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Offline MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #525 on: January 29, 2015, 03:24:00 PM »
Now... here is something to think about. What happens if you have some energy stored in the magnetic field of a large inductance... and then you suddenly reduce that inductance to less than 1/10 its former value? Where does the energy go?

What if you do this over and over with some electronic switching magic?

The current will instantly jump up in amps.  The classic example I use is the spinning figure skater.  However perhaps a lot of people have trouble with the good old electrical-physical analogies.  Of course we saw the effect with the shameless queasy Qweegie.

But a nice little experiment cold be done with a big coil with a bypass switch that simply shorts out half the turns in the coil.  It would be somewhat tricky to set up but to ignore all the details and cut to the chase something like this:

You have a coil discharging one amp through a one-ohm resistor.  You close the switch and the current instantly jumps up to four amps.  So your DSO simply triggers (one-shot scope capture) on when the voltage across the resistor hits three volts, rising edge.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #526 on: January 29, 2015, 03:50:16 PM »
it is not a phallic symbol
it is a christmas tree

Who's kidding who here ?

Another arse kisser arrives with a bag of semantics.


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #527 on: January 29, 2015, 04:09:26 PM »
TK:

I have to add to my example because I realize that there was a mistake.  You would need a fancier "make before break" switch.  When the switch first engages you short out 1/2 of the coil and effectively bypass it in the circuit, the "make."   Then a few tens of milliseconds later you have to open-circuit the now-bypassed second half of the coil, the "break."

Certainly when the break happens there is going to be some arcing across the switch contacts.  So I am going to assume that the current in the main loop of the circuit will increase, but it won't jump from one amp to four amps.  It will jump up, but by how much I am not sure.  It all depends on how much arcing there is when you have the "break."

Now if I had a bench setup I might be curios enough to set it up and follow the energy trail.

Even for the spinning figure skater it is not that simple and it ties into NoBull's comments about the requirement to expend energy to change the properties/shape of the coil.  When the spinning figure skater pulls her arms in to speed up her rotation, it takes work to do that.  So does that mean that she speeds up to an even higher speed as compared to if he arms "magically" instantly changed position?  I say yes because of COE.  She uses some of her own chemical energy to pull her arms in, resulting in increased rotational speed.

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« Reply #527 on: January 29, 2015, 04:09:26 PM »
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #528 on: January 29, 2015, 04:18:28 PM »
But a nice little experiment cold be done with a big coil with a bypass switch that simply shorts out half the turns in the coil.  It would be somewhat tricky to set up but to ignore all the details and cut to the chase something like this:

You have a coil discharging one amp through a one-ohm resistor.  You close the switch and the current instantly jumps up to four amps.
...and why would you write this?
Doesn't the shorted half maintain flux so the other half does not have to?

Offline MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #529 on: January 29, 2015, 04:24:29 PM »
...and why would you write this?
Doesn't the shorted half maintain flux so the other half does not have to?

Exactly.  I realized I made a mistake.  That's why I made posting #528.

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« Reply #529 on: January 29, 2015, 04:24:29 PM »
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #530 on: January 29, 2015, 05:06:41 PM »
@MileHigh, TK and others with EE experience...

Take a look at the simple inductive Charge & Hold circuit below:
Initially, the switch S1 charges the inductor L1 up to certain current iMAX and after that current reached,  S2 closes and S1 opens. 
After a long time, the S2 opens and discharges the remaining magnetic energy of L1 into C1.

QUESTION: How to practically substitute these switches with N-channel MOSFETs and synchronously drive them from a common point and deal with body diodes without significantly affecting the conductivity of the switched paths?

Of course, switches S1 and S2 are never both fully on at the same time, because that would short the power supply.
The body diode of the MOSFET acting in lieu of S2 would prevent the discharge of the remaining magnetic energy into C1.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #531 on: January 29, 2015, 05:30:32 PM »
Hi,

I did start to work on a practical way of switching inductance last year.
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2407.0

GL.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #532 on: January 29, 2015, 06:00:53 PM »
On the next picture is my bench power-supply. I am not sure if is still in healthy condition after so many "things" happened  during the experimentation with HV devices ( namely Ruslans coils etc.).  When I use one channel ,under some conditions (like frequency in the circuit or the voltage increase)  it influence me the second channel. The output on the second channel just is all over the place and switching and so on. I do not remember this doing before. Could be something fried inside? I understand some EMF is going in to it. But shouldn't it be a bit resistant to these sort of things? Generally,I use one diode and ferite choke on the positive lead to give it some sort of protection. Any test suggestion to make sure it works fine?  Thanks.

Hi John.K1. If you use a bench power supply to power high frequency switching circuits, such as
powering a FET/transistor driver to pulse a coil, you can get a lot of transients feeding back into the
power supply and it can damage the power supply. To test your power supply, you could hook up some
lower resistance value power resistors to each channel of the power supply and test to make sure that under a
fairly heavy current load that both the voltage regulation and current limiting of your power supply (if it has adjustable
current limiting) are working correctly or not.

In my own testing with pulsing coils on ferrite cores, it can really make the regulation circuitry in the power supply
act up, and can potentially blow components in the power supply as well if the generated transients are large. Also this acting
up of the regulation circuitry of the power supply can cause strange things to happen in your circuit due to the improperly
regulated voltage and possibly the current limiting kicking in and out. You either have to use external large value chokes on a
power supply line or both lines as well and possibly extra filtering caps, or better yet, use a battery as your supply voltage.
The battery will give you much more stable results overall, unless you are using some really good extra power supply filtering.

All the best...


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #533 on: January 29, 2015, 06:07:25 PM »
Thanks Void.   ;)

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #534 on: January 29, 2015, 06:39:15 PM »
Re the switching inductors: Now we are thinking congruently. It's a poor man's Flux Compression Generator I think, and Verpies seems to be getting the idea of how to use some of the resulting pulse. So I'm also wondering if there's a way to use semiconductors for the switches in his circuit posted up above.

The basic military EMP-bomb uses explosively-pumped FCGs to generate a high-current pulse (one time!) that feeds a virtual cathode oscillator (vircator) to emit a strong pulse of RF/microwave energy that can couple into unprotected electronics in the target, destroying the electronics with overcurrent. Much of the energy in the explosive FCG-Vircator design comes from the explosion, which forces a shunt to progressively short out a coil that is precharged with magnetic flux. As the shorting shunt is forced up the coil by the shaped explosive charge, work is done against the field, compressing it, which winds up as the high current pulse to the vircator/antenna system.


@John.K1:
Yep, I have had the same troubles with my Topward PSU which is very similar to yours. I did blow some of the internal parts at one point so that neither side worked right, but was able to fix it finally once I located a schematic for it.  If you have a schematic, you will find some op-amps and some voltage references (zeners or programmable VRs that look like small transistors) that may be not working right. I wound up replacing 3 op-amps and 3 of the voltage references to get mine back to full operation.  Cost about 5 dollars in parts, but hours of work and troubleshooting. Finding the schematic was the hardest part, I finally had to send a friend to physically visit a Topward repair depot in California and have him chat up the secretary, who then snuck over to the file cabinet and made him a copy from the "top secret" service manual.
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #535 on: January 29, 2015, 06:47:47 PM »
Thanks TK. It looks it is easier to stay a bit overtime at work and to buy a new one- hassle free. :)

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #536 on: January 29, 2015, 07:17:39 PM »
Cap-z-ro

The subject line of this thread is "Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy"

You may not have noticed, but the last half dozen or so pages in this thread have been quite refreshing.
They contain discussions of theory, testing and measurments regarding - wait for it - "Partnered Output Coils"
Mostly by the people you are calling trolls.



Your last four contributions contain the following excerpts :

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Could you please tone back the obsession with the human posterior.

I would like my son to read this forum to understand one of my areas of interest.
Unfortunately at the moment it is littered with the examples of your strange addiction above.

He is too young to understand sexual preferences such as yours.


Offline MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #537 on: January 29, 2015, 07:21:34 PM »
Well I am going to play Bad Cop here because my Spidey Senses are tingling and my BS meter is twitching.  We have a new Great Divide between here and OUR.  This has happened many times in the past, it's nothing new.  People on both threads "peek" across the divide all the time.

The issue is Smudge, a.k.a. Cyril Smith.  He wrote a paper called "Bucking Coils Produce Energy Gain."  I did a brief search and found him discussing some stuff about Bearden on the JLN Labs web site in 2000.

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However for series-opposing the same analysis produces an effective negative resistance, indicating an energy gain.  This supports EMJ's finding that bucking coils have a unique characteristic, and hopefully my paper will help others in the search for OU.  It also applies to single layer bifilar bucking coils where adjacent turns carry current in opposite directions.  Wound on a core with significant magnetic viscosity these will exhibit energy gain.

It all sounds pretty impressive.... It looks like he can talk the talk and walk the walk.

The problem is that there is no way in hell that bucking coils can produce an energy gain.  He reminds me a little bit of "vgray35@hotmailc.com" on the Be-Do forum in the thread "What happens when overunity is achieved?"  It is the most active thread by far on the forum, 437 posts.  But after all that talk over unity has not been achieved and the QEG remains as dead as a doornail.

I have no intention of even trying to do a technical rebut of what Smudge has to say.  I would not be surprised if he bails after more and more test results show nothing, including tests done at the "optimum separation" between the bucking coils.

So even though Chris may be happy that he has what appears to be a "guru" making statements that support Chris' proposition, it's all just a mirage and some kind of fake "pseudo-science that sounds convincingly like science" shtick that Smudge is doing.

I hate to be the Bad Cop but I hate it even more to pretend that an intellectual discussion is going on that backs up Chris' proposition.  A transformer is an under unity device.  A bucking-coils transformer is nothing more than a crippled version of a transformer.  That's all that you really have to know.

People will continue testing and nobody is going to see anything special.  What they see with their scopes and meters is the device under test doing exactly what it is supposed to be doing, nothing more, nothing less.  You can crank out reams of text to fill five phone books and it's not going to make any difference in the world.  The wires in the transformer are lossy, the core is lossy, the coupling is imperfect, and the bucking does nothing more than reduce the inductance of the secondary.  If an ordinary transformer is about as exciting as watching paint dry, a bucking transformer is also about as exciting as watching paint dry.  I don't care how dedicated and how much work Chris did experimenting, the truth is more important than any of that.

So, sorry to be a Bad Cop.  The important thing is that I am not being a Bad Cop as some sort of psychological ploy.  I am being a "Bad Cop" in the sense that somebody needs to speak rationally and talk about reality.  Eventually the tulip bubble burst and reality prevailed.  In electronics reality always prevails.

MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #538 on: January 29, 2015, 07:31:46 PM »
Now... here is something to think about. What happens if you have some energy stored in the magnetic field of a large inductance... and then you suddenly reduce that inductance to less than 1/10 its former value? Where does the energy go?

What if you do this over and over with some electronic switching magic?
You get the Kunel patent.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #539 on: January 29, 2015, 07:36:22 PM »
Cap-z-ro

The subject line of this thread is "Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy"

You may not have noticed, but the last half dozen or so pages in this thread have been quite refreshing.
They contain discussions of theory, testing and measurments regarding - wait for it - "Partnered Output Coils"
Mostly by the people you are calling trolls.



Your last four contributions contain the following excerpts :

Reply #503

.. ass ..
.. ass ..
.. ass ..
.. ass ..


Reply #508

.. arse ..

Reply #512

.. asshole ..
.. arse ..
.. butt ..
.. arse ..
.. arseholes ..


Reply #527

.. arse ..



Could you please tone back the obsession with the human posterior.

I would like my son to read this forum to understand one of my areas of interest.
Unfortunately at the moment it is littered with the examples of your strange addiction above.

He is too young to understand sexual preferences such as yours.

So, another apparent "newbie" enters the scene to stir the pot again (another MH moniker suspected)...troll alert goes off.

There's just no end to it.

I'll tell you one thing, if I was in control there wouldn't be a single shill, troll, nitpicker, naysayer, or arse kisser seen on any thread on this forum...I would wipe their every post from the board.

And they would be far too busy re-registering under fake names to keep up with me banning them, to cause any disruptions or distractions.

Then...there would be unfettered fruitful dialogue on here.
 
Regards...


 

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