full embarrassment
. pretend it was due to harassment
. seek a weaker minded crowd to bamboozle next
. take some of the cheerleaders along

   

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 And "fruitful dialog" left when they harassed Chris out of here.


Sorry, I hate to be the grammar police, but the word you are looking for is "began".
The reason being that the when the cheer-leading coach leaves the field, the pom-pom carriers stand around idly, thus allowing the real action to commence

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And I suppose his imaginary son would rather see good ol' dad using the word 'ass' than me huh ?

Mine was clearly stated as a pun related to a common phrase meaning things being in reverse.
Yours are mostly about anal intercourse

And this thread is already way too gone (by you), for him to view. Despite the recent turnaround brought on by the mature testing discussions.

synchro1

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #547 on: January 29, 2015, 09:12:40 PM »
Ok , set-up No2 -Large ferite core ,2 magnets (from the Magnetron), pulsing coil same as yesterday. Technically if I good understand, the principle is in the change of saturation of the ferite?
Yes, I got some wild vibrations, but the range was between 7-9Hz and even more.  It was vibrating let's say for 15-20 s and then it got still for next 10s and slowly started again. I do believe the final effect mainly relay on the size of the core, material( it permeability) ,strength and the distance between the magnets (determining some mechanical resistance)  It was my last attempt and I am not gonna bother you anymore with this ;)

I want to ask you experienced guys for your opinion. On the next picture is my bench power-supply. I am not sure if is still in healthy condition after so many "things" happened  during the experimentation with HV devices ( namely Ruslans coils etc.).  When I use one channel ,under some conditions (like frequency in the circuit or the voltage increase)  it influence me the second channel. The output on the second channel just is all over the place and switching and so on. I do not remember this doing before. Could be something fried inside? I understand some EMF is going in to it. But shouldn't it be a bit resistant to these sort of things? Generally,I use one diode and ferite choke on the positive lead to give it some sort of protection. Any test suggestion to make sure it works fine?  Thanks.

@John.K1,

Your replication looks great, and "Wild Vibrations" between (7 & 9) Hertz are squarly inside the Shumann frequency range. Anyway you can upload a video of this?

Someone asked for a link to the Heinrich Kunel patent. This video supplies a good explanation by a replicator:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNDQMMM7gJ4

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #548 on: January 29, 2015, 09:13:40 PM »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #549 on: January 29, 2015, 09:53:34 PM »
@John.K1,

Your replication looks great, and "Wild Vibrations" between (7 & 9) Hertz is squarly inside the Shumann frequency range. Anyway you can upload a video of this?

Someone asked for a link to the Heinrich Kunel patent. This video supplies a good explanation by a replicator:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNDQMMM7gJ4

Hi Synchro.  I am not much movie making person, actually I have never made one for YouTube :)

I was thinking about that Kunel Patent I know it from somewhere and then I realized I have made some attempt of replication (on the picture below) around an year ago when I was just starting with all this electronic - free energy mambo jumbo :)  Unfortunately It didn't work for me and the device finished in the cabinet of oblivion.  Today, with more experience I might give it a bit more time and make some things a bit different.    I remember I downloaded some papers here time ago - lenzless transformer. I didn't try to play with that yet. Is here anybody who did?  Just thinking about the coincidence of using capacitors in these designs.  Clearly thinking- Tank circuit makes current to sine alternate. With the intensity of the current flow more or less of magnetism= more or less of saturation of coil=more or less of inductance. Right? What I saw in Akula's movie ( I am sorry to you guys who got a rush from hearing his name :)  )  - He is using two LC tanks which change the inductance in time domain.  Anyway, back to bench.

Edit: I just watched that your link video- part two and I have to lough  -- he said he blown his transformer - The exactly same happened to me. Now I remember. It was the reason why I didn't continue with that as I didn't have other small voltage alternating source that time :)


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #550 on: January 29, 2015, 10:05:33 PM »
I have no intention of even trying to do a technical rebut of what Smudge has to say. 
Why not?  Do you think that he is correct about the negative resistance in presence of a magnetic propagation delay ?
In any case you can expect Smudge to be a good opponent in a decent logical debate ...without the usual AdHominem remarks that are so prevalent here.

Cap-Z-ro

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #551 on: January 29, 2015, 11:22:10 PM »
My main argument...the only valid one by the way...is that anything presented will succeed or fail on its own merit.

Without all the noise makers and harassers.

Who, are preventing people from conducting unfettered experiments with their disruptions.

So what if it turns out to be a bust...but, the possibility exists that an important discovery could possibly happen along the way.

But not with all the distractions created by the usual suspects...who are paid to make sure that doesn't happen.

Their pat excuse for harassing these presenters was always, "to prevent these fraudsters from fleecing unwitting replicators of their hard earned money."

However, Chris asked for nothing...nothing...nothing...so what is their excuse for harassing him, after being asked to leave countless times ?

The obvious answer is...there is no excuse for their conduct.

The only alternatives are that they are bullies or paid shills.


The reason why I have morphed into what you see now is because I am a survivor of abuse, and because of it I have become a rather tough individual when the situation calls for it.

And, as a result, I have little tolerance for abusive conduct...and I could watch this abuse for only so long.

We all have heard it in school that those who stand by while someone is being abused are as guilty as the abuser.

Don't fool yourself into thinking i enjoy this role, because I do not.

But, at the same time, I have to balance this negative task by entertaining myself as best i can.

Regards...


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MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #553 on: January 30, 2015, 12:35:32 AM »
Why not?  Do you think that he is correct about the negative resistance in presence of a magnetic propagation delay ?
In any case you can expect Smudge to be a good opponent in a decent logical debate ...without the usual AdHominem remarks that are so prevalent here.

It's because I don't have the fire in my belly to take it that far.  I don't have theory on the tip of my tongue like you do and it would be a lot of work for me to research.  I can't comment on the negative resistance business.  However, we both know in the case of a tunnel diode, the property of differential negative resistance is "abused" in the realm of free energy and made into something that it's not.  I don't know if there is a parallel there or not.

I hope that you understand, I am relying more on the results from the replicators and just boring old transformer theory, where both of us probably sat in class and followed through all of the derivations.  That boring old theory is rock solid.

MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #554 on: January 30, 2015, 12:48:58 AM »
Thanks for the toned down post !!!! Really !!!!

My main argument...the only valid one by the way...is that anything presented will succeed or fail on its own merit.

Agreed

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Without all the noise makers and harassers.
Who, are preventing people from conducting unfettered experiments with their disruptions.

Depends what you mean by noise makers.

Is TK a noise maker ? Yes he has many doubts and asks lots of questions, and puts forth MANY reasons for scams/misrepresentations etc.
But doesn't he also do hundreds of replications. Some where there may be something to see, but mostly to disprove something.

Do you think MarkE does not know his stuff ? Can you dispute a single thing that he points to as evidence of deception.
And if yes, what would that make it ? 0.001% where he is wrong?

And I know you hate MileHigh. But look at the hundreds of posts where he is offering advice (even to something he knows will fail).
OK, admittedly again out of thousands, but he spends bmost of his time defending.
Sadly, that takes away from the time he could be contributing.

I do not even want to go with your thing with PirateBill. It is just not my thing.

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So what if it turns out to be a bust...but, the possibility exists that an important discovery could possibly happen along the way.


Great, so we can find out if something is real or not then with evidence.
But how do we get that evidence ?
Is it polite to ask questions. Or do we wait (16 years in EMJunkies case) for him to provide some.
If we ask a question, and he just skirts around it (or more typically answers with a claim of harassment), do we continue to wait another 16 years, or expose the scam that has become apparent by the multitude of evidence presented ?
If the evidence against is 90% and the evidence for is 10%, do we just not say anything just in case ?
Do replications ? See last 10 pages.


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But not with all the distractions created by the usual suspects...who are paid to make sure that doesn't happen.


Not going to go there, with that worn out paid shills mantra.


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Their pat excuse for harassing these presenters was always, "to prevent these fraudsters from fleecing unwitting replicators of their hard earned money."

However, Chris asked for nothing...nothing...nothing...so what is their excuse for harassing him, after being asked to leave countless times ?

The obvious answer is...there is no excuse for their conduct.

The alternative answer, that may not have crossed your mind is :

a. they have additional questions about the evidence (usually sparse or lacking) presented
b: they see something incorrect, have proof of it and want to correct it.
c. are also here for entertainment (like me for the most part) and have become part of a community. (that is huge in today's electronic world)
d. who are we kidding, half of these guys have gofundme campaigns or paypal buttons. It's the pat excuse one


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The only alternatives are that they are bullies or paid shills.

Not going there

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The reason why I have morphed into what you see now is because I am a survivor of abuse, and because of it I have become a rather tough individual when the situation calls for it.

And, as a result, I have little tolerance for abusive conduct...and I could watch this abuse for only so long.

We all have heard it in school that those who stand by while someone is being abused are as guilty as the abuser.

Don't fool yourself into thinking i enjoy this role, because I do not.

But, at the same time, I have to balance this negative task by entertaining myself as best i can.

At least if it is entertaining to you, then that is not such a bad thing.
Chris may have been embarrassed by this, but most of us, not so much.