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Author Topic: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy  (Read 2585738 times)

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #360 on: January 27, 2015, 11:54:27 AM »
(in response to my question about the schematic above)

The 0v leg and the gnd leg?   transistors - refference to sig input?

Mags

Yes, what is up with that?

I would like to know the reason that this circuit is designed this way. It appears in both "Experiment 1" and "Experiment 2" in EMJunkie's pdf, the only difference being whether the "partner" coils are connected in bucking or aiding series.

What is the justification for the lower mosfet?

Does "0V" mean earth/chassis ground, or the non-grounded "minus" terminal of the PSU?

Does EMJunkie's scope connect the probe reference lead to the chassis ground and back through the line cord to the mains/earth ground as many do?

Many FGs do connect the "black" output lead to chassis/earth ground in this way. Some, like mine, can be fully isolated by a panel switch, but connecting the "black" FG output lead (BNC shield) to a common ground point, or through a BNC connector to another (grounded) instrument with a patch cable, overrides this isolation feature so one must be careful not to create a groundloop inadvertently.


So... what is up with this schematic?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #360 on: January 27, 2015, 11:54:27 AM »

Offline MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #361 on: January 27, 2015, 11:59:14 AM »
Captain Zero:

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There is no such thing as "standard electronics knowledge"...until the effects of the manifested magnetic field is thoroughly understood...which this doosh seems to be hell bent on preventing.

That's another nonsensical statement from a position of ignorance.  You go to a transformer manufacturer in Shenzhen, China where they might make hundreds of thousands of transformers per day.  You talk your talk to the engineering and production engineering teams and they will laugh in your face.

Nor am I hell-bent on preventing learning.  In fact I share good knowledge with people on this forum quite often.  But we know that you can't "cope" with that fact and will ignore it.

MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #362 on: January 27, 2015, 12:02:33 PM »
   hanon,
           please indicate how facts which are easily verifiable manage to "kill off" a
thread. Sour grapes can.
            John.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #362 on: January 27, 2015, 12:02:33 PM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #363 on: January 27, 2015, 12:10:34 PM »
Schematic? Hello! The image has been viewed over a _hundred times_ since I posted it and only two people have replied to my question about the very real and legitimate issues concerning it.  And they have no answers but reinforce the questions.

Is anyone actually serious about anything in this whole thread, except bashing the skeptics? Did anyone besides me actually _read_ the pdf?

Offline conradelektro

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #364 on: January 27, 2015, 03:03:55 PM »
It is ridiculous to accuse some one of having killed this thread. Even stupid insults can not keep people away. And MileHigh wrote not a single insult.

It is also unrealistic to expect people to instantly build test set ups. It always takes me days if not weeks to hook something up. One has other things to do as well.

I do not know why EMJunkie does not want to write about his measurements, very unwise. So one could legitimately say that he himself killed the thread.

For me the instantly appearing Apostles or Acolytes of an unproven OU-Jesus are the boring part of a thread. And these strange fellows are dishing out insults over and over again.

It also lets me down when a OU-preacher starts to teach by help of riddles instead of providing tangible data. For Christ's sake, allegory is for religious leaders and not very useful in a technical forum.

I forgive errors, insults, wrong circuits and nonsense, but not arrogance without proof. For most of the OU-inventors I have seen in the OU-forums a "mental condition" seems to be the best explanation of their personality (also for their avid followers).

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #364 on: January 27, 2015, 03:03:55 PM »
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Offline ramset

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #365 on: January 27, 2015, 03:42:50 PM »
Tinsel
can  you make a suggestion to Chris to varify he has not unknowingly achieved a groundloop  input into this circuit ?


These groundloop [in many configurations] contributions absolutely MUST be ruled out,I have seen way to many Groundloops waste _Way_ to much experimenters time..
sometimes years.

this community doesn't have ANY time to waste !


your efforts and build experience  are a tremendous asset to this community.


_Most_ respectfully


Chet

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #366 on: January 27, 2015, 04:55:11 PM »
Hanon, Propellanttech:

Don't give me this nonsense about "killing the thread."  If people make claims then other people have the right to ask them questions about those claims.  In fact, Chris didn't actually name me when he made his "run away" posting.   If you had some guts and used your head you too would be asking Chris for evidence of his claim.  Don't you give me this nonsensical demonization of people that are simply asking perfectly legitimate questions.

What are we here for?  We are here to explore and that means that you don't just shut up and say nothing like a mindless drone when someone makes a claim that would win him a Nobel Prize if it was actually true.  Nor do I have to do experiments in Electronics 001 to "prove" anything.  The burden of proof is on the claimant and so far the claimant has presented zero evidence to back up his claims.

MileHigh

Really??  Let me ask you something. Why do you ask for evidence, if you do not experiment? The evidence would do nothing for you.

Tell me, what is electronics 101?   I'll tell you what I perceive as electronics 101: If you do this, and you do this, this is your outcome. But it the outcome is not correct, you did something different.  That is what people here are doing....something different, so the rules do not necessarily apply. This is due to the fact not every situation in electronics, electrical, or anything else have been tested. If you think they have, I would love to see your proof.

I didn't say that I totally believe Chris in the OU claim. But I'm not here to copy someone else. I'm here to experiment, learn, and possibly do something that hasn't ever been done before. If I succeed in OU great, if I don't I'll have found a bunch of ways not to do it.

Just because you were accepted in the forum, does not give you the right to demand anything. That right is earned not given. Because you do not experiment, and will not, you do not deserve the right. I do agree anyone who has earned that right through experimentation should question his claims.

Spew your theories on the ways others have done things.....I care not, for I won't respond to your negative remarks.

Interesting that many learned not all "laws" are absolute. They just recently discovered that light may possibly not travel at a set speed. How long did everyone believe that? Who wrote that law?

James

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #366 on: January 27, 2015, 04:55:11 PM »
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Offline MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #367 on: January 27, 2015, 05:20:39 PM »
James:

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Just because you were accepted in the forum, does not give you the right to demand anything. That right is earned not given. Because you do not experiment, and will not, you do not deserve the right.

Well, that is one of the great quotes for sure.  You don't have the right to demand anything and then you go ahead and make a demand.

If a claimant makes a claim of over unity but offers no supporting evidence, they are going to be questioned.  That's the way it is.  There is nothing for me to be defensive about at all.

Not one single person will be able to show a "bucking coils" transformer do anything out of the ordinary.  Anybody is free to try and disprove this if they want.  They are up against Mother Nature and Faraday's Law.

Experiments have to go hand-in-hand with thinking and analysing your results and understanding what you observe.  It's almost shocking how much "blind paint-by-numbers experimenting" you see sometimes.  I am all for experimenting, and I am even more supportive of actually understanding what your experiment means.  And you can apply your accumulated knowledge without jumping through hoops to satisfy people like you making irrational demands that you experiment.  If you really think that I have to build a transformer to comment then you have a problem.

For many people when they see a new user with three posts total and your aggressive stance, they might suspect that you are just a sock puppet.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #368 on: January 27, 2015, 05:26:30 PM »



 James,
          I feel that at the sort of level we're dealing with here experimentation has got
 to be fairly low on the list.
    There is just so much valuable information out there at the touch of a keypad coupled
with calculators and simulators that makes practical work the final stage.
    By all means spend your dollars and hours at experimentation, you'll learn a lot.
Don't belittle the paper and pencil guys, good design is the key to success.
            John.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #368 on: January 27, 2015, 05:26:30 PM »
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #369 on: January 27, 2015, 05:34:23 PM »
Captain Zero:

That's another nonsensical statement from a position of ignorance.

Thats troll speak for...it is he who speaks from a position of ignorance. 


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You go to a transformer manufacturer in Shenzhen, China where they might make hundreds of thousands of transformers per day.
 

And they, like all the knowitall's here will also have no idea how magnetism operates.


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You talk your talk to the engineering and production engineering teams and they will laugh in your face.

Not all, but most...just like the assortment of headuparses we have to endure here.


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Nor am I hell-bent on preventing learning.
 

Thats not what everybody here thinks, judging by the number who have expressed what they are seeing.


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In fact I share good knowledge with people on this forum quite often.  But we know that you can't "cope" with that fact and will ignore it.

He shares suppression of new knowledge...nothing else.

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MileHigh



These knowitalls here are the reincarnations of the same knowitallswho heaped abuse and condescension on the Wright brothers for their whackadoo idea that something heavier than air could fly.

Why don't you assholes learn insect speak, and then go and incessantly try to tell all the bumble bees that they aren't actually flying because they are heavier than air.

After you all get done stomping what little life is left in this thread, of course.

Buy hey, carry on...it shouldn't be too much longer before you doosh bags are talking among yourselves on a dead web site.

Regards...


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #370 on: January 27, 2015, 05:38:48 PM »
Schematic? Hello! The image has been viewed over a _hundred times_ since I posted it and only two people have replied to my question about the very real and legitimate issues concerning it.  And they have no answers but reinforce the questions.

Is anyone actually serious about anything in this whole thread, except bashing the skeptics? Did anyone besides me actually _read_ the pdf?

TK:

Let's just tie the mysterious lower MOSFET source pin at 0 volts to ground.  Seems reasonable.  So that would mean that the lower MOSFET Q2 does nothing, nada.  It may as well not even be in the circuit.  Let's call that problem #1.

When Q1 is OFF, not much is going on and the scope probe will snow 0 volts across R1.

Then when Q1 switches on, you start to energize L1 and L2 and you will see the rising current waveform across R1.

Then when Q1 switches off, you have problem #2.  The energy stored in L1 and L2 is all dressed up with no place to go.  The source pin of Q1 is going to get yanked to an extremely low negative voltage.  Another way of putting it is that there is going to be a high-voltage energy burn across the Q1 source-drain as L1 and L2 push current through the open switch of the Q1 MOSFET.  So there is a chance that you will blow Q1 under these circumstances.

MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #370 on: January 27, 2015, 05:38:48 PM »
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #371 on: January 27, 2015, 05:49:03 PM »


 James,
          I feel that at the sort of level we're dealing with here experimentation has got
 to be fairly low on the list.
    There is just so much valuable information out there at the touch of a keypad coupled
with calculators and simulators that makes practical work the final stage.
    By all means spend your dollars and hours at experimentation, you'll learn a lot.
Don't belittle the paper and pencil guys, good design is the key to success.
            John.

John,

Paper and pencil only works with tested designs. Transformer theory (not law) is based on the way every transformer in use on the grid is built. I know of none that use a bucking coil design within them.

Believing the simulators and calculations is a statement that we know everything about magnetism, and magnetic fields. Will you state we totally understand magnetic fields and magnetism, and we have nothing left to learn about them?

So how are we to use the knowledge of the testing of conventional transformers in a situation that is not conventional? Or anything else non-conventional.

That is like comparing a canard aircraft with a conventional aircraft. They both fly. That is about the only similarity. The testing and design, now must be done to find what differences are there. They are not the same with respect to efficiencies or flight characteristics, so they are not broadly thrown into the same envelope.

That is why real world testing must be done. When you assume your calculations are correct, then you may overlook the one thing that could get you where you want to go.

That is why, only building the "transformer" will prove the point. Hence why only "testers" have the right to question someones claim. Do the work, then you understand how to question someone correctly.

James

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #372 on: January 27, 2015, 05:55:15 PM »
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Regards...

The false troll accuser becomes the main troll on the forum.  Can you say self-flagellation?  Count down from 200, it's going to feel really good towards the end.  lol

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #373 on: January 27, 2015, 05:58:50 PM »



   Geez Cap'n,
               everyone (almost) cites the Wright brothers. Very few seem to realise that
it was the wretched petrol engine that enabled powered flight to take off. If the Wrights
hadn't succeeded very soon someone else would have.
   Evolution is unstoppable, just like an OU. device would be. I think there's far more
likelyhood of murders being committed to get hold of an OU. device rather than of the
oil company trying to block one.
                 John.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #374 on: January 27, 2015, 06:01:39 PM »
Schematic? Hello! The image has been viewed over a _hundred times_ since I posted it and only two people have replied to my question about the very real and legitimate issues concerning it.  And they have no answers but reinforce the questions.

Is anyone actually serious about anything in this whole thread, except bashing the skeptics? Did anyone besides me actually _read_ the pdf?

TK,

Unfortunately the original poster has moved on. I plan to join him when I get approved.

The 0v may be just a mislabel, I don't know. I do know it looks suspicious.

Sorry, but this thread has fell into a cluster, but many threads here seem to be pointing in that same direction.

James

 

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