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Offline stupify12

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #465 on: January 28, 2015, 05:12:29 PM »
Void,

Read and review the pdf shown here. Then review the Vladimir Uttkin pdf files then think clearly like a kindergarten with no added Quanterion Math..


Meow

It appears the discussion forums here really could use some sort of moderation to help keep discussions more constructive.
There is a world of difference between constructive criticism/suggestions, which usually can be expressed in just
a few posts, as compared to deliberate attempts to insult or otherwise be rude or disruptive, etc., in order to try to derail
a discussion. Constantly repeating the same sort of thing over an over in multiple posts is also not constructive.
Much of the posts that have been made in this thread really just serve to derail the discussion here. Constructive criticism can
always be made respectfully, if a person just makes a little effort and employs a little bit of self control.
 
If someone doesn't want to listen to another person's suggestions/constructive criticisms, then so be it. A point can
be made in a post or two, and if a person is not going to consider your suggestions, then simply move on. The point has already
been made. No need to keep repeating it over and over again. ;) Too often here, criticisms made are really just veiled or outright insults.
That, of course,  is not a constructive way at all to carry on a discussion.


John.k1, Ramset:  Thanks for posting those links. It looks really interesting. I will read through it later
when I get the chance.

All the best...

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #465 on: January 28, 2015, 05:12:29 PM »

Offline Void

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #466 on: January 28, 2015, 05:43:30 PM »
Void,
Read and review the pdf shown here. Then review the Vladimir Uttkin pdf files then think clearly like a kindergarten with no added Quanterion Math..
Meow

Hi Stupify12. I have read through both PDF's. I have also already done a fair bit of experimentation with such coil arrangements 
over the last several years, and I have seen some interesting effects. I am still experimenting. My mind always operates at
a kindergarten level. It's the best I can do... ;D
All the best..

Offline minnie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #467 on: January 28, 2015, 06:45:06 PM »



   Void,
         some sort of moderation should be avoided.
  If topics aren't kept towards the top of the page-they die!
             John.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #467 on: January 28, 2015, 06:45:06 PM »
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Offline ramset

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #468 on: January 28, 2015, 07:02:07 PM »
Minnie
topics will die here for sure,but I a sure you  ...those more controversial things with merit have found other places to work ,  However things will always work there way back to this and other open source forums.


you can only take so much google teaching,   sometimes it takes doing too....

respectfully


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #469 on: January 28, 2015, 07:06:42 PM »


It is a mechanical resonance caused by the geometry. Change the mass of the magnets or the length of the strut and watch the resonance occur at a different frequency. Watch the video and note that the magnets engage in "frenzied twirling" at many different readings of the... what?

Also, for the second time, where in the video is an actual measurement of frequency to hundredths of a Hz precision?

Keep it up, your ignorance is slightly amusing. You don't even seem to know what a "standing wave" actually is. The action is a consequence of "the frequency" and the mechanical geometry of the parts. It has _nothing_ to do with Schumann resonances. Change the geometry and you will see the resonant frequency change as well.

@TinselKoala,

You have alot to say for somebody who's too cheap to even buy a tiny bar magnet or a neo sphere. I own hundreds of magnets and like playing with them. Let's see you back some of these false claims of yours up with some evidence! The balance magnets react at different frequencies because the Shumann resonance has harmonics. Magnet geometry in no way causes the pattern of resonant harmonics.
« Last Edit: January 29, 2015, 12:54:47 AM by synchro1 »

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Offline synchro1

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #470 on: January 28, 2015, 08:50:52 PM »
Study this video by Jerry Bayles. The stationary disk magnets are what we're calling a "Bucking Configuration".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OQmzv2W-Ys

"The video shows a macroscopic version of a quantum effect where the electron must revolve twice to turn itself around once. Hence the so-called spin 1/2. Note that the two disk magnets are identical and the fields are aiding and pass through the axis of the disks, which is the thin side only. The balance magnets are bar magnets where the fields pass through the smallest dimension, that is across the flat sides and each magnet is opposite the other in its field orientation. This can represent the uncertainty in position of an electron since there are pairs of each type of magnet displaced in distance from each other. Close examination of the above action show that for each time the balance magnets return to the starting condition, 1080 degrees of bar magnet rotation occur and 720 degrees of balance magnet orbits occur which is two rotations. There is energy in the outer field that can be tapped into and the field may even provide propulsion under the right circumstances".

Go: http://www.electrogravity.com

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #471 on: January 28, 2015, 08:54:37 PM »
 I did a first test with my first partnered output coil. Please see the attached drawings and photos (see the attached circuit diagram).

INPUT  10 Vpp Sine from function generator through 100 Ohm:
50 Hz Sine , Veff 2.2 V , VDeff 2.16 V , Watt = 2.2 * 2.16 /100 = 47 mW
1 kHz Sine, Veff 3 V, VDeff 1.5 V , Watt =3 * 1.5 / 100 = 31 mW
2 kHz Sine ,  Veff 3.28 V , VDeff 1 V , Watt = 3.28 * 1  / 100 = 33 mW
3 kHz Sine ,  Veff 3.36 V , VDwff 0.68 V , Watt = 3.36 * 0.68 / 100 = 23 mW


OUTPUT over 100 Ohm:
50 Hz Sine, Veff 0.028 V, Watt = 0.028 * 0.028 / 100 = 8 µW
1 kHz Sine, Veff 0.34 V, Watt = 0.34 * 0.34 / 100 = 1.1 mW
2 kHz Sine ,  Veff 0.39 V, Watt = 0.39 * 0.39 / 100 = 1.5 mW
3 kHz Sine,  Veff 0.36 V , Watt = 0.36 * 0.36 / 100 = 1.3 mW


The highest output is at around 2400 Hz: INPUT ~ 30 mW, OUTPUT ~ 1.5 mW.

I also tried a square wave signal from the function generator and the results were similar. A square wave signal causes spikes and distortions at the input and output. I will show scope shots in the coming days. But first I would need input from the experts (MileHigh, TinselKoala, others who know something, may be EMJunkie feels like helping out with some suggestions.)

I also know that the core halves should be separated a bit (may be several millimetres) to cause a loose coupling of the partnered coils. I have not done that yet.


Please comment. Help is appreciated.

Greetings, Conrad

P.S: (Tests with a higher current through the primary are in preparation, several Watt. Amplification of the signal from the Function Generator with a transistor and my laboratory power supply will be done in the coming days.)

 

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #472 on: January 28, 2015, 09:06:55 PM »
@Conradelectro,

Here's a comment from Chris Sykes. Please pay close attention to what he's saying:

@ALL,

About Frequency's, a small experiment:

1: Fuse your input just to be safe first!
2: Slowly drop your running frequency down...
3: Hold in your hand, a small magnet, close to your device.
4: Keep dropping your Frequency until you can Feel the Magnet Jump around.
5: Check all around your device with the Magnet

I found this good to get a feel for what's going on. And, yes easy for the sceptics to go to town here, but it did help me.

Also, on a side Note: Start thinking about the potentials of the Partnered Output Coils! Think about each Coil being a Bucket, How much Water can it hold...

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!

P.S: You should hear a Chattering of your device. Aim for around 25 - 40 Hz to do this experiment.

P.P.S: This Experiment is fairly important, so please don't pass it by! Please Run the Experiment and report your Results!  ;)


« Last Edit: January 25, 2015, 02:23:56 AM by EMJunkie

Offline conradelektro

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #473 on: January 28, 2015, 09:11:23 PM »
Attached please see a circuit from Jean Louis Naudin for amplification of a signal from the Function Generator. I will use 10 to 15 Volt from the power supply (not up to 80 Volt like Naudin). A shunt of 10 Ohm in series with the primary should result in about 1 Watt through the primary.

Any ideas? Good way of doing it?

I also have a 12 Watt mono audio amplifier, but this would need a rewind of the coil with thicker wire.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #474 on: January 28, 2015, 09:55:13 PM »
Ok, Let's be a bit nice to Tinsel too.  :D  You might be right about the oscillating magnets.  The mass , center of mass , the distances and the strength of magnetic field might (and does) play role here too.  On the picture you can see my set-up. Two magnet discs on long magnet bar and in my hand I am holding the pulsing coil (yes Tinsel, there are not wires from that coil , I did this picture after I performed the test and I was lazy to put them back ;)  ) In any case I was pulsing it from 3Hz up to 45Hz and as my frequency was rising so did the vibration of magnets - unfortunately. May be I did something wrong ;)

In the back you can see my set-up of backed air core coils I play with. My ratio is there around 1:20 and I am getting HV on the cental tap. Some interesting effects there as well. May be I will do my fist YouTube video ever for you :)
Cheers,


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #475 on: January 28, 2015, 10:07:30 PM »
Ok, Let's be a bit nice to Tinsel too.  :D  You might be right about the oscillating magnets.  The mass , center of mass , the distances and the strength of magnetic field might (and does) play role here too.  On the picture you can see my set-up. Two magnet discs on long magnet bar and in my hand I am holding the pulsing coil (yes Tinsel, there are not wires from that coil , I did this picture after I performed the test and I was lazy to put them back ;)  ) In any case I was pulsing it from 3Hz up to 45Hz and as my frequency was rising so did the vibration of magnets - unfortunately. May be I did something wrong ;)

In the back you can see my set-up of backed air core coils I play with. My ratio is there around 1:20 and I am getting HV on the cental tap. Some interesting effects there as well. May be I will do my fist YouTube video ever for you :)
Cheers,

@John.k1,

Let me point out that the coil in the "Dancing Magnets" video is a neutralization coil, and that it's the magnetic attraction of the speaker magnets to the ferrite toroid beneath the coil windings that's causing the magnets to oscillate, not the force of an electro-magnetic coil pulse. What the coil in the video does is mask the magnetic attraction to the ferrite. A very different kind of test!

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« Reply #476 on: January 28, 2015, 10:39:38 PM »
Hi Synchro, I didn't get it.  Does that means that you magnetize the ferrite toroid beneath the coils?  If i good understand, both poles are actually sitting on the ferrite- so which pole you neutralize?  8)

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #477 on: January 28, 2015, 11:07:51 PM »
Attached please see a circuit from Jean Louis Naudin for amplification of a signal from the Function Generator. I will use 10 to 15 Volt from the power supply (not up to 80 Volt like Naudin). A shunt of 10 Ohm in series with the primary should result in about 1 Watt through the primary.

Any ideas? Good way of doing it?

I also have a 12 Watt mono audio amplifier, but this would need a rewind of the coil with thicker wire.

Greetings, Conrad

Your schematic is a 100 percent bog-standard lowside switch arrangement.

You can use any N-channel mosfet. For good response time your FG should deliver 8-10 volts peak to the Gate. I would use a mosfet with lower Rdss, like IRF3205 or similar (55V, 110 A, 0.008 ohm Rdss); the IRF840 has higher voltage but lower current capability and will dissipate much more power internally so may need a heatsink (500V, 8A, 0.850 ohm Rdss) ;  with the 3205 you won't even need a heatsink if you are only driving one watt through it. For higher powers (that is, more supply voltage and less load resistance) you can change to a TO-247 power mosfet like IRFP260N.

The pulldown resistor is too low a value in the schematic. This is there only to allow the gate charge to be removed from the mosfet so it will turn off cleanly. You can use 100K here or even higher, especially at low pulse frequencies. If you pulse with a symmetrical squarewave (negative as well as positive pulses) you don't even need a resistor here at all, the negative part of the drive pulse will turn the mosfet off _hard_. Just don't exceed the maximum gate voltage (usually 20 V wrt Source) with either polarity of the drive pulse. It is common to put a low-value resistor in series with the gate pulse (10 or 100 ohm) to limit current in case the mosfet fails shorted.

Depending on the inductive backspike when the mosfet turns off and what you want to do with the spike, you may or may not want to install an ultrafast high current diode, reverse biased, across the coil, or across the mosfet from Drain to Source to supplement the internal body diode.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #478 on: January 28, 2015, 11:16:16 PM »
Why don't you guys start a separate oscillating magnets thread because it has nothing to do with the partnered output coils?

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« Reply #479 on: January 28, 2015, 11:25:32 PM »
Conrad, TK:

The issue that I have with the low-side MOSFET switch is that I don't believe that it is the right type of excitation as called for in Chris' documents.  The MOSFET alternates between a low impedance drive signal and then a high impedance disconnect.  I believe the "correct" drive signal would come from a continuously connected sine wave voltage source like from an audio amplifier.

I think a handy drive signal source would be a cheap car audio amplifier.  It runs off of 12 volts and has a differential pair output.  I believe that they are basically giant operational amplifiers.  If you get a really powerful car audio amp then it's current sourcing and current sinking capabilities must be quite high.  In other words it's a "stiff" variable voltage source, to use MarkE's terminology.

MileHigh

 

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