Author Topic: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy (Read 3530893 times)

EMJunkie · « **Reply #285 on:** January 26, 2015, 01:23:10 AM »

Quote from: TinselKoala on January 26, 2015, 01:14:36 AM

It's certainly obvious to me.

AC vs DC coupled scope channels. -- EMJunkie is wrong.
"Decoupling" capacitor.-- EMJunkie is wrong.
"In Phase" when actually 180 degrees out-of-phase.-- EMJunkie is wrong.
1.7 OU without any evidence. -- EMJunkie is wrong.
Insults delivered to Bill, MarkE and anyone else who dares to ask for real evidence for the COP claim. -- EMJunkie is wrong.

@TinselKoala, MarkE and Bill

You have been asked Nicely to leave the thread - Yet you still visit and post laughable cynical Non-Sense!

Why is it that you wont leave? You keep coming back, reading and posting to this thread?

I really wouldn't mind, but the problem is, that youre filling this thread with Mindless Non Backed-Up Piffle that most Everyone can see right through!

Besides, TinselKoala, you have lied at least twice in your post and anyone here reading will see this!

Please, if you don't like this thread, Please Leave - I ask you agiain Nicely!

Or is it that you three have a Paid Job to do here? Mudding Waters maybe?

Kind Regards

Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
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Pirate88179 · « **Reply #286 on:** January 26, 2015, 01:48:22 AM »

Quote from: EMJunkie on January 26, 2015, 01:23:10 AM

@TinselKoala, MarkE and Bill

You have been asked Nicely to leave the thread - Yet you still visit and post laughable cynical Non-Sense!

Why is it that you wont leave? You keep coming back, reading and posting to this thread?

I really wouldn't mind, but the problem is, that youre filling this thread with Mindless Non Backed-Up Piffle that most Everyone can see right through!

Besides, TinselKoala, you have lied at least twice in your post and anyone here reading will see this!

Please, if you don't like this thread, Please Leave - I ask you agiain Nicely!

Or is it that you three have a Paid Job to do here? Mudding Waters maybe?

Kind Regards

Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
To Reach New Horizons!

Ah, the old "Paid Shill" ploy is being used. This happens when someone has no leg left to stand on. Typical and, predictable.

The only muddying of the waters going on here is this entire thread. Of course you would ask anyone that knows better to leave and stop posting as it would detract from your fantasy pseudo-science explanations that some here are actually believing.

I have been asked to leave nicer places than this. But, usually when that happens, it is being asked by someone that actually knows what he/she is talking about.

Bill

PS Please post to us where TK has ever "lied" as you have claimed. I have been on this forum for many, many years and I can not seem to recall where TK has ever "lied" about anything. You said he has done this 2 times so, this should be easy for you to at least post one of his "lies".

propellanttech · « **Reply #287 on:** January 26, 2015, 02:00:57 AM »

I'm a new guy here, but have done a lot of research on the different circuitry contain in these forums (not just this thread).

With that said, I will admit I have done no testing of my own. This is due to time and money constraints in the past, but is changing soon.

I do have a question aimed at EMJ: Are the coils wound orthocyclic, one left hand, one right hand , and one to match a direction with less wire/bigger AWG to be the "drive" coil?

Orthocyclic to me is defined as: one layer wound (in this example moving to the left) and the following layer is wound back to the original starting point(for this example to the right),this would be stated as two layers and how ever many turns that have occurred. This cycle repeats until all layers and number of turns required are completed. A reverse othocyclic coil would be, in this example, started on the left and be moving to the right. These are only examples in this instance. A coil can be wound any direction, but the reverse would start on the opposite side.

Thanks,

James

EMJunkie · « **Reply #288 on:** January 26, 2015, 02:01:20 AM »

Bill,

Quote from: Pirate88179 on January 26, 2015, 01:48:22 AM

Ah, the old "Paid Shill" ploy is being used. This happens when someone has no leg left to stand on. Typical and, predictable.

The only muddying of the waters going on here is this entire thread. Of course you would ask anyone that knows better to leave and stop posting as it would detract from your fantasy pseudo-science explanations that some here are actually believing.

I have been asked to leave nicer places than this. But, usually when that happens, it is being asked by someone that actually knows what he/she is talking about.

Bill

PS Please post to us where TK has ever "lied" as you have claimed. I have been on this forum for many, many years and I can not seem to recall where TK has ever "lied" about anything. You said he has done this 2 times so, this should be easy for you to at least post one of his "lies".

Quote from: TinselKoala on January 26, 2015, 01:14:36 AM

"In Phase" when actually 180 degrees out-of-phase.-- EMJunkie is wrong.
1.7 OU without any evidence. -- EMJunkie is wrong.

Both are Lies!

1: I never said anything about the Input being in Phase - TK Lie!
2: I tried to provide some information but Ignorance and Arrogance got in the way! I ended the exchange - TK Lie!

Bill - Please leave the thread! I can sense you're not a bad bloke, just looking for something you're not sure of.

Kind Regards

Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
To Reach New Horizons!

MileHigh · « **Reply #289 on:** January 26, 2015, 02:07:16 AM »

Chris:

My ulterior motive in requesting that people do good replications is then you will have to face the hard data generated by the real experiments. I am assuming that you would then ask the replicators to make some tweaks but the tweaks won't help that much.

Imagine five people try and get under unity results. Then you are motivated to get your setup out of the box and do your own tests. We will imagine for the sake of argument that someone spots a flaw in your test and measurement setup and once corrected, your results are similar to the others.

You made reference to a friend of yours getting over unity in his or her experiment. Then it's kind of like we are in "Magic Mushroom Land" where free energy is just sprouting up like mushrooms in a damp wet bog. The problem is that we are not in the bog or in Oz or Kansas - it's just Real Time Reality all the time!

On another note, it's just impossible for something like this to have gone unnoticed. If it was true you would have commercial-scale magic transformer power production facilities right now, along with fridge-sized "home power boxes." It's almost metaphysically impossible for what you are suggesting to have gone unnoticed. So there is that ignorance-arrogance angle at play that most people don't want to think about or acknowledge.

Beyond that, for your COP 1.7 claim, did you take it further than just reporting more power out than power in? You have an AC waveform on the input an an AC waveform on the output. In theory you should be able to point to your scope trace and say, "this part of the output waveform is where the free energy manifests itself. "Strangely enough" that is never done.

Ultimately I would hope that this all can become a positive learning experience for you and for the others following the thread. Real Life in Real Time is going to show you the truth. Then you can go back to transformer theory in the books and see how they got it right.

Seriously, there is a kind of philosophical angle to consider here. How do I fit into the big picture and does what I do stand out and break new ground or am I just going through the learning steps of life? Am I being too arrogant and prejudging where I fit into the overall scheme of things? Where am I without understanding the fabric of learning that already supports me in my quest?

MileHigh

synchro1 · « **Reply #290 on:** January 26, 2015, 02:16:21 AM »

TinselKoala should shoot for a part time job in recycling.

EMJunkie · « **Reply #291 on:** January 26, 2015, 02:35:06 AM »

MileHigh:

Quote from: MileHigh on January 26, 2015, 02:07:16 AM

My ulterior motive in requesting that people do good replications is then you will have to face the hard data generated by the real experiments. I am assuming that you would then ask the replicators to make some tweaks but the tweaks won't help that much.

I know what your motives are MiileHigh! How would you know if your not doing the experiments?

Why is it that "Free Energy" has been so illusive for so many people for so long? For so many reasons, some I have covered already!

Quote from: MileHigh on January 26, 2015, 02:07:16 AM

Imagine five people try and get under unity results. Then you are motivated to get your setup out of the box and do your own tests. We will imagine for the sake of argument that someone spots a flaw in your test and measurement setup and once corrected, your results are similar to the others.

I stated: "For every one device that works, expect 10 devices that don’t. But, don’t give up, keep trying." Page: 33 Second Paragraph!

You, like others seem to have some amazing myth that simply throwing three coils and sticking an AC input is going to work? Really, you need to re-think the entire thing!

It doesn't work like this! Its a Living Beast with a Heart Beat! One needs to bring it to life! Not expect it to Live!

Please don't expect! Just because your Expectations are too high especially when you're not prepared to do the work!

Quote from: MileHigh on January 26, 2015, 02:07:16 AM

You made reference to a friend of yours getting over unity in his or her experiment. Then it's kind of like we are in "Magic Mushroom Land" where free energy is just sprouting up like mushrooms in a damp wet bog. The problem is that we are not in the bog or in Oz or Kansas - it's just Real Time Reality all the time!

I am glad to see you have all the terminology correct here! Well done! You've surpassed all expectations I had for you!

Quote from: MileHigh on January 26, 2015, 02:07:16 AM

On another note, it's just impossible for something like this to have gone unnoticed. If it was true you would have commercial-scale magic transformer power production facilities right now, along with fridge-sized "home power boxes." It's almost metaphysically impossible for what you are suggesting to have gone unnoticed. So there is that ignorance-arrogance angle at play that most people don't want to think about or acknowledge.

I am again glad you've pointed this out! I have a list of Names for you:
Clemente Figuera,
T Henry Moray,
Lester Hendershot,
Raymond Kromrey,
Stanley Meyer,
Paul Raymond Jensen,
Floyd Sweet,
Earl Koenig,
Alexander Frolov,
Andrey Melnichenko,
Mishail1971,
Bill Alek,

and many hundreds more.

Un-noticed or is the problem more like a Blind Ignorance to Possibility!

Quote from: MileHigh on January 26, 2015, 02:07:16 AM

Beyond that, for your COP 1.7 claim, did you take it further than just reporting more power out than power in? You have an AC waveform on the input an an AC waveform on the output. In theory you should be able to point to your scope trace and say, "this part of the output waveform is where the free energy manifests itself. "Strangely enough" that is never done.

Asumptions: "In theory" "should be able" - Please give me a break - Get on the bench and do some work!

Quote from: MileHigh on January 26, 2015, 02:07:16 AM

Ultimately I would hope that this all can become a positive learning experience for you and for the others following the thread. Real Life in Real Time is going to show you the truth. Then you can go back to transformer theory in the books and see how they got it right.

MileHigh, have you learnt anything from our conversations? A Vector Potential, How Electrical Energy is Really Pumped to the Terminals of a Generator? Have YOU learned anything? I bet not! You have all the knowledge you need and can carry, you don't need anymore!

Have YOU learned anything?

Quote from: MileHigh on January 26, 2015, 02:07:16 AM

Seriously, there is a kind of philosophical angle to consider here. How do I fit into the big picture and does what I do stand out and break new ground or am I just going through the learning steps of life? Am I being too arrogant and prejudging where I fit into the overall scheme of things? Where am I without understanding the fabric of learning that already supports me in my quest?

The philosophical angle you talk of, is to make all this go away! Isnt it MileHigh!

Look, the Light that provides Light, just behind you, Light, from Electrical Energy, that comes from an "Electrical Generator" many miles away - Has been around for many decades! How can you be in denial of all these simple well known concepts that you and most others don't even know how it really works!

Maybe its not about being "philosophical" maybe its about "Simplicity" and not over complicating simple already well known fundamentals in science!

Kind Regards

Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
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tinman · « **Reply #292 on:** January 26, 2015, 02:38:12 AM »

Quote from: Pirate88179 on January 26, 2015, 01:48:22 AM

Ah, the old "Paid Shill" ploy is being used. This happens when someone has no leg left to stand on. Typical and, predictable.

The only muddying of the waters going on here is this entire thread. Of course you would ask anyone that knows better to leave and stop posting as it would detract from your fantasy pseudo-science explanations that some here are actually believing.

I have been asked to leave nicer places than this. But, usually when that happens, it is being asked by someone that actually knows what he/she is talking about.

Bill

PS Please post to us where TK has ever "lied" as you have claimed. I have been on this forum for many, many years and I can not seem to recall where TK has ever "lied" about anything. You said he has done this 2 times so, this should be easy for you to at least post one of his "lies".

I remember back in the days of UFOpolotic's newly discovered electric motor rewind pattern on energetic forum. He gave the big shout of OU galor,and hundreds came running lol. The first OU event with his newly wound electric motor was in the form of running light bulb's

Then came the prony brake test to check HP/watts out to watts in. Well there again he showed a 132% efficiency--OU for sure was the cry. People were rushing out all over the place to buy these motor kit's,and i just couldnt stand back and watch any longer. So off i went and spent $150.00 odd on digital scales and parts to build a prony brake setup.I took a standard 24 volt DC PM motor,and ran the prony brake test that UFOpolotics ran-->and what do you know,my motor was also 140 odd % efficient

. The down side ofcourse was that UFOpolotics carried out the prony brake test incorrectly-he added the deflection force insted of subtracting it from the total of the two scales.

So guess what that got me-->yep,not only was i kicked out of the thread,Arron the rookie kicked me out of the forum lol. Im guessing he seen his dollar signs starting to disappear from the new book sales-->the secrets of alien wound motors

EMJunkie · « **Reply #293 on:** January 26, 2015, 02:41:06 AM »

Quote from: synchro1 on January 26, 2015, 02:16:21 AM

TinselKoala should shoot for a part time job in recycling.

Hey Synchro1,

Seems there are some that already have a Job here! Helping or hindering others, currently I would tend to view it as the later!

Kind Regards

Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
To Reach New Horizons!

Pirate88179 · « **Reply #294 on:** January 26, 2015, 02:44:12 AM »

Quote from: EMJunkie on January 26, 2015, 02:41:06 AM

Hey Synchro1,

Seems there are some that already have a Job here! Helping or hindering others, currently I would tend to view it as the later!

Kind Regards

Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
To Reach New Horizons!

Once again, the "Paid Shill" ploy rears its ugly head. What does this tell us?

Bill

PS Personally, I do not think that Chris actually believes this, the man is not stupid, quite intelligent actually....it is just a ploy used when you have no real comeback.

Cap-Z-ro · « **Reply #295 on:** January 26, 2015, 02:47:11 AM »

The pattern is to hound people with non conventional ideas until they reach the point of frustration until they vanish.

Why else would the persist with this after being politely asked to but out...added to that the fact that NOT ONE MEMBER desires their input...outside the forum's clueless resident wannabe of course.

Regards...

EMJunkie · « **Reply #296 on:** January 26, 2015, 02:54:56 AM »

Quote from: tinman on January 26, 2015, 02:38:12 AM

I remember back in the days of UFOpolotic's newly discovered electric motor rewind pattern on energetic forum. He gave the big shout of OU galor,and hundreds came running lol. The first OU event with his newly wound electric motor was in the form of running light bulb's
Then came the prony brake test to check HP/watts out to watts in. Well there again he showed a 132% efficiency--OU for sure was the cry. People were rushing out all over the place to buy these motor kit's,and i just couldnt stand back and watch any longer. So off i went and spent $150.00 odd on digital scales and parts to build a prony brake setup.I took a standard 24 volt DC PM motor,and ran the prony brake test that UFOpolotics ran-->and what do you know,my motor was also 140 odd % efficient . The down side ofcourse was that UFOpolotics carried out the prony brake test incorrectly-he added the deflection force insted of subtracting it from the total of the two scales.

So guess what that got me-->yep,not only was i kicked out of the thread,Arron the rookie kicked me out of the forum lol. Im guessing he seen his dollar signs starting to disappear from the new book sales-->the secrets of alien wound motors

Hey Tinman,

Yes, I remember! RomeroUK, UFOPolitics and so many more! UFOPolitics and his CFL's...

Look, I did Post in some of the UFOPol... stuff. I regret what I posted to be honest! I look back on this now and see that I very well might have been wrong!

I think there is a percentage of stuff that comes out and its real, valid, it does work - The problem is, many do not understand How, Why and where to start pointing others interested in also replicating.

Energy is Matter! E = MC^2

Magnetic Fields and Electric Fields interact with Matter!

I have already explained so much on this thread, to be honest I have spent WAY too much time on this and its time I just don't have!

I have said it before and provided the reading material - "The Sea of Energy in which the Earth Floats"

Kind Regards

Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
To Reach New Horizons!

EMJunkie · « **Reply #297 on:** January 26, 2015, 02:58:47 AM »

Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on January 26, 2015, 02:47:11 AM

The pattern is to hound people with non conventional ideas until they reach the point of frustration until they vanish.

Why else would the persist with this after being politely asked to but out...added to that the fact that NOT ONE MEMBER desires their input...outside the forum's clueless resident wannabe of course.

Regards...

Hahaha Cap-Z-ro you're exactly Right!

People seek answers, they are right there! 20 Pages of answers, but do they want to use and learn them?

No, a Silver Platter, with a work order is what they want! Only a few willing to actually do the work!

Too lazy to do it for themselves, at the first sign of failure, they give up!

It must be learned, not demanded!

Kind Regards

Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
To Reach New Horizons!

EMJunkie · « **Reply #298 on:** January 26, 2015, 03:05:18 AM »

Quote from: tinman on January 26, 2015, 02:38:12 AM

I remember back in the days of UFOpolotic's newly discovered electric motor rewind pattern on energetic forum. He gave the big shout of OU galor,and hundreds came running lol. The first OU event with his newly wound electric motor was in the form of running light bulb's
Then came the prony brake test to check HP/watts out to watts in. Well there again he showed a 132% efficiency--OU for sure was the cry. People were rushing out all over the place to buy these motor kit's,and i just couldnt stand back and watch any longer. So off i went and spent $150.00 odd on digital scales and parts to build a prony brake setup.I took a standard 24 volt DC PM motor,and ran the prony brake test that UFOpolotics ran-->and what do you know,my motor was also 140 odd % efficient . The down side ofcourse was that UFOpolotics carried out the prony brake test incorrectly-he added the deflection force insted of subtracting it from the total of the two scales.

So guess what that got me-->yep,not only was i kicked out of the thread,Arron the rookie kicked me out of the forum lol. Im guessing he seen his dollar signs starting to disappear from the new book sales-->the secrets of alien wound motors

P.S: Tinman, youre right on the Magnets: see attached Doc.

How can this possibly be debated! Its Visual PROOF!!! It clearly fits all the NEW Accepted Model of the solar System and everything!

Kind Regards

Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
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TinselKoala · « **Reply #299 on:** January 26, 2015, 03:21:43 AM »

Quote from: EMJunkie on January 26, 2015, 02:01:20 AM

Bill,

Both are Lies!

1: I never said anything about the Input being in Phase - TK Lie!
2: I tried to provide some information but Ignorance and Arrogance got in the way! I ended the exchange - TK Lie!

Bill - Please leave the thread! I can sense you're not a bad bloke, just looking for something you're not sure of.

Kind Regards

Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
To Reach New Horizons!

Don't forget that I have those scopeshots, and your statement that the signals are IN PHASE, when they clearly are 180 degrees out of phase. Would you like me to post the shots and the correspondence? I do not fear your threats. I honor my word to you but if you are going to call me a liar, then I consider all my commitments to you null and void.

I see on reviewing the messages that you might have been talking about some other signals that you have not shown when you say "in phase". But it is clear in our correspondence that the signals that you DID show are 180 degrees out of phase, which I noted at the time, told you about, and you did not trouble yourself to address that point at the time.

You ended the exchange, rather than addressing my valid points, after I pointed out the deficiencies in what you were telling me. This is the equivalent of stomping your feet and holding your breath until you turn blue: (There are some continuity issues in the text in the image below due to the improper use of the quote function by EMJunkie, leaving out HIS quotes to which I am responding.)

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